Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[Laura]

As other symptoms start to be less and less intense, new symptom ocured.
Pancreatitis. It hurts very much and nothing helps to relive the pain. Yesterday the pain was on wider area ,and today its more sharp pain. I still take salted water and vit c in thee evening ,but its not helping with this pain.
I wonder if its caused by bromine that was mobilized by iodine or by very high ldl cholesterol. Few days ago the doctor mentioned that its a possibility with such an elevated LDL.
I don't know how can I relive this pain and is it a dangerous condition., or what causing it. I'm still on keto diet .

Sounds rather like what Chu went through after starting the iodine: activation of her regularly recurring coxsackie virus. It would act up about once or twice a year and she would suffer terribly for about ten days, have to fast and all that, and then gradually, it would get better. This last time, as soon as it started, she just nuked it with iodine for about three or four days and it was gone and she's been fine since. I think Timotheos had a similar reaction and did the same thing. Obviously, it is a little problematic for you since you had such a reaction to the iodine as you did, probably from heavy metals detox. So, I dunno. Maybe some Lysine? That helps shingles.

 

[Konstantin]

As other symptoms start to be less and less intense, new symptom ocured.
Pancreatitis. It hurts very much and nothing helps to relive the pain. Yesterday the pain was on wider area ,and today its more sharp pain. I still take salted water and vit c in thee evening ,but its not helping with this pain.
I wonder if its caused by bromine that was mobilized by iodine or by very high ldl cholesterol. Few days ago the doctor mentioned that its a possibility with such an elevated LDL.
I don't know how can I relive this pain and is it a dangerous condition., or what causing it. I'm still on keto diet .

Does the pain radiate towards your back? Are you having nausea and vomiting that gets worse after eating? These are signs of pancreatitis. If it is or isn't pancreatitis, if you're having sharp pains in the abdominal area that are lasting this long you should probably get it checked out.

Ditto.

Maybe some calculi were mobilized from the gallbladder. Don't force yourself to eat. I would do a semi-fasting with water and broths (non fatty). If you tolerate that, you can eat easily digestible carbs and simple meats without too much fat. Continuing to eat a keto diet when there is a suspicion that your pancreas and gall bladder are struggling, is not a good idea.

I would continue to take enough vitamin C and salted water while doing a fasting. If it doesn't subside, do get a check-up.

After lunch ( liver with some garlic )I took some betaine HCL with pepsin, some Niacinamide and b2. Few hours before that 2 grams vitC. 2 hours after that I eat one small piece of pumpkin. Pain is little reduced now and its not so sharp. I don't know is there some way I can support my pancreas in all this. I will try to cake some lighter food from tommorow and see how my body will react

 

[Gaby]

After lunch ( liver with some garlic )I took some betaine HCL with pepsin, some Niacinamide and b2. Few hours before that 2 grams vitC. 2 hours after that I eat one small piece of pumpkin. Pain is little reduced now and its not so sharp. I don't know is there some way I can support my pancreas in all this. I will try to cake some lighter food from tommorow and see how my body will react

Digestive enzymes with meals are good, but fasting will be better now, at least for 24-48 hours. That will help you rest your whole digestive system. Then, you start with a non-fatty broth and then eating very simple and not very fatty meals. Apple cider vinegar added to your meals will help you to digest them.

Sounds like some fasting while help you to reduce the pain. Those supplements are also very good.

 

[Chu]

As other symptoms start to be less and less intense, new symptom ocured.
Pancreatitis. It hurts very much and nothing helps to relive the pain. Yesterday the pain was on wider area ,and today its more sharp pain. I still take salted water and vit c in thee evening ,but its not helping with this pain.
I wonder if its caused by bromine that was mobilized by iodine or by very high ldl cholesterol. Few days ago the doctor mentioned that its a possibility with such an elevated LDL.
I don't know how can I relive this pain and is it a dangerous condition., or what causing it. I'm still on keto diet .

Sounds rather like what Chu went through after starting the iodine: activation of her regularly recurring coxsackie virus. It would act up about once or twice a year and she would suffer terribly for about ten days, have to fast and all that, and then gradually, it would get better. This last time, as soon as it started, she just nuked it with iodine for about three or four days and it was gone and she's been fine since. I think Timotheos had a similar reaction and did the same thing. Obviously, it is a little problematic for you since you had such a reaction to the iodine as you did, probably from heavy metals detox. So, I dunno. Maybe some Lysine? That helps shingles.

