EMF Exposure

dugdeep said:
On a different note, I actually got some greenwave filters, on your recommendation, and am quite happy with them. I did a few tests comparing the Stetzer to the GW and they do seem to work better (plus you don't lose an outlet). I've got my freezer and laptop powerbar going through the filters now, which helps lower the dirty electricity load considerably, according to the Stetzer meter.

I just wanted to note that I invested in a set of these over the holiday season, and they seem to be doing a very good job. My original readings were on average over 400Hz for most outlets, and the filters have brought them down to between 20 and 70 Hz depending on where they are. I also discovered that if you install filters in two rooms on either end of a third room, the middle room will benefit in dirty electricity reduction by virtue of its location. So another thanks for the recommendation, LQB :)
 
Shijing said:
dugdeep said:
On a different note, I actually got some greenwave filters, on your recommendation, and am quite happy with them. I did a few tests comparing the Stetzer to the GW and they do seem to work better (plus you don't lose an outlet). I've got my freezer and laptop powerbar going through the filters now, which helps lower the dirty electricity load considerably, according to the Stetzer meter.

I just wanted to note that I invested in a set of these over the holiday season, and they seem to be doing a very good job. My original readings were on average over 400Hz for most outlets, and the filters have brought them down to between 20 and 70 Hz depending on where they are. I also discovered that if you install filters in two rooms on either end of a third room, the middle room will benefit in dirty electricity reduction by virtue of its location. So another thanks for the recommendation, LQB :)

Good deal Shijing!

Just to be clear on the meter readings, the units are not Hz - the units are better referred to as millivolts, and they are a measure of the noise power on your home grid in the 2KHz to 200KHz band (using the Stetzer meter).

Reading 400 is pretty high so its very good you got it down to 20-70. And there is really no way to predict where the filters will do the best job - much depends on geometry and exactly how the wiring is implemented.

From the interview I linked to above, apparently folks with smart meters are finding very high levels of this grid noise power. This may be due to the combined effect of many smart meters in the local area. If this is the case, then the bigger threat for many may be the grid noise as opposed to the RF.
 
I found an article today about dirty power affecting the milk production of dairy cows. This PDF is a collection of EMF info, with that article at the beginning. I find it interesting that 2.52KHz transients (among other select frequencies) were found to have a strong effect. I once read that our nerves don't work well above 2KHz, so perhaps a signal near the limit would be somewhat disrupting.

http://efile.mpsc.state.mi.us/efile/docs/17000/0292.pdf
 
monotonic said:
I found an article today about dirty power affecting the milk production of dairy cows. This PDF is a collection of EMF info, with that article at the beginning. I find it interesting that 2.52KHz transients (among other select frequencies) were found to have a strong effect. I once read that our nerves don't work well above 2KHz, so perhaps a signal near the limit would be somewhat disrupting.

http://efile.mpsc.state.mi.us/efile/docs/17000/0292.pdf

Yes, David Stetzer did a lot of his early work on the effects of dirty power on livestock and ways to mitigate it (http://www.stetzerelectric.com/). Part of the problem is that this is close to the frequency at which the coupled noise power (current) penetrates the flesh as opposed to staying confined to the skin surface.
 
monotonic said:
Here is something interesting:

_http://www.arrl.org/news/hams-experimental-vlf-signals-heard-in-the-uk-europe

Was interested in what the antenna encompassed (size/coils/length) and what was sent - it used to require great wire distances in the VLF:

“I was ready,” Raide told ARRL. His transmitter has a 3CX3000A7 tube in the final, running grounded grid and generating 800 W. The effective isotropic radiated power (EIRP), however, was estimated to be approximately 1 mW. To operate on 10,000 meters, Raide has a 90 foot vertical antenna using a reconfigured Zepp, fed via a huge loading coil that is 4 feet tall, more than 1 foot across and comprised of some 2000 feet of #14 wire. He employs a few thousand feet of “chicken wire” for his radial system.

The transmission consisted of “XBA” sent at a rate of 120 seconds (2 minutes) per dot and 360 seconds (6 minutes) per dash of CW. In the UK Nicholson copied the signal on software using a PC sound card with a preamplifier ahead of it. His antenna is a pair of orthogonal loops, each 20 meters square, at ground level, transformer coupled to the preamplifier.
[...]
Ziegler said German and UK experimenters have been experimenting at frequencies below 9 kHz, which is unregulated. Stefan Schaefer, DK7FC, was detected in Iceland — some 900 miles distant — while transmitting in this frequency range to a kite-borne antenna.

