Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Infiniteness]

EE Update:

Well Ive been doing the meditation daily twice a day, with also some pipe breathing on the side. I also started doing the full program on Mondays and Thursdays, without the BA HA portion. I would say since I had those emotional releases about a month and half ago, Ive made some changes for the better. I no longer listen to the radio while driving, and I instead just do POTS or drive in silence. Basically Ive been trying to eliminate all the nonsense activities. Ive also cut ties with not so good friends, because I realized it was just a feeding frenzy on both sides. Another interesting thing that's been happening is that Ive been overcoming many of my phobias, stupid things like washing hands to much, fear of touching dirty things, and etc.

Probably the biggest and best change Ive made thus far is that I am all most on the Ultra Simple Diet (somehow I manged to pull it off! ). I just need to eliminate some of the GMO vegetables that I still eat and the mango juice that I drink in the morning. Ive seen a noticeable improvement in my health, I am finally starting to be able to think again and some of the other bizarre symptoms I had are going away too! Recently I bought Detoxify or Die and am almost done reading it, I have to say that its a marvelous book! I thought I was doing a service to my body my drinking bottled water, more like poisoning it. So I decided to buy me one of them water distillers.

Other things that have been happening is that Ive been having more ear ringings occur and just have been becoming more emotional in life. I think I was emotionally disconnected for much of my life and now am reconnecting with that part of myself. While I am doing the mediation part, Ive noticed that I have these feelings of pulsating waves of energy going around my body, thought I might mention that. Overall I have a greater feeling that I need to do more not only to help myself but the world too. One thing is for sure the changes did not come easy, the general law gave me a few visits . ;)

Last thing I wanted to share was a dream that I had about a week and half ago. In this dream I woke up and I felt like something was in my nose. So I sat up and I started digging my nose and black worms starting coming out. I freaked out but more and more kept coming out, I tried grabbing them. Last thing I remember was that I had a hand full of black worms and my bed was fulled with them. When I woke I up, I didn't think much of it. Though as the day went by a thought came to me that maybe the dream symbolized the cleansing that I am going through with the EE and diet. Though I could be wrong.

Though I have made some progress, there is still a long ways to go. So onwards into the stormy seas.

 

[D Rusak]

Just wanted to post an update since I haven't done so in a while. I have not really had any dramatic change good or bad for a good long while. I did have a period in the fall (Sep-Oct) however where I was unable to do the program for several weeks due to some sort of illness I had. My throat and tonsils swelled up really badly, the tonsils were actually touching. Between this, my swollen liver, and achy body, I was starting to have problems breathing, I couldn't even play my trumpet (my job) for a while, let alone do something intensive like EE or my other breathing workouts. Then finally everything started to go away, my system finally beat it. The doctor thought it was strep at first but I tested negative on both the quick and longer culture tests, as well as negative for mono (thank goodness! I had that before although honestly never had symptoms as bad as this when I had the mono). I was on antibiotics for a bit, which totally didn't help at all, and I think my system still is a bit messed up. They never did find out what I had, by the way. My lymph nodes were really swollen and even now I can feel them a little bit swollen under the skin (before I looked like Frankenstein). I was trying to do things right by taking Vitamin C, baking soda, Vit D, other supplements for immune systems, I realize now that I just was not aggressive enough in the treatment (should have been taking much more of each thing). So now I know.

The month I was recovering I was living transiently, doing a couple of short tours with a musical group and preparing to move cross-country. Once I was able to breathe a bit better I started working in EE. I can say that moving I was pretty calm and level-headed, not freaking out like I may have been in the past for much smaller ventures. This was moving 3,000 miles to a completely new area and changing my life drastically. So, obviously this was good. I guess the point though is to be able to deal with life's challenges more effectively, I'm guessing EE is a part of my ability to deal with what is a high stress situation.

I'm hoping to start some more intensive detoxing soon (milk thistle and DMSA protocols) so it will be interesting to note any changes. Again I "breathe" for a living, playing a wind instrument several hours a day, my body is perhaps used to moving air and that could be one of several reasons my experiences with EE have been subtle, albeit positive.