I described the symptoms and what I did (which then Timotheos did as well) here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,13371.msg615328.html#msg615328

If any of that compares to what you had, then maybe you can try doing something similar? And yes, fasting, and sadly, zero fat! Your pancreas can't handle that when you're in that state. And notice how much vitamin C I needed to relieve the symptoms after a few days, but never managing to cure it completely. So, you're probably not taking enough for the pain to go away. But if you do the iodine protocol, you may not need much at all.

Notice, however, that I made the mistake of prolonging it too much, and had serious detox symptoms afterward (looked like bromine detox). So, 4-5 days should be enough, not 10, if you decide to go this route.

How much iodine are you taking? In any case, I hope you soon get better. If what you have is similar, that's the worst kind of physical pain I know of, and I don't wish it on anyone.

 

[jen1221]

I just wanted to share another update.

I had a pelvic ultrasound done on October 22nd, 2015. My results were as follows; Bilateral ovarian cysts/follicles 12mm complex hypoechoic probable hemorrhagic cyst in the left ovary, also 2cm subserosal fibroid of anterior uterus.

I started Iodine in early November. I have been at 50mg of Iodoral since mid-December.

I had a second pelvic ultrasound done January, 25th. My results were as follows; Small simple appearing bilateral ovarian follicles, the largest on the right. The previously described complex mass has resolved. Suspected 2.3cm fibroid of the anterior lower uterine segment.

Good news is, my cyst on my left ovary is gone! Bad news is, the fibroid is larger. Or, perhaps there was an error in measuring?

I will schedule another ultrasound in March or April to keep an eye on things. Hopefully, more good news to report!

 

[Gaby]

Good news is, my cyst on my left ovary is gone! Bad news is, the fibroid is larger. Or, perhaps there was an error in measuring?

I will schedule another ultrasound in March or April to keep an eye on things. Hopefully, more good news to report!

Very interesting! Thank you for sharing :)

I would say that the fibroid is probably the same size, there is always a variation in measurement depending on the examiner.

 

[Laura]

Here is a link to a paper on coxsackie virus and pancreatitis.

https://www.bioscience.org/1997/v2/e/ramsingh/ramsingh.pdf

Another piece here:
SEVERE ACUTE PANCREATITIS IN A 14-YEAR-OLD BOY AFTER COXSACKIE B VIRUS INFECTION
http://journals.lww.com/pancreasjournal/fulltext/2005/07000/severe_acute_pancreatitis_in_a_14_year_old_boy.22.aspx

Just search google with coxsackie pancreas or pancreatitis. Lots of stuff comes up.

 

[Mandrak]

I started using Lugols solution 15 percent, 7 drops per day. I do not have severe symptoms. I noticed that after 4 days of using, I feel stronger palpitation and headache, then I pause for 2 days and then continue taking the solution.
I have an important question about my brother: when I gave him 7 drops only once, since then, and the next 2 weeks, he has high blood pressure, 150/100. I read on the forums and I never saw that Lugols solution can cause such a reaction. Even it is used to reduce the pressure. But I saw one report that after several days of taking the maximum dose (50 mg) can increase blood pressure.
So the question is: is it possible that the iodine has caused problems with pressure through so many days after one intake and how to repair it?
I also note that the last two years I felt at my brother a hidden disease, something like a chronic lack of an element. He feels the problems, but he is attributed it to aging and nothing did about it. But I knew that it is not only aging. It emerged as a lack of energy, vitality, physical and mental.
Also, he previously, through a year not measured pressure, and he felt increasing of pressure as pain in the neck (back side, nape), insomnia and headache.

 

[Ennio]

Here's an update. Since last writing about 3 & 1/2 weeks ago I upped my dosage of Lugol's 10% from 3 to 6 drops a day. This was after doing 12 to 16 a drops a day for a few weeks, and experiencing some of the difficult symptoms mentioned here. Well, even at this lower dosage of 6 drops a day some really challenging effects of it appeared, but in different ways. Last week, while taking a short hike with friends, we were having a chat about something and I just started getting emotional and began to cry. There have been a couple of other times where - out of nowhere - same thing.

A few days after experiencing this I read of Konstantin and others' experiences here and the emotionality made sense. When I felt depressed several weeks ago, I hadn't felt weepy, just saddened. Maybe I expected things to look or feel only one way, but that's proving not to be the case. It seems to take different twists and turns and its a little 'crazy making' (if only internally) to be sure.

