Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Seamus]

edit: Thanks for that quote, quite some food for thought. Where did you take it from?

Its from Discovering a taste for things that are true _http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=19201.msg185702#msg185702.

I am really struggling to just see the machine as it is, without immediately judging it and pushing it away. I think "I" don't want to really do the work that needs to be done, "I" just want it to be over. Seamas wants to feel his "true feelings" NOW! I think that most of the time my mind is judging, controlling, repressing and denying in an endless loop, but I guess that is my reality right now, so I'm trying to see it as it is. Its painful and difficult.

Thank you so much for talking about this (the bolded part)! That's exactly what I voiced here a few days ago, and I then started to feel really dull for still being concerned with grokking only the basic things. However, I've made some progress there, because shortly after feeling dull, I realized that it's totally futile to be engaging in this program of putting down the self, and I told myself that even if I'm a slow learner, what counts is that I'm learning.

As for seeing the machine as it is, that surely is quite a call in and of itself. Where I currently am is alternating between seeing it as it is (or at least, as much as I can currently see), followed by programs of judging, controlling, repressing. But even if this seeing is still being followed by those programs, at least I do come out at the other end, realizing it was simply programs, and then to 'gather together' again and follow the unidentified course again.

edit: Thanks for that quote, quite some food for thought. Where did you take it from?

Every time I start to think that I'm really "getting it" I realize after a while that I'm lying to myself. Seamas doesn't really want to see things as they are, he wants things to be the way he wants them to be. As you said earlier:

Really interesting how much of what I know theoretically needs yet to be understood, that is integrated / made one's own by involving the other centers in the progress.

And yet I continually fall into this same trap, over and over again. I don't know how many times I've read about this concept in different forms on this forum and in the readings, but I still don't "get it" because Seamas doesn't want to get it. He read the book, his work is done. What's next?

this all is work in progress, that can't be done in only one night...But I will keep going.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm planning on having everything sorted by the end of the week at the latest.

 

[Lucius]

Next summary of my EE program

I noticed great progress in my training - martial arts - I focus on this without a problem and this is now, I'm mindful in a 100% even at very high physical fatigue, apply pipe breatch 4 mint in breaks in the gym and on the training of martial arts. This enhances concentration - hmm all other thoughts like that did not exist you're here and now.

 

[Angchop]

I haven't posted here lately because I hadn't done the full program in awhile. I have constantly been listening to POTS every nite, but its probably been a couple of months since I have done it all. I have kind of felt like I have been a bit depressed and didn't feel much like doing anything. Well that is changing. I started yesterday and did the whole program and I feel really good today. THe only thing is, is that when I was doing the three stage breathing, I would want to yawn constantly. Towards the end it seemed better, but could I have been doing something wrong?

Anyway I plan on continuing with the program, I feel I am getting out of the funk I was in. I will check back here with my progress.

Angela

 

[Aiming]

THe only thing is, is that when I was doing the three stage breathing, I would want to yawn constantly. Towards the end it seemed better, but could I have been doing something wrong?

Hi Angela,

yawning during EE is a pretty common thing for many practitioners at one point or another, so you're not doing anything wrong.

It happens when one functions from the 'intellectual' part of centers rather than the 'mechanical' or 'emotional' part of centers, which means using 'controlled' attention. You can observe it in any practices/exercises that require 'controlled' attention. And interestingly enough if you continue more after 'yawning' is observed, you will reach the point where suddenly 'fresh' energy will be supplied.
More about yawning - http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=6695.msg46332#msg46332

Anyway I plan on continuing with the program, I feel I am getting out of the funk I was in. I will check back here with my progress.

That's good news! :)

 

[Angchop]

Hi Angela,

yawning during EE is a pretty common thing for many practitioners at one point or another, so you're not doing anything wrong

Thanks Puzzle, this eases my mind.

:)

 

[Graalsword]

Last monday, during the POTS/Meditation section I had what seems to have been a very long zoning out. It was a long time since the last one (of the very few I had). I was not sleepy (not before the EE, neither during, nor afterwards), so it didn't feel as the normal sleep; I remember nothing at all of it, and it seems that it lasted near 25 to 30 minutes, to the point that when I "woke up" from it, the tape had begun to run again from the begining.

