French presidential elections.

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Typhon

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Just one thing about electronic vote : the agrement for using it had been given by interior ministry, when N.Sarkozy was the minister...


P.S.
Sorry for my english. Hope my words are comprehensible ;)
 
...Well I am just "Very Concerned" for Laura, Ark and her organization which are homebased in France now!!!!

It seems that Psychopathy is still in its Growing and Expanding stage worldwide, and has yet to begin to 'Turn' and collapse on itself, destroying the very structures it built.

They seem to be closing in everywhere, no-where to go...tentacles circumscribing the world.
 

Adaryn

The Living Force
NORDIC HEALER said:
It seems that Psychopathy is still in its Growing and Expanding stage worldwide, and has yet to begin to 'Turn' and collapse on itself, destroying the very structures it built.
Interesting, last night I dreamt a kind of voice (myself or another voice, don't exactly know) said something like this. This system is destroying itself. Heck, too bad I don't remember the exact words, I should have noted them when I woke up right after. Basically it said we just had to let it destroying itself, like it was a natural process. There was thunder, and it was night in the dream.
 

stardust

Jedi Master
Rylek said:
If there was any vote manipulatin, and it is a possibility, then the 3% of the vote would be very significant in this case. Has anyone looked into this possibility?
Yes, and even the use of the voting machine are sufficient to explain the results. Look for some cities using it :

Bourges : 50.05% Sarko - 49.95% Royal
Mimizan : 55.84% Royal - 44.16% Sarko
St Malo : 52.17% Sarko - 44.16% Royal
Mulhouse : 54.29% Sarko - 45.71% Royal
Le Mans: 56.19% Royal - 43.81% Sarko
Antibes : 70.89% Sarko - 29.11% Royal

If you want to see all the results , go there for the cities which have use voting machine:
http://medias.francetv.fr/bibl/url_autres/2007/04/06/29774477.htm

and for the results:
http://www.lexpress.fr/info/france/elysee_2007/resultats.asp?etp=231
 

CarpeDiem

Jedi Council Member
a torrent of sarko's utterances on NEW french foreing policy
Making France a Power for the Future
interview to National Interest

part 1
part 2

Nicolas Sarkozy: Our first objective is of course to assure the security of France and its allies. Because our interests are global, so must be our responsibilities. Our security interests are inseparable to those of Europe and our other partners, those who share our goals and values. Faced with a new threat environment—terrorism, proliferation, etc. —cooperation will be the key to success. Our second objective must be to promote the universal values of liberty and the respect for human rights and dignity. I believe that France is only truly itself when it embodies liberty against oppression and reason against chaos. Lastly, our third objective for foreign policy is the promotion of our economic and commercial interests that will strengthen France as it takes on globalization.

My problem with realpolitik is that it limits diplomatic action in an effort to leave unchanged the reality of the world. "Stability" and status quo are their obsessions. But the pursuit of status quo is not a policy; it is akin to giving up. Stability for stability’s sake is not how I conceive the world. The steadfast adherence to stability leads to turning a blind eye to cruelty and injustice.

The friendship between Europe and the United States is a cornerstone of world stability, period. It is deep, sincere and unshakeable.

Our silence, when faced with 200,000 deaths and 400,000 refugees in Chechnya, is unbearable. Neither is our indifference when faced with 200,000 deaths due to ethnic massacres in Darfur.

Each country is currently experiencing some form of tensions—Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Israel and Palestine, Iran. In certain cases these countries are destabilized by external interference from other regional actors. . .

Dear France! Dear France!
 

ScioAgapeOmnis

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Sarkozy said:
Our first objective is of course to assure the security of France and its allies.
Of course, it's the same with the US psychopaths - security, security, security! How do you assure security? The C's say - knowledge. But the US government and now their buddy Sarkozy in France say - ignorance. We must be kept ignorant, and with full faith in the good intentions of our governments. You know, secrecy, spying on own citizens, invading foreign nations that they claim support terrorism, remove freedoms from own people for security's sake, overthrowing foreign governments and installing puppet regimes, the usual.

