Greece: debt, creditors, austerity measures, Syriza, Varoufakis, Troika

Athens in May signed three agreements with the Greek and foreign companies for the exploration and exploitation of hydrocarbons in western countries, investment of 700 million €. Athens hopes 150 billion to € tax revenue over 30 years. A first agreement between the Greek company Energean oil & gas and Canadian petroleum Petra concerns of Ioannina in Epirus region for the production of 100 million barrels. Another agreement between the British and Energean Trajan Oil, concerns the region Katakolo in the Peloponnese, to 5,000,000 barrels. The marine exploration qu'effectueront in turn Hellenic Petroleum, Edison Italian and Irish Petroceltic in the Gulf of Patras could finally afford to upgrade 200 million barrels ...
 
That's why what concerns me most immediately about the No vote in Greece is the possibility for a response from these extremely negative/STS players. Not necessarily against the Greeks, because the "problem" here (for them) is one that extends worldwide.

Exactly. It's awful knowing that it's only a matter of time before these nasties find a way to get 'revenge' on people just trying to live their lives.
 
Hesper said:
That's why what concerns me most immediately about the No vote in Greece is the possibility for a response from these extremely negative/STS players. Not necessarily against the Greeks, because the "problem" here (for them) is one that extends worldwide.

Exactly. It's awful knowing that it's only a matter of time before these nasties find a way to get 'revenge' on people just trying to live their lives.

fwiw paying attention and keeping 1000 eyes open may potentially prevent such things, as long as you are not attached to an outcome.
Share things on social media, and keep an eye out for pieces moving on the grand chess board (even if they seem unrelated).
Maybe the outcome is inevitable and all we can do is witness it, but I'm going with the future being 'open' right now.

Exploring higher dimensions: The power of active consciousness
 
A pretty interesting comment from Ambrose Evans-Pritchard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose_Evans-Pritchard) regarding the resignation of Varoufakis and his successor Tsakalotos , the new finance minister:

https://twitter.com/AmbroseEP/status/617959646062469124 said:
New Greek FinMin is Tsakalotos. Brilliant man. My view (not consensus) more hardline than @yanisvaroufakis who is a passionate pro-European
 
Hello,

I am really looking forward to how things will play out for Greece and the rest of the world too. I share of course all of Perceval's concerns on what may be the reaction of the PTB on the Greek referendum. My subjective take on the situation since I come from and live in Greece is the following:

Greeks consider the outcome of this referendum one of the greatest moments of the country's modern history, and I think for a good reason. The fact is that among Greek people there is now a overwhelming sense of empowerment, pride and self-confidence. I can see only two ways for the PTB to deal with this:

One would be to soften their lines and give in to some of the demands of the Greek government in order to avoid a Grexit and any further anti-EU/West polarization of Greek society. What Tsipras knows the country needs most is a major write-off of the public debt (at least 50%) which is obviously unsustainable at it's current rate of about 176% of the GDP, as stated even by an IMF's recent announcement. Given enough time, that might work to soften up Greek resistance with a feeling that EU "is not so bad after all". But this approach is unacceptable as it would seem like a major humiliation and give-away for the current hardline leadership of EU and Eurozone, and would open the door for other debt-ridden nations of European south to ask the same treatment, while increasing their own sense of empowerment. And although money is no real issue for the PTB (as we know they make it out of thin air), that would prove to be a setback on their grip on peoples and would push their totalitarian agenda a few years backwards, until people settle back to the causality of their daily life and forget about their hideous masters once more. I don't think this is very probable to happen.

The other way would be to go even more hardline and nasty. But specifically for Greece, after the referendum there is a completely new mindset and feeling of empowerment on people. More pressure of any kind should only increase the feelings of resistance and defiance. My estimation is that after the landslide NO vote victory, the psychology of Greeks has reached at the moment a kind of "escape velocity" from the pull of the system's gravity. I mean people really feel that "we don't know what the future may bring, but we are not taking a step back". The more they put pressure now, the more Greek people will become stubborn with increased possibility of a Grexit and all the consequences this will have on the global economy.

Chaos is a often a favorable playing field for the PTB, but usually they go for a kind of controlled and predictable type of chaos, one that they estimate they have the power to put back in Order. Will a global financial collapse be considered manageable and predictable for them at this time, so as to provoke it on purpose by "pulling the plug" off Greece? I can't really say. The STS forces are known for their wishful thinking and often for over-estimating their powers.

