EMF Exposure

LQB said:
MB said:
I have questions, but I am not sure where to begin. How about "Is this nuts or what?"

Yes - that is a complete EM mess:

1) the cell antennas are radiating everyone everywhere - this is dangerous and very stupid.
2) the RF coax lines are not the problem
3) the church (and local) grid noise induced by the cell system electronics (AC to DC conversion) is very high and should be filtered with great prejudice. This noise will likely shorten the life of any other electronics that are plugged in. It will also appear on the church ground if connections to the ground rod and earth are compromised at all. This is like adding insult to injury.
4) if there is any wiring errors (crossed ground/neutral), then the situation is made worse through strong magnetic fields that will carry the grid noise
5) your best bet for the sound system is to make sure the church ground is the very best it can be - that may reduce the audio noise, but that facility's problems are much bigger

Yeah, that was pretty much my intuitive assessment, without understanding the particulars very well.

There was a fairly distinct spatial pattern for the peculiar hum that the toner probe picked up and, in retrospect, I see that the the pattern follows the path of the coax antenna cables from the base station to the antenna array. I was seeing that path, through my toner probe, without having any idea that there was anything in the ceiling/floor other than ordinary electrical wiring. And that was what was spooky -- I am going to pay a lot more attention if I feel that way again! Now, it makes sense, though it is all still freaking me out. But that is why I kept thinking about the coax runs.

The sound system is grounded through the power line ground connections (green wire) at the mixer and the amplifier rack (about 12 feet apart and plugged into the same surface-mounted wall outlet, which connects via a surface run (maybe 20-25 feet) to a proper wall outlet on the back wall. The mixer and the rack each have Furman power conditioners typical of audio gear. The circuit breaker panel is in the front of the building, next to the pulpit and near the utility pole, and that should be where the earth ground is -- about 100 cable feet away from the wall outlet. I don't know where the cell tower is drawing its power, but I am hoping that it is from a different pole at the edge of the property -- there are signs that they originally trenched in that direction to lay the trunk cables (there is an enclosure over there for punch-down blocks, and paint marks on the parking lot surface above where the cables must be buried) and I think they may have brought power in that way too.

Is there a way I can directly check the regular electrical wiring, especially the ground? I can't use an inductive pickup like I did at home because the place is swimming in EMF! I suppose I could check for voltage on the ground (and measure resistance if I don't find any), if I can locate the actual ground wire outside (I don't especially want to remove the breaker panel front cover). But I am more than a little worried about additional surprises. This isn't an ordinary building.

I suspect that trying to warn people that this could be bad for them would be like trying to warn them that what they are eating is bad for them. I think I may be able to do something, but perhaps not very quickly. This has the flavor of a bad dream that I can't wake up from.
 
The only way that the RF coax lines could be a problem is if the outer conductor provides a coupling path (capacitive) for the grid noise to get to ground. This doesn't involve the cell RF. But when you are in the near field of the cell antennas, all kinds of bizarre effects are possible.

MB said:
Is there a way I can directly check the regular electrical wiring, especially the ground? I can't use an inductive pickup like I did at home because the place is swimming in EMF! I suppose I could check for voltage on the ground (and measure resistance if I don't find any), if I can locate the actual ground wire outside (I don't especially want to remove the breaker panel front cover). But I am more than a little worried about additional surprises. This isn't an ordinary building.

I suspect that trying to warn people that this could be bad for them would be like trying to warn them that what they are eating is bad for them. I think I may be able to do something, but perhaps not very quickly. This has the flavor of a bad dream that I can't wake up from.

The way you check the ground is to first find the ground wire that runs from the panel box to a ground rod that is probably located somewhere outside the building. If the building wiring is very old, the ground wire may be attached to metal pipes (water lines) that pass from the building into the soil. Chances are that the connection to the pipe(s) or ground rod is corroded or the ground rod is not making good connection with the ground. This resistance causes some ground current to return through the building ground wiring (ground loop) - this can make your audio hum at 60 Hz plus the higher frequency noise (on the building grid).

If you can find the ground rod (or pipe connection), you can clean the connection and reattach tightly. It is not practical to try to measure this resistance. For the ground rod, you can pour salt water on the ground around it to reduce any resistance between the rod and the soil. [This is a procedure that everyone should do every few years to minimize ground loops.]

And yes, that place is a mess. Folks should at least be warned that they are sitting under a cell tower - then they can decide.
 