Sarkozy said:
Because our interests are global, so must be our responsibilities.
Oh boy, he's going global people. And it's not a vacation in Cancun.

Sarkozy said:
Our security interests are inseparable to those of Europe and our other partners, those who share our goals and values.
Security interests. The only way a psychopath feels secure is when everyone else is subjugated and under his control. If something is not under his control it's a potential security threat. Which means people, wealth, land, everything. If we don't invade and take over the world, someone else will and we'll be taken over too, so we gotta pre-emptively do it for security reasons don't you know.

Sarkozy said:
Our second objective must be to promote the universal values of liberty and the respect for human rights and dignity.
I love how that's the second objective. Which means, we will accomplish the first objective of "security" (read: satisfying our extreme paranoia and need for control) using any means we deem necessary. And if there's any time left after we're done, we might promote some of those universal values. By "promote" he means go on TV and say how impotant they are, and maybe pass out some flyers.

Sarkozy said:
I believe that France is only truly itself when it embodies liberty against oppression and reason against chaos. Lastly, our third objective for foreign policy is the promotion of our economic and commercial interests that will strengthen France as it takes on globalization.
What he means is, we gotta bring our crap into everybody else's house whether they like it or not. It's our crap, we think it's good crap, so how dare they prefer their crap over ours? It's our way or the highway, as they're probably terrorists anyway.

Sarkozy said:
My problem with realpolitik is that it limits diplomatic action in an effort to leave unchanged the reality of the world. "Stability" and status quo are their obsessions. But the pursuit of status quo is not a policy; it is akin to giving up. Stability for stability’s sake is not how I conceive the world.
Whoa, he's conceiving the world now? This world is not his to conceive how it should be.
Sarkozy said:
The steadfast adherence to stability leads to turning a blind eye to cruelty and injustice.
Read: We must wage war in order to achieve peace. I know you're all used to your cozy stable atmosphere here in France, but we must join in the action with the US to get real peace don't you know. What is "real peace"? It's the peace of mind a psychopath gets once he can own everything and everyone, now THAT is the kind of stability that makes me all warm and fuzzy.

Sarkozy said:
The friendship between Europe and the United States is a cornerstone of world stability, period. It is deep, sincere and unshakeable.
So like I said, the US is clearly responsible for REAL stability in the world, isn't it obvious? We must help them in this goal to achieve this stability. What is that you ask? I just answered that in that part about "real peace" silly!

Sarkozy said:
Our silence, when faced with 200,000 deaths and 400,000 refugees in Chechnya, is unbearable. Neither is our indifference when faced with 200,000 deaths due to ethnic massacres in Darfur.
... or the deaths of the soldiers of our friend in Iraq. We must help them in their slaughterfest, and when all the Iraqis are dead or in cages, our soldiers will no longer die, and we'll have peace at last.

Sarkozy said:
Each country is currently experiencing some form of tensions—Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Israel and Palestine, Iran. In certain cases these countries are destabilized by external interference from other regional actors. . .
Like I just said, see how US stabilized Iraq by its interference, but how Iran is constantly destabilizing it? I'm sure it's obvious to everyone by now. Well US didn't stabilize it all the way yet of course, not all the Iraqis are dead or in cages YET. But when they are, I promise you lasting peace and stability. Then we will take care of all the other tensions similarly and finally world peace! And finally we will bring the same stability to our own nations, soon all the French and all the Americans will be either dead or in cages too! Terrorists cannot suicide-attack if they are in cages, and since anybody could potentially be a terrorist, everybody must be put in a cage for your security. This is not stability for its own sake, it's stability for a very good reason - it's the only way I, Sarkozy, and my fellow psychopaths will feel secure, peaceful, and happy.

