EMF Exposure
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voyageur said:
Good to see your friends are taking some action. :)
If your meter has a 3-axis probe, then there is no need to move it around to get the max reading. If it has a single axis probe, then you will have to rotate it around and take the max reading as correct. It would be good to see all living space under 1 mG - but you will find areas around appliances (like electric stove) that will be very high. You can't shield these AC mag fields, but you can avoid them.
Check near the walls/floors where your electric lines run. If you get high readings there, you may have a wiring error that is exposing a large living area to high fields.
Check around the meter and panel box to see just how far away you need to be to get to 1mG.
For a conventional stovetop, wouldn't a copper or otherwise conductive heat spreader plate short out the stray field as it sits right above the burner? I wonder if a similar thing could be done by wrapping a conductive wire around the oven filament and then shorting it at the ends? It seems this could be simple to remedy.
Finally got around to getting our smart meter 'encased'. I basically had to cut around the damn thing so I could shield behind it and around. I used wire mesh, aluminum tape and some 1/2" plywood and made a box to cover it as best as possible. It was a larger job than I anticipated!
Having an RF meter helped to check its effectiveness and I'm happy to say it has much improved the levels at home. Before the shielding was in place I was getting peaks of 0.8 mW/m2 and after covering it up it is now about 0.02 mW/m2. I was hoping to get it down to less than 0.003 mW/m2 but it will suffice for now and apparently its difficult to get 100% with using mesh and other cheaper materials. Not sure if the utility company will notice anything as some RF is still leaking out so they may still be able to read it remotely.... I guess I just need to wait and see if they pay a visit
Having an RF meter helped to check its effectiveness and I'm happy to say it has much improved the levels at home. Before the shielding was in place I was getting peaks of 0.8 mW/m2 and after covering it up it is now about 0.02 mW/m2. I was hoping to get it down to less than 0.003 mW/m2 but it will suffice for now and apparently its difficult to get 100% with using mesh and other cheaper materials. Not sure if the utility company will notice anything as some RF is still leaking out so they may still be able to read it remotely.... I guess I just need to wait and see if they pay a visit
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monotonic said:
No, the AC mag field arises due to the separation of the wires that must occur to power the elements. This creates localized net current, thus an AC mag field. It can be minimized by design but not eliminated. This is why I recommend a stove with controls at the rear as opposed to front. With controls at the front, your tummy gets a pretty heafty dose while you stand in front of it cooking.
fabric said:Finally got around to getting our smart meter 'encased'. I basically had to cut around the damn thing so I could shield behind it and around. I used wire mesh, aluminum tape and some 1/2" plywood and made a box to cover it as best as possible. It was a larger job than I anticipated!
Having an RF meter helped to check its effectiveness and I'm happy to say it has much improved the levels at home. Before the shielding was in place I was getting peaks of 0.8 mW/m2 and after covering it up it is now about 0.02 mW/m2. I was hoping to get it down to less than 0.003 mW/m2 but it will suffice for now and apparently its difficult to get 100% with using mesh and other cheaper materials. Not sure if the utility company will notice anything as some RF is still leaking out so they may still be able to read it remotely.... I guess I just need to wait and see if they pay a visit
Good deal fabric! You got about 16dB reduction - that's one order of magnitude plus another factor of 4 (40). It'll be interesting to see if the power folks come calling.
LQB said:
On our stove the burners are pancake coils. I would think that the coil shape would strengthen the magnetic field beyond just a wire running to a control of some sort. Why would the control radiate so much more? Our stove is somewhat vintage looking with controls at the back.
However I just realized that while cooking you already have a conductive metal plate sitting on the burner. I'm not sure how the permeability of the pot would affect this since I haven't studied magnetics.
monotonic said:
Current running in a coil will create a very strong axial mag field running perpendicular to the plane of the coil. The +/- wires must separate to connect to the switches/controls and its the high current that then generates the field.