Also, among the several benefits I just observed is that it helps to avoid dissociation and I noticed a strengthening of the will.

 

[shadowsaround]

I have since restarted the EE program and I noticed something tonight while doing the 3 stage breathing. After I finished the 1st stage of the 3 stage breathing I felt very hot and even started to sweat. The other thing I observed was that when I get to the 2nd and 3rd stage my arms are hurting and they feel very tight like they usually do after a good upper body workout.The pain was under and around the shoulder blades and I had to stop. I did the stretches and a bit more and took a long hot shower beforehand to make sure my muscles where nice and relaxed. Maybe this is simply my body telling me to stretch more?

 

[Ollie]

Hi shadowsaround

From a metaphysical point of view, the following may help, or not.

Arm(s) Represents the capacity and ability to hold the experiences of life.

Shoulders represent our ability to carry out experiences in life joyously. We make a burden by our attitude.

SHOULDER PROBLEMS
EMOTIONAL BLOCK
Shoulder pain signifies a feeling of being emotionally burdened. You have “the weight of the world on your shoulders.” You want to do too much for others, so prevent yourself from doing what you want because of that inner obligation to them. In focusing on keeping others happy, you fail to reach out and grasp your own happiness. You have tremendous capacity for working hard. Your body isn’t telling you to stop doing so much, but to do it out of love instead of obligation. If you have difficulties moving your arms, you may be apprehensive about embracing a person or a new situation.

MENTAL BLOCK
Shoulder pain is a message that you are overburdening yourself for no real reason; you are taking on burdens that do not belong to you. Liberate yourself by allowing others to live their own lives and make their own mistakes – they’ll learn something! Did you ever promise them that you would do all this for them? Or do you believe that it all falls on your shoulders automatically?

It is time to establish your limitations and personal needs and take on your shoulders only what corresponds to what you want for yourself. Take care of yourself as if you were someone you cared about. Understand that you alone put pressure on yourself; others will respect your needs when you learn to respect them yourself. Allow yourself to be flexible, embrace anyone or anything you want, and let go of your belief that the consequences will be harsh.

 

[manitoban]

Last nights session was interesting. After a long period of not zoning much or seeing anything, this time my session was different. I seemed to go into it very deeply and started seeing some kind of white smoke from time to time. Then, as clear as a bell, I was looking at my car, and there was a person (didn't see their face) pointing at the licence plate and indicating it was about to expire. :O Whoa, that snapped me out of the deep meditation I was in! Not sure what that was about, but I did check and my licence is not about to expire.

 

[Avi]

hi Manitoban,

I have seen that white billowy smoke as well. Really not sure what to make of it?

Just a thought on your vision, perhaps the message indicates that the identity you've had up this point is no longer serving you and therefore is about to "expire"? Not that it does not serve you as much as you are growing beyond it? Hence the need for new "license plates".

When it comes to dream/vision symbols, I have read that our car/vehicle = state of awareness and if the license plate is the individual "identity" maybe it means your awareness has changed such that the old identity (license plate) is no longer valid?

FWIW.

Also, in my own experiences with E/E - I have not noticed anything out of the ordinary of late, but have felt generally fatigued lately, and also emotional. I am much better about remaining externally considerate and not taking out the emotional rawness on others. And when it comes to POTS - I have noticed the tendency to sometimes start to recite it by rote, rather than really BEING with it. So I am focussing on that. I am doing EE daily and POTS too, but not the Beatha, except every few days and only for maybe 10 minutes or so, as it gets me really agitated at times.

Last nights session was interesting. After a long period of not zoning much or seeing anything, this time my session was different. I seemed to go into it very deeply and started seeing some kind of white smoke from time to time. Then, as clear as a bell, I was looking at my car, and there was a person (didn't see their face) pointing at the licence plate and indicating it was about to expire. :O Whoa, that snapped me out of the deep meditation I was in! Not sure what that was about, but I did check and my licence is not about to expire.

Cheers.

 

[manitoban]

hi Manitoban,

I have seen that white billowy smoke as well. Really not sure what to make of it?

