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Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program
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Hi all,
After along spell of quiet, I had some interesting experiences in the last breathing session. I usually do it before bed, and as it was really late, I only did the pipe breath and the meditation.
As the POTS started, I was really concerned about trying to feel the words as others have mentioned. This was doubly on my mind as I had just read something kenlee posted on the formatory part of the centres. So here I go trying to feel the prayer, and suddenly I remembered a time when I had been admonished, "Stop thinking mechanically!" I started to cry because the answer came "I don't know how!" (even remembering it now, I'm tearing up). Then the crying got stronger and stronger and my whole body was just shaking and vibrating in waves that seemed to originate from the solar plexus. To see it, it probably looked almost orgasmic, but there wasn't a whiff of sexuality about it. Just a kind of visceral despair that I will never be able to transcend the limits of my thinking patterns.
It went on for quite a while, as I actually restarted the Prayer part just to hear Laura's voice and then let it play through to the end of the music section. I did have enough control that I could stop the shaking, but it would have stopped whatever was releasing, so I just let it go. After a while, all the emotion seemed to be wrung out of me. The shaking still went on, so maybe there was a lot of deep physical tension being moved out too. I have had a lot of upheaval in my life in the last two months that have required major amounts of self-control.
So I don't know know what to make of it all. I woke up this morning fairly tired but yet more relaxed. It's almost like my skin isn't so "taut". Think of taking off a too-tight unitard. It will be interesting to see what develops as time goes on.
Herondancer
After along spell of quiet, I had some interesting experiences in the last breathing session. I usually do it before bed, and as it was really late, I only did the pipe breath and the meditation.
As the POTS started, I was really concerned about trying to feel the words as others have mentioned. This was doubly on my mind as I had just read something kenlee posted on the formatory part of the centres. So here I go trying to feel the prayer, and suddenly I remembered a time when I had been admonished, "Stop thinking mechanically!" I started to cry because the answer came "I don't know how!" (even remembering it now, I'm tearing up). Then the crying got stronger and stronger and my whole body was just shaking and vibrating in waves that seemed to originate from the solar plexus. To see it, it probably looked almost orgasmic, but there wasn't a whiff of sexuality about it. Just a kind of visceral despair that I will never be able to transcend the limits of my thinking patterns.
It went on for quite a while, as I actually restarted the Prayer part just to hear Laura's voice and then let it play through to the end of the music section. I did have enough control that I could stop the shaking, but it would have stopped whatever was releasing, so I just let it go. After a while, all the emotion seemed to be wrung out of me. The shaking still went on, so maybe there was a lot of deep physical tension being moved out too. I have had a lot of upheaval in my life in the last two months that have required major amounts of self-control.
So I don't know know what to make of it all. I woke up this morning fairly tired but yet more relaxed. It's almost like my skin isn't so "taut". Think of taking off a too-tight unitard. It will be interesting to see what develops as time goes on.
Herondancer
Hi all,
I have a bit of concern about my practice of the EE program that I want to ask. Since it came out, I have been doing it regularly but didn't notice much changes in myself. So after section 13 Sept 2009, I thought I would try to speed it up by doing the full program everyday. What then happened was that I zoned out much more often when doing it. In fact, for every night in the last 10 days or so, I would zone out (or fall sleeping as the case may be) just when the meditation part starts and only wake up in the middle of the night and find the audio still playing in my ears. A few times I didn't even make it through the full round breathing portion. Aside from this, I also have dreams almost every night, mainly of the dramatic sorts like fighting or running from something. It is similar to a period when I was 5-6 when I also had dark dreams very often. However, this time I don't feel afraid when I wake up.
What I'd like to ask is whether anyone experience the increased zoning out, and whether it is a good thing or not. As far as I can see, there's no negative effect and I feel more peaceful and able to cope better during the day. But I just want to be sure. I also miss hearing the POTS. Thanks.
I have a bit of concern about my practice of the EE program that I want to ask. Since it came out, I have been doing it regularly but didn't notice much changes in myself. So after section 13 Sept 2009, I thought I would try to speed it up by doing the full program everyday. What then happened was that I zoned out much more often when doing it. In fact, for every night in the last 10 days or so, I would zone out (or fall sleeping as the case may be) just when the meditation part starts and only wake up in the middle of the night and find the audio still playing in my ears. A few times I didn't even make it through the full round breathing portion. Aside from this, I also have dreams almost every night, mainly of the dramatic sorts like fighting or running from something. It is similar to a period when I was 5-6 when I also had dark dreams very often. However, this time I don't feel afraid when I wake up.
