Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[JAKSUN]

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

If only, Laura, my wishes would be fulfilled, but I feel I am probably suited to a more supportive, rather than an active role in teaching/leading. At the beginning of Eiriu Eolas on this forum, I really wanted to spread the word - how missionary of me - but I do still try every opportunity I get, to introduce the concept of E.E. to my loved ones and all could definitely use it - the time will come for some of them I pray. When it does I stand ready and willing. 'til then, I continue my own practice, resting in the knowledge that my 'work' can only but effect my world and those that abide therein - entry by the unguarded window, like a thief in the night.

Just one other thing I have noticed with the breathing program - I am unable to listen to songs with vocal content any more - most of them make me feel too sad, and the others are full of STS lyrics and make me angry. Music is wonderful, has always been my friend - thankfully, jazz is fed nonstop on our digital network so I can listen to that in the background.

 

[Buddy]

Apologies if I'm misunderstanding something, and I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see Laura's question in terms of a teacher/student thing, even though the word 'teach' was used. I see it as more like demonstrating and offering suggestions if necessary. In fact, I'm more inept than adept at anything in this Work, but I still like the idea.

I read the question carefully and the idea that came to my mind was a side/social activity. Kind of like when Don Juan was leading regular prayer meetings with his fellow servants as a purposeful side task while engaged in his Aim of confronting his petty tyrant while under Don Genaro's tutelage.



[quote author=jacksun]
Think in these terms - separation is an illusion, time is an illusion, distance is an illusion, so there is no going to or coming from. Levels are discrete constructs relative to perception - they do not exist. There is only One, All. Divine Cosmic Mind. Here and Now in me and in you, if the term 'in' can be used at all.[/quote]

[quote author=jacksun]
As I understand it, any attempt to see ourselves as individuals, somehow separate from the Universe(multiverse) is an error of STS proportions - yes we are multi-level and multi-dimensional beings in practice, and we are not in reality. Any idea of a separate existence and inhabiting certain 'levels' are illusions reinforced by the STS forces living in our socks. You are welcome to them if that is your wish, but I am not fooled - Oh thou holy awareness in all creation.[/quote]

Unless I'm mistaken, this sounds like the familiar patter of the esoteric pedant. I think I would know because I've been one. :)


[quote author=jacksun]
If only, Laura, my wishes would be fulfilled, but I feel I am probably suited to a more supportive, rather than an active role in teaching/leading.[/quote]

Supporters are valued as well. No need to feel bad. ;)



--Edit: I'm not particularly proud of that last comment I made. It looks like it sounds like sarcasm or something. Apologies if it's taken as offensive.

 

[Evolutionary1]

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

Like many others have expressed, though I have been using E-E since its release and feel comfortable with the techniques, a part of me wonders if I am far enough along in the Work to really be helpful. I do think, though, that I could describe and facilitate the learning of this program with some structural guidance and the help of this network. Generally, I am pretty good at conveying ideas once I've wrapped my mind around them, and if this is sufficient I think I am up for it. In short, I'd love to try!

One question I have at the moment, though, is concerning the ba-ha portion of the breathing: How relevant is the posture used during this portion? I am under the impression that it is meant to be done sitting up (or at least with the spine erect) but, often, when I am physically fatigued, I do it laying down. It may be a coincidence or imagination, but I feel like the experience is more intense sitting up, more gentle laying down. Sometimes I feel that it is too easy laying down, though, and that I am avoiding discomfort at the expense of effectiveness. I will alternate positions for further observation but I'd like and will consider any other feedback concerning this. Any ideas?

Anyway...how exciting! I am very grateful for this network, Eiriu Eolas, and Laura and the QFG--all of your sincere efforts to help mean so very much to me. I feel like knowing people like you all are out there is helping me to build the courage to care about something beyond myself and my own self preservation--and it is a wonderful feeling! Thank you.

Yours, Danielle.

 

[wanderer]

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

I used to lead meditation groups and kirtans (devotional chanting). I would love to serve others in this way, with your guidance.