 

[RedFox]

Catching up with the thread!

Speaking of lights, a couple of weeks ago, I was asleep and was awoken by a light. There was no light on in the room when I opened my eyes. My perception of it was a faint small glow in front of my eyes and a little above me that grew slowly into a really bright glow that woke me up due to its over powering brightness - wide awake. I was going through a bit of a difficult time emotionally during the preceding days, so I'm not sure if that was related. It was interesting, though, on the 'light topic'. During POTS, I will occasionally see lights, faces, scenes and, rarely, just zone out with no memory, though that's not happened for a while.

I had this to, earlier this year I think. It was initially like the sun coming up in the morning, but it go brighter and brighter and I wondered if someone had turned my room light on...slowly waking up as it got brighter, with some annoyance I opened my eyes to a dark room...and a sort of glow fading from my vision.

I've occasionally seen light, not many faces, but random scenes...and I rarely zone out any more.
These last few months I've mostly just been doing the pipe breathing/POTS before bed. Am going to try and get into the habit of doing the full program again after Christmas.
I've been doing the pipe breathing and POTS by myself, but last night I listened to the audio of Laura reciting the POTS, sometime around midnight. About half way through it felt like I was about to zone out and I had a scene of a dark landscape appear, a road with silhouetted tree's either side....blocking my view of the end of the road was some sort of mesh......and then from behind the mesh came lights, like a car in the distance. It may have been one light, but because of the mesh it appeared to be many....they looked like halogen car headlights (bright white, blue white, yellow white etc).
Nothing out of the ordinary, except for the lights got brighter and brighter and brighter (it also felt like they where moving towards me, and I had started moving towards them) until it hurt my eyes(?) to look at them and I jolted awake from the meditation. The image was really crisp and clear and the lights where dazzling.....I've never had an image in my head that was so bright it hurt before!
The hurt wasn't bad....but they where intense....like having a stadium flood light turned on in your face after your eyes being used to the dark.

 

[SolarMother]

I too have experienced bright, white and blinding light both inside of me and outside of me--words cannot express!
3 different times in the past, in my life. I wonder if it is the soul's light? With EE, there has been an intimation of that light, but not blinding.

Also with EE I have experienced the lifting of a terrible chest constriction that happens frequently at night and wakes me up--as if an elephant is sitting on my chest. Nothing else but POTS/meditaion and pipe breathing causes that to dissipate.
I don't know what it is. Does anyone else experience this chest crushing?
I am now doing the entire program on Mondays and Thursdays, and the pipe breathing that I carry into the POTS/med several nights a week--often for insomnia.

 

[jordifs]

Thank you very much for your comments.

I was thinking on collecting my insights and move this conversation to another board/topic.
Nonetheless I reply briefly.

* I can even stay several days without the need to defecate. Always depending on what I eat. If i eat just a single 'bad thing', the same day it is 'out of my body'.

Sounds like you've experienced some good changes, jordifs! This above stood out, though. As far as I know, you should be having 1-2 bowel movements a day. Some of the health experts may be able to chime in, but this may be something to look in to.

Once these events happened I was thinking if it was a good sign. I believe reducing the amount food
and choosing the right one is key. And if the food is very good (nutritionally), then there must be 'few things to throw out of the body'. On a conversation with a friend, with some knowledge about the subject, told me that may be good to defecate just once per week (on a perfect case scenario I assumed). Also shared comments about the smell of the -shite-, and the colour of liquid you piss. It was interesting because the explanation match my thoughts that: after a year I am on the right path. For sometime I pissed almost totally transparent liquid, like water.

I agree with you that bowel movement is required, and cleaning all the toxic stuff there. I read about coffee enema, and sure it looks like being very good sometimes. Nonetheless is not good everyday. This is a sample to indicate that after a year forcing the cleaning must not be an everyday action (note this is what I believe).