Some other things: more brain fog and difficulty concentrating on tasks, which requires will to push through at certain times. The most challenging side effect in recent days though has been tiredness. I'm usually ok with 7 to 7 & 1/2 hours of sleep but lately I've needed 8 & 1/2 or so. And even then sometimes the tiredness bogs me down at times during the day and evening. As Scottie would say, 'Hoo boy'!

Going forward, I am now taking a 5 day break (instead of the usual 2) and I'm going to up my Vit C intake to two doses a day if I can. Vit C and me will be likethis. ;) I also just started taking DMSA. I was reluctant to start doing it again since I did a full year protocol of DMSA several years ago already. But I realized that I had done it a year or two before having my amalgam fillings removed. So the heavy metal exposure was still there for a while even if I had probably chelated some of it. Anyway, it can't hurt.

At this point I think I'm going to go back down to 3 drops a day for a week or two until things stabilize more. And then maybe go back to 6 drops once I've incorporated more Vit C and the DMSA begins to kick in and get things moving. But I am certainly open to hearing other thoughts on this.

It may be repetitive to say but, again, this protocol can and will take some difficult turns for some of us. If you're doing it, it is VERY good to read others experiences of it and what seems to be helping ameliorate things AND to actually remind yourself that you're doing something very special that can really dredge things up! Share your experiences too. You will very likely be helping somebody else who sees your experience as similar to theirs. And this may seem like an obvious thing to suggest, but don't forget to do Eiriu Eolas when you can. When under the emotional sway of this or that I noticed, we sometimes forget to breathe properly - which only seems to add unneeded stress to the process. EE can really help with this. :)

 

[Ennio]

So I started cleaning.

I once broke into tears while scrubbing a toilet. Having spent much of the last 15 years doing various emotional/psychological clearing techniques, the poignancy of scrubbing crud off of a pristine, white toilet was all it took.

FWIW, these impulses to clean remind me of the following exchange. Maybe the protocol does something to signal to ourselves that we need to work on things from the bottom up in a sense?

Q: (L) Okay, is there any final bit of advice, or any last thing to say before we shut down for the night?

A: Just work daily at becoming more aware on three levels
1. Body and immediate environment,
2. Wider world affairs,
3. Cosmos and spirit.

Q: (L) Shouldn't "spirit" go with "Body and immediate environment"?

A: No, it is via the first steps that one achieves cosmic consciousness.

Q: (L) I don't understand.

(Chu) You have to work on the body and environment, and then understand the wider world at first. And then you can develop cosmic consciousness and spirit.

(L) Oooh. So in other words, to achieve cosmic consciousness, i.e. true spiritual advancement, you have to expand your field of vision to be very wide?

A: Exactly. Those who suggest that you must look only within live in a singular bubble.

 

[Divide by Zero]

So I started cleaning.

I once broke into tears while scrubbing a toilet. Having spent much of the last 15 years doing various emotional/psychological clearing techniques, the poignancy of scrubbing crud off of a pristine, white toilet was all it took.

FWIW, these impulses to clean remind me of the following exchange. Maybe the protocol does something to signal to ourselves that we need to work on things from the bottom up in a sense?

Q: (L) Okay, is there any final bit of advice, or any last thing to say before we shut down for the night?

A: Just work daily at becoming more aware on three levels
1. Body and immediate environment,
2. Wider world affairs,
3. Cosmos and spirit.

Q: (L) Shouldn't "spirit" go with "Body and immediate environment"?

A: No, it is via the first steps that one achieves cosmic consciousness.

Q: (L) I don't understand.

(Chu) You have to work on the body and environment, and then understand the wider world at first. And then you can develop cosmic consciousness and spirit.

(L) Oooh. So in other words, to achieve cosmic consciousness, i.e. true spiritual advancement, you have to expand your field of vision to be very wide?

A: Exactly. Those who suggest that you must look only within live in a singular bubble.

Ennio, that makes a lot of sense!

A while back reading a book about adrenal fatigue, the author had a meditative technique. What stood out for me is how he said you should only visualize the energy to flow in from the feet (ground if standing) and upwards, do not allow energy downwards. When we think about our own growth and free will, it is dependent on us to work on those "Karmic and simple understandings" as the C's stated. When I think about the "STS way", I think about black magic and how they seek to gather/"pray for" energy from above to come down and give them power. No matter how "good" the intentions are in the first place, they have given up their own ability to learn, by wanting it given to them from higher sources.