LQB said:
...And yes, that place is a mess. Folks should at least be warned that they are sitting under a cell tower - then they can decide.

Apart from checking the power line ground, that seems like the one thing I can do right away, informing the many people that don't even know the array is there (it's not exactly a cell tower; it's more like a cell steeple). Some of them may, like me, have personal concerns about it. There may be more that can be done, but that is a good first step. Thank you!
 
MB said:
I have been doing volunteer work for the last couple of months or so, improving a church sound system.
I was just curious what kind of church or organization are you volunteeering for?
 
hlat said:
MB said:
I have been doing volunteer work for the last couple of months or so, improving a church sound system.
I was just curious what kind of church or organization are you volunteeering for?

I have belonged to a UU (Unitarian Universalist) congregation for the last 12 years, and last year I took on their sound system, which was in disrepair, when the last person who knew anything about it left. The denomination was historically Christian (non-orthodox, as the name implies), but no longer. There are a lot of humanists and atheists. They are presently remodeling and are temporarily renting this cell tower made to look like a church (it's actually quite a lovely traditional church building of Spanish architecture) from a very small UCC congregation. The two churches are located only a mile or two apart.

The UCC group is orthodox Christian, but liberal and accommodating of those (like myself) that are not literal believers. I have never experienced this side of Christianity -- I was barely aware that it existed -- and so it has been something to explore, cautiously. The work I did on the sound system benefits both groups. Apart from EMF exposure the greatest risk is with my childhood Christian programming (brainwashing), which wants to kick back in again, but that seems to be part of my leçon du jour, along with the cell tower.
 
Are the values and understandings of UU compatible with FOTCM? It seems a bit strange to me that you would still be involved with UU knowing that your programming is trying to take over.
 
hlat said:
Are the values and understandings of UU compatible with FOTCM? It seems a bit strange to me that you would still be involved with UU knowing that your programming is trying to take over.

The UU principles are so basic as to be compatible with just about anything. UCC is more complex, but I don't actually "believe in" or "follow" either one. If you have it, childhood religious programming is there whether you acknowledge or do anything about it or not. Being in this particular environment enabled me to see it to a greater degree than ever before. It was a shock when I saw how it has influenced my life, both when I was associated with a religious group and during the long spans when I was not. It's not necessarily all bad news, but without the awareness you can't examine it and choose. And perhaps that is why it is such a shock -- because of the unseen influence, I decided many things differently than I might have had I been aware.

It seems a little weird, but I sense a parallel between discovering this programming and discovering the source of the EMF in the church building (in that order, about a week apart). In both instances, something toxic is concealed within something attractive.
 
LQB said:
...The main source of the dirty power noise is the AC to DC conversion due to the sharp rectification of the sine wave AC needed to produce the DC voltage for our digital electronics...

I think that could possibly be what my toner probe was picking up. There is a definite AC hum, but there is something else superimposed on it -- like digital noise -- and I was picking it up at fairly high levels at some distance from the equipment, through the building wall. I may have heard a similar sound being produced by switching power supplies in the past, although I am not sure. I think I am going to have another listen this weekend, and possibly invest in a meter as well.
 
MB said:
LQB said:
...The main source of the dirty power noise is the AC to DC conversion due to the sharp rectification of the sine wave AC needed to produce the DC voltage for our digital electronics...

I think that could possibly be what my toner probe was picking up. There is a definite AC hum, but there is something else superimposed on it -- like digital noise -- and I was picking it up at fairly high levels at some distance from the equipment, through the building wall. I may have heard a similar sound being produced by switching power supplies in the past, although I am not sure. I think I am going to have another listen this weekend, and possibly invest in a meter as well.

That probably is the case. If you were to measure the grid noise with a Stetzer meter or Greenwave's equivalent, it will probably read off-scale. That makes the building environment that much worse for exposure. It might be interesting to use a gauss meter to measure the mag field to see where this field reads high (it will only respond to the 60 Hz component).