Hi Jordifs[,

AI is right. Your system should be clearing itself every day. How much magnesium are you getting? Magnesium citrate cna be very "encouraging" to the elimination system. If you check the Diet and Health section, you'll find some threads on it. Other than that, it sounds like the changes you've made have been enormously positive for you.

Good stuff!

On year 2009 I was taking magnesium. Yes it cleared my bowels, everyday. So I lowered the dossage. Nonetheless I switched this year 2010 to remove supplements, and to consume magnesium everyday in a raw form within the diet (food configuration). I researched and discovered the products: almond, spinach. So I included in my diet: raw almonds within a dish every day, raw almond puree (to cover a thin toast made of rice+quinoa), spinach (every day I can, slightly boiled 2-3 minutes). I also do have raw almond in a form to merge into a water glass (to make almond milk).

I will nonetheless take again the supplements on 2011, to ensure the whole effort is optimised. At least before the laws similar to Codex Alimentarius strikes on 1th April in Europe.

Yours,
Jordi

 

[Gawan]

On year 2009 I was taking magnesium. Yes it cleared my bowels, everyday. So I lowered the dossage. Nonetheless I switched this year 2010 to remove supplements, and to consume magnesium everyday in a raw form within the diet (food configuration). I researched and discovered the products: almond, spinach. So I included in my diet: raw almonds within a dish every day, raw almond puree (to cover a thin toast made of rice+quinoa), spinach (every day I can, slightly boiled 2-3 minutes). I also do have raw almond in a form to merge into a water glass (to make almond milk).

You can also easily produce your own magnesium oil, ordering magnesium chloride hexahydrate (it should be chemically clean) and mix it with distilled water, for transdermal usage. It is really cheap compared to magnesium supplements. But check out the magnesium topic, there it should be stated more exactly.

And Rice contains unfortunately also gluten.

I will nonetheless take again the supplements on 2011, to ensure the whole effort is optimised. At least before the laws similar to Codex Alimentarius strikes on 1th April in Europe.

What is this law about?

I had this to, earlier this year I think. It was initially like the sun coming up in the morning, but it go brighter and brighter and I wondered if someone had turned my room light on...slowly waking up as it got brighter, with some annoyance I opened my eyes to a dark room...and a sort of glow fading from my vision.

After the light has been mentioned here, I saw on Monday at the very end of the session like two flashes with closed eyes. It was really bright but didn't bother me too much, because I have been too tired.

 

[Aiming]

What is this law about?

It's basically about making traditional medicine and supplements illegal in Europe from the 1st of Aril, 2011. See here for one example:_http://mariamuir.com/2010/11/12/codex-alimentarius-traditional-medicines-to-become-illegal-in-europe-2011/

 

[Gawan]

What is this law about?

It's basically about making traditional medicine and supplements illegal in Europe from the 1st of Aril, 2011. See here for one example:_http://mariamuir.com/2010/11/12/codex-alimentarius-traditional-medicines-to-become-illegal-in-europe-2011/

Okay thank you, I suspected that one, but have been not sure.

 

[Seamus]

I had a productive session last night. Started with pipe breathing, then yoga/stretching, then three stage breathing and warriors breath, round breathing and finally POTS. I ran through the whole program one after another, it took about an hour and a half start to finish. I spent about half of an hour stretching because it felt so good. I practiced the pipe breathing, three stage breathing and round breathing all laying down. I noticed that my body was pretty relaxed by the end of three stage breathing, then I sat up for warrior's breath and when I laid back down for round breathing my chest and arms felt tight all over again, but this could partly be because I was more aware of the sensations in my body. I experienced "cold nostrils" at the beginning of round breathing and had some trouble breathing naturally. I felt uncomfortable and anxious throughout round breathing, even though my body was pretty relaxed. I have had a difficult week emotionally, feeling really depressed on Monday, so I think this discomfort may have been a result of repressed/denied emotions coming close to the surface. POTS further relaxed my body and my mind. By the end of the session my head felt clear, my body was relaxed and I didn't feel as anxious as I did at the start.

