Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[pete02]

It seems that a few members don't listen when we say that Baha should not be practiced more than 2x/week and to stop doing it when they start feeling overwhelmed. And I am not saying this for Jordifs right now, but for everybody.

That's very true, and I was one of those people. It's interesting because I felt "sniped" when you wrote that, as if you were singling me out and sort of poking fun of me. I want to share this reaction because I usually keep them to myself. I don't want to seem needy and weak. But the more I share on the forum the more I realize that outing these reactions brings us all closer together, because this way our own inner predator can't beat up on us from the shadows.

After noticing this reaction I did EE and realized that this nasty thinking pattern (towards Alana) was rooted in the assumption that everyone secretly hates me, and it is only time before they let it slip. I developed this program because, like others, I also grew up in a repressive environment.

Me too, except for me it was my mother who had no friends and thought everyone was out to get her. I've surely gotten some of this from her because I've had and still do have those same reactions you speak of to certain posts that I reply to. It seems like the voice in my head just wants me to be angry at those trying to help me and then gets me to say/do something I will later regret. I was aware of this little voice but never actually put it together with the way my mom behaves. It's good that you felt the need to speak out about this Hesper because as we all are trying to figure out our programs it helps others to make connections in our lives that are very similar. Thanks for posting that my friend. ;)

 

[beetlemaniac]

Gandalf, I did read that post and I should have added more to my earlier post. Thinking about the way I posted earlier seems to show that I had a certain arrogance in openly contradicting what Alana and others had posted.

Currently, I am a little less tied up with things like work and have more free time to pursue the real Work, thus the circumstances seemed highly conducive for me to put in more effort. Still, it also should be true that EE does enable me access to 'areas' that I may not have the capacity to handle if done in excess. Thinking a little deeper about my actions, I realise that I could bring on forces into my reality which may overwhelm me and in the set me back by a mile or two from where I was. I may be trying to play with fire by doing this.

Hesper, I can relate to everything you've said about the characteristics of your predator, it's in me too and it's there all the time. There's no denying the fact that the predator will be there and is waiting for us to slip up and take control at any chance it gets. It does feel so completely wrong to have something in yourself constantly denigrating the people who are here sharing and guiding in this forum. I guess that is just it's nature and it's not going any time soon.

I am slowly learning bit by bit that sincerity is so important, just plain sincerity in pursuing our Aim. Always being open to correcting and re-correcting, learning and re-learning (and also unlearning). I want to contribute more to the group and I will. Thank you. :)

 

[Alana]

It seems that a few members don't listen when we say that Baha should not be practiced more than 2x/week and to stop doing it when they start feeling overwhelmed. And I am not saying this for Jordifs right now, but for everybody.

That's very true, and I was one of those people. It's interesting because I felt "sniped" when you wrote that, as if you were singling me out and sort of poking fun of me. I want to share this reaction because I usually keep them to myself. I don't want to seem needy and weak. But the more I share on the forum the more I realize that outing these reactions brings us all closer together, because this way our own inner predator can't beat up on us from the shadows.

Thank you for sharing, Hespen. It feels better to share than not to share, doesn't it? And I can relate to the program you mention: I too most of my life felt that people showed that they liked me, when in reality they didn't, and any good words were perceived by me that they were spoken because people felt sorry for me and they wanted me to feel better. Looking back, I can attest that for the most part it was me feeling sorry for myself, and projecting it onto others, my perceptions of the outside reality were skewed by these inner considerings. So I ended up behaving unappreciative towards people who did not deserve it.

And I can't change how I behaved then, no matter how much I regret it, but I can change how I behave from now on. Even if I can't make the voices in my head stop, I can still do some reality checking of my own. And in fact I noticed - to my relief but also some disappointment, I admit - that even the people around me do not spent so much time thinking about me and categorizing me as I thought they did ;)

 

[stellar]

I have to finally share something about the EE program as it applies to me. In the beginning I only did POTS for afew weeks. Then for a couple of months I only added the 3 stage breathing. It wasn't something I read I was supposed to do, just did. When I finally started doing the full program afew days a week I did't notice any strong reactions that were 'out of the ordinary' in my day to day behaviour.