For what I feel almost sure at the moment is that more financial pressure on Greece will not work according to their plans. Quite the opposite. That leaves even more nasty tactics still on the table. Some false flag terrorism? Maybe ISIS? Or setting up some conflict with one of Greece's neighbors like Turkey? Maybe. Any of these options would hurt the Greek people one way or the other, but would they have them back begging for the Masters' help and mercy? I doubt so. Not with Putin around and interested in Greece. In fact this might even push Greeks even further away from their grip. Greek-Russian relationships have never been more close and mutually benefiting: Greece can provide Russia/BRICS strategic commercial/military access to the borders of Europe, the Balkans, the East-Mediterranean sea and Middle-East. Greek people hold the highest opinion of Russia and Putin among all the so-called "Western nations". No EU country is as ready for an alliance with Russia/BRICS as Greece is at the time. That includes both the people and the government of SYRIZA.

But of course, as Perceval said, it's not the future of Greece itself that is their main issue. It's but a small country almost irrelevant on absolute global terms. It's mostly the example of Greece. So I would not be surprised if they try to "scorch the earth" here as much as they can to punish Greeks, and shift their main focus on not loosing their grip on the other EU countries that are next to follow Greece's example before they reach their own "critical mass" for change, like Spain, Portugal, Italy etc.. But in a non-linear universe and in today's inter-connected world, it's hard to have total control of information and present events to fit one's liking. Media propaganda works in so many ways, but then it doesn't in so many others. The situation in Ukraine is a good example of that.

I hope my post did not go for too long. I thank and greet you all.
:)
 
Who's the new Greek Finance Minister, Euclid Cakalotos?

Link:
http://www.businessinsider.com/euclid-tsakalotos-greece-new-oxford-educated-finance-minister-2015-7
 
casper said:
Who's the new Greek Finance Minister, Euclid Cakalotos?

Link:
http://www.businessinsider.com/euclid-tsakalotos-greece-new-oxford-educated-finance-minister-2015-7

Well from the article, I can't find much information that would support to call him "Cakalotos".
Do you have information that points into that direction?
 
RedFox said:
Hesper said:
That's why what concerns me most immediately about the No vote in Greece is the possibility for a response from these extremely negative/STS players. Not necessarily against the Greeks, because the "problem" here (for them) is one that extends worldwide.

Exactly. It's awful knowing that it's only a matter of time before these nasties find a way to get 'revenge' on people just trying to live their lives.

fwiw paying attention and keeping 1000 eyes open may potentially prevent such things, as long as you are not attached to an outcome.
Share things on social media, and keep an eye out for pieces moving on the grand chess board (even if they seem unrelated).
Maybe the outcome is inevitable and all we can do is witness it, but I'm going with the future being 'open' right now.

Exploring higher dimensions: The power of active consciousness

Yep feel the same that what we can do is be aware of possible burst of craziness on a bigger scale and not only in Greece, and we can share information about psychopathy and mental and emotional abuse on a grander level, that is truly behind all this. Those who will be able to understand and accept reality through that perspective, for them the all other manipulations will start to be more obvious and you know, kind of a domino effect can be produced in understanding of roots for this craziness. I found it very good to combine sharing of recent main stream and SOTT selected articles on Greece, with short coment to focuse on bully narative and absence of real economical data. Also in between sharing articles from SOTT on psychopaty are very very valuable for people. I see how some that I will never expect them to do that, start to share them too.
 
Pashalis said:
casper said:
Who's the new Greek Finance Minister, Euclid Cakalotos?

Link:
http://www.businessinsider.com/euclid-tsakalotos-greece-new-oxford-educated-finance-minister-2015-7

Well from the article, I can't find much information that would support to call him "Cakalotos".
Do you have information that points into that direction?
Perhaps the "problem" in the translation from Croatian into English, this is the link from the Croatian newspapers:
LINK:
https://translate.google.hr/translate?sl=hr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=hr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegram.hr%2Fpolitika-kriminal%2Fgrcki-mediji-su-objavili-da-ce-euklid-cakalatos-biti-novi-ministar-financija-a-mi-vam-donosimo-neke-detalje-iz-njegova-zivota%2F&edit-text=

https://translate.google.hr/translate?sl=hr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=hr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.index.hr%2Fvijesti%2Fclanak%2Fovo-je-covjek-koji-bi-trebao-spasiti-grcku-veceras-ce-prisegnuti%2F829216.aspx&edit-text=
 
casper said:
Pashalis said:
casper said:
Who's the new Greek Finance Minister, Euclid Cakalotos?

