Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[jordifs]

LQB,

Thank you very much for your comments. I did read referenced information to oxalates (which are present in raw almonds, I'd prefered raw to toasted). The issue for me, nonetheless, is to remove completely oxalates at all. I realised it is a huge problem for me now (spinach, swiss chard, raw almond, quinoa (? cannot find the link, but I read it also contains oxalates in low quantity)).

I did found interesting, related also to me the pain when releasing urine (I punctually experiencied similar effect):

This last symptom is a common factor in autism. It has been noted that many children with autism urinate perhaps fifty times a day, but only release a small amount of urine each time. After I did my research it became clear that the behavior arose because these children were suffering from kidney stones and high oxalate concentrations. The children would urinate only a small amount at a time since when urinating normally the pressure of the stream causes pain. Frequently releasing small amounts of urine causes much less pain to the child.

When doing the diet I found, usually, that I start the day with energy and at the end at home I fall to run out of it. This last weeks this depressed me a little bit as I cannot understand how I am goind to do something if I'm tired and expecting a 'bed relief'. The next quote means a lot to me:

One of the body’s energy production factories called glycolysis is inhibited by oxalates. The enzyme pyruvate kinase is involved in the last step in the body’s energy production and is strongly inhibited by oxalate. It is very interesting that the same enzyme inhibition is largely responsible for Tourette syndrome. People with Tourette syndrome, however, have strep antibodies that inhibit this enzyme. Oxalates also strongly inhibit the same enzyme.

As I read this I thought 'oh my ...', inihibition of energy production. I understand that a combined breakfast with brown rice give me energy at the beginning and I run out at the end. I do not wish to 'dinner' as it interfere with meditation.

I learned a lot in few days though the learning process will never end. I also I've seen that my feelings during meditation are increasing, my body parts fall asleep and insensitivity appears after a few minutes. I think that at the end I will be useful, just wait and see.

Kisses,
Jordi

On year 2009 I was taking magnesium. Yes it cleared my bowels, everyday. So I lowered the dossage. Nonetheless I switched this year 2010 to remove supplements, and to consume magnesium everyday in a raw form within the diet (food configuration). I researched and discovered the products: almond, spinach. So I included in my diet: raw almonds within a dish every day, raw almond puree (to cover a thin toast made of rice+quinoa), spinach (every day I can, slightly boiled 2-3 minutes). I also do have raw almond in a form to merge into a water glass (to make almond milk).

jordifs, since you are eating almonds and spinach on a daily basis, you might want to take a look at the information on oxalates that Psyche reposted here.

And you may want to re-examine the raw almonds as all raw nuts/seeds have powerful enzyme inhibitors that prevent germination outside a window of proper conditions for growth. This makes them hard on your own digestive enzymes during the digestion process. My experience with raw nuts has been digestive distress and constipation. If the nuts are roasted, much of the enzyme inhibitors are destroyed. You can also take raw nuts and soak them for 24 hrs (depending on the nut), then dry them in a dehydrator. FWIW

 

[jordifs]

And as far as I have understood the EE program it is not very desirable to zone out. Contrary to the classical "meditation" where one tries to empty one's mind, the EE meditation uses the POTS as a seed, or like a light in the vast darkness - at least that is the way I figure it. But please correct me, if I am wrong.

Actually, Laura says that zoning out is something that is helpful as it is when our lower selves our connecting to our higher selves. We are learning things during this time from our higher selves. So this is a good thing.

I do know that zoning out might be a good sign. Nonetheless reading about the out of body experience, I've read that zoning out 'too easily' without much effort, must be a bad sign. It might indicate that the conscious mind can disconnect with too much ease. And this may be a con for actually performing actions on physical world. I point out this issue because for me, when I'm really focused I zone out with ease. I can even disconnect and listen to POTS on a different sentence/phrase, so I think damn me, I've lost the sequence.

I do understand that nonetheless this 'zone out' is most probably a good indicator.

I also try to do the pipe breathing/ meditation/ POTS every night before sleep. But same here - often as soon as I start doing the pipe breathing and relax I am off to sleep. I never get as far as the POTS. I try to do both the pipe breathing/ POTS and the EE program during the day, which is much easier. But more often than not this is impossible. Being tired makes doing the program really hard.