P.S. - I love you all and uhh free beer for everyone! *hears cheers and applause*

Seriously, if you just read between the lines, I think he just clearly outlined his plans for the near future using some doublespeak and conversive thinking, the psychopath that he is. I'm kinda shocked that the French voted him in, but when was the last time a psychopath didn't commit voter fraud and forced his way in? I can only hope that the French are not the Americans, and will take to the streets as they are historically known to do as soon as the psychopathic policies begin to be implemented. Otherwise it's a slippery slope. And I know that Americans "took to the streets" to some extent with nothing resulting from it, so this has to be truly massive and final, and the French at least know how to do it as they've done it before.
 

rylek

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Recently Wayne Madsen wrote about Sarkozy and the purge of French intelligence service. This topic already popped up on the forum here (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5152.msg34159#msg34159)
_www.waynemadsenreport.com
Wayne Madsen May 10 2007 said:
Neo-con purge of French intelligence services begins. Only days after the election of neo-con Nicolas Sarkozy as President of France, the expected neo-con purge of anti-Sarkozy members of the French intelligence and security services has begun. Captain Thierry Tintoni of the Renseignements generaux (RG) (General Intelligence service) has been questioned by a secret tribunal for violating secrecy laws. Tintoni is accused of providing defeated Socialist Party candidate Segolene Royal with damaging information on Sarkozy's conduct while Interior Minister. The French intelligence services will now face the same purges that befell similar neo-con purges of the U.S., British, Australian, Danish, and Italian intelligence services. ...
Putting in his cronies for the dirty work, getting rid of normal people in key positions.
Nicolas Sarkozy said:
The friendship between Europe and the United States is a cornerstone of world stability, period. It is deep, sincere and unshakeable.
What this friendship means is quite clear:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=5152.msg34160#msg34160
Keit said:
It reminds me about something I've read in Political Ponerology.
Read this first:
Whether directly or indirectly, i.e. by means of deviant “agents� , this call of pathocracy, once appropriately “deckedout� , reaches a significantly wider circle of people, including both individuals with various psychological deviations and those who are frustrated, deprived of the opportunity to earn an education and make use of their talents, physically or morally injured, or simply primitive. The scope of the response to this call may vary in proportion, but nowhere will it represent the majority. Nonetheless, the home-bred spellbinders who arise never take into account the fact that they are not able to enrapture the majority.
And now read the footnote by Laura for this quote:
Noticable in any country. In the present day, when the United States is well on the way to becoming a full-blown pathocracy, and is thus the source of the contamination, spellbinders for the deviant reality promote “American style� economics and “culture,� and are even viewed by their fellow countrymen as “America-ophiles� . Most people do not understand that the first step to becoming part of the Global pathocracy that America is attempting to impose on the world is to become part of the economic system as it is formulated in America. A recent example of a country rejecting this maneuver is France’s rejection of the European Constitution, a document focusing on the neo-liberal transformation of the European economy along the lines of the U.S. model.
 

Tigersoap

The Living Force
I heard this news yesterday:

PARIS - The Associated Press

Just two days after his pal Nicolas Sarkozy won the presidency, French rock legend Johnny Hallyday is already planning to abandon his tax-motivated self-exile in Switzerland and return to France.

In a much publicized departure, Hallyday moved to Gstaad late last year to avoid heavy French taxes. The move came in the heat of the election campaign, in which Hallyday openly backed Sarkozy - a conservative who pledged tax cuts - over his Socialist rival Segolene Royal. Asked on RTL radio yesterday whether they would come back to France now that Sarkozy is taking over, Hallyday's wife Laeticia said, "Oui." She did not say when. Sarkozy has proposed that income tax be limited to no more than 50 percent, down from a 60-percent limit that will go into effect in January.
J.Hallyday was supposed to get the Belgian nationality (which he obviously did not get in the end), then move to Monaco.

Many Big business guys have moved to Belgium because of the ISF.

How many other wealthy people will move back to France now ?
I think it's clear which way Sarkozy is trying to drive France towards.
 

