BlueKiwi
Jedi Master
Well, the better strategy to deal with evil, is not respond with evil, but learn how to avoid or counteract it I guess.
From Session 3 May 1997 :
From Session 3 May 1997 :
I don't get it.... why not destroy evil?
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Ricardo
Jedi Council Member
Indeed, the first petty tyrant , that anyone has to face when "doing" the work is oneself.
I guess modes of attack could include pain, addiction, hypnotism, noise, stampedes, depression, systemic or natural evil (or disharmony), other people or oneself lashing out.
Then the solutions, respectively, may be: Remove the source of pain or avoid getting into the conflict. Defend yourself.
Discipline yourself (low-carb...) and find productive habits.
Divert attention or redirect emotions, try to remember the present reality.
Get some shooting headphones and wear them upside down. More metaphorical noise may be countered by healthy music, true information, being quietly disgusted and wishing idly for reciprocity?
Shared suffering (multiple reports or multiple combatants may stop an assault from multiple people), or else removing dependence on one's location or position (get out of there when possible).
A different perspective. For instance, I would think "I am here forever, so it's pointless to feel depressed about it all." Someone else might have to think the opposite, that justice will prevail or that they will create a new universe.
Cultivate patience, where you can.
Don't lash out. Remember that you may be being as stupid as whom you're lashing out against. Remember your future (have "long-term thinking")
Sorry if this went on. I was doing my best to merge philosophy and practice, not projecting my miseries. At least, hopefully not excessively.
Then the solutions, respectively, may be: Remove the source of pain or avoid getting into the conflict. Defend yourself.
Discipline yourself (low-carb...) and find productive habits.
Divert attention or redirect emotions, try to remember the present reality.
Get some shooting headphones and wear them upside down. More metaphorical noise may be countered by healthy music, true information, being quietly disgusted and wishing idly for reciprocity?
Shared suffering (multiple reports or multiple combatants may stop an assault from multiple people), or else removing dependence on one's location or position (get out of there when possible).
A different perspective. For instance, I would think "I am here forever, so it's pointless to feel depressed about it all." Someone else might have to think the opposite, that justice will prevail or that they will create a new universe.
Cultivate patience, where you can.
Don't lash out. Remember that you may be being as stupid as whom you're lashing out against. Remember your future (have "long-term thinking")
Sorry if this went on. I was doing my best to merge philosophy and practice, not projecting my miseries. At least, hopefully not excessively.
The topic of this thread kind of reminds me of what happened when wolves were killed out in Yellowstone. The whole environment changed. Area's that were lightly grazed become more heavily grazed and that changed the ecology of rivers and valleys to the detriment of the whole ecosystem including the reduction of diversity of species. Then wolves were re-introduced and the ensuing trophic cascade saw land regenerate, the increase in species and the health of the river system improved.
The other thing about the re-introduction of the wolves that isn't addressed so much in the above is that all the other species in Yellowstone had to learn the habits of the wolves and to read the signs that they were in the environment so that they could defend themselves from predation as far as possible. That is kind of like one of the tasks before us.
I don't think wolves are inherently evil. As 2D critters they are just here to do what they do and most probably can't make a choice to do differently. Still the symbolism is helpful.
Dr Karen Mitchell, while hesitant to address the topic of evil and hyperdimensional influences, says that there are basically three types of people in the world - predators, prey and normal people. I think everyone has a bit of the predator in them. At the minimum that's to the degree that we have to eat to survive. Some have more predator in them than others. Like the other species in Yellowstone there is the task to learn how to identify the habits of predators and signs that they are in the environment so that we can either avoid them, reduce their impact on our lives or defend against them and teach our children to do the same. Learn how to behave less like prey so that one is less likely to cross their radar. But totally removing them from the environment at large could have consequences that we cannot perceive at this time and as far as we know those consequences may be very bad for the total environment and there is no guarantee that the world would be better if it were rid of evil.
