Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Great program! Definately worth a donation!
I just have an issue with sitting and doing the 3 stage breathing. My back and arms feel sore from sitting in those positions for that length of time. I work a physical job and don't get sore there so I don't think it's a strength issue. Maybe my posture in the lotus position is bad?

Would it be better for one to do it laying on their back if they feel soreness? Or is this soreness sort of discipline for the body that I need to work up to?
 
I know that the bio-energetic breathing segment seems long, but it is intended that way. If you just push through and stay with it as best you can, you will see amazing results after a few sessions. It will get even better when the process is memorized both in your moving center and your mind. At that point, your body will take over the breathing, the mind will take over concentrating on the meaning of the words, and that will allow the heart to open and release its burden of pain, grief, karma, and so on. When that happens, believe me, you will know it! It may not even happen during the exercise/meditation- it may happen hours later, or days later. But when the lower emotional center connects with the higher emotional center, you will be amazed...

Each of you will need to figure out your own frequency. At first, you may want to do the Beatha/meditation every day for a week or so. Then, every couple of days, or just when you are particularly stressed. Maybe after awhile, only once a week. But you will certainly want to try to do the Pipe breathing as often as you need to, at least once a day, to keep that Vagus Nerve in good working order!

And, since the new session is transcribed... I guess I'll publish it and there you will see that there is still more. But do NOT get impatient! You have work to do already with this breathing and meditation. That is just preparation, but it needs to be done! You'll see why when you read the new transcript.
 
Divide By Zero said:
I just have an issue with sitting and doing the 3 stage breathing. My back and arms feel sore from sitting in those positions for that length of time. I work a physical job and don't get sore there so I don't think it's a strength issue. Maybe my posture in the lotus position is bad?

Would it be better for one to do it laying on their back if they feel soreness? Or is this soreness sort of discipline for the body that I need to work up to?
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I already mentioned earlier in the thread - and on the video - that you are supposed to be comfortable. If you feel better doing it sitting in your recliner, go for it!
 
Thanks a lot, these breathing exercises are both relaxing, powerful and shooting up awareness!

That 'Warrior's Breath' is really an eye opener, it's really spark that ignites the whole system!

Still waiting for this weekend to do the complete set. In the meanwhile practicing the pipe breathing with the Seed before going to bed had some effect. Sometimes it's like sleeping as a rock and sometimes it's like staying awake during all the night, but feeling energized at the morning wake altogether.

Last night I did bit and pieces of the video exercises while sitting on my chair, it was such an hot night here! While in bed some unexpected emotional stuff kept surfacing for less than an hour or so and it was mostly anger, that I may have suppressed after a period of inactivity, likely a mild depression, hopefully ;)

Actually the best exercise, call it a personal one, is to keep repeating mentally the Seed after a session of pipe breathing, and slowing it down, like trying to get the 'juice' or deep meaning out of every single phrase or word. Very, very deep, relaxing and energizing, all into one.

Me too had a sort of programmed aversion to words like 'holy' and 'bread' due to years and years of chanting the 'Pater Noster' (and maybe also for dietary reasons :D). Putting the words in a different context and focusing on the meaning really changed it ALL.
 
This is truly Amazing Grace Laura. Thank you so much for this.

Yesterday, I hadn't gotten much sleep the night before so when I came home and read that the next portions were uploaded I was eager to try it, but thought I might fall asleep during the meditation portion cause I was so tired. So I took a 'nap' from 8:00pm-4am and practiced the breathing and meditation. I got a bit light headed during the warriors breath and had some interesting body reactions during the batha portion. I don't know if my body temp dropped cause I got pretty chilled but also sweaty. Even though it wasn't the pipe breathing I had to lay down about two-thirds of the way through cause the sensations only intensified. The meditation was particularly deep and I felt the yearning for you to keep talking at the end :) I wanted to get a little more sleep afterwards and was able to get into bed after about a half hour or more of resting. I woke up for work completely refreshed at 8am and the feeling I had was one of great thankfulness and well being. The song 'amazing grace' popped into my head so I looked it up on youtube. It triggered a pretty intense crying period that lasted about a half hour, and could have been longer but I had to get to work. Again, thank you so much.

Here's Leann Rines singing Amazing Grace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT88jBAoVIM
 
Thank you all for the great info! :)
I am wondering if anyone can recommend anything for my situation. I have a neurological condition called Chiari Malformation where my cerebellum is herniated down through the foramen magnum of my skull and compresses my brain stem causes various problems. One serious problem is difficulty breathing. At this point I am having trouble doing the pipe breathing. I can do it a little bit but after a very short time I am unable to take any type of deep breath in and my breathing becomes very weak for a while afterwards. I am doing various things for my health right now but at this point I cannot do much of the breathing exercises. Is the pipe breathing necessary to do the other parts of the program such as the warrior's breath and the beatha breathing part? I tried the warrior's breath part a little bit and it seemed like it was okay for me and the beatha part should be fine also.
Does anyone else have difficulty breathing? What can be done for these individuals?
 