Just a thought on your vision, perhaps the message indicates that the identity you've had up this point is no longer serving you and therefore is about to "expire"? Not that it does not serve you as much as you are growing beyond it? Hence the need for new "license plates".

When it comes to dream/vision symbols, I have read that our car/vehicle = state of awareness and if the license plate is the individual "identity" maybe it means your awareness has changed such that the old identity (license plate) is no longer valid?

FWIW.

Thanks Herakles, that makes sense to me. And just doing a quick check of the dream dictionary, here's what it says about licence plates.

License Plate
To see a license plate in your dream, represents freedom to run your own life and to do what you want to do

http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/l2.htm


So, putting the two together, might be about releasing the old identity/awareness for one with more freedom. That could be good. :)

 

[Avi]

Thanks Herakles, that makes sense to me. And just doing a quick check of the dream dictionary, here's what it says about licence plates.

License Plate
To see a license plate in your dream, represents freedom to run your own life and to do what you want to do

http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/l2.htm


So, putting the two together, might be about releasing the old identity/awareness for one with more freedom. That could be good. :)

My pleasure, and yes, I think that could be very good indeed! :)

 

[Ollie]

This week I managed to keep going through the whole of the BaHa portion without drifting off/shutting down breathing. However, on Thursday, at the end of BaHa I felt light-headed, and throughout the whole of PotS my right leg was twitching, with tears running down my face. In fact, for the past week, even when reciting PotS before sleep my eyes have been wet.

 

[seek10]

However, on Thursday, at the end of BaHa I felt light-headed, and throughout the whole of PotS my right leg was twitching, with tears running down my face. In fact, for the past week, even when reciting PotS before sleep my eyes have been wet.

some update. As usual, I am doing before the sleep. My rolfing sessions and some other interesting techniques like visualisation my rolfer uses showing lot of context to the emotions that coming for a year. This is great. It all related to childhood issues with my parents fights and issues of neglect and confusions about 'what is right or wrong' etc. This is giving LOT of clarity to my programs. the more work in office and more tears in the evening and strangely lots of zoning while doing baha. Though I get lot of images in baha, I forget them so quickly it is difficult to remember.

 

[Learner]

First off, I want to thank you for the EE DVD, Laura & Chateau Family. I got back to my place two days ago, where I found it. It works without problems on my grown old laptop. Marvellous Work!...

Yesterday I did the full EE again since about a month. I hope, with the help of the DVD set I can keep a better discipline at all, to breathe the full round with all you guys on Mondays and Thursdays always.

While doing EE, I could focus a bit better on the breathing. I also was participating a bit more actively, than at other times.
However, what was distracting me a bit, was the feeling of hunger in my stomach, though I think I ate enough last evening. It had been suggested many sites earlier in this thread by someone, that it can be due to not drinking enough. Maybe there is something to this...

During Baha I saw the head of some evil monster, submerged in deep red light. But it went away quite soon.
After the session, I wasn't able to find sleep for approximately half an hour, many thoughts and emotions were coming to me.
But I woke up today feeling very rested.

Last night I also had a quite intensive dream about being in a large bathroom with places for shower, at a huge swimming pool filled with many visitors. I had been to this bathroom twice in this dream. There was also another bathroom I just knew of, but it didn't really appear in my dream. However, the bathroom I saw looked quite old and mouldy at first and at my second visit there I found out, that it has been renovated - along with the second bathroom.

To dream that you are in the bathroom, relates to your instinctual urges. You may be experiencing some burdens/feelings and need to "relieve yourself". Alternatively, a bathroom symbolizes purification and self-renewal. You need to cleanse yourself, both emotionally and psychologically.

Btw, thanks for providing the link to this site, Herakles! I came across it a couple of times last year, but didn't think of it for a long time but today.

Funny, that it occured after the first full EE session after quite a long time... Hope, that my dream really means "renewal" due to cleansing... Maybe it is just a little heads-up from the universe, but it can also be a deception by 4D-STS or just only my own wishful thinking, that was reflected in that dream. However, I felt great after waking up - physically and emotionally.


EDIT: Clarity