What I'd like to ask is whether anyone experience the increased zoning out, and whether it is a good thing or not. As far as I can see, there's no negative effect and I feel more peaceful and able to cope better during the day. But I just want to be sure. I also miss hearing the POTS. Thanks.
wanderer
Jedi
Bobo08 said:
There is a point in the process of going into a deep meditative state where you either go up to a higher level of consciousness or or down into the subconscious (zoning, sleeping). In Zen monasteries there is a monk who patrols the room with a wooden paddle and smacks anyone in a state of "sleepitation" to wake them up. You have to learn to recognize that moment and make the right choice. Meditating while lying down makes you particularly prone to falling asleep since your body is conditioned to sleep when when you assume that position. The position of the eyes is important. Straight ahead is normal waking consciousness, up (to the third eye spot on the forehead) is higher consciousness, down is subconsciousness. Try to keep your gaze focused slightly upward and don't let it drop down. It's something you'll have to struggle with, but if you've progressed far enough in just a few months that you've reached that point, you're doing great!
RedFox said:
Brenda86 said:
mada85 said:
anya said:
I've also been experiencing what you've all described. I have an overall elevated mood, more stable than before starting the EE program, retain more of what I read, have less anxiety about lack of time and so much to do and learn, etc. An extraordinary calmness has come over me for more than a month now which seems to have slowed down the passage of time. I used to wonder how Laura did so much: she cooks, reads and writes libraries worth of material, is by far the most active on the forum, etc. I used to jokingly think she must have 48 hours in HER day rather than just 24 like the rest of us. But now I think it must have something to do with her having done this program many years ago, removed many emotional blockages, and reaped the benefits of this program that we are just beginning to now.
I feel I'm one of "the lucky ones" in terms of having the emotional cleansing happening slowly and gently. Also as mentioned by mada85, I can more easily endure the "displeasing manifestations of others." Finally, I am more able and look forward to interact in many different situations with what life presents, being more open to possiblities than ever before, I think. It feels like I'm obsessing less about time and many other things, and as a result, am able to do more in less time, and it even seems, with less effort.
I thank Laura, the QFG, and all of this network for helping so much, there is just no way of expressing my gratitude verbally.
As far as Laura's question, I have next to no experience with meditation and breathing before I started EE. But, depending on what the specific circumstances she has in mind, with guidance and support, I would love to be able to help as many people as possible.
knowledge_of_self
The Living Force
I just wanted to make a few quick notes and ask a question.
I've been doing the breathing exercises and the meditation as often as I can. Tonight, while I was reading the forum I got a very bad migraine and so I went to bed to try and sleep it off. I could not sleep because the pain was so strong so I decided to do the meditation. By the time I got to the Baha portion of the program, the headache was just a tingling.
While doing the baha portion I usually feel this burning sensation in my nose, that feels like you have vicks medicine under your nose. But tonight for the first time, I didn't feel it at all. I was sitting on my bed while doing the breathing exercise and by the time the baha portion was finished I felt like I was about to fall over from relaxation/exhaustion. I remember wondering, I wonder when this part is going to end, and Laura goes... "Annnd relax... you may wish to lay down" I was thinking Yay meditation time!I just layed back and put the blanket over me and began doing the meditation. I didn't cover my arms with the blanket this time cause I usually get pretty hot, and need to throw the blanket away.. but by the time the pots portion was finished, my arms felt like they were freezing and I needed to move to get them under cover but I was so numb. After a few minutes I put my arms under the blanket and that pretty much brought me out of the meditation. But I took a nap much easier because the migraine was gone.
During the POTS portion, I don't have too much trouble focusing on the words and the music. Sometimes if I'm really tierd I just fall asleep before Laura stops, but most of the time it's somewhere within the music time. I haven't had anymore emotional outbursts at all.. which I find kind of strainge, but I try not to focus on that. I just try and do it with no expectations and just to become 'one' with my 'being'. Like tonight, during the baha portion, i pictured myself mentally breathing out my migraine and it seemed to have worked!
Just one last thing is a quick question regarding how most people meditate. Because I usually meditate lying straight on my back but after a while I feel really really stiff like I need to shift my body. When that sensation gets a better of me, I usually snap out of the meditation.. turn off the music and go to sleep, having shifted my body. But I just wonder, how do you deal with the needing to shift your body sensation? Is it like needing to scratch your nose? Like it's a battle of will?
I've been doing the breathing exercises and the meditation as often as I can. Tonight, while I was reading the forum I got a very bad migraine and so I went to bed to try and sleep it off. I could not sleep because the pain was so strong so I decided to do the meditation. By the time I got to the Baha portion of the program, the headache was just a tingling.