After the session I read for about a half an hour before turning out the light. I have been reading Drama of the Gifted Child for the last few days, and I was reading her description of Grandiosity/Depression and how it relates to denial of "forbidden" emotions and the hiding of the true self. I don't have the book in front of me, so i can't quote it right now, but there is a paragraph about how depression can be a signal that our repressed childhood emotions are close to the surface. I have read this in many different forms here on the forums and in the recommended reading, but for some reason the way Alice Miller phrased it really hit home with me last night. I turned off the light and tried to concentrate on my breathing and the sensations in my body and let come what may. Several different recent events came up and feelings/emotions that I tried to identify as disappointment and a kind of infantile rage. I tried to go about this in an encouraging way, like "what's this feeling? Are you angry? Disappointed? Upset? Hurt?", not a limiting "thats anger, thats disappointment" kind of way. Anyway it felt like waves of relief as different feelings bubbled up one after the other for the next few hours. This morning I feel rested, calmer and more "peaceful".

 

[jordifs]

Legolas,

Finally I found the article on SOTT:
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/215263-Big-Pharma-Scores-Big-Win-Medicinal-Herbs-Will-Disappear-in-EU

I knew of ongoing initiatives to start applying some laws on 2011.
This article points out full enforcement policy with date April 2011.

 

[shijing]

On year 2009 I was taking magnesium. Yes it cleared my bowels, everyday. So I lowered the dossage. Nonetheless I switched this year 2010 to remove supplements, and to consume magnesium everyday in a raw form within the diet (food configuration). I researched and discovered the products: almond, spinach. So I included in my diet: raw almonds within a dish every day, raw almond puree (to cover a thin toast made of rice+quinoa), spinach (every day I can, slightly boiled 2-3 minutes). I also do have raw almond in a form to merge into a water glass (to make almond milk).

jordifs, since you are eating almonds and spinach on a daily basis, you might want to take a look at the information on oxalates that Psyche reposted here.

 

[LQB]

On year 2009 I was taking magnesium. Yes it cleared my bowels, everyday. So I lowered the dossage. Nonetheless I switched this year 2010 to remove supplements, and to consume magnesium everyday in a raw form within the diet (food configuration). I researched and discovered the products: almond, spinach. So I included in my diet: raw almonds within a dish every day, raw almond puree (to cover a thin toast made of rice+quinoa), spinach (every day I can, slightly boiled 2-3 minutes). I also do have raw almond in a form to merge into a water glass (to make almond milk).

jordifs, since you are eating almonds and spinach on a daily basis, you might want to take a look at the information on oxalates that Psyche reposted here.

And you may want to re-examine the raw almonds as all raw nuts/seeds have powerful enzyme inhibitors that prevent germination outside a window of proper conditions for growth. This makes them hard on your own digestive enzymes during the digestion process. My experience with raw nuts has been digestive distress and constipation. If the nuts are roasted, much of the enzyme inhibitors are destroyed. You can also take raw nuts and soak them for 24 hrs (depending on the nut), then dry them in a dehydrator. FWIW

 

[nicklebleu]

I would like to post some progress notes, which I haven't done for a while ...

I have been really busy lately, working long, irregular hours, and night shifts in between, so all in all I am in a state of continued exhaustion. When I am off work there is a lot to catch up with in my daily life: admin, family life, things to do around the house etc., so I seem to be running around a lot for unproductive purposes. I have had to reduce my reading and participation here on the forum and in the translation group to catch enough sleep.

I have diligently been doing the EE program on Mondays and Thursdays, barely missing out, and have had a few (tentative?) releases a few months ago. But no major changes as far as I can tell. But unfortunately I tend to fall asleep a lot while doing the EE program, half way through listening to the POTS/meditation part. I have tried many ways of preventing that, the best seems to be to try to "self-remember" myself and to actively visualize the cleaning effect of Ba-Ha, like bright stuff flowing in on the in-breath and dark, muddy stuff flowing outwards on the out-breath. But more often then not I get overwhelmed by sleep anyway. I also seem to be "zoning out" more than I used to ... And as far as I have understood the EE program it is not very desirable to zone out. Contrary to the classical "meditation" where one tries to empty one's mind, the EE meditation uses the POTS as a seed, or like a light in the vast darkness - at least that is the way I figure it. But please correct me, if I am wrong.