Namaste said:
However during the rapid breathing of the Ba Ha, my hands began to tickle and my lips too. And more i was breathing that way, more my hands were tickling and they were becoming numb. I had to stop it for a moment and return to a normal breathing just the time my hands stop tickling. That feeling happened a couple of times during the Ba Ha.
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I have had similar sensations in the lips, hands and the entire center part of the upper body during the very fast breathing cycle as shown by the AoL people. Laura's method does not use the hyper-fast breathing cycle but I think the effects could be similar while using the faster breath cycle. Laura mentions these common side-effects of hyper-ventilation here:
From Bo's transcript
Hyperventilation type breathing tends to cause three allegedly harmless but definitely alarming side effects. Para-seizure, tetanus and tremors. Advocates of this particular system that include the hyperventilation phase and the round breathing, say these this experiences are harmless and they go away with practice. Para-seizures means altered sensation, usually in the form of tingling that starts around the mouth, the finger tips and then the toes. It advances and spreads throughout the body and as it advances it's usually accompanied by something that is very similar to tetanus, that is a sustained but mild contraction of muscles. The hands and feet can tend to turn into claws and supposedly your lips will feel like you've just had a shot of novacaine at the dentist. They say that it wears off quickly once you stop breathing and this is true. I've experienced it and then they say that tremors maybe experienced in one part of the body or the other and this will also past rapidly.
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I stuck through the breathing rhythm and the sensations mostly went away with practice, sometimes coming back with much lower intensity when I practiced the AoL method. I did not get these sensations when I practiced Laura's method.
fwiw
 
Whew, the addition to the breathing program was very intense! I felt wiped afterward, but in a good way- able to go to bed right away and nice and relaxed. The weirdest thing for me is that once the POTS meditation part started I started to feel this calm sense of hope, and love- love for the C's, Laura, SOTT team and forum members, and friends in my life (and my kitty!). I can be an emotional person at times but this feeling was quite different from the usual for me, it felt like it sort of took over. I guess I've been feeling pessimistic for so long about my life and the world in general, this was totally unexpected for me. I had this sense of awe, feeling very lucky to somehow, in some way, be a part of this. Then this morning I woke up with a sore throat and sinus pressure and some congestion in the nose. Also some detoxing in the bathroom... :/ I feel as though this breathing jumpstarted something, helped me release some negativity.

Also, I went to my massage therapist today...we did a Thai yoga session where the practitioner puts you into asanas to get a deeper stretch. There's also some with various pressure points and meridians that are pressed/kneaded/etc. There were some parts that I felt quite painful during so I just started pretending like Laura was saying "Baaaaaa-haaah" in my head and breathing as best I could. It really seemed to help and this was the best session I had with her so far.

I just read the thread about 16 July session and had a similar feeling of hope...looking forward to incorporating this practice regularly!!! I echo Seek10's observation in the July 16 thread about how all these things seem to be merging together...I'm going to the massage therapist to work on my back and chest so I can breathe more fully, which I need for my job as a musician who incidentally often plays music of the Balkans. The diet stuff, which I really got intensely into once I found out about 2 years ago my mom has celiacs's, has been echoing my interest in diets/nutrition/natural medicine which I've had for some time now, I'm sure many others have similar examples. Anyway, thanks everyone!
 
My wife and I did the whole meditation and breathing exercises yesterday.

It was really great.
I really like to do the warrior's breath, gave me plenty of hot shivers and I felt energized by it.
The bio-energetic part was the hardest to do, with the sudden changes and the length but I'll get used to it, I hope :).
I also get a very strong tingling in my face and hands, especially during the bio-energetic exercise.

The final meditation was super relaxing, although I don't know if it's "normal" to zone out like I do during it, I find myself snapped back from wherever I went because I suddenly realize I lost a few sentences, maybe I am "escaping", anyone does that as well ?

I also see alot images unrelated to me with weird situations during meditation but I directly forget what I saw or thought most of the time.

I slept like a baby.
I had a much symbolic dream (which I haven't deciphered completely), where I was waiting for my mother to arrive by car on a street.
While she parked I went into a shop which morphed into a house, then I my mother came in, she had lost a lot of weight and had her hair done, she looked younger but her face looked like how she really looks in real life, older and the sides of her mouth pushing downwards. I immediatly thought that although she changed her look, she was still the same bitter and sad person she always was.
She asks me how I felt, then I remembered that I had recently been shot by gun in the chest, a few inches from the heart and the operation only left a little red scar.