There have been family or business/work issues that often came up but I generally kept calm.I find the full EE very soothing and regenerating.

So I'm sometimes wandering if I'm missing something in subtleties. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough or being objective enough in analysing my actions and thoughts.Anyway , just something that's been on my mind about EE lately. I have read though, that depending on what one's issues are and wounding it may be more shocking for some than others. Not wishful thinking, but maybe a possibility when I recall that most of my life I have spent analysing why I think what I think and where it has taken me, and in that way ameliorated the possible impact of the BaHa.(As in 'I have seen it all before just could't put a name to it')

Hope this hasn't turned into a rant, just asking for others' take on my experience.

 

[chaps23]

A little off topic but still in re: to the EE program-

How do I do this exercise EE with out having any expectations on what I will get out of it now that I have read into it? I have been reading all these comments from people and there experiences and I now I feel that when Im doing it I'm going to be blocked from experiencing the deeper aspects of this exercise due to expecting to get things out of it.

I mean its easy said to keep an open mind but to be honest with this situation and reading so much I believe I will struggle. (I also believe that here in lies my problem) How can one change beliefs when I am constantly adding mass to the issue by reading even more of other peoples experiences? I am even looking at the situation understanding that it will be unique to me, but I cant help but think to expect what others have got out of this. :( Frustrating... although the answer may be clear to some of you it is not as yet visible to me so please feel free to write down your thoughts regarding.

Will continuos practice assist me in this? I understand how my expectations will restrict what information I recieve, and am simply looking at ways/ methods during perhaps meditation before hand that may allow me to forget these expectations before I practice EE

EDIT: added sentences in second paragraph.

 

[Harold]

It seems that a few members don't listen when we say that Baha should not be practiced more than 2x/week and to stop doing it when they start feeling overwhelmed. And I am not saying this for Jordifs right now, but for everybody.

That's very true, and I was one of those people. It's interesting because I felt "sniped" when you wrote that, as if you were singling me out and sort of poking fun of me. I want to share this reaction because I usually keep them to myself. I don't want to seem needy and weak. But the more I share on the forum the more I realize that outing these reactions brings us all closer together, because this way our own inner predator can't beat up on us from the shadows.

Thank you for sharing, Hespen. It feels better to share than not to share, doesn't it? And I can relate to the program you mention: I too most of my life felt that people showed that they liked me, when in reality they didn't, and any good words were perceived by me that they were spoken because people felt sorry for me and they wanted me to feel better. Looking back, I can attest that for the most part it was me feeling sorry for myself, and projecting it onto others, my perceptions of the outside reality were skewed by these inner considerings. So I ended up behaving unappreciative towards people who did not deserve it.

And I can't change how I behaved then, no matter how much I regret it, but I can change how I behave from now on. Even if I can't make the voices in my head stop, I can still do some reality checking of my own. And in fact I noticed - to my relief but also some disappointment, I admit - that even the people around me do not spent so much time thinking about me and categorizing me as I thought they did ;)

I notice that sharing stuff also disables the programs to some degree. The more I share the less power the programs/predator has. The voices too are allot less for me over the years and even more so since I have joined this forum. Clearing/cleaning up our psyches is what I think contributes to that... I could be wrong though.

Anyways, I really relate to these comments, thanx to all of you for sharing. The feeling of not being alone in this is so powerful. I specially relate to how people dont spend as much time thinking about me as I do thinking about them, thinking about me. That and how people showed that they like me when they dont. The whole idea of how I can know what others are thinking, strikes me as arrogance, projection and self importance.... not to mention, I`m not a mind reader. Nor do I need to waste my time on these thoughts. Thanx again for sharing.