I also try to do the pipe breathing/ meditation/ POTS every night before sleep. But same here - often as soon as I start doing the pipe breathing and relax I am off to sleep. I never get as far as the POTS. I try to do both the pipe breathing/ POTS and the EE program during the day, which is much easier. But more often than not this is impossible. Being tired makes doing the program really hard. I have tried to win over my wife to do the breathing program together with me, but so far she hasn't developed any interest in it.

I have incorporated the dietary changes as much as possible and I think I have been quite successful. I have quit gluten/ dairy/ coffee/ sugar/ alcohol and a few other things, which has had a positive impact on my health and on my weight. The most amazing changes have been that my (borderline) hypertension has completely gone (I now get dizzy, if I get up too fast), my reflux is totally gone and the pains I had in a few joints are gone too!

However I have had a lower back problem which I have tackled for over 6 months now and which is now much better, but not completely gone. It was actually quite interesting how I got better: I did regular exercises, proper diet and all the right things, but I was still constantly in pain. A few weeks ago I kind of asked the Universe: "I am really over this back pain. I have done all that I can, but that seems not to be enough. I need some help here!" A few days later I was cutting something very hard on a wooden board, when I slipped and the knife hit hard onto the board. This sudden slip gave me a terrible jolt into my lower back. But when I recovered from this sudden slip, it was as if something had unblocked in my back. Since then I am much. much better, even if not completely back to normal.

So all in all I am a bit frustrated with the way I am going with the EE, as I have the impression that I am emotionally "treading water". I haven't even remotely developed the quiet mind of the warrior unflinchingly facing the unknown yet. I often feel overwhelmed by all that is going on in our world and everything seems to go downhill all the time. Actually my family and friends have repeatedly told me that in the last few months I seemed frustrated, depressed and unhappy. Thankfully the last C session (12/12/10) was a good boost, as it has put some perspective back into my life.

I am not complaining, but I have run out of ideas as to how I could improve myself and how I can continue meaningfully on the path. I feel stuck in many ways, socially, geographically, professionally - I miss the boost that the EE used to give me. I am stuck in a strenuous routine and have lost the big picture.


Any comments/ideas greatly appreciated!

 

[Nienna]

Just a few things, nicklebleu. :)

I have been really busy lately, working long, irregular hours, and night shifts in between, so all in all I am in a state of continued exhaustion. When I am off work there is a lot to catch up with in my daily life: admin, family life, things to do around the house etc., so I seem to be running around a lot for unproductive purposes. I have had to reduce my reading and participation here on the forum and in the translation group to catch enough sleep.

Sleep is very important and I understand that sometimes we are forced to not get enough sleep because of what is going on in life. Later on this.

And as far as I have understood the EE program it is not very desirable to zone out. Contrary to the classical "meditation" where one tries to empty one's mind, the EE meditation uses the POTS as a seed, or like a light in the vast darkness - at least that is the way I figure it. But please correct me, if I am wrong.

Actually, Laura says that zoning out is something that is helpful as it is when our lower selves our connecting to our higher selves. We are learning things during this time from our higher selves. So this is a good thing.

I also try to do the pipe breathing/ meditation/ POTS every night before sleep. But same here - often as soon as I start doing the pipe breathing and relax I am off to sleep. I never get as far as the POTS. I try to do both the pipe breathing/ POTS and the EE program during the day, which is much easier. But more often than not this is impossible. Being tired makes doing the program really hard.

Don't worry about falling asleep during the POTS. You are still listening to it subconsciously. This is still helpful to you.

I have tried to win over my wife to do the breathing program together with me, but so far she hasn't developed any interest in it.