Unless your pot is made of polarized magnetic material, there will be little effect on the AC mag field (even cast iron).
voyageur said:
Good deal - that will make it easier.
Before checking the reading in the rooms and near the wall, turn on lights and such to get some current flowing in the circuits.
Also, plug a transformer into an outlet and measure the field around it. Even without a load you will see very high fields that drop off quickly with distance. Check your clocks both digital and analog.
I got my Q-link and I was a little bit boggled to feel a calm feeling in my solar plexus the moment I put it on. So I did a preliminary search and found some studies on it. I wonder if this is even possible or is it a placebo effect. I'll experiment with this gadget on and off to see if I notice a consistent difference. Right now I don't want to get it off...
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Hey Psyche, et all :)
I just got an earthcalm pendent (supposed to be good for the whole range of EMFs from cell phones to Wifi to appliances) - and I'm with you, it's hard to make any type of educated decisions about potential purchases, but I bit the bullet last week.
I immediately started to breath deep and regular (without consciously doing EE), and do it consistently (which has never been normal for me).
I cannot point to any other concrete affects on my misc discomforts. Regardless, I feel that this is significant and warrants comment. That was the last thing I really expected, so I don't believe it's placebo. Frankly, I was hoping for my ear ringing or headache to dissipate. I've had an oddly stressful week, so I'm in no position to describe other effects, such as on sleep.
Random tip - I like the look of the pendent somewhat, but it's not really my style, so what I'm doing now is putting a thick hair rubber band as a loop through the metal loop on it and putting that on a large safety pin on the inside of my pants, against my skin (although it works through clothes too).
I didn't trust that it wouldn't just slip out of my pocket, and some of my work outfits don't have pockets anyway. It's been super easy to pin it on my pjs at night, and I don't have to deal with a chain tangled in my hair overnight, ya know, annoying.
They do have a host of products that are 3rd party verified. I have not read the documents, so I'm in no position to defend or recommend.
One thing I did want to point out to the Canadians on this post is that I did notice a review of one of the products for a plug in home system which has had great success with removing the effects of that Smart Meter thing, I think it runs about $400, fwiw, I know, alllll of these products are pricey, and we've all been burned, thus hand shy.
BTW, I'm half way through the "Resonance - Beings of Frequency" video, and wanted to offer gratitude to the person who linked to it - thank you :) very, very interesting, and well rounded. Lengthy but worth it!
I believe it will help educate the public, those on the fence about this being "real." My understanding is that it only covers cell phones (which IS huge, not intended as a criticism, just an observation).
Maybe others can relate, the ONE thing I'm an utter nag about at home with my husband is "get that thing out of your heart pocket!" It's been super challenging to find legitimizing articles on this subject, or to explain it in laymen's terms.
It's not that my husband is ignorant or obstinate. It's also a question of time to wade through the internet garbage out there (just like health topics - I swear to god there's a learning curve of FIVE years to gain a foothold on any discernment!) So again, my heart goes out to people. There's also the issue of money and priorities, even though I've been reading on this topic for years, health/diet topics has been my priority intellectually and financially... so I'm just now coming around.
My next purchase is the cell phone plate from earthcalm, it can go under the case so no one will think you're goofy. My husband's cell is his business line and he's freelance, so there's absolutely no way he would ever due without it or put up with anything conspicuous - fair enough. Whereas I don't even carry mine on me, much less answer it.
Take care everyone!
I just got an earthcalm pendent (supposed to be good for the whole range of EMFs from cell phones to Wifi to appliances) - and I'm with you, it's hard to make any type of educated decisions about potential purchases, but I bit the bullet last week.
I immediately started to breath deep and regular (without consciously doing EE), and do it consistently (which has never been normal for me).
I cannot point to any other concrete affects on my misc discomforts. Regardless, I feel that this is significant and warrants comment. That was the last thing I really expected, so I don't believe it's placebo. Frankly, I was hoping for my ear ringing or headache to dissipate. I've had an oddly stressful week, so I'm in no position to describe other effects, such as on sleep.
