Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

i just wonder if it's keeping me from making progress?

I don't think so, the concern is very likely the predator's mind resisting, which will weaken with regular practice if you don't give it undue importance.

The Cs have said that real progress is being made even though we may not be aware of it.
 
No hurry, Bo :)

abstract said:
POTS is way easier now too, i have it memorized, but i think i'm having trouble with it still, i must confess, when i was younger (and still christian) my mother would make me pray and i thought it was really stupid to pray because to me, nothing ever happened, even if i prayed about something for days (but children are not very patient, eh?) so maybe i'm still sub-consciously telling myself how stupid it is to pray...not that it has no effect. i just think i have a negative image of prayer still stuck in my head somewhere.

Maybe your thoughts/feelings about ''prayer being stupid'' is more directed to your mom, because she made you do it?
Could be wrong.

abstract said:
MC, I am aware of what the statement and principles says about meditation, i can't argue with that. i just wonder if it's keeping me from making progress? that was the only concern tied to the POTS.

I agree with MC.
About you having trouble with it: I think it depends on your thoughts that you have now about prayers. Perhaps there is no need to expect something from it, like you used to. Or maybe you can expect something, but that expectation doesn't have to necessarily be ''true''. Like you just keep all the options open and whatever comes, will come.
Or you can just see it as seed for meditation, instead of a prayer.

fwiw
 
R4D4 said:
Not only do i use headphones but i do the whole programs lying down. I have a scoliosis of the spine that makes it hard for me to do the whole program while sitting down. I tried it and it makes me too uncomfortable, so i prefer to do it laying down. I don't know if it's allright to do it this way but i seem to get the same sensations as the others like zoning out sometimes, feelings of tingling... etc.

From what I have read from Laura's posts, it doesn't matter what position we are in, only that we are comfortable.

I have to do the pipe breathing standing up, do the warrior's breath and part of the baha sitting in a chair with my legs crossed yoga-style, then sit with my feet on a chest in front of me during the rest of the baha. Then, for the meditation/prayer, I lie down. I have to move into different positions because I cannot sit/stand/lay in any one postition because of pain. So the main thing, I think, is to just be able to do it and to be comfortable so that we can concentrate on what we are doing with as little distraction as possible.

R4D4 said:
Last week i had a feeling of pressure on the forehead and it was not during the program, but at work while working. the only time i have felt this was the first time i did the EE program. Has anyone felt this yet? it's like a pulsating pressure that lasts 3-4 sec at different times.

The first few times I did the whole program, I had a very heavy feeling, like someone poking their finger in the "third eye" position of my forehead. I even had to stop what I was doing at one point and touch that spot wondering if something physical was there, it was such a heavy feeling. But it has now subsided.

We all are feeling and receiving exactly what each of us needs at any given time that we are doing the breathing/meditation program. And some effect are felt in between the times we do these things. So don't worry, you aren't alone in this. :)

R4D4 said:
Last thursday, i came home from work with a pounding headache because they used chemichals to clean the place. I was not really in the mood to do the EE but i told myself i would do only the pipe breathing and the pots because i didn't want to put pressure especially with the warriors breath with my headache. As i started, i found it difficult but i managed to do the pipe B, then i convinced myself and decided to do the warriors B anyway. It went well actually. During the ba-ha i found it long and hard as my headache was stilll there but i held on. It was during the pots that, after i had zoned out a couple of times, i realized that my headache was completely gone. I don't know about you but it works in mysterious way and maybe it is not only for the emotionnal cleansing.

I have to agree with you. I think that there is a lot more going on in many different ways. And since the pipe breathing is relaxing and so is the meditation, by the end of the pots, everything may have just worked the tension and cleared away the toxins enough so that your headache just floated away.

This is an amazing thing, or so I think.
 
abstract, I would suggest just keeping at it, trying to have no anticipation of what the results will be. It'll work out. :)
 
Hi guys,

The EE guide/faq is ready and posted, you can view it here;

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=14410.msg112031#msg112031

2 or 3 questions are missing , I will add them tommorrow, enjoy reading.

And now I am of to sleep :thup:
 
Totally Awesome Bo!! :thup: I've been meaning to go back and check on a few things and this will make it much easier! Thanks again!!
 
abstract said:
MC, I am aware of what the statement and principles says about meditation, i can't argue with that. i just wonder if it's keeping me from making progress? that was the only concern tied to the POTS.