Don't worry about falling asleep during the POTS. You are still listening to it subconsciously. This is still helpful to you.

This is something that crossed my mind recently and I wanted to comment. Shame for me I always fall asleep when listening POTS. I've discovered that with previous body position never happen. For your information I practice using 'lotus flower position', crossed legs each foot over the other one leg. Laura comments to lay down, to not cross any body part. I do understand this is linked to the inward/outward flow of energy. I do realised that feelings slightly change when I lay down. Mostly on legs/feet/hand (heat), in general my body parts fall asleep, and my goosebump goes very active.

I do now understand that, after all, may not be critical to fall asleep. I read (previously) that it is important not fall sleep (may be this is wrong).

Nonetheless I ask.
¿It is more important to not to fall asleep, or to be conscious with another body position?
A position that does not let the body to fall asleep such as the lotus flower position, see image below:
_http://www.flickr.com/photos/wonderlane/4722082447/

I assume it is much better to lay down.

 

[nicklebleu]

Thanks Nienna Eluch for your post and the encouragement!

Just a few clarifications and remarks:

Just a few things, nicklebleu. :)

I have been really busy lately, working long, irregular hours, and night shifts in between, so all in all I am in a state of continued exhaustion. When I am off work there is a lot to catch up with in my daily life: admin, family life, things to do around the house etc., so I seem to be running around a lot for unproductive purposes. I have had to reduce my reading and participation here on the forum and in the translation group to catch enough sleep.

Sleep is very important and I understand that sometimes we are forced to not get enough sleep because of what is going on in life. Later on this.

I actually think that I do get enough sleep - mostly. The quality of my sleep is very good. The only problem is when I have to do night shifts that I then get kind of "jet lagged", which might take a few days to wear off. And then the next night shift occurs ...

I have incorporated the dietary changes as much as possible and I think I have been quite successful. I have quit gluten/ dairy/ coffee/ sugar/ alcohol and a few other things, which has had a positive impact on my health and on my weight. The most amazing changes have been that my (borderline) hypertension has completely gone (I now get dizzy, if I get up too fast), my reflux is totally gone and the pains I had in a few joints are gone too!

That's terrific! It's amazing how much inflammation and pain these evil foods cause us. Maybe you are now ready for the detox diet and learning what other foods are causing you inflammation?
now if any of this helps you nicklebleu, but wanted to share it with you.

I have detoxed and gone on a variety of supplements. Of course one can always do better - I think I can improve on the vegetable side and cut down on the grains yet - less rice/ quinoa/ buckwheat, more leafy green stuff. I also eat meat and will start to do my own sausages, as the ones you buy in the shops here all contain additives and preservatives (nitrites). So from my point of view I think that I don't do too badly here.

I am not complaining, but I have run out of ideas as to how I could improve myself and how I can continue meaningfully on the path. I feel stuck in many ways, socially, geographically, professionally - I miss the boost that the EE used to give me. I am stuck in a strenuous routine and have lost the big picture.

It looks to me that you are putting in too many hours in your workplace, but I may not fully understand. Also, you can always Work on yourself while working at your job. After all, Gurdjieff said that the Work is meant to be done in our everyday lives. So you can still do this. Also, since you are doing pipe breathing and repeating the POTS during the day, this is great. If you fall asleep during the beatha and/or POTS during the program, that's okay. You are still listening to them so your subconscious is still listening and it is still getting through to you.

I think that you really need to relax about this and not worry so much. This worrying is part of your problem. Just keep doing what you can do, not worrying about it, but knowing that in the future you will be able to do things more to your liking. You have a program running that keeps telling you that you are failing, not doing good enough, etc. and this is undermining all of the Work that you are doing.

Go easy on yourself. Know that this too shall pass and keep doing what you can do. As I said above, even if you fall asleep, you are still getting benefits from listening to the POTS. You are doing pipe breathing and repeating the POTS during the day and this is good. Maybe while repeating the POTS, if you are not already doing it, you could really think about what you are saying. Visualize and feel what you are saying. I know that saying the POTS this way really helps me.

I don't know if any of this helps you nicklebleu, but wanted to share it with you.