Adaryn

The Living Force
Tigersoap said:
I heard this news yesterday:
(snip)
Many Big business guys have moved to Belgium because of the ISF.

How many other wealthy people will move back to France now ?
I think it's clear which way Sarkozy is trying to drive France towards.
Jean-Philippe Smet aka ah-que-Johnny finally said he would not come back to France right now, and would wait till Sarko applies this measure in effect. The Stepford wife Laeticia commented that the taxes were "scandalous" (or "inacceptable", don't remember the exact term. But she sounded quite outraged at this "injustice").
Yeah, like it's scandalous to live with 800 Euros/months.
I hope the SMICards and workers who voted for Big Boss are quickly going to realise on which side he is, and who he's going to favour, after his dinner at the Fouquets and his trip to Malta, in a private jet and luxury yacht.
Another example of where his "heart" goes :
his programme includes a cancelling of inheritance taxes. Which most people swallowed naively saying it was a fair measure, when you have "laboured all your life", to leave something to your children without having to pay for "the fruit of your labour" (Sarkozy sounds very biblical sometimes). What a lot of people don't know is that only very rich people pay inheritance taxes. Millionnaires ! Poor or modest people are already exempt from this tax. It's all demagogy.

There'll be a big demonstration on S's inauguration day, the 16th may. People are required to dress in black and demonstrate peacefully to express their sadness and discontent.
 

c.a.

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
It's like that in the new Renaud world! You also noticed how those who spit on #Macron during the last presidential campaign of 2017, support him for that of 2022!




 

c.a.

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
The list of candidates hoping to take on Emmanuel Macron for the French presidency in April is getting long. About 30 people have thrown their hats in the ring, including Paris’ Socialist mayor Anne Hidalgo, far-right leader Marine Le Pen and former Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.

Similar numbers have been seen in previous elections, and the ranks will thin eventually. But with so many self-proclaimed dissidents and outsider personalities borrowing from Macron’s disruptive anti-establishment playbook, the overall effect of having this many contenders may end up helping him stay in power.

A lot can happen between now and April, but the crowded field of anti-Macron candidates is currently eating itself rather than its target. None of the challengers are projected to beat the president in the first round of voting or run-off. (Macron meanwhile has yet to officially announce his run.)

The Politics of Personality

First-round polls for 2022 elections, surveyed in July and September 2021

Source: Harris Interactive/Challenges

Note: If no candidate wins an absolute majority, the two top scorers go to a second-round run-off

In the Macron era, personality politics continues to bury establishment party lines and ideologies.

Le Pen has always been the main threat for Macron, and she’s trying to become more palatable to the average French voter — dropping unpopular policies like quitting the euro, glossing over her past contentious views and seeking to detoxify her party. And yet all eyes are on Eric Zemmour, a far-right pundit with no party machinery to speak of, whose potential candidacy would cut Le Pen’s support to below 20%, a Harris poll published on Tuesday finds. Macron would still win the first and second rounds either way.

On the Left, Anne Hidalgo has for months been tipped as a bridge between social justice and eco-conscious politics after Covid-19. Yet she currently polls below 10% and there is widespread skepticism that she can get rivals, from far-left firebrand Jean-Luc Melenchon to the prospective Green Party pick, to rally behind her. The Left’s own version of Zemmour is also hovering: Arnaud Montebourg, a former minister mixing interventionist economics with a more restrictive approach on immigration, has already launched his Macron-style political movement.

In such a fragmented political landscape, with French voters increasingly leaning conservative on issues like immigration and security while supporting Macron’s “whatever-it-takes” approach to pandemic management, the center-right is seen as a vital election battleground. But even here there’s squabbling: Xavier Bertrand, the most convincing candidate, is refusing to take part in a primary that would weed out rivals.

The confusion is made worse by candidates happy to flee the center to try to whip up the party base. Consider Michel Barnier’s hawkish rhetoric on immigration, viewed with raised eyebrows in his old stomping ground of Brussels, where he faced off against U.K. Brexiters.