That's fine. When she is ready, she will do it. Do not push her, I think that that will only continue to push her away from it. And who knows, maybe she is not ready for this type of thing yet at all.

I have incorporated the dietary changes as much as possible and I think I have been quite successful. I have quit gluten/ dairy/ coffee/ sugar/ alcohol and a few other things, which has had a positive impact on my health and on my weight. The most amazing changes have been that my (borderline) hypertension has completely gone (I now get dizzy, if I get up too fast), my reflux is totally gone and the pains I had in a few joints are gone too!

That's terrific! It's amazing how much inflammation and pain these evil foods cause us. Maybe you are now ready for the detox diet and learning what other foods are causing you inflammation?

However I have had a lower back problem which I have tackled for over 6 months now and which is now much better, but not completely gone. It was actually quite interesting how I got better: I did regular exercises, proper diet and all the right things, but I was still constantly in pain. A few weeks ago I kind of asked the Universe: "I am really over this back pain. I have done all that I can, but that seems not to be enough. I need some help here!" A few days later I was cutting something very hard on a wooden board, when I slipped and the knife hit hard onto the board. This sudden slip gave me a terrible jolt into my lower back. But when I recovered from this sudden slip, it was as if something had unblocked in my back. Since then I am much. much better, even if not completely back to normal.

I am wondering if not getting enough sleep can be keeping some of the inflammatory process ongoing, or keep it from clearing up completely? I know that when I don't get enough sleep, my back really hurts. However, when I can get at least 5 hours of uninterrupted sleep, my back feels really good. Sleep really is important to our health in many different ways.

So all in all I am a bit frustrated with the way I am going with the EE, as I have the impression that I am emotionally "treading water". I haven't even remotely developed the quiet mind of the warrior unflinchingly facing the unknown yet. I often feel overwhelmed by all that is going on in our world and everything seems to go downhill all the time. Actually my family and friends have repeatedly told me that in the last few months I seemed frustrated, depressed and unhappy.

I think that you are being too hard on yourself and your problems with this are because of your long work hours and not getting enough sleep. Is there anyway you can cut back on your hours? Are you taking 5HTP? Are you taking any supplements? If not, take a look at the UltraMind Solution Quizzes to get an idea which supplements can help you.

I am not complaining, but I have run out of ideas as to how I could improve myself and how I can continue meaningfully on the path. I feel stuck in many ways, socially, geographically, professionally - I miss the boost that the EE used to give me. I am stuck in a strenuous routine and have lost the big picture.

It looks to me that you are putting in too many hours in your workplace, but I may not fully understand. Also, you can always Work on yourself while working at your job. After all, Gurdjieff said that the Work is meant to be done in our everyday lives. So you can still do this. Also, since you are doing pipe breathing and repeating the POTS during the day, this is great. If you fall asleep during the beatha and/or POTS during the program, that's okay. You are still listening to them so your subconscious is still listening and it is still getting through to you.

I think that you really need to relax about this and not worry so much. This worrying is part of your problem. Just keep doing what you can do, not worrying about it, but knowing that in the future you will be able to do things more to your liking. You have a program running that keeps telling you that you are failing, not doing good enough, etc. and this is undermining all of the Work that you are doing.

Go easy on yourself. Know that this too shall pass and keep doing what you can do. As I said above, even if you fall asleep, you are still getting benefits from listening to the POTS. You are doing pipe breathing and repeating the POTS during the day and this is good. Maybe while repeating the POTS, if you are not already doing it, you could really think about what you are saying. Visualize and feel what you are saying. I know that saying the POTS this way really helps me.

I don't know if any of this helps you nicklebleu, but wanted to share it with you.

 

[Gawan]

Legolas,

Finally I found the article on SOTT:
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/215263-Big-Pharma-Scores-Big-Win-Medicinal-Herbs-Will-Disappear-in-EU

I knew of ongoing initiatives to start applying some laws on 2011.
This article points out full enforcement policy with date April 2011.

Thanks for that jordifs, much appreciated.