I certainly do put in too many hours in my workplace, but at the moment this is not a matter of choice. We are extremely short staffed and there is not really an end in sight yet. We are working on this, but it might take another 6-12 months to remedy the problem. I try to take care of myself workwise as much as is possible under the circumstances, but at the moment this is the best I can do - bar from leaving the job completely, which I have thought about, but which at the moment is not opportune either. This ties into the bigger picture as well, as intermediate term I will need to change something in the way I work, as this is slowly wearing me down. I am contemplating several options but I am still undecided as to which course of action is best.

I wasn't aware, that "zoning out" was a good thing in itself. I must admit that I haven't been following this thread lately - I lost track around page 100 - and it was too intimidating to read through another 160 additional pages. I still want to do it - just haven't figured out a way to store the whole thread for offline reading.

I know that I am a "worrier" rather than a "warrior", one of my programs I guess, on which I am working.

But again thanks for the encouragement, your post certainly has helped me and given me some more insight!

 

[Aiming]

Hi nicklebleu.

I think I can improve on the vegetable side and cut down on the grains yet - less rice/ quinoa/ buckwheat, more leafy green stuff.

Just a note here: rice also contains a form of gluten and shouldn't be eaten, unless it's wild rice.

I still want to do it - just haven't figured out a way to store the whole thread for offline reading.

The way I do it is press on the print button on the right side of the page and then save it as a whole to my computer.

 

[nicklebleu]

Hi nicklebleu.

I think I can improve on the vegetable side and cut down on the grains yet - less rice/ quinoa/ buckwheat, more leafy green stuff.

Just a note here: rice also contains a form of gluten and shouldn't be eaten, unless it's wild rice.

I still want to do it - just haven't figured out a way to store the whole thread for offline reading.

The way I do it is press on the print button on the right side of the page and then save it as a whole to my computer.

Hi Puzzle,

Thanks for the tip with the printing ... works well, although not as pretty as the webpages!

As to the rice ... do you have any reference about rice having some form of gluten? I have heard that a few times and have done some search on the net, but haven't really found much information. Most of the info I found was talking about the coating of the rice that may have some gluten to make it stick. Also, a search on the Cass forum returned a blank.

So if you have a reference (or anyone!) much appreciated!

 

[Aiming]

As to the rice ... do you have any reference about rice having some form of gluten?

I'd have to search on the forum myself first of all, but there's a video you could watch, where Dr. Osborne explains it quite well (though he doesn't mention wild rice).
_http://www.glutenology.net/glutenology-health-matrix-free-video/

 

[aragorn]

Just a small update on my EE experiences:

I haven't earlier seen any lights or faces during the EE(as reported by some others), but on Christmas eve I did see something. During the POTS I got this 'idea' of visualizing the DCM as a very bright white sky/light behind the cosmos. At the moment of 'savior of the soul' I imagined myself dying, and how I would fly through the clouds towards this white light. I started to feel a very deep connection to...something. Some moments later there was this huge and very intense bright flash of light 'exploding' in my head. This lasted maybe a second. This felt quite extraordinary. I've had some similar flashes of light occurring while meditating in a group, but this was way much bigger than any of those.

That night I dreamt that I 'slayed' some sort of evil creature by singing! I was singing over and over the same phrase(can't remember what), very loud, and the creature kept shrinking and shrinking until it dissolved completely.

One last observation: on several occasions when I'm just about to get a very strong and deep connection during the POTS, our son has started to moan and whimper in his sleep(in the next room), resulting in me being 'disconnected'. This has happened so many times, and at just that critical moment, that I can't help to think that someone is messing with my meditation(through my son)!

 

[Nawd]

One last observation: on several occasions when I'm just about to get a very strong and deep connection during the POTS, our son has started to moan and whimper in his sleep(in the next room), resulting in me being 'disconnected'. This has happened so many times, and at just that critical moment, that I can't help to think that someone is messing with my meditation(through my son)!

Wow this part gave me goose bumps! I can not tell you how many times, but so many it's almost crazy, this same thing has happened to me.

I got to thinking about it actually last night, wondering if there is some sort of 'brain wave' I let out to alert the sleeping children to make some sort of strange noise. Sometimes I can 'ride through whatever sounds they make during the POTS but not often. It's like an automatic 'pull back' I experiece to make sure everything is fine 'here'.