This one will measure the electric field as well:

_http://www.amazon.com/Trifield-100XE-EMF-Meter/dp/B00050WQ1G/ref=sr_1_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1411596513&sr=1-1&keywords=trifield+meter
 
LQB said:
On AC Magnetic fields, here are a couple of cases from Karl Riley and his career of finding the sources and fixing them:

But getting back to the magnetic field, the wire pairs for each home circuit can be run together because the voltage has been stepped down to 120/240V. As long as the wires remain together, there is no net current, and therefore, no AC magnetic field. The National Electric Code (NEC - or your country’s equivalent) is very carefully crafted to eliminate net current in all buildings. This is aptly demonstrated by Karl Riley in his book, Tracing EMFs in Building Wiring and Grounding14 in which he describes common wiring errors that can lead to unacceptable AC magnetic fields in the home/office building. Electricians, just like everyone else, take shortcuts and make mistakes, but in the case of net current, they rarely understand the consequences of the resulting AC magnetic fields on the health of people in the environment – especially children. The majority of NEC inspectors are probably unaware of this as well, and the mistakes are rarely caught. This is tragic in the sense that a simple gauss meter (measures the magnetic field) and ammeter (measures net current) can reveal the problem quickly before the wiring is encased in the internal structure. Fixing these problems after the fact can be difficult and costly – and you may need a “Karl Riley” to diagnose, locate, and correct the problem. But you can quickly determine if you have a problem with a cheap $50 gauss meter – but more on that later.

When the pair of wires begins to separate, AC magnetic fields develop in the vicinity. All wire pairs must separate widely at the panel box for connection to grid power. This makes the panel box a strong source of AC magnetic fields and explains why you do not want any living areas adjacent to or in the vicinity of the panel box. The wires must also separate at each socket, light fixture, and appliance in the home/office. In the case of appliances, the wires separate internal to the appliance in order to power circuit boards, transformers, heating elements, etc. The more current and separation of the wires - the higher the magnetic field.

Today it is generally and widely accepted that long term exposure to AC magnetic fields in the range of 3-4 milligauss (0.3-0.4 microT) results in a doubling of risk for childhood leukemia. It is, therefore, suggested that long term exposure not exceed 2mG (0.2microT). Many scientists and health organizations suggest that a wider safety margin be applied, reducing this to 0.5-1.0mG (0.05-0.1microT). A healthy safety margin makes sense since there will undoubtedly be periods of much higher exposure, and the dose should be considered cumulative – much like ionizing radiation (radioactivity).

Riley14 relates an interesting (and sad) anecdote from his experience. “The next case is unusual in that it involves a child who developed leukemia in the first year of his life. I was called in to measure the magnetic fields in his crib room since it was next to the service entrance [panel box] closet in a large LA [Los Angeles] estate. I found no unusual field level emanating from the service closet itself, since the equipment was not mounted adjacent to the wall to the child’s room, but a substantial magnetic field was coming from an under-floor source which angled out from the service closet location, ran under the crib and exited near the corner of the room. The field at the crib was 4mG and on the floor where the child crawled it was 12mG [1.2microT]. These values were measured during the day when the only loads were the washer and/or dryer. During the evening the field levels would have been much higher.

The field was due to a net current on the service lateral [circuit] which ran under the floor. I clamped the ammeter around the copper water supply pipe where it entered the building and found it was carrying amperage. Following my recommendation the owner had a plumber insert a dielectric [insulator] coupling in the water pipe down near the water meter near the curb, which was about 100’ from the house. This took the neutral current off the pipe and restored it to the neutral conductor in the service lateral and balanced the magnetic field, thus reducing the magnetic field in the crib room to tenths [of a mG].
The child underwent chemotherapy and for awhile was doing well. Before finishing this revision [of his book] I learned that sadly he had not survived. Was his leukemia due to having been exposed to 4+ mG in his crib and 12+ mG while crawling around on the carpet?”

I’ll include one more of Riley’s anecdotes because it involves a very common wiring error with devastating results in this case: “I was called in by a family living in a desert community north of Barstow CA who had experienced a sudden onset of electrosensitivity [ES]. They were sure something was wrong with the house as they could feel burning sensations, etc and had rashes on their hands which puzzled their doctor. A child born while they lived in the house was born with three kinds of brain damage.
As this was the first case of electrical hypersensitivity I had come in contact with I was cautious if not a little skeptical. But when I measured the house with the lights on I found elevated fields in the master bedroom, the baby’s bedroom, and a field of 82mG at the couch the family gathered together on to watch TV.