It would be interesting to know just how much smaller the more sophisticated labs can make these VLF antennas and what information can be sent as signals today - people might be surprised. The "kite-borne antenna" is pretty cool.

All things considered, this fellow, Raide (ham), did a good job.

Thanks for posting.
 
I'm wondering if someone with a better grasp on EM theory can comment on this.

If a coil with many turns but extremely low resistance was shorted, would it be able to absorb a larger EM field around it, like a superconductor? Would it be possible to use something like this to absorb EM fields within a reasonable volume of space?

I suspect that absorption would be most effective on the inside of the coil but I don't know whether for instance, a small coil could affect an entire room.
 
monotonic said:
I'm wondering if someone with a better grasp on EM theory can comment on this.

If a coil with many turns but extremely low resistance was shorted, would it be able to absorb a larger EM field around it, like a superconductor? Would it be possible to use something like this to absorb EM fields within a reasonable volume of space?

I suspect that absorption would be most effective on the inside of the coil but I don't know whether for instance, a small coil could affect an entire room.

If you drive a cylindrical coil with a current, it induces a mag field and concentrates the field lines within the coil (like a magnet - it actually is an electromagnet). If you short the coil and apply an external mag field, the same thing happens - current is induced in the coil and energy is dissipated as heat via the resistance of the coil.

But this is a very local effect. If you are a long way from a small coil, it looks like a point source and the field drops off as 1/r3. If the coil is a very long cylinder, the the field drops off as 1/r2. So implementations like this are not going to protect a room-sized environment.

I tend to agreement with Prof Henshaw (Emeritus Ret - Univ of Bristol) that the threat from mag fields is not the 50/60Hz sinusoid - it is the high frequency noise induced by electronics. This is why he maintains that cell phones (when held to the ear) are very dangerous due to the AC mag field that contains much high frequency noise and penetrates the brain without attenuation - this threat is distinct from the RF radiation from the phone. So, if you simply use the speakerphone and hold the phone away from your head, this mag field effect is insignificant.
 
A little update on SM's around home. There is still an analog meter at home and the Hydro appointed corporation, CORIX, is intimidating and lying to people at every turn to hijack/switch their meters after an extortionist deal was reached for people to keep them - as long as they pay. I receive regular updates from Citizens for Safe Technology Society _http://citizensforsafetechnology.org/about-cst,1,0 and they have many updated papers and video's available. A class action case has been filed in BC and their news letters helps to keep people here appraised of what is going on daily, including letters being written and reports of abuses etc. There are many examples of people writing to the BC Utility Commission, yet SM's here were embedded into the "Clean Energy Act" and thus regulated by law.

One of the things that has been looked at a little more closely in BC is the corporate boards, the government officials who benefited, the manufacturers and consultants along with the Hydro executives and layers upon layers of financial collusion to ensure SM's are everywhere. It becomes clear when looked at here, that it is just an extension from elsewhere - it is really a money scam like vaccine's and big pharma - the few are becoming measurably wealthy while people are becoming very ill. What is worse, is that the mountains of information available is disregarded with the wave of a hand and the MSN is mute as usual. It seems to me that nothing that is said will make a difference, no court action, nothing - they just maintain the lie and dismiss everybody that complains. This example of a totalitarian system is total. It may in the end, and I do not like saying it, come down to the $20 euro solution as people will in frustration just decide to end their relationship with SM's in an old fashioned disobedient way.

Here is a short video called 'Take Back Your Power - Smart Meter Radiation' that gives people an idea of the allowable limits by country.

 
The following came to me from our local coalition fighting SM's that may be of interest as a global overview map:

A very interesting map a member discovered that shows AMR (one way communication) and AMI (2-way communications, like our stupid program) $$meter programs around the world. Raises the question: why all at once?

_https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115519311058367534348.0000011362ac6d7d21187&om=1&ll=43.325178,-4.21875&source=embed

The map has a second page and "key" for system types represented in whatever country. For instance, picking Japan, comes up with Tepco in 2012:

TEPCO to hold bids for 17 million smart meters
Last Updated by Viktorija on Jan 23, 2012

TOKYO — Japan's Tokyo Electric Power plans to install about 17 million "smart meters" in customer households by March 2019 in a bid to increase efficiency, a report said Sunday.