One more thing, I am totally dissappearing during EE meditation. I dont even remember the count down from 5 at the end, I just come back. Sometimes I have a dream like thoughts but mostly I just am gone.... or something like that it is hard to explain. Also too I am able to focus on the technique of the pipe breathing and find I can adjust the constrictions to find that `sweet` spot where I get a very relaxing sensation right down to the soles of my feet... it is very rewarding. Last thurs. after a full EE on Wed night, I was not me, a different `I` was in me the next day, one that was very impaitient, easily angered and flustered. Dont know what to make of it. Im glad it was for just the day but I still notice that I am more self centered in my sensivity. Could be my new circumstances at work also... dont really know but it is interesting to watch. I am struggling more with external consideration since, I have to keep on my toes more which is good on the one hand but a challenge on the other. I have been stressed out too that may have something to do with it.

 

[Aliana]

It seems that a few members don't listen when we say that Baha should not be practiced more than 2x/week and to stop doing it when they start feeling overwhelmed. And I am not saying this for Jordifs right now, but for everybody.

I was guilty of trying to push too hard myself and had to learn a good lesson because I spent a couple of weeks of having to endure the emotional fallout from this – and did not need that added stress (especially when trying to adapt to the new diet!) Interestingly, I am reading a book by Marie-Louise Von Franz called The Feminine in Fairy Tales and came across this quote:

Before the birth of a hero or heroine, there is often such a long period of sterility; and then the child is born supernaturally. Put into psychological language, we know that before a time of outstanding activity in the unconscious, there is a tendency toward a long period of complete passivity. It is, for instance, a normal condition in the creative personality that before some new piece of work in art or a scientific idea breaks through, people usually pass through a period of listlessness and depression and waiting; life is stale. If one analyzes them, one sees that the energy is meanwhile accumulating in the unconscious. [..] So these periods of sterility mean that something specific is in preparation in the unconscious.

Even though this refers to the creative process, it seemed relevant here. I was feeling listless and depressed and I think I was trying too hard to push through it. Now I have more respect for unconscious processes and know to go slowly and let things happen when the time is right!

I notice that sharing stuff also disables the programs to some degree. The more I share the less power the programs/predator has. The voices too are allot less for me over the years and even more so since I have joined this forum. Clearing/cleaning up our psyches is what I think contributes to that... I could be wrong though.

Anyways, I really relate to these comments, thanx to all of you for sharing. The feeling of not being alone in this is so powerful. I specially relate to how people dont spend as much time thinking about me as I do thinking about them, thinking about me. That and how people showed that they like me when they dont. The whole idea of how I can know what others are thinking, strikes me as arrogance, projection and self importance.... not to mention, I`m not a mind reader. Nor do I need to waste my time on these thoughts. Thanx again for sharing.

I can relate to these comments as well - it is still so hard for me to share. The "family taboo" against asking for help or sharing my feelings with people outside the family is still a program I am dealing with as well as the program that I won't be accepted. :( But I have noticed that when I am able to overcome that, it makes it easier going forward. And it helps so much when others share because I realize I am not alone in my experiences and I feel a sense of being supported here.

 

[anart]

I can relate to these comments as well - it is still so hard for me to share. The "family taboo" against asking for help or sharing my feelings with people outside the family is still a program I am dealing with as well as the program that I won't be accepted. :( But I have noticed that when I am able to overcome that, it makes it easier going forward. And it helps so much when others share because I realize I am not alone in my experiences and I feel a sense of being supported here.

That's understandable - and you are accepted here. I think a part of you knows that already, now you just have to get all of you on board! One step at a time.

 

[ursula]

Aleana, Harold and Hesper, thank you for you postings.
I know very well what you are describing.
And your words motivate me to share and show more of me.

Here is my update from yesterday's EE session.
During the three-stage breathing I got a warm feeling and soft vibration in my chest.
Then, when I started with the Beatha part I was very relaxed. I always do this part laying.
Then I noticed that I start zoning. My first impulse was to stay awake and concentrate on the breathing. But it didn't work.
And the next thing I remember is that I heard Laura's voice saying "Divine Cosmic Mind bless you all".
Until now I never experienced zoning during the Beatha part, only during the meditation.
I've read in the EE quick guide that zoing is a good sign that something happens.
After the session I did not feel good. I was angry and felt sad.
Also today I feel sad and depressed without any reason.