After a couple of hours of tracing I found the point where GCs [neutrals] of two circuits had been connected [together]. As mentioned in the text, it was at a duplex receptacle in the master bedroom where one circuit was controlled by a wall switch and the other was always energized. In such receptacles one must break off the tabs connecting the two parts of the receptacle – both the hot tab and the neutral tab. In this case only the hot tab had been broken off. As soon as the receptacle was disconnected the field dropped from 82mG one foot from the wall to below a tenth of a mG at the couch. An 82mG field one foot from the wall is generated by a net current of approximately 12 amps; in this case due mainly to an electric heater used by the family in winter.

Whether the mother’s use of this couch for sleep during pregnancy was related to both the birth defects and hypersensitivity is up to medical specialists to sort out. The hypersensitivity was real as I found by a careful experiment in which I found that the mother was able to tell if a 2mG field was on or off 11 times out of 12, with no external clues from me or the apparatus I used (a covered coil and a silent mercury switch, plus a predetermined randomized on-off sequence).”

The footprint of induced ES (electrosensitivity) is very evident in this account. The effect seems very similar to what gluten does to the Celiac sufferer, and makes one wonder: what are these EMFs are doing to the rest of us?

I am here in the cell tower church, using my phone to measure the magnetic field next to the base station. While the background reading is around 430 - 460 milligauss, the peak through the building wall next to the base station is around 600mg. The highest reading is on the south narthex wall next to a wall box containing a switch - 1000 mg. That was also my strongest toner probe response. Exposing the phone to that field seems to have changed the phone's calibration and now all the readings are higher.

The readings outside,next to the base station wall are lower (300 mg range), leading me to think that the building wall (stucco) is concentrating the field. Next to the coax cables, however, where they emerge from their duct and enter the base station enclosure, just above head height and in easy reach, the reading is about 5000mg!

In light of the quote above, these levels do not sound good.

I took one more set of readings on the balcony stairs and in the balcony. They were similar to downstairs,rising when I held the meter overhead, closer to the array. The maximum reading was about 500mg, over my head in open space. When I laid the meter on the upper balcony stair railings, however, it set off the 2 gauss alarm of the meter. One railing read about 5500 mg and another, under the steeple, read over 7000! I use these railings to get up and down the stairs and so do others.

I have a Greenwave and a tri-field meter on order; no idea when they will ship. Time to do more research. And, oh, I don't see a ground rod anywhere. The connection is probably in a crawl space to which I do not have access.

Oops, I found the service entrance 200 feet away next to another building and next to the pastor's office. The ground is probably inside the locked 6' high cabinet. The base station connects to it via a large conduit. The other drop I found appears to be unrelated.

Sorry about any iPhone misspellings.
 
MB said:
I am here in the cell tower church, using my phone to measure the magnetic field next to the base station. While the background reading is around 430 - 460 milligauss, the peak through the building wall next to the base station is around 600mg. The highest reading is on the south narthex wall next to a wall box containing a switch - 1000 mg. That was also my strongest toner probe response. Exposing the phone to that field seems to have changed the phone's calibration and now all the readings are higher.

The readings outside,next to the base station wall are lower (300 mg range), leading me to think that the building wall (stucco) is concentrating the field. Next to the coax cables, however, where they emerge from their duct and enter the base station enclosure, just above head height and in easy reach, the reading is about 5000mg!

In light of the quote above, these levels do not sound good.

I took one more set of readings on the balcony stairs and in the balcony. They were similar to downstairs,rising when I held the meter overhead, closer to the array. The maximum reading was about 500mg, over my head in open space. When I laid the meter on the upper balcony stair railings, however, it set off the 2 gauss alarm of the meter. One railing read about 5500 mg and another, under the steeple, read over 7000! I use these railings to get up and down the stairs and so do others.

I have a Greenwave and a tri-field meter on order; no idea when they will ship. Time to do more research. And, oh, I don't see a ground rod anywhere. The connection is probably in a crawl space to which I do not have access.

Oops, I found the service entrance 200 feet away next to another building and next to the pastor's office. The ground is probably inside the locked 6' high cabinet. The base station connects to it via a large conduit. The other drop I found appears to be unrelated.

Sorry about any iPhone misspellings.

The reason for higher readings at the switch is that the current carrying wires must separate for attachment to the terminals of the switch (resulting in net current from an observers point of view). But your generally high readings suggest that the current carrying wires (hot and neutral) are not run together (closely) as they should be, and they carry high current (consistent with cell tower needs).

Generally accepted safe levels are about 1mG for long term exposure. The levels you are reading are way beyond safe for even short exposure. The situation is actually much worse. The high freq grid noise is probably very high due to the digital cell electronics so high mag fields carry high noise components. Prof Henshaw (univ Bristol) and Milham think this combo is actually responsible for much metabolic disease.