Thanks for bringing this up!

 

[Turgon]

but on Christmas eve I did see something ... That night I dreamt that I 'slayed' some sort of evil creature by singing! I was singing over and over the same phrase(can't remember what), very loud, and the creature kept shrinking and shrinking until it dissolved completely.

Aragorn, on Christmas eve when I went to sleep after doing Pipe & POTS, I had a dream of setting up a concert where there was a number of Fellowship members involved in different roles. It was almost a Pink Floyd-esque type concert and I remember being at the side of the stage and thinking the levels were a bit off until a moved across the stage into the stands and it sounded absolutely perfect!

Unfortunately, in the dream there weren't many people that attended and I thought it was a shame that so many people missed out on such an amazing concert. But the theme of music seemed in tune with what you mentioned so I thought I'd add it in.

 

[Ares]

i'd like to submit my latest report on doing the EE program:
i had been travelling quite a bit for work reasons the past month and haven't been able to do EE regularly, however after I finished my latest assignment I was back home again and had re-started the program.

The last few times I've been having apocalyptic dreams every time I do the EE program before going to bed at night - dreams involving an impending disaster. The one I had last night, the city i was in (in the dream) was in total chaos, people were running around, there were some type of security officers shooting random people (guess I was also running away from them inside some hotel type of building). When i came out to the street and looked up at the sky, I could see a glowing orb high up which I immediately sensed meant danger and imminent death. The sky was dimmed - as if looking through sun glasses, or in a partial solar eclipse, but still bright enough to see the clouds and the glowing orb.

Quite disturbing actually, but interesting this is happening more often now, than before. I'm not sure if this is just a manifestation of my unconscious fears or actually some sort of message.

Has anyone had a similar experience?

 

[doublea1535]

One last observation: on several occasions when I'm just about to get a very strong and deep connection during the POTS, our son has started to moan and whimper in his sleep(in the next room), resulting in me being 'disconnected'. This has happened so many times, and at just that critical moment, that I can't help to think that someone is messing with my meditation(through my son)!

Wow this part gave me goose bumps! I can not tell you how many times, but so many it's almost crazy, this same thing has happened to me.

I got to thinking about it actually last night, wondering if there is some sort of 'brain wave' I let out to alert the sleeping children to make some sort of strange noise. Sometimes I can 'ride through whatever sounds they make during the POTS but not often. It's like an automatic 'pull back' I experiece to make sure everything is fine 'here'.

The same sort of thing happens to me as well, except with one of my cats. At the exact moment I feel myself really relaxing one of my cats will start meowing very loudly and pitifully. It is the sort of noise that is very, very hard to ignore and often snaps me out of the relaxed state I was just slipping into. I also had the same thought as Aragorn, that something was working through my cat to throw me off and prevent me from progressing. She (my cat) will meow like that more than I care for, but the precise timing that has happened several times during EE makes me really think there is something else going on; intentional STS manipulation.

 

[Ageeva]

I started practicing EE a few months ago on a regular basis. When I first ordered the EE program I was in the initial stages of becoming more aware of what was really going on in the world and had been going on for a long time. The focus then was very much about learning what was out there, I mean the actions of the PTB etc, and only after reading the Wave series and becoming aware of the Fourth Way did I realise that I needed to look at myself. As usual my 'you're not good enough for this, forget it' predator was hard at work so my initial enthusiasm cooled off and the practice of EE suffered as well as did dietary changes. Even before I discovered this site and forum I had already begun to try to try to understand the physical and mental damage done to my body by the toxic food I was eating and the toxic environment I was living in, not to mention the mercury in my teeth (now gone). I also began to practice yoga and tai chi as a means of detoxing and destressing too and I still do these now and again. It's the 'now and again' that has always been my downfall, a habit going back a long time and it's affected my practice of EE as well as my dietary changes. Despite the proof I have experienced that these changes have been beneficial over the years I've regressed and watched my physical and mental health decline. It's completely irrational and it's something I realise I need to look at or I will regress again.
I do the pipe breathing in the morning and the meditation at night, while doing the Beatha breathing twice a week. I did struggle to do the pipe breathing in the morning because I used to swallow a lot and it disturbed the flow. I was told by my dentist who removed my mercury amalgams a month ago that I had excessive salivation but that it will ease once I begin to remove heavy metals from my body. I'm preparing to do the first DMSA detox early in the new year so hopefully the pipe breathing will be less disrupted by constant swallowing. When I did the Beatha breathing initally I had typical problems people have spoken about on the forum. At the time I did the Beatha breathing late in the evening and found I couldn't sleep and was very irritable the next day, I've since brought it back to late afternoon, that works sometimes but other times I still can't sleep well. It became easier to do after my initial practice made me very light headed. One of the first times I did it I nearly passed out, but it was my own fault as I had my mp3 player set accidentally on loop and did two rounds of Beatha breathing before I groggily realised why Laura was taking so long to move on to the POTS :D.
I had a very pleasant experience with meditation last week after taking a bath with epsom salts and lavender drops, felt totally relaxed in body and zoned out for a while. Though not sure if this was genuine zoning out or just an ultra relaxed state brought on by my bath. Anyway baths are out for the moment, my pipes have frozen in the Big Freeze and I'm still waiting for the water to come back. :(