TEPCO, the operator of the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant, will solicit bids from Japanese and foreign companies, forgoing its usual practice of going through a group supplier, the Nikkei newspaper said.

The total investment is estimated to reach around 200 billion yen ($2.6 billion), with the utility hoping to keep the price of the meter to about 10,000 yen per unit, the business daily said.

TEPCO plans to hold the first tender in autumn, for about three million smart meters, the Nikkei said.
 
I just read that conductive planes (foil, chicken wire, etc) that may be used for shielding need to be bonded to any metal object within 6 feet to prevent potentially lethal lightning flashover. It was very vague about what exactly the danger was and how to avoid it, but it is something to keep in mind if you plan on using large shields.
 
monotonic said:
I just read that conductive planes (foil, chicken wire, etc) that may be used for shielding need to be bonded to any metal object within 6 feet to prevent potentially lethal lightning flashover. It was very vague about what exactly the danger was and how to avoid it, but it is something to keep in mind if you plan on using large shields.

Yes, any Faraday cages, shields, and large metal structures should be grounded.
 
The structures being discussed were already grounded, as part of a ground noise mitigation system in a laboratory or server environment.
 
I have been doing volunteer work for the last couple of months or so, improving a church sound system. I'm going to omit a lot of details that don't relate to EMF, but one of my major tasks was to figure out how to connect eight wall-mounted "fill" speakers that had been disused for possibly many years. I connected a tone generator ("toner") to one of the speakers (actually, to the line side of the transformer; it's a 70 volt system) and traced the signal to a large closet in the far front of the building where, apparently, the original sound system had been located ages ago.

The new location for the mixer and amplifier was in the rear, in the balcony (originally, the choir loft). In terms of cable run, it was about 100 feet from where the fill speaker cable emerged from the wall in front, and I needed to find a way to bridge that very large gap. I used a wireless connection at first but it did not work well, for reasons that are perhaps more obvious now in retrospect.

Already, I was noticing something unusual with the toner -- the pickup was receiving a lot of hum in certain locations around the sanctuary (this is where EMF comes in). The same opening in the wall contained not only the speaker cable but also a heavy gauge 5-conductor unshielded cable and three shielded microphone cables. The shielded cables had been cut off at the other end, and were sliding down the conduit into the closet, so I pulled them out. The 5-conductor cable resembled another I had seen hanging out of the wall not far from where the mixer was located. I used the toner to confirm that these were, in fact, the two ends of a 100 foot run from the front to the back of the building, and I was able to use it to make my connection, though I had to do it the hard way by running small-gauge speaker wire from where the cable came out, along the ceiling, through a door, and up the wall to the balcony. That should have been the end of the story and except for all that hum, it would be.

The hum was exceptionally strong at the back of the building where the 5-conductor cable emerged from the wall. Without going into too much irrelevant detail, I was concerned that there was 120v in the same box with the speaker cable. It turns out there was not, but the EMF level in the wall box was very high. I had of course checked for any voltage at all on the cable I was working with before I connected the toner, and there was none. My concern came from the fact that there were individual heavy gauge solid copper insulated wires in the box, connected to what looked like a second identical 5-conductor cable using wire nuts. It turns out, however, that what I was seeing was just the other end of the same 5-conductor cable that I was connecting to -- I could have connected to the copper wires instead and pulled the other piece out of the wall. The situation was the same at the other end, with the copper wires being spliced to the 5-conductor cable. (More about this loop of 5-conductor cable later.)

I had another problem to solve in that the mixer was picking up radio stations. I checked out the microphone cables using the toner, verified that the connections were correct, and then out of curiosity tried to trace where they were in the walls (still looking for a better way to connect the wall speakers), but the heavy EMF prevented me from doing that. It was strongest along the south wall at the back, and near the ceiling in the narthex (at the rear, the entrance to the sanctuary). At that point I tried replacing the pulpit mic (a gooseneck condenser mic) with another one, the RFI problem went away, and I was done. The EMF, though, seemed spooky, and I wondered if they had grounding problems or something like that. Little did I know...