That place should be EM-condemned for people. Hopefully you can use your meters to convince folks of this.

Remember, exposure is cumulative. Periods of high exposure must be offset with extended periods of low/no exposure.

With the trifield you'll be able to look at the electric field as well. The Greenwave meter will give you an idea of how bad the grid noise is throughout the building.
 
I believe my phone is providing a reading that includes the earth's field, meaning that it can't be used for evaluating "normal" levels of magnetism. When it reads 7 gauss beneath the antenna array, though, that's still more than 6.5 gauss too high! The peaks in the meter readings correspond exactly with the peaks in the toner probe audio, so it is no fluke.

I happened to sit down at the mixer, after determining that the lower balcony readings were among the lower ones in the building, and I happened to start the meter app again and the alarm went off immediately. It seems it was picking up 4 gauss from the balcony rail even without touching it. Apparently, any ungrounded, unshielded length of conductor in that part of the building, even if it is only 3 feet long, radiates like that, and the balcony rail is the longest such run up there.

One ongoing sound system issue is with RFI from AM radio stations. The signals can be quite strong in disconnected cables, as I have mentioned. Can that account for these readings? It would not explain why the highest readings are beneath the cell antenna array, though.

The sounds coming from my toner fall into two general categories, 60hz hum modulated with noise, and "something else." I need more accurate equipment before I know exactly what to tell people -- the readings throughout most of the place are comparable to what I see at home -- but that business with the railings is scary. I'm going to stay away as much as is practical, and avoid the railings.
 
MB said:
One ongoing sound system issue is with RFI from AM radio stations. The signals can be quite strong in disconnected cables, as I have mentioned. Can that account for these readings? It would not explain why the highest readings are beneath the cell antenna array, though.

Hard to say without the proper test equipment. The gauss meter (on the trifield) will respond to the 60Hz AC mag field - but not the high freq noise component (much more expensive equipment for that). The greenwave meter will tell you what that high freq noise level is. Then you can refer folks to Henshaw/Milham's work for the danger involved.

It would be good to know where the bulk of the cell digital electronics is located. Some AC/DC power will be required at the antenna for amps, filters, etc. A/Ds could be located at the antenna or elsewhere. If it were me in your place, I might get someone from the cell company to meet me out there to describe where the major components are, how much power they consume, and how that power gets there (AC or DC).

Since you are getting deeply into this, it might be good for me to send you a detailed writeup I did on EMF in general including test equipment and target levels. It is a fairly large WORD doc. If you don't mind PMing me your e-mail, then I'll send it along.
 
I had never planned to get deeply into EMF/EMI, but this situation came to me. I have experience as an electronics technician, I at least know what microwaves can do to a person, and I can't ignore it. And truthful information about it is hard to come by. I would appreciate anything you can provide.

My Greenwave order just shipped (I ordered everything from them), and hopefully I can go over to this place after work later in the week and take some accurate measurements, if the USPS can manage to get it to me in time (I will be traveling next week). It doesn't have to come far.

I will be able to use the equipment to test other people's homes (as well as my own), if they are concerned about it. I do know a few people that are. Very few.

The digital electronics appear to all be located in the enclosure in the parking lot on the south side of the building. I wouldn't expect to find any digital processing up at the antenna array, although who knows. I can see a row of weatherproof equipment cabinets inside the enclosure downstairs. The antenna array is on the north side of the building, and slightly to the east. The coax bundle runs right through the building, making bends to accommodate the balcony. The cables are enclosed in a rectangular sheet metal duct that appears to be well grounded.
 
MB said:
I will be able to use the equipment to test other people's homes (as well as my own), if they are concerned about it. I do know a few people that are. Very few.

The digital electronics appear to all be located in the enclosure in the parking lot on the south side of the building. I wouldn't expect to find any digital processing up at the antenna array, although who knows. I can see a row of weatherproof equipment cabinets inside the enclosure downstairs. The antenna array is on the north side of the building, and slightly to the east. The coax bundle runs right through the building, making bends to accommodate the balcony. The cables are enclosed in a rectangular sheet metal duct that appears to be well grounded.

Indeed - just these two meters are very helpful in evaluating the environment.

The sheet metal duct will not shield any AC mag field due to net AC current in the duct. It will shields the electric field.
 
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