Since the C's say that 4DSTS wish to control us, and control is one of the attributes of the persistent predatory personality, it's probably better that we learn what we can of the lessons here so that we can be ready for the challenges that might come our way in 4D.
The other thing about the re-introduction of the wolves that isn't addressed so much in the above is that all the other species in Yellowstone had to learn the habits of the wolves and to read the signs that they were in the environment so that they could defend themselves from predation as far as possible. That is kind of like one of the tasks before us.
I don't think wolves are inherently evil. As 2D critters they are just here to do what they do and most probably can't make a choice to do differently. Still the symbolism is helpful.
Dr Karen Mitchell, while hesitant to address the topic of evil and hyperdimensional influences, says that there are basically three types of people in the world - predators, prey and normal people. I think everyone has a bit of the predator in them. At the minimum that's to the degree that we have to eat to survive. Some have more predator in them than others. Like the other species in Yellowstone there is the task to learn how to identify the habits of predators and signs that they are in the environment so that we can either avoid them, reduce their impact on our lives or defend against them and teach our children to do the same. Learn how to behave less like prey so that one is less likely to cross their radar. But totally removing them from the environment at large could have consequences that we cannot perceive at this time and as far as we know those consequences may be very bad for the total environment and there is no guarantee that the world would be better if it were rid of evil.
Since the C's say that 4DSTS wish to control us, and control is one of the attributes of the persistent predatory personality, it's probably better that we learn what we can of the lessons here so that we can be ready for the challenges that might come our way in 4D.
This is the answer I expected (wanted to read) from Darius 1234 to my question:
but he offered a compilation of ideas, directed towards him by previous commentators, with an emphasis on we/us.
I couldn't tell if he did it to appear inclusive and correct, or if it was a way to escape from himself. (Escape from his own darkness.)
The C’s have said that ALL exists inside us. At least at a potential level like a seed. Its all here in us. And perhaps one day as they say (if we continue to develop in balance) we could advance to the point of starting and managing a solar system and beyond.
All “evil” and all “good” is already in our programing. They have also recently said that STS is “imbalance” (not evil) and STO is “balance” (the soul balancing evil and good to facilitate in a particular situation?) A two-edged sword and the knowledge of how to use it.
An Indian brave asked advise from the shaman. Father it’s like I have two wolfs are inside me constantly fighting. One is black and one is white. I want to do good, but I do bad. Which one will win? What should I do? The Shaman replies, that will depend on which one you feed the most.
The DCM is the STS. The DCM is the STO. And we are the DCM.
A few years before I came across Laura and the experiment, I was trying to reason out the balance of good and evil. I drew an infinity sign and one half was the dark side and the other the light side. I reasoned that at both conjunctures of light and darkness, what would be needed was a being or beings that were so enlightened and good that it could perform darkness for the sake of the continuum, and in the same way on the other side one so knowledgeable in darkness that is could perform good for the sake of the continuum. (I’m still working on it.)
Some of this thread is a refresher course, and some of it is new contemplation. Thanks to all involved.
All “evil” and all “good” is already in our programing. They have also recently said that STS is “imbalance” (not evil) and STO is “balance” (the soul balancing evil and good to facilitate in a particular situation?) A two-edged sword and the knowledge of how to use it.
An Indian brave asked advise from the shaman. Father it’s like I have two wolfs are inside me constantly fighting. One is black and one is white. I want to do good, but I do bad. Which one will win? What should I do? The Shaman replies, that will depend on which one you feed the most.
The DCM is the STS. The DCM is the STO. And we are the DCM.
A few years before I came across Laura and the experiment, I was trying to reason out the balance of good and evil. I drew an infinity sign and one half was the dark side and the other the light side. I reasoned that at both conjunctures of light and darkness, what would be needed was a being or beings that were so enlightened and good that it could perform darkness for the sake of the continuum, and in the same way on the other side one so knowledgeable in darkness that is could perform good for the sake of the continuum. (I’m still working on it.)