There was an unusual walled enclosure outside the south wall at the rear of the sanctuary, and it was obvious that much of the EMF was coming from there. (Do you see what's coming now?) I didn't pay a lot of attention to it at the time, but it looked a bit like a small electrical substation. What one of those would be doing at a church is a question I failed to ask. (Those are the questions that get you.)

This all took place around the beginning of August. About a week ago I noticed a sign on that enclosure warning that it contained a backup power generator. At the time, I thought how odd that a church would have that. I was REALLY not paying attention. Later that day, though, it dawned on me. As if the AT&T logo on several outside electrical boxes wasn't enough of a clue. For that matter, someone had told me a week after I finished the earlier work that there was a cell tower located somewhere on the church grounds. I just completely failed to make the connection. And until yesterday, I never noticed the bundle of large coax cables coming out of the top of the enclosure and entering a rectangular duct, that then entered the side of the church at first story ceiling height. From there it crosses inside the narthex ceiling (possibly through plenum space), passing the wall box where I noticed the heavy EMF, and continuing on to the steeple. The antenna array is concealed inside the steeple. It is maybe 20 feet north and 20 feet up from the mixer in the balcony. I also noticed the sign on the gate of the enclosure, identifying it as belonging to AT&T Mobility.

I guess the reason I took so long to notice is that it seems insane to me to locate a cell tower inside a building like that, and I am just not looking out for insane things like that. Two of the congregations that meet there have aging populations, and any number of members that are not well.

After originally noticing the EMF I warned a friend of mine with MS not to sit along the south wall, but now that I know what this is, that doesn't seem like enough. The hum I heard from the toner transducer was not a clean 60hz hum. It contained any number of other frequencies. I'm not sure what it sounded like now, because in my mind at the time it HAD to be from power lines and I wasn't considering anything else. Now it occurs to me that it could have been dirty power but, actually, what I was picking up included direct emissions from the equipment and antenna cables and it didn't have to be any particular frequency, so who knows?

I am concerned now about my speaker connection at the rear wall box. It has that loop of cable in it, perhaps a couple of feet long, that lies very close to the antenna cables. Obviously, the EMF from the antenna cables is not particularly well contained. Is the loop acting as an antenna, and sending something onto the speaker cable in both directions? Or is just passing near the antenna cables enough to cause pickup? For that matter, there is a run of speaker cable across the narthex that connects the left-hand wall speakers to the right-hand ones, and it parallels the antenna cables for perhaps 20 feet or more, and probably lies just a few feet away from them, against the ceiling, but in terms of cable run length, it is perhaps 200 feet downline from the wall box (altogether the speaker cable runs about 400 feet) even though it passes within a few feet of the box.

I am kind of freaked out about this. I spent some long days working in there myself, and almost nobody who comes to the church realizes that there is a cell tower there, let alone that there are significant EMF levels. The host congregation (the one that contracted with AT&T) is somewhat protected in that they have few members left and they tend to sit toward the front, away from the main sources of EMF and still within the shadow of the antenna array. There is small group, though, that likes to sit right through the wall from the equipment enclosure. I'm sure the income from the cell tower is part of what keeps the place going (they rent to six other churches altogether, although only two others meet in the sanctuary where the cell tower is located).

The other church service fills the entire space, including the balcony, and there must be considerable EMF exposure. A third service meets after that and is again a smaller group, and they close off the back rows. Their main health concern might be hearing damage from the loud music.

I have questions, but I am not sure where to begin. How about "Is this nuts or what?"
 
MB said:
I have questions, but I am not sure where to begin. How about "Is this nuts or what?"

Yes - that is a complete EM mess:

1) the cell antennas are radiating everyone everywhere - this is dangerous and very stupid.
2) the RF coax lines are not the problem
3) the church (and local) grid noise induced by the cell system electronics (AC to DC conversion) is very high and should be filtered with great prejudice. This noise will likely shorten the life of any other electronics that are plugged in. It will also appear on the church ground if connections to the ground rod and earth are compromised at all. This is like adding insult to injury.
4) if there is any wiring errors (crossed ground/neutral), then the situation is made worse through strong magnetic fields that will carry the grid noise
5) your best bet for the sound system is to make sure the church ground is the very best it can be - that may reduce the audio noise, but that facility's problems are much bigger
 
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