While doing the baha portion I usually feel this burning sensation in my nose, that feels like you have vicks medicine under your nose. But tonight for the first time, I didn't feel it at all. I was sitting on my bed while doing the breathing exercise and by the time the baha portion was finished I felt like I was about to fall over from relaxation/exhaustion. I remember wondering, I wonder when this part is going to end, and Laura goes... "Annnd relax... you may wish to lay down" I was thinking Yay meditation time!I just layed back and put the blanket over me and began doing the meditation. I didn't cover my arms with the blanket this time cause I usually get pretty hot, and need to throw the blanket away.. but by the time the pots portion was finished, my arms felt like they were freezing and I needed to move to get them under cover but I was so numb. After a few minutes I put my arms under the blanket and that pretty much brought me out of the meditation. But I took a nap much easier because the migraine was gone.
During the POTS portion, I don't have too much trouble focusing on the words and the music. Sometimes if I'm really tierd I just fall asleep before Laura stops, but most of the time it's somewhere within the music time. I haven't had anymore emotional outbursts at all.. which I find kind of strainge, but I try not to focus on that. I just try and do it with no expectations and just to become 'one' with my 'being'. Like tonight, during the baha portion, i pictured myself mentally breathing out my migraine and it seemed to have worked!
Just one last thing is a quick question regarding how most people meditate. Because I usually meditate lying straight on my back but after a while I feel really really stiff like I need to shift my body. When that sensation gets a better of me, I usually snap out of the meditation.. turn off the music and go to sleep, having shifted my body. But I just wonder, how do you deal with the needing to shift your body sensation? Is it like needing to scratch your nose? Like it's a battle of will?
truth seeker
The Living Force
D Rusak said:
Referring to the Positive Dissociation thread and Crazy vision/ dream I had/poem thread
I find this so interesting.
When we listen to music, I think that we dissociate in some way and this dissociation makes us think about things.
It depends though which music you're listening.
Don't you think more Open when you listen to a relax song or that song that you just love? Same with movies, I guess, or games, just as Laura mentioned.
With Open I mean; you think about everything. All that you've read and experienced, the Universe, you just think about it all and unconsciously you kind of try to connect these things to what you see outside for example if you are listening to music in the train while you're looking out of the window. You see a cow, but by listening to this music, you start to see this cow much differently, as if you're seeing it with different eyes (based on your current, well let's say, knowledge) etc.
I always wondered why. It's as if music opens a door of some kind.
But now, people seem to think Open without listening to music (I think) (not that people couldn't before, but maybe that it happens more regularly?) And I think that that might be because of the EE program and also depends on the person I guess.
Well, there is another thing that I love about the Prayer of the Soul part of the program. I was sitting in the tram and listening to it (and of course being vigilant at the same time) and as I was looking outside, all kind of thoughts were going through my mind, not chaotic though, but hmm.. more openly and free.
I remember stepping off the tram, I remember walking to the train, because I was listening to the Prayer and it made me aware of what I was doing and at the same time I could also think about everything I was seeing and trying to connect it to what I've learned.
The Prayer of the Soul, Laura's voice, makes me aware and enables me to think Open while being aware. The Prayer helps me to self-remember. How powerful is that?
It's important though to ALWAYS be careful. So I don't want to advice people to go listening to the Prayer when they're crossing a street.
I didn't cross a street, just listened to it in the tram and the small walk from tram to station (no crossing).
Btw. I already know that I'm going to love to hear Laura singing! :)
Thank you All for All..
I find this so interesting.
When we listen to music, I think that we dissociate in some way and this dissociation makes us think about things.
It depends though which music you're listening.
Don't you think more Open when you listen to a relax song or that song that you just love? Same with movies, I guess, or games, just as Laura mentioned.
With Open I mean; you think about everything. All that you've read and experienced, the Universe, you just think about it all and unconsciously you kind of try to connect these things to what you see outside for example if you are listening to music in the train while you're looking out of the window. You see a cow, but by listening to this music, you start to see this cow much differently, as if you're seeing it with different eyes (based on your current, well let's say, knowledge) etc.
I always wondered why. It's as if music opens a door of some kind.
But now, people seem to think Open without listening to music (I think) (not that people couldn't before, but maybe that it happens more regularly?) And I think that that might be because of the EE program and also depends on the person I guess.
Well, there is another thing that I love about the Prayer of the Soul part of the program. I was sitting in the tram and listening to it (and of course being vigilant at the same time) and as I was looking outside, all kind of thoughts were going through my mind, not chaotic though, but hmm.. more openly and free.
I remember stepping off the tram, I remember walking to the train, because I was listening to the Prayer and it made me aware of what I was doing and at the same time I could also think about everything I was seeing and trying to connect it to what I've learned.
The Prayer of the Soul, Laura's voice, makes me aware and enables me to think Open while being aware. The Prayer helps me to self-remember. How powerful is that?
It's important though to ALWAYS be careful. So I don't want to advice people to go listening to the Prayer when they're crossing a street.
I didn't cross a street, just listened to it in the tram and the small walk from tram to station (no crossing).