 

[ursula]

Hello chaps23,

How do I do this exercise EE with out having any expectations on what I will get out of it now that I have read into it? I have been reading all these comments from people and there experiences and I now I feel that when I'm doing it I'm going to be blocked from experiencing the deeper aspects of this exercise due to expecting to get things out of it.

I mean its easy said to keep an open mind but to be honest with this situation and reading so much I believe I will struggle. (I also believe that here in lies my problem) How can one change beliefs when I am constantly adding mass to the issue by reading even more of other peoples experiences? I am even looking at the situation understanding that it will be unique to me, but I cant help but think to expect what others have got out of this. :( Frustrating... although the answer may be clear to some of you it is not as yet visible to me so please feel free to write down your thoughts regarding.

It seems to me that you are trying to hard.
Keep in mind that there is nothing to achieve. Your body and your subconscious knows what to do. :)
I would suggest you to stop comparing with others. Everyone has its own speed and way.
And as you said. Just because you don't see or notice anything does not mean that there is nothing happening.

Will continuous practice assist me in this? I understand how my expectations will restrict what information I receive, and am simply looking at ways/ methods during perhaps meditation before hand that may allow me to forget these expectations before I practice EE

My experience is that there are times/days where it is easy for me to be open minded, relaxed and I do not try to push me.
And sometimes I can't stop thinking and having expectation.
With more practice it will be easier for you to relax.

 

[Harold]

I have to finally share something about the EE program as it applies to me. In the beginning I only did POTS for afew weeks. Then for a couple of months I only added the 3 stage breathing. It wasn't something I read I was supposed to do, just did. When I finally started doing the full program afew days a week I did't notice any strong reactions that were 'out of the ordinary' in my day to day behaviour.

There have been family or business/work issues that often came up but I generally kept calm.I find the full EE very soothing and regenerating.

So I'm sometimes wandering if I'm missing something in subtleties. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough or being objective enough in analysing my actions and thoughts.Anyway , just something that's been on my mind about EE lately. I have read though, that depending on what one's issues are and wounding it may be more shocking for some than others. Not wishful thinking, but maybe a possibility when I recall that most of my life I have spent analysing why I think what I think and where it has taken me, and in that way ameliorated the possible impact of the BaHa.(As in 'I have seen it all before just could't put a name to it')

Hope this hasn't turned into a rant, just asking for others' take on my experience.

It dosn`t sound like a rant to me Stellar. It does sound like you may be compairing your experience to others experiences. For some time I thought maybe I was not getting the most out of EE as I did not `zone`out. I put it out of mind and focused on having a good technique with my constrictions, sitting properly, trying different positions like laying down, crossing my legs, belly breathing properly etc. Lately I have been `zoning` out but still I don`t give it much thought, it is interesting and I try to share with the forum as suggested. EE is so subtle, that is the great part of it. It is so simple compaired to so many other types of breathing and meditating techniques. I can easily see how someone might think they are doing something wrong. Wrong may be a innappropriate word but I wondered the same as you at times. I just try to enjoy the experience and work on my constrictions and pay attention to the sensation`s I get. If I can feel a calming in my legs shins and soles of my feet I am content with that as it is useful in daily relaxation or in stressful situations... so enjoy!

 

[chaps23]

Thanks UPs for your well thought out response,

I will attempt to relax, perhaps an hour or so of meditation before hand. I am quite an anxious person and now that I think about it... Its probably (mostly due to the fact that I am new at this.) Patience is a virtue I long to possess but I'm sure it will all come with time.

I always look to far into things it is both a blessing and a curse but I would not be where I am now spiritually if I wasn't. Thanks for all your help.

 

[beetlemaniac]

A little off topic but still in re: to the EE program-

How do I do this exercise EE with out having any expectations on what I will get out of it now that I have read into it? I have been reading all these comments from people and there experiences and I now I feel that when Im doing it I'm going to be blocked from experiencing the deeper aspects of this exercise due to expecting to get things out of it.