Random tip - I like the look of the pendent somewhat, but it's not really my style, so what I'm doing now is putting a thick hair rubber band as a loop through the metal loop on it and putting that on a large safety pin on the inside of my pants, against my skin (although it works through clothes too).
I didn't trust that it wouldn't just slip out of my pocket, and some of my work outfits don't have pockets anyway. It's been super easy to pin it on my pjs at night, and I don't have to deal with a chain tangled in my hair overnight, ya know, annoying.
They do have a host of products that are 3rd party verified. I have not read the documents, so I'm in no position to defend or recommend.
One thing I did want to point out to the Canadians on this post is that I did notice a review of one of the products for a plug in home system which has had great success with removing the effects of that Smart Meter thing, I think it runs about $400, fwiw, I know, alllll of these products are pricey, and we've all been burned, thus hand shy.
BTW, I'm half way through the "Resonance - Beings of Frequency" video, and wanted to offer gratitude to the person who linked to it - thank you :) very, very interesting, and well rounded. Lengthy but worth it!
I believe it will help educate the public, those on the fence about this being "real." My understanding is that it only covers cell phones (which IS huge, not intended as a criticism, just an observation).
Maybe others can relate, the ONE thing I'm an utter nag about at home with my husband is "get that thing out of your heart pocket!" It's been super challenging to find legitimizing articles on this subject, or to explain it in laymen's terms.
It's not that my husband is ignorant or obstinate. It's also a question of time to wade through the internet garbage out there (just like health topics - I swear to god there's a learning curve of FIVE years to gain a foothold on any discernment!) So again, my heart goes out to people. There's also the issue of money and priorities, even though I've been reading on this topic for years, health/diet topics has been my priority intellectually and financially... so I'm just now coming around.
My next purchase is the cell phone plate from earthcalm, it can go under the case so no one will think you're goofy. My husband's cell is his business line and he's freelance, so there's absolutely no way he would ever due without it or put up with anything conspicuous - fair enough. Whereas I don't even carry mine on me, much less answer it.
Take care everyone!
Finally received an ultimatum from the Hydro Authority last week which reads basically:
How nice of them to side with people who said no, to give them a choice and then charge them up to an additional $400+ a year. They say this offsets the expense of adding infrastructure (as if it was gone) and for manually performing services now automated by smart meters (that replaced human beings they were already paying).
They say 250,000 people said no to smart meters in BC, and @ $400 + a year, well, that might just pay for their smart system - George Carlin might say the rest better than i could about corporate businessmen.
How nice of them to side with people who said no, to give them a choice and then charge them up to an additional $400+ a year. They say this offsets the expense of adding infrastructure (as if it was gone) and for manually performing services now automated by smart meters (that replaced human beings they were already paying).
They say 250,000 people said no to smart meters in BC, and @ $400 + a year, well, that might just pay for their smart system - George Carlin might say the rest better than i could about corporate businessmen.
voyageur said:
Disgusting corporate behavior - they profit big time on both sides of the issue.
Depending on where you are and the amount of outdoor space you have to work with, you can move the meter off the house and install a small ground plane behind it. Direct the face of the meter away from living space. The ground plane is as simple as a piece of plywood backed with sheet metal or even chicken wire. This will easily give an order of magnitude reduction in power density in the home - a little larger ground plane will get two orders of magnitude (factor of 100 reduction).
Just putting a ground plane behind the existing meter will help much for those areas of the home that are directly behind the meter.
LQB said:
In this case, it is a Crown corporation (the public's), and the government of the day has been siphoning off all the revenue generated from Hydro to cover their shortfalls, and as usual, have left it in a financial mess. The Crown authorized Hydro to borrow capital and install these SM's and now rates, which were supposed to be protected for the public, are set to skyrocket.
I'll have to change the meter out or pay, and the present location is well away, so not a problem (for many others it is) and i'll use a ground plane regardless.
Thanks