Some of this thread is a refresher course, and some of it is new contemplation. Thanks to all involved.
Session 24 November 1994
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Debra
The Living Force
For a moment I thought you “might” have stumbled onto the rest of the “Cherokee” story.
You almost had it tho’, as your comment shows.
You wrote that you understand it’s about balance, about the Third discerning choice.
Balance.
There is right action, (good) and wrong action,(evil), but it ALWAYS depends on the circumstances that dictate what action is appropriate, or so I’ve come to understand.
The old Cherokee smiled and replied, “If you feed them right, they both win.” The story goes on. “You see, if I only feed the white wolf, the black wolf will hide in the dark waiting for me to falter so that it can pounce and get the attention he craves. He will always be angry and will always be fighting the white wolf. But if I acknowledge him, both he and the white wolf can be satisfied, and we all win.
For the black wolf has qualities that I need and that the white wolf lacks: tenacity, courage, fearlessness, strength of will, and resourcefulness. The white wolf instead provides compassion, caring, heart, and the ability to value the needs of others over my own.
You see, the two wolves need each other. Feeding only one and starving the other will eventually make both uncontrollable. Caring for both allows them both to serve you, so that you can do something greater, something good with your time on earth. Feed them both and you will quiet their internal struggle for your attention, and, when there is no battle inside, you can then hear the voices of deeper knowledge that will guide you in choosing the right path in every circumstance.
Peace, my son, is what we must all strive for in life. He who has peace inside has everything. He who harbors a storm within his heart and soul has nothing. How you choose to treat the opposing forces within you will ultimately determine how you live.”
You almost had it tho’, as your comment shows.
You wrote that you understand it’s about balance, about the Third discerning choice.
Balance.
Remember,
There is right action, (good) and wrong action,(evil), but it ALWAYS depends on the circumstances that dictate what action is appropriate, or so I’ve come to understand.
HERE’S HOW THE ORIGINAL STORY OF THE TWO WOLVES REALLY ENDS:
The old Cherokee smiled and replied, “If you feed them right, they both win.” The story goes on. “You see, if I only feed the white wolf, the black wolf will hide in the dark waiting for me to falter so that it can pounce and get the attention he craves. He will always be angry and will always be fighting the white wolf. But if I acknowledge him, both he and the white wolf can be satisfied, and we all win.
For the black wolf has qualities that I need and that the white wolf lacks: tenacity, courage, fearlessness, strength of will, and resourcefulness. The white wolf instead provides compassion, caring, heart, and the ability to value the needs of others over my own.
You see, the two wolves need each other. Feeding only one and starving the other will eventually make both uncontrollable. Caring for both allows them both to serve you, so that you can do something greater, something good with your time on earth. Feed them both and you will quiet their internal struggle for your attention, and, when there is no battle inside, you can then hear the voices of deeper knowledge that will guide you in choosing the right path in every circumstance.
Peace, my son, is what we must all strive for in life. He who has peace inside has everything. He who harbors a storm within his heart and soul has nothing. How you choose to treat the opposing forces within you will ultimately determine how you live.”
STARVE ONE OR THE OTHER OR GUIDE THEM BOTH. THIS IS THE TRUE MESSAGE OF THE STORY OF THE TWO WOLVES.
I knew this story but had never read the entire thing. This is perfect to me. So much wisdom in a few words.For a moment I thought you “might” have stumbled onto the rest of the “Cherokee” story.
You almost had it tho’, as your comment shows.
You wrote that you understand it’s about balance, about the Third discerning choice.
Balance.
Remember,
There is right action, (good) and wrong action,(evil), but it ALWAYS depends on the circumstances that dictate what action is appropriate, or so I’ve come to understand.