A: You see, my dear, when you arrive at 4th density, then you will see.
Q: (L) Well, how in the heck am I supposed to get there if I can't "get it?"
A: Who says you have to "get it" before you get there?
Q: (L) Well, that leads back to: what is the wave going to do to expand this awareness? Because, if the wave is what "gets you there," what makes this so?
A: No. It is like this: After you have completed all your lessons in "third grade," where do you go?
Q: (L) So, it is a question of...
A: Answer, please.
Q: (L) You go to fourth grade.
A: Okay, now, do you have to already be in 4th grade in order to be allowed to go there? Answer.
Q: (L) No. But you have to know all the 3rd density things...
A: Yes. More apropos: you have to have learned all of the lessons.
Q: (L) What kind of lessons are we talking about here?
A: Karmic and simple understandings.
Q: (L) What are the key elements of these understandings, and are they fairly universal?
A: They are universal.

 

[Ollie]

Going forward, I am now taking a 5 day break (instead of the usual 2) and I'm going to up my Vit C intake to two doses a day if I can. Vit C and me will be likethis. ;) I also just started taking DMSA. I was reluctant to start doing it again since I did a full year protocol of DMSA several years ago already. But I realized that I had done it a year or two before having my amalgam fillings removed. So the heavy metal exposure was still there for a while even if I had probably chelated some of it. Anyway, it can't hurt.

At this point I think I'm going to go back down to 3 drops a day for a week or two until things stabilize more. And then maybe go back to 6 drops once I've incorporated more Vit C and the DMSA begins to kick in and get things moving. But I am certainly open to hearing other thoughts on this.

My experience with starting the DMSA detox, again, is that it is better to do it without Lugols. There are enough reactions - fatigue, fogginess, poor memory - with the DMSA, even at the 200mg level, let alone at the 'weight adjusted' level (which I inadvertently did last week - round 3) without putting them on top of the reactions from taking Lugols. A lot of things are moving! And, a lot needs stabilizing before returning to Lugols, even at small doses.

 

[Konstantin]

As other symptoms start to be less and less intense, new symptom ocured.
Pancreatitis. It hurts very much and nothing helps to relive the pain. Yesterday the pain was on wider area ,and today its more sharp pain. I still take salted water and vit c in thee evening ,but its not helping with this pain.
I wonder if its caused by bromine that was mobilized by iodine or by very high ldl cholesterol. Few days ago the doctor mentioned that its a possibility with such an elevated LDL.
I don't know how can I relive this pain and is it a dangerous condition., or what causing it. I'm still on keto diet .

Sounds rather like what Chu went through after starting the iodine: activation of her regularly recurring coxsackie virus. It would act up about once or twice a year and she would suffer terribly for about ten days, have to fast and all that, and then gradually, it would get better. This last time, as soon as it started, she just nuked it with iodine for about three or four days and it was gone and she's been fine since. I think Timotheos had a similar reaction and did the same thing. Obviously, it is a little problematic for you since you had such a reaction to the iodine as you did, probably from heavy metals detox. So, I dunno. Maybe some Lysine? That helps shingles.

I described the symptoms and what I did (which then Timotheos did as well) here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,13371.msg615328.html#msg615328

If any of that compares to what you had, then maybe you can try doing something similar? And yes, fasting, and sadly, zero fat! Your pancreas can't handle that when you're in that state. And notice how much vitamin C I needed to relieve the symptoms after a few days, but never managing to cure it completely. So, you're probably not taking enough for the pain to go away. But if you do the iodine protocol, you may not need much at all.

Notice, however, that I made the mistake of prolonging it too much, and had serious detox symptoms afterward (looked like bromine detox). So, 4-5 days should be enough, not 10, if you decide to go this route.

How much iodine are you taking? In any case, I hope you soon get better. If what you have is similar, that's the worst kind of physical pain I know of, and I don't wish it on anyone.

I have read it and i have read the links that Laura posted.
Mine symptoms re not so severe like yours Chu. Yeaterday evening before bed , the pain was very small. I took some home made Kombucha tea yesterday evening and i add some home made Appce cider vinegar in it in one glass and i took 3 grams of vit C with it. And i feel better after that.I went to bed around 10:30 and have a good night sleep. THis morning when i get up at 7:30 i was without any pain. Just sum uncomfortable feeling in that area. Then i have a breakfast. And as soon as i started to eat the slight pain have came back. I took another dose of digestive enzymes, B3, B2. and i still have that uncomfortable feeling in pancreas area. I will try to avoid fats as much as i can as this settle down.