 

[aragorn]

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

Count me in...when do we start? ;)

I'm sure I could assist in teaching the breathing techniques. I'm not very experienced in meditation (have done some "Reiki meditation" and "breathing meditation" for a few years, and now EE) but with some guidance I think I could assist in this field also.

 

[NSD]

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

I could guide someone in the beginning, and once i said my friend that we can do breathing, she knows that i do breathing and think that breathing is great, my girlfriend don't want that she still think that i am in wrong way or that this is some kind of kult so that didn't happen i do it still alone. Maybe that would change.

 

[Evolutionary1]

Hi all! First, I'd like to note an interesting sensation experienced most often and intensely during meditation for the last 6 weeks or so: I do notice some pulsing in the forehead, but more often and more strongly I experience a heaviness on the bridge of my nose...it feels like the residual sensation after being hit on the nose with a more enduring, pulsating quality. Anyone else noticed this?

Also, I find that when I am pondering a question/subject/issue and am too lazy or insecure to bring it to the forum, often someone else addresses or proposes what I seek to understand or I find relevant info in older posts when I wasn't actively looking for it. I find these posts sometimes from searching the forum on a whim, but most often in this thread. So thanks to all for your insights andyour inquiries, they help a lot!

For instance, although I cannot find the thread now, someone recently asked about seeing energy/shimmering in the sky since starting the program. I have been trying to see energy since reading the Celestine Prophecy years ago and I am still working on it. And I've been wishing to ask about it for a little while now.

I have noticed for a few years a sort of vortexing flow when I look at the sky if the light and my focus is right and it is everywhere I focus, one flow flowing into another flow with no clear boundaries. It reminds me of the way glossy paint might look as a metallic paint was poured into it...not a circular or neat pattern, but a pattern all the same. I hope this is decipherable...

Later, I noticed a shimmering--not always--and almost always what has been described as orgone which tends to move with the eyes' focus (it looks like 2D bubbles with a dot in the center and is often connected in a chain like molecules) but this could be residue on the surface of the eyes I think, though I've read that they are digestible "energy" packets and can be "directed" which is a possible theory for why they move this way. I have also pretty clearly seen the yellowish glow around objects/people commonly known as the etheric body/template.

My main curiosity lies in the fact that I am starting to see these more and more easily and clearly lately when I'm not actually trying. It could be from years of practice, sometimes intense but more often sporadic, but I wonder if others have noticed this developing naturally, maybe as a result of the Work or the breathing? It reminds me of Laura's experience of seeing the competition for energy within group dynamics (people eating people) when waiting to pick up one of her kids as described in the Adventure Series, if I remember correctly.

Anyway, just curious :) thanks for listening.

 

[shellycheval]

I could facilitate a small group of interested people in the EE breathing and meditation by presenting Laura's excellent instructions. The details she gives in the videos/CDs would make my part that of facilitator to her teachings. I have been teaching at the community college level for 17 years and have had enough feedback from students over the years to indicate that I have been more helpful than not. Since the 70s I've studied yoga, yoga breathing, and meditation on and off. Years ago I was also the leader of weekly 12 step co-dependents anonymous meetings which taught me a lot about interacting with people in a lot of psychological and emotional pain. Also a good friend of mine is moving to this area in December--she is a certified yoga instructor and intends to open a studio. She is very in tune with many SOTT ideals although still a little too new-agey; I intend to introduce her to the EE program when it is appropriate. How can I be of service?
shellycheval

 

[Iron]

No way I can do something like that right now... im still too "green" in the practice.

On another note, perhaps the real question is how do you promote a program that can cause serious emotional distress? Yes, to clear things up and promote well being, but in your culture of prosac and fast answers how do you pass along something that requires patience and perseverance?

We can only try anyway... so whomever is meant to do the program will stick with it.

I think the instructional videos will eventually draw more people to the program.

 

[Beorn]

On another note, perhaps the real question is how do you promote a program that can cause serious emotional distress? Yes, to clear things up and promote well being, but in your culture of prosac and fast answers how do you pass along something that requires patience and perseverance?