HERE’S HOW THE ORIGINAL STORY OF THE TWO WOLVES REALLY ENDS:
The old Cherokee smiled and replied, “If you feed them right, they both win.” The story goes on. “You see, if I only feed the white wolf, the black wolf will hide in the dark waiting for me to falter so that it can pounce and get the attention he craves. He will always be angry and will always be fighting the white wolf. But if I acknowledge him, both he and the white wolf can be satisfied, and we all win.
For the black wolf has qualities that I need and that the white wolf lacks: tenacity, courage, fearlessness, strength of will, and resourcefulness. The white wolf instead provides compassion, caring, heart, and the ability to value the needs of others over my own.
You see, the two wolves need each other. Feeding only one and starving the other will eventually make both uncontrollable. Caring for both allows them both to serve you, so that you can do something greater, something good with your time on earth. Feed them both and you will quiet their internal struggle for your attention, and, when there is no battle inside, you can then hear the voices of deeper knowledge that will guide you in choosing the right path in every circumstance.
Peace, my son, is what we must all strive for in life. He who has peace inside has everything. He who harbors a storm within his heart and soul has nothing. How you choose to treat the opposing forces within you will ultimately determine how you live.”
STARVE ONE OR THE OTHER OR GUIDE THEM BOTH. THIS IS THE TRUE MESSAGE OF THE STORY OF THE TWO WOLVES.
Thank you for posting this. I just had to let you know how much I appreciate it.
Debra
The Living Force
No need for a thanks, it’s just a few bits of “deleted” data.
Turns the whole story around tho’, doesn’t it?
Goes from “Old Testament” destruction of “evil” killing and starving “the other”, killing our “ego”, to working on oneself, and integrating those judged parts of ourselves, becoming Whole.
Although the “NewAge Sewage” movement over the last 40 years sure did a bang up job in infiltrating and twisting stories, like this one, for instance, some of us remember.
That’s why the forum is here.
Bringing truth to the lies.
If evil is intent to harm others, that is something to be aware of, and possibly to eradicate or to educate in ourselves, but how could one integrate it if they seek STO? How can intending to harm others be converted to self-control without negating the need in some way, being disgusted at it or starving it? Isn't the ultimate destination of evil said to be primal matter? It self-destructs if you don't feed it. The wolf story is still a good illustration of STS and STO, I think, especially as if you are completely blind to the dark side, you will probably trick yourself into thinking you're being good. But the story confuses me, or misses something here.
The story of white wolf and black wolf told above resembles the STO-STS duality from some aspects, but not exactly. It's rather like the Father-Mother duality or the Male-Female duality. Both sides need to be fed and brought to a balance. In the STO-STS (or Positivity vs Negativity) duality, however, we are not supposed to feed STS / negativity. Still, then, the fact that we'll be gradually increasing our STO and decreasing our STS will somehow end up feeding the STO-STS balance in the universe, apparently.
I have several mental blind points that annoy me regarding Yin-Yang; I mean the white point within the black half and vice versa. I don't get it exactly within the context of STO-STS duality but it somehow means balance, obviously, and that the two halves are one eventually or serve some common goal.
Ricardo
Jedi Council Member
So i'll give it my 2x cents approach , at all the levels consciousness (must ) meets consciousness , thus context and that which is met , even at 6th density C's still strive for it (7th) .
I'm not sure I grasp the opinion you expressed above, Ricardo. Do you mean, for instance, that the yin-yang of STO-STS duality still goes on even for 6D beings in their journey to 7D?
The C's say there's no duality in 5D through 7D. This implies that the STO-STS duality doesn't exist in those densities as well, despite the fact that they call themselves "6D STO" and that they talk about "5D STS" and even "6D STS" beings. This makes one ask "Is there an obvious contradiction here?" I think, no. They say STS in 5D is "encapsulated" and STS in 6D is "not unified", as opposed to STO.
They say 4D is the last density where STS can fully or effectively manifest. After 4D, then, we cannot talk about a full or profound duality between STO and STS. This duality seems to be restricted to 3D (partially at least) and 4D. Apparently, that's why they say "no duality 5D thru 7D".