Link:
http://www.businessinsider.com/euclid-tsakalotos-greece-new-oxford-educated-finance-minister-2015-7

Well from the article, I can't find much information that would support to call him "Cakalotos".
Do you have information that points into that direction?
Perhaps the "problem" in the translation from Croatian into English, this is the link from the Croatian newspapers:
LINK:
https://translate.google.hr/translate?sl=hr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=hr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegram.hr%2Fpolitika-kriminal%2Fgrcki-mediji-su-objavili-da-ce-euklid-cakalatos-biti-novi-ministar-financija-a-mi-vam-donosimo-neke-detalje-iz-njegova-zivota%2F&edit-text=

https://translate.google.hr/translate?sl=hr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=hr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.index.hr%2Fvijesti%2Fclanak%2Fovo-je-covjek-koji-bi-trebao-spasiti-grcku-veceras-ce-prisegnuti%2F829216.aspx&edit-text=

I see... Cakalotos sounds like "kakerlake" in german which means "cockroach".

My bad...
 
spyraal said:
I hope my post did not go for too long. I thank and greet you all.
:)

Thanks for the input Spyraal, being in Greece is really the only way to get an idea of what the Greek people are actually thinking. I agree with most of what you said, except that I can't shake this feeling that this situation is the first "domino" that will be used to set in motion a complete melt-down of the global economy and the ramping up of war and suffering for so many. Time will tell. :ninja:
 
Latest from Michael Snyder:

The German Siege Of Greece Begins (No, This Is Not A Repeat From 1941)

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-german-siege-of-greece-begins-no-this-is-not-a-repeat-from-1941

As Perceval mentioned, i have this strange feeling at the pit of my stomach too with regards to what the future holds...

Syriza and Tsipras are now negotiating with their debtors, but Germany and the ECB with regards to the ELA seems to hold all the cards. If the ELA is not increased and the Greek banks run out of money before negotiations are concluded, then we will have a situation where to avoid a liquidity/solvency crisis Grexit maybe forced to happen - but im not sure if this is the plan from the Empire ? Also a Grexit will cause financial turmoil to global markets especially the derivatives market. Or are they playing a game of high stakes poker here with Greece (again!); who is going to blink first ? Maybe the Empire is trying to force Greece to stay in the Euro, without a new negotiated debt restructuring deal - using the ELA as a lever to negate the outcome of the referendum...

But then again as SeekinTruth mentioned the SCO and BRICs summits are coming up this month - i wonder if there are plans in place to counter these measures and help Greece; if they were, it will take some time to reorganise a new currency economically speaking even with the backing of the BRICS or AIIB. Maybe that is why Syriza allowed a run on the banks during the negotiations; this way if a new drachma is planned - the Greek people already have all their money and assets physically with them, and bank holidays will not have too much of a devastating impact during the adjustment.

Just thinking out aloud, and the situation is very fluid with many options to consider....


Thanks spyraal as well for your comments :), really appreciate a Greek perspective on the current situation.
 
Perceval said:
spyraal said:
I hope my post did not go for too long. I thank and greet you all.
:)

Thanks for the input Spyraal, being in Greece is really the only way to get an idea of what the Greek people are actually thinking. I agree with most of what you said, except that I can't shake this feeling that this situation is the first "domino" that will be used to set in motion a complete melt-down of the global economy and the ramping up of war and suffering for so many. Time will tell. :ninja:

I wonder why if this "shadow government" can rig the ballot like the recent Scottish Referendum, why not rig the Greek Referendum too? Maybe it's either "they" don't have that level of control or it's aligned with the plan all along. I'd prefer the former scenario, but yeah I can't shake the suspicion it would be the later one.
 
alkhemst said:
I wonder why if this "shadow government" can rig the ballot like the recent Scottish Referendum, why not rig the Greek Referendum too? Maybe it's either "they" don't have that level of control or it's aligned with the plan all along. I'd prefer the former scenario, but yeah I can't shake the suspicion it would be the later one.

I think it's more of an issue of timing. The PTB in the UK had years to plan for the Scottish referendum, whereas the Greek PM called a snap referendum with just 10 days advance notice. There was no time to orchestrate that kind of manipulation, which is why the YES propaganda machine went into overdrive in the days running up to the vote.
 
Just for loosening the atmosphere so to speak, take a look at the outgoing finance minister of Greece speaking 22 years ago :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0IG4jREsvs
 
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