Btw. I already know that I'm going to love to hear Laura singing! :)
Thank you All for All..
Aragorn said:
fwiw. The times that I meditated myself (before the EE program) I seemed to notice that my eyes automatically go upward (they're closed).
It always give me that ''headache'' feeling, but it's the pressure between my eyes. Never understood that one.
Bobo08 said:
Well, hm.. I try to do it twice a week and I don't see that many changes in myself either, but there are some.
Though, I'm not sure if anticipating or expecting some kind of reward is a good reason to do it more frequently.
But, if you feel naturally doing it, then I guess it's okay, just saying.
Deedlet said:
:D, sounds familiar!
Deedlet said:
Nice! :D
Deedlet said:
Well some times my body just ''wants'' to lay down in a different position, on my side and my knees up (foetus position hehe) and I just do that and go on listening to the Prayer. There are also times that this desire is not present and I lay down through the whole meditation.
So no need to turn it off imo, just go into the position you feel comfortable in or shift your body in the way you like and continue :)
(if you'd like)
Aragorn said:
Well I'm not sure where wanderer found that information but I have three references floating around in my mind regarding positioning of the eyes.
First is Robert Monroe's Journeys Out of the Body. I borrowed from the library so I can't give you an exact quote but something to do with moving the eyes up can facilitate a change of consciousness or something like that.
Second Laura mentioned she positions the eyes there during meditation.
Third, hmmm... can't remember... It was either Robert Moss... oh no it was Autobiography of a Yogi where he talks about keeping your attention on the end of your nose, meaning between the eyes. Also borrowed from library so no quote.
Sorry that's not really much help is it? Most of the time if I keep my attention there it seems to step up the meditation a notch or two, helps me focus etc...
herondancer said:
I had the same thing happen last night, just without any emotion (just the shaking from the solar plexus) during the Ba-Ha portion.
That was pretty weird.....
Bobo08 said:
Yeah, zoning out quite a lot recently/missing the POTS. As far as I know its fine, but be aware that its worse if its late at night or your tired, so best try earlier in the evening (a few hours before you would actually go to bed).
Doing the full program every day may not be the best way forward either.....things that do help are making sure you are breathing with the belly (put your focus there). And trusting the process/yourself...which means not expecting anything to happen, just trusting it.
Just because your getting no 'effects' doesn't mean there isn't a lot of changes/healing going on under the surface your unable to see at the moment.
Bluestar
Jedi Council Member
If I may ask a question...
During the Ba Ha portion I must lay down. My body has a hard time sitting and I can make it through the 3 stage breathing and the warriors breath. I did try and do the Ba HA part yesterday sitting up with my back up against the bed, unfortunately the pain in my back was distracting me and so I went and laid down. So the question is, is there a difference when doing Ba Ha if one lays down or sits up?
There were quite a bit of distractions during yesterday's session... Not sure why cause this has not happened before. During Ba Ha there were bands of a yellowish light moving horizontally across my line of vision with my eyes closed. Coming from the horizon. Lasted for several breaths.
Time has not slowed down for me though and at times seems to speed up and run away from me. Noticed though my stress seems to have shifted somewhat. Hard to explain cause I can feel it, but it sort of lays on the surface of me instead of being inside.?.
Still feeling very fatigued when I awake each day, but I think it has to do with something I am eating. Have been working on detoxing and cutting various things from my diet, but I think my blood sugar levels in the morning are not balanced. Also almost every day I wake up between 3 & 5 AM, This has been happening for about 3 months. At times falling back to sleep is easy other times, I get up and come on the forum for an hour or so and then go back to bed.
So thank you all for sharing and allowing me to share as well.
During the Ba Ha portion I must lay down. My body has a hard time sitting and I can make it through the 3 stage breathing and the warriors breath. I did try and do the Ba HA part yesterday sitting up with my back up against the bed, unfortunately the pain in my back was distracting me and so I went and laid down. So the question is, is there a difference when doing Ba Ha if one lays down or sits up?
There were quite a bit of distractions during yesterday's session... Not sure why cause this has not happened before. During Ba Ha there were bands of a yellowish light moving horizontally across my line of vision with my eyes closed. Coming from the horizon. Lasted for several breaths.
Time has not slowed down for me though and at times seems to speed up and run away from me. Noticed though my stress seems to have shifted somewhat. Hard to explain cause I can feel it, but it sort of lays on the surface of me instead of being inside.?.
Still feeling very fatigued when I awake each day, but I think it has to do with something I am eating. Have been working on detoxing and cutting various things from my diet, but I think my blood sugar levels in the morning are not balanced. Also almost every day I wake up between 3 & 5 AM, This has been happening for about 3 months. At times falling back to sleep is easy other times, I get up and come on the forum for an hour or so and then go back to bed.
So thank you all for sharing and allowing me to share as well.
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