I'm not sure if promotion was mentioned. I think it is ok to share with people what you are doing and give them an opportunity to be interested. In my case, I mentioned to a friend who organises a small meditation group of 5 or 6 people that I was doing a breathing/meditation program. I told him how effective it was for cleansing the emotions and an opportunity was given to share this with the group. I was waiting to see how I coped with the program first but Laura's question drew it out of me.

I'm still not sure if:
1) the people in the group are ready or
2) whether I want to take on the responsibility of helping people through any difficulties they may have with the program.

On the other hand I think sharing/teaching is a great way to learn how to be concerned about people. You have to focus on their needs and find a way to help them along the next step of their path. Training for STO I guess.

I figure showing someone how to do belly breathing and then providing an opportunity to watch the training video can't do much harm. OSIT. After all it is up to each individual to decide what they want to do.

 

[RedFox]

Hi all! First, I'd like to note an interesting sensation experienced most often and intensely during meditation for the last 6 weeks or so: I do notice some pulsing in the forehead, but more often and more strongly I experience a heaviness on the bridge of my nose...it feels like the residual sensation after being hit on the nose with a more enduring, pulsating quality. Anyone else noticed this?

Yes, quite a lot of people have been reporting this. Its discussed the thread The Prayer of the Soul, Meditation and the Pineal Gland. :)

I'd like to add a new observation, specifically in responce to the So much to do, so little time thread.
I have noticed more and more so over the last few days (although the last few weeks more subtly) experiencing an abundance of time. It is not stable and mostly fleeting, but I have had many moment now where I have done many things (such as housework) that would normally take 30/40minutes, taking me 5/10minutes.....I usually double take when I look at the clock ....I've even checked against other clocks in case the batteries where low.
It certainly is a wow moment when it happens, because I find it hard to believe sometimes how little time/effort things took compared to 'normal'.
I've been neglecting my reading (of books) lately so I don't know yet if it applies to this too, however I do seem to be able to read/post more here in less time??
Will report back if I notice any more of this.

On another note, perhaps the real question is how do you promote a program that can cause serious emotional distress? Yes, to clear things up and promote well being, but in your culture of prosac and fast answers how do you pass along something that requires patience and perseverance?

I tend to agree with this....and without being pessimistic (hopefully just covering points of attack here, please stop me if I am being negative), how would one prevent/cover being sued for 'emotional damage'?
Despite this and being nervous about the potential for teaching/facilitating E-E group programs personally (if its so requested I'd like detailed guidance too), I find the idea extremely hopeful :)

On those lines....did anyone else notice a counterbalance when they read this? Like two sides of a chess board lining up?
When sceptics fight back (against conspiracy "theories")

 

[ava]

It is so strange how many times something comes to my mind, and then few hours later, when I come to forum, discover something similar is just being discussed.

Anyway, maybe in the last week or two I introduced the subject of importance of breathing to few of my closest friends that began to experience physical problems due to stress. I was really reluctant to mention details, so sticked to belly breathing, gave some info how they can check if they use diaphragm or not, and noted it can certainly do them no harm if they tried to do it from time to time.
And just today (I wasn't following this thread for few days) the thought came how perhaps it wouldn't be that much of interference in their free will (since they were really interested in the whole breathing thing) even if I introduced them to pipe breath too (i.e. first part of the record with Laura explaining and counting).
So I was just about to ask the question do you think it would be ok? (I am still not certain, but somehow got the impression from the discussion it would be, but not being certain relates to the fact I didn't quite understand if the whole discussion was about people in general or just forum members).

And to note, I've been doing the whole program for about 4 weeks now (at least 3 times a week or more). Wasn't reporting anything cause I experienced problems that were already sufficiently covered by other members, and even though I am no expert, think I'm in good enough terms at least with technical part to be able to explain it to other people (didn't have prior experience in breathing, yoga, meditation or likewise, but tend to be good in presenting and teaching in general).

 

[Richs]

I notice that many of you have past experiences with meditation and breathing and are able to help those who don't. Also, others are learning very fast - seem to have a knack for figuring things out and then explaining to others and helping them. How many of you think you would be able to teach the techniques and lead/moderate group breathing and meditations in person?