I mean its easy said to keep an open mind but to be honest with this situation and reading so much I believe I will struggle. (I also believe that here in lies my problem) How can one change beliefs when I am constantly adding mass to the issue by reading even more of other peoples experiences? I am even looking at the situation understanding that it will be unique to me, but I cant help but think to expect what others have got out of this. :( Frustrating... although the answer may be clear to some of you it is not as yet visible to me so please feel free to write down your thoughts regarding.

I really think that it's just mental activity that is giving you these feelings, probably just parts of the Predator's Mind. If you try to feel your body's sensations, feel that you are your body, you are an embodied self, you will be able to reap much benefit from EE. It's a return to your roots in some way, away from the pain that is caused by an overactive mind. So the issues of 'beliefs' and 'too much information' just melt away as you get into your body. It's important to let the thoughts pass and not react to them during the stages of EE. Most of the first stage of 3-stage breathing seem to me to be about letting the thoughts just move through you and not investing any energy in tending to them. Then as you go through the next stages there is usually a progressively increased state of relaxation. It may not happen all the time this way though, but try not to give thoughts as much attention as you would normally, and instead, give your body the attention it deserves, since the body is you, and you are your body!

Will continuos practice assist me in this? I understand how my expectations will restrict what information I recieve, and am simply looking at ways/ methods during perhaps meditation before hand that may allow me to forget these expectations before I practice EE

Yes, I think it will help a whole lot. Do the full program twice a week. I made the mistake of doing it every day and I think life may have become a bit of an emotional burden. As you learn to inhabit your body and release yourself from thoughts, without getting upset or consciously 'thought-stopping,' just letting them pass, it will become more and more natural and less of a chore, I think. For me, when my own thoughts became of less importance, I started enjoying EE more. So maybe it will be the same for you.

 

[cubbex]

Hi to all. Well I think I'm living some desintegration this period of time -by gods sake- I'm just being beaten by some energy in my daily life and have to endure one of the hardest inner battles. This is kind of a test of strenght because I've seen the consecuences of my assumptions combined with negatives emotions, learning from past experiences I won't have tolerance for me LOL but I am so inconsistent that I do it without forcing myself, like letting all flow, living the present. Its really hard to work with your heart, some months ago I just put to sleep my heart because I thought it was the best thing to do and believed that I was doing good, and well... no emotions at all, cold as an iceberg, until... things happened and understand that I was just like a ghost floating around. So made a decision to wake up my emotions again and this happened when I asked what love is, events happened blablabla and then working again on me became my actual homework.

I am doing EE to help me in this actual problem, without the Ba-ha. I feel I am on the edge, I don't think I'll be able to control myself doing BA-HA.

I said this is like a test of strenght cause my predator lie to me, creates negative feelings, or some negative feeling tries suggest my mind and thoughts. So this is in some part good because I observe really close parts of my being acting by themselves, and analogically because I am working with Mr. Hyde to be me the driver, he causes problems I suffer the consecuences, and I'm tired of it. So I hadn't this problem before, but right now I need to face this huge dragon or monster in control, it has never happened in this way and when I just hold the thought or feeling in its place so to speak then I feel my body burn, like human torch, it is just amazing how my body synchronize with my mind.

Doing the program these days helps me to learn better and think better, and sometimes helps me to be myself saving me of identify with everything. It feels like and adventure, sometimes fun, sometimes you are on unknown places, and deal with horrible monsters as described in some myths, so appart of having problems with my inner kid is like having the opportunity to experience those uncomon feelings that sometimes appear and help you to broad your vision. As... sometimes I feel I should never ever had to ask what this world is about, because I arrived to an adventure sometimes I can't handle, losing my curiosity I loved. Curiosity killed the cat.

 

[chaps23]

Thankyou beetlemaniac,

Very inspiring, I will definately take this onboard. The old "practice make perfect" saying springs to mind.

I am extremely appreciative of the time and energy you put into that responce, Lets see where this program takes me.

I have also just thought about my current diet not being as good as it should be, (still consuming gluten & lactose) I am in the process of improving my diet which may overall increase the benefiets gained out of EE- I really need to just stop complaining and change my life! ha ha.