 

[Lucius]

Hello

day by day pray .. and two time per week full EE

I re listening "breathing_intro"

I see much progress in Seeing my self and others in my life - work , family , earth.

I realize that I have DDA ( Adult Children from families of those addicted and dysfunctional ) My mother was from family "addicted alcohol", and father from dysfunctional family now I have realize some PROGRAMS that run in back ground of my psychic ^^ .

It is huge progress^^

EE is helping me and detox =) reading.

Still reading just dont have so much time to write about my progress ^^ :)

 

[aragorn]

but on Christmas eve I did see something ... That night I dreamt that I 'slayed' some sort of evil creature by singing! I was singing over and over the same phrase(can't remember what), very loud, and the creature kept shrinking and shrinking until it dissolved completely.

Aragorn, on Christmas eve when I went to sleep after doing Pipe & POTS, I had a dream of setting up a concert where there was a number of Fellowship members involved in different roles. It was almost a Pink Floyd-esque type concert and I remember being at the side of the stage and thinking the levels were a bit off until a moved across the stage into the stands and it sounded absolutely perfect!

Unfortunately, in the dream there weren't many people that attended and I thought it was a shame that so many people missed out on such an amazing concert. But the theme of music seemed in tune with what you mentioned so I thought I'd add it in.

Interesting! I remember that in the dream there were several other 'musicians' doing sort of the same thing, singing or playing the bad guys away. And we were positioned at some sort of stage...

 

[truth seeker]

One last observation: on several occasions when I'm just about to get a very strong and deep connection during the POTS, our son has started to moan and whimper in his sleep(in the next room), resulting in me being 'disconnected'. This has happened so many times, and at just that critical moment, that I can't help to think that someone is messing with my meditation(through my son)!

Wow this part gave me goose bumps! I can not tell you how many times, but so many it's almost crazy, this same thing has happened to me.

I got to thinking about it actually last night, wondering if there is some sort of 'brain wave' I let out to alert the sleeping children to make some sort of strange noise. Sometimes I can 'ride through whatever sounds they make during the POTS but not often. It's like an automatic 'pull back' I experiece to make sure everything is fine 'here'.

The same sort of thing happens to me as well, except with one of my cats. At the exact moment I feel myself really relaxing one of my cats will start meowing very loudly and pitifully. It is the sort of noise that is very, very hard to ignore and often snaps me out of the relaxed state I was just slipping into. I also had the same thought as Aragorn, that something was working through my cat to throw me off and prevent me from progressing. She (my cat) will meow like that more than I care for, but the precise timing that has happened several times during EE makes me really think there is something else going on; intentional STS manipulation.

I've experienced this to some extent as well in the past. Perhaps others will have other suggestions, but what I did was to ignore it and keep going (the distractions were coming from outside). If you know that the cat and the baby are safe, I'd say keep going with the ee. In the case of the child specifically, build up to the point where you can get through a full session. Basically, if he/she starts to become upset at the half hour mark, then do the ee up to 35 minutes, then 40 and so on before going in to check. Another suggestion may be to stop and check on the child and then go back and finish. I have found that if you don't become discouraged or upset and yet continue, it eventually stops.