I had a pain in the chest a few years back at the same spot that in my dream that would not go away but then disappeared, and yesterday it hurt again a brief moment during the pipe breathing so I suppose that a past trauma (in this life ?) has to be cleansed there.

Many many thanks for these exercises !!
 
As my husband told you before me, we did the program yesterday. I used to be asthmatic and the I really struggled with the bioenergetic part of the program. I kept with it though and at times thought my heart was going to explode. It felt as if I was jogging, trying to keep up with an athlete.
One thing that struck me was how the air that is breathed in felt so fresh and cleansing. My body was tingling all over.

I do have a question: at the end, during the prayer part, I have trouble breathing in sync with the prayer as suggested, because it feels too quick, it makes me uncomfortable. After the bioenergetic part I crave long, peaceful breaths and so cannot follow. Is it OK or am I missing something important?

Thank you for this program!
 
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
I do have a question: at the end, during the prayer part, I have trouble breathing in sync with the prayer as suggested, because it feels too quick, it makes me uncomfortable. After the bioenergetic part I crave long, peaceful breaths and so cannot follow. Is it OK or am I missing something important?

Thank you for this program!
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Yes, that's the problem when one is trying to set a pace for others while not able to follow it themselves!

As far as the bioenergetic breathing goes, that's supposed to take you out of your comfort zone, BUT, the prayer/meditation can easily be done without paying attention to me at all except as a "background voice." You can pace your repetitions as you like and feel comfortable. You can also turn the audio off and continue that part completely on your own.

When I am in deep meditation, I hardly breath at all, so I know what you mean.
 
Yesterday morning, not having enough time before leaving for work to do the whole program, I listened to some parts of the breathing and beatha portions, and then all of the Prayer of the Soul portion. I naturally fell into a deeply relaxed state just listening to Laura reciting the prayer, and when she said, at the end, 'Divine Cosmic Mind bless you all', I felt an extraordinary love in Laura's voice that pierced a wall that has been around my heart for a long long time. This provoked a flood of tears which has continued on and off since then.
 
Mada said:
'Divine Cosmic Mind bless you all'
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O is that what Laura says! I heard it as 'Divine Cosmic Mind Loves you all' :)

What a Present to receive, thank you Laura et al.

I've a technical question that may answer itself with practice, but just in case...

I find when I breathe in during the first part of pipe breathing that I can inhale only a limited amount before my belly is 'full'. To hold that small amount of air, my abdomen muscles are tensed. Then I'm struggling to exhale for the whole count of nine - to reach it, I have to contract my abdomen muscles 'inwards'. Now, for parts 2 and 3 of the pipe-breathing (where your hands are at chest level, then behind the neck/shoulders), I see that you continue past 'filling the belly' to fill the top of the lungs, so I can achieve that without struggle. My question is: during the initial stage of pipe breathing, do I limit myself to inhaling what I can strictly with my diaphgram, or can I continue to inhale with some use of the chest after my belly is full and until I reach the count of six?
 
Kniall said:
My question is: during the initial stage of pipe breathing, do I limit myself to inhaling what I can strictly with my diaphgram, or can I continue to inhale with some use of the chest after my belly is full and until I reach the count of six?
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I would say yes, in order not to tense your muscles, because that would be counterproductive. It might be a good idea however to practice some diaphragm exercises, which can be found here:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12634.msg90749#msg90749

so that you are able to fill your belly in the six-count too. Strong diaphragm, better proper breathing! ;)
 
If you are like me and your hips and legs aren't use to the sitting stretches shown in the video (guys tend to have tight hips), you can purchase a yoga block for the sitting positions. You sit with the bony part of the buttocks on the edge of the block (or a position that is comfortable, I like the edge) and do the stretches the same way. Just gives more room to open up the hips. Two months ago I started doing yoga again once a week and using the block helps me be less tense in the positions and get more of a stretch. Over time you progress to not needing the block. Might take me years before my hips get to that point. :whlchair:

yoga block:
_http://www.amazon.com/SPRI-Foam-Yoga-Block-Purple/dp/B0007A5OX6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1247958947&sr=1-2

If you don't like the block, you can try using a yoga bolster:
_http://www.amazon.com/Hugger-Mugger-Standard-Choice-Bolster/dp/B000C9LZRQ/ref=acc_glance_sg_ai_-2_1_tit

I have both, but find I use the block almost all the time.
 
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