I do think, though, that I could describe and facilitate the learning of this program with some structural guidance and the help of this network. Generally, I am pretty good at conveying ideas once I've wrapped my mind around them, and if this is sufficient I think I am up for it. In short, I'd love to try!

Anyway...how exciting! I am very grateful for this network, Eiriu Eolas, and Laura and the QFG--all of your sincere efforts to help mean so very much to me. I feel like knowing people like you all are out there is helping me to build the courage to care about something beyond myself and my own self preservation--and it is a wonderful feeling! Thank you.

Yours, Danielle.

I think it would also be a wonderful feeling for others to find that we also care enough about them to help them learn the EE techniques.
I have always enjoyed sharing what I have learned with others, and it has also been that much I have learned has been due to the efforts of many people to share with me what they themselves have learned.

I agree with the idea that many others here have stated that it is not so much 'teaching' as sharing what we have learned with other people who would also like to know, learn and grow themselves, and would be happy to share these things with others.

 

[Brenda86]

Quote from RedFox:

I'd like to add a new observation, specifically in responce to the So much to do, so little time thread.
I have noticed more and more so over the last few days (although the last few weeks more subtly) experiencing an abundance of time. It is not stable and mostly fleeting, but I have had many moment now where I have done many things (such as housework) that would normally take 30/40minutes, taking me 5/10minutes.....I usually double take when I look at the clock Huh?....I've even checked against other clocks in case the batteries where low.
It certainly is a wow moment when it happens, because I find it hard to believe sometimes how little time/effort things took compared to 'normal'.
I've been neglecting my reading (of books) lately so I don't know yet if it applies to this too, however I do seem to be able to read/post more here in less time??
Will report back if I notice any more of this.

I've had very similar experiences. I just moved and when my mom and sister were out of the house I managed to unpack almost everything within maybe an hour... Something that I know would have taken me much longer. It's more like I am able to stay focused on the task at hand. Because when I am reading I am also finding it easier to stay focused and I feel like I am retaining more of the information than usual, as well.

I'd also like to note this quote from jacksun:

"The vagus nerve helps to regulate the heart beat, control muscle movement, keep a person breathing, and to transmit a variety of chemicals through the body. It is also responsible for keeping the digestive tract in working order, contracting the muscles of the stomach and intestines to help process food, and sending back information about what is being digested and what the body is getting out of it."

I note this because I used to have severe digestive problems (I've never had it diagnosed but I've always called it IBS) that sometimes would be so bad it interfered with daily activities... Since I've been doing to breathing program, I have not had any digestive problems that I can think of. In fact, it's so unusual for me that I'm almost on pins and needles waiting for the problem to come back. :/

 

[Iron]

I'm not sure if promotion was mentioned. I think it is ok to share with people what you are doing and give them an opportunity to be interested. In my case, I mentioned to a friend who organises a small meditation group of 5 or 6 people that I was doing a breathing/meditation program. I told him how effective it was for cleansing the emotions and an opportunity was given to share this with the group. I was waiting to see how I coped with the program first but Laura's question drew it out of me.

I'm still not sure if:
1) the people in the group are ready or
2) whether I want to take on the responsibility of helping people through any difficulties they may have with the program.

On the other hand I think sharing/teaching is a great way to learn how to be concerned about people. You have to focus on their needs and find a way to help them along the next step of their path. Training for STO I guess.

I figure showing someone how to do belly breathing and then providing an opportunity to watch the training video can't do much harm. OSIT. After all it is up to each individual to decide what they want to do.

Actually my wording was poor, I thought in the lines of passing along the breathing technique and not in great promotion/advertisement... why I did use the word promotion is beyond me.
Maybe I was tired, maybe It was something else more worrisome.

Anyway, I agree with you, in that sharing on a person to person basis, and more videos like knowledge and being will eventually draw more people that asked for it to the position to experience the program!

Apart from that I really dont know... my thinking is not working very well today.