Since all this symptoms start i am off the iodine. Since my TSH was increased and i have a pain in my thyroid i stopped the protocol.

I have never have a pain in my pancreas before. All this weird symptoms started after taking iodine. So i guess i disturbed some bugs inside me, some viruses or i symply disturbed my entire endocrine system. If you add the detox symptoms and you have the whole picture.

Since i took such a small dose of iodine i was thinking of what Cs have said. That maybe i have just energized them and since i have done that all this symptoms appeared.

I`ll try to avoid fats , drink a lot of fluids and mega doses of Vit C, some fasting and see how will it develop.

Thank you everybody for all this advice's.

 

[Konstantin]

Here's an update. Since last writing about 3 & 1/2 weeks ago I upped my dosage of Lugol's 10% from 3 to 6 drops a day. This was after doing 12 to 16 a drops a day for a few weeks, and experiencing some of the difficult symptoms mentioned here. Well, even at this lower dosage of 6 drops a day some really challenging effects of it appeared, but in different ways. Last week, while taking a short hike with friends, we were having a chat about something and I just started getting emotional and began to cry. There have been a couple of other times where - out of nowhere - same thing.

A few days after experiencing this I read of Konstantin and others' experiences here and the emotionality made sense. When I felt depressed several weeks ago, I hadn't felt weepy, just saddened. Maybe I expected things to look or feel only one way, but that's proving not to be the case. It seems to take different twists and turns and its a little 'crazy making' (if only internally) to be sure.

Some other things: more brain fog and difficulty concentrating on tasks, which requires will to push through at certain times. The most challenging side effect in recent days though has been tiredness. I'm usually ok with 7 to 7 & 1/2 hours of sleep but lately I've needed 8 & 1/2 or so. And even then sometimes the tiredness bogs me down at times during the day and evening. As Scottie would say, 'Hoo boy'!

Going forward, I am now taking a 5 day break (instead of the usual 2) and I'm going to up my Vit C intake to two doses a day if I can. Vit C and me will be likethis. ;) I also just started taking DMSA. I was reluctant to start doing it again since I did a full year protocol of DMSA several years ago already. But I realized that I had done it a year or two before having my amalgam fillings removed. So the heavy metal exposure was still there for a while even if I had probably chelated some of it. Anyway, it can't hurt.

At this point I think I'm going to go back down to 3 drops a day for a week or two until things stabilize more. And then maybe go back to 6 drops once I've incorporated more Vit C and the DMSA begins to kick in and get things moving. But I am certainly open to hearing other thoughts on this.

It may be repetitive to say but, again, this protocol can and will take some difficult turns for some of us. If you're doing it, it is VERY good to read others experiences of it and what seems to be helping ameliorate things AND to actually remind yourself that you're doing something very special that can really dredge things up! Share your experiences too. You will very likely be helping somebody else who sees your experience as similar to theirs. And this may seem like an obvious thing to suggest, but don't forget to do Eiriu Eolas when you can. When under the emotional sway of this or that I noticed, we sometimes forget to breathe properly - which only seems to add unneeded stress to the process. EE can really help with this. :)

I must admit that i was not paying enough attention when i started iodine. I reported in some of my earlier posts here about depression. And i felt that after only one drop of iodine tincture. VEry weak solution probably around 1% or 2 %. And i dont pay attention to this because i thought that i cant have such an reaction from such a small dose. And it was more like a deep sadness like you described. But i did and it lead me to my current situation.
We are all different with different issues and we all have different reactions.But i think that iodine shaked our foundations. All things came to surface, physical and emotional. We still have a long way following this road and it was a bumpy road for some of us.
Take care and network here. Only that way we can understand and find solutions.

 

[Gaby]

So the question is: is it possible that the iodine has caused problems with pressure through so many days after one intake and how to repair it?

I don't think there is any permanent damage done here. However, it would have been better to attempt a lower dose from the beginning. The testimonials shared in this thread favors a careful approach. If you are going to experiment, it is a good idea to read other people's experiences as part of your research. Just a reminder in general.

How much unrefined salt did he took per day?