Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[nicklebleu]

Read this interesting article re thyroid cancer and iodine:

Aging (Albany NY). 2016 Dec 20. doi: 10.18632/aging.101143. [Epub ahead of print]
Effect of the micronutrient iodine in thyroid carcinoma angiogenesis.
Daniell K1,2, Nucera C1,2.

Abstract
Iodide is a micronutrient essential for thyroid hormone production. The uptake and metabolism of iodide by thyrocytes is crucial to proper thyroid function. Iodide ions are drawn into the thyroid follicular cell via the sodium-iodide symporter (NIS) in the cell membrane and become integrated into tyrosyl residues to ultimately form thyroid hormones. We sought to learn how an abnormal concentration of iodide within thyrocyte can have significant effects on the thyroid, specifically the surrounding vascular network. Insufficient levels of iodide can lead to increased expression or activity of several pathways, including vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF). The VEGF protein fuel vessel growth (angiogenesis) and therefore enhances the nutrients available to surrounding cells. Alternatively, normal/surplus iodide levels can have inhibitory effects on angiogenesis. Varying levels of iodide in the thyroid can influence thyroid carcinoma cell proliferation and angiogenesis via regulation of the hypoxia inducible factor-1 (HIF-1) and VEGF-dependent pathway. We have reviewed a number of studies to investigate how the effect of iodide on angiogenic and oxidative stress regulation can affect the viability of thyroid carcinoma cells. The various studies outlined give key insights to the role of iodide in thyroid follicles function and vascular growth, generally highlighting that insufficient levels of iodide stimulate pathways resulting in vascular growth, and viceversa normal/surplus iodide levels inhibit such pathways. Intriguingly, TSH and iodine levels differentially regulate the expression levels of angiogenic factors. All cells, including carcinoma cells, increase uptake of blood nutrients, meaning the vascular profile is influential to tumor growth and progression. Importantly, variation in the iodine concentrations also influence BRAFV600E-mediated oncogenic activity and might deregulate tumor proliferation. Although the mechanisms are not well eluted, iodine concentrations and metabolism might have a crucial influence on thyroid carcinoma cell viability via regulation of different molecular pathways, including angiogenesis regulatory autocrine and microenvironment-mediated signals.

Further down in the full-text version there is this passage:

Collectively, all the above studies suggest that abnormal concentrations of iodide in thyrocytes clearly have a direct effect on the function of the thyroid as well as the surrounding vasculature and overall thyroidal blood supply. Due to the reliance of carcinoma cells on the nutrients found in the blood, altering the vasculature round thyroid follicles also affects thyroid carcinoma cell viability. Stimulation of VEGF expression and angiogenesis via lack of iodide has shown to be positively correlated to thyroid carcinoma cell viability [6]. Alternatively, excessive amounts of iodide in the thyroid may decrease VEGF expression in thyrocytes and increase anti-angiogenic factors, therefore reducing the blood supply to both the thyroid and depriving any surround carcinoma cells of important nutrients that it would normally retrieve from the blood.

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Full-text is available here.

 

[hesperides]

I´ve got a fungal infection on my scalp and ears and have ordered betadine solution, which has just reached me this morning.

Before purchasing, I saw that sites offering betadine don´t state ingredients others than iodized povidone, normally 10 gr., which seemed a bit suspectful to me. Now these are the ingredients of my betadine solution: iodized povidone 10g., glycerol, sodium phosphate, citric acid, sodium hydroxide, laureth-9 and water.

My first question is I don´t know if nowadays part or all of these ingredients are added in any brand of betadine solution or not. I remember some of them are mostly to be discarded if possible.
Another question is I couldn't find which is the ideal mixture of water to the betadine solution, probably because most betadine´sites already offer the shampoo alternative, except in Spain where it isn´t available anymore, -although they leave it online like it still were available-.

During the last week I´ve already dabbed my fingers in a mixture of iodine and pure water and applied it over scalp and ears with some positive results. But I had forgotten the huge anteseptic and antifungal effects of betadine, until Laura mentioned it recently.

Thank you for sharing some insight!

 

[Persej]

I´ve got a fungal infection on my scalp and ears and have ordered betadine solution, which has just reached me this morning.

Before purchasing, I saw that sites offering betadine don´t state ingredients others than iodized povidone, normally 10 gr., which seemed a bit suspectful to me. Now these are the ingredients of my betadine solution: iodized povidone 10g., glycerol, sodium phosphate, citric acid, sodium hydroxide, laureth-9 and water.

My first question is I don´t know if nowadays part or all of these ingredients are added in any brand of betadine solution or not. I remember some of them are mostly to be discarded if possible.

Yes, they put other stuff in betadine.

Another question is I couldn't find which is the ideal mixture of water to the betadine solution, probably because most betadine´sites already offer the shampoo alternative, except in Spain where it isn´t available anymore, -although they leave it online like it still were available-.

In my country betadine foam has 7.5% of povidone-iodine. Standard betadine has 10% of povidone-idoine. So the foam is a little milder.

During the last week I´ve already dabbed my fingers in a mixture of iodine and pure water and applied it over scalp and ears with some positive results. But I had forgotten the huge anteseptic and antifungal effects of betadine, until Laura mentioned it recently.

I was using a shampoo with ketoconazole, with not much success. I will try betadine foam as soon as I get home.

 

[Konstantin]

Since last week there is some kind of huge epidemic of virus/ flu-like disease in Macedonia. Weather is dry and cold.
Symptoms are very high fever, vomiting, diarrhea, strong headaches. My son catches it, my wife could barely stand on her feet yesterday and my mother and father went to doctor this morning. Hospitals are full so patients with the temperature below 40C are released home because the extra bed is needed for serious cases.

I regularly take