Abstract, when you plant a seed you don't dig it up every few days to see how it's growing. Meditation is the same, it is a process of growth that will take whatever time is necessary for you in your particular circumstance. Just because you don't feel any results doesn't mean that growth is not taking place in ways you can't perceive. Have faith my brother!
 
R4D4 said:
Last week i had a feeling of pressure on the forehead and it was not during the program, but at work while working. the only time i have felt this was the first time i did the EE program. Has anyone felt this yet? it's like a pulsating pressure that lasts 3-4 sec at different times.
R4D4,
It's normal to feel that in meditation, and, once it's awakened, at other times when you are inwardly focused. In the glossary entry for Chakra http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=5&lsel= it says the 6th, third eye chakra represents a combination of higher emotional and higher intellectual centers. If you search the forum you'll find several discussions about the third eye (and it's relation to pineal gland). For me it's the focal point of bliss that I feel in meditation, which seems to flow from the heart chakra up to the third eye. Sometimes I experience this during normal activity, suddenly I'm "in the spirit" for no apparent reason at all. On the other hand, I've been experiencing this for 45 years and haven't achieved any great enlightenment so far :( , so I wouldn't assign too much importance to it, or any other sensation experienced in meditation. I suppose when we get "there" we'll know what all of these things really meant.
 
Abstract, when you plant a seed you don't dig it up every few days to see how it's growing. Meditation is the same, it is a process of growth that will take whatever time is necessary for you in your particular circumstance. Just because you don't feel any results doesn't mean that growth is not taking place in ways you can't perceive. Have faith my brother!

oh, im having results, alright. it was just a minor concern, i'm not freaking out :scared: about it or anything. :D

sorry if my faith is a bit small, i've had to smash all the religious programming out of my brain, you see. granted, that was no trip to the land of sunshine and lollipops, y'know? for a short time i was a genuine atheist, and i told myself if i was gonna believe anything spiritual at all, it needed to be rational and logical. so it took a while even to begin to understand what a soul was, because in my mind, a soul was nonsense. but knowledge is pretty addictive i think, the more you get, the more you want, so that is what brings me here, if i haven't mentioned before somewhere.

btw, good job on the EE FAQ. that really clears everything up for us! :lol:
 
abstract said:
sorry if my faith is a bit small, i've had to smash all the religious programming out of my brain, you see. granted, that was no trip to the land of sunshine and lollipops, y'know? for a short time i was a genuine atheist, and i told myself if i was gonna believe anything spiritual at all, it needed to be rational and logical.

Although one can be as identified with Atheism just as much as any religion, I think that if you come from a religious background that Atheism can temporarily provide a kind of 'reset'. I also come from a religious background, and a similar thing happened with me -- I realized that Christianity wasn't going to work for me anymore, and for awhile I didn't trust any religion or spiritual program, and considered myself at best an Agnostic. I think that period of detachment allows us a chance to really deconstruct (both mentally and emotionally) what we have been raised with, so that we can start building our own belief set from the ground up once we have recovered from the trauma of letting go of the former.

MC said:
Excellent work Bo. :thup: Many thanks.

Yes -- I just took a look at what you put up Bo, and I think its going to be a really valuable reference (105 pages and climbing is pretty daunting!). Thanks for your hard work on this!
 
Just a few things

1) I've been feeling an increase of energy during the meditation. Yesterday I felt like I was getting a massage(of energy), around my eyes, face and spine.

2) My dreams have started to repeat. So I go through a scenario and make a mistake. The dream then repeats and I have the opportunity to talk to someone about what went wrong.

For example:
I am in a house and someone is with me who messes the place up. I get chastised for not keeping the house in order.
Dream repeats.
There is a knock at the door. It is A, he hasn't been invited but wants to come in (I have to fight my program of wanting to people please). Last time I let him in and he caused all the problems. I say to one of the hosts/guides “I don't think I should let him in this time.” He says “I think that would be a good idea."

3) This morning I see someone in my dream and realize that I know him. I see so much love in his eyes. I say to him "I know you." He replies "Yes, I am the gym instructor(from earlier in my dream)."
I say "No, I know you from before I was born." He hugs me... :cry:

I remember!!!
 
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