All of this is no doubt music to Macron’s ears. His own party, a creation that blended political neophytes and experienced politicians in a mix of the populist and the technocratic, has failed to broaden its appeal beyond its narrow white-collar, pro-European base. And while he is seen as being a convincing leader and good pandemic manager, a majority of French public opinion is unhappy with his performance overall.

Still, Macron is more popular than his predecessors were at this stage of their presidency, and a brightening economic outlook combined with a fragmented opposition would be to his advantage come election day.

That’s assuming the marketplace of policy ideas remains bare. Headline-grabbing proposals have yet to move the needle: Hidalgo’s call to double teachers’ salaries and Le Pen’s proposal to renationalize highways are each seen costing around 40 billion euros ($47.3 billion). Christopher Dembik, a director at Saxo Bank, says these look unrealistic.

There are threats to Macron’s re-election beyond the roster of candidates, however.

First, if disenchantment with party politics turns into apathy and hurts turnout, he could face trouble. In terms of demographics, he only has a convincing lead over Le Pen among the under-25s and over-60s, polling suggests. Second, the broader economic and pandemic backdrop might suddenly deteriorate and make him seem less convincing as a leader — a surge in energy prices and Covid-19 cases might make an outside rival look more attractive.

Finally, Macron’s own personality is a risk. His governing style in trying to push through fuel tax hikes and pension reforms contributed to protest movements like the Gilets Jaunes in 2018. His economic reform agenda has only been a partial success, according to think tank iFRAP, and trying to push more changes through at this stage is risky.

No wonder Macron seems to be leaving it until the last minute to officially throw his own hat in the ring. His silence speaks volumes, even as the swarm of rivals gets louder.

This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the editorial board or Bloomberg LP and its owners.
To contact the author of this story: Lionel Laurent at llaurent2@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story:
Nicole Torres at ntorres51@bloomberg.net

The socialist who ruined Paris may ruin the whole of France next The presidential race is all up in the air – and Hidalgo, a cunning politician, is no longer alone in believing in her stars #Hidalgo #Presidentielle2022

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Le Pen already polling better than she was in the last election. Now she's rallying base. “There are battles that we have no right to lose. National friends, the #Présidentielle2022 is from that: and because we have no right to lose this battle, we are going to WIN it!"
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“There are battles that we have no right to lose. National friends, the #Présidentielle2022 is from that: and because we have no right to lose this battle, we are going to WIN it! "#RentréeMLP#Fréjus

I will be a candidate for #presidentielles2022 to assert that the only program that works for workers is a program of struggles.

Side-note:
 

Eboard10

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
On September 9th, the French audiovisual council (CSA), the government entity regulating the media decided to count Eric Zemmour's speaking time in the news in the same way as the candidates of the upcoming presidential election in 2022, despite him NOT having declared his willingness to participate in the presidential race. Zemmour, a regular guest on CNews was forced to quit the daily TV programme after the CSA's decision in order to ensure a balance in speaking times between the candidates on the channel.

Some are speculating that this is a move from the establishment to steal votes from Marine Le Pen. With a weakened Republican Party, most people holding a conservative view would vote Le Pen so the elite are likely worried about running into a similar or even worse situation than they did in 2017. Eric Zemmour holds quite radical views when it comes to immigration, muslim immigrants and culture in particular which will surely appeal to part of the right-wing electorate.

By imposing a restriction to his media presence, the CSA, that is made up of notable left-leaning figures basically pushed Zemmour into a corner by having him removed from his daily appearance on CNews and forced him to fight back by presenting himself as a potential candidate in order to maintain his appearance on the main media outlets. Given that the media is all over him at the moment suggests that the intention was not to get rid of him but rather to boost his presence and have him run for the presidential race. I wonder if Zemmour is conscious of how he's being used as a pawn in these election games or if he's unaware of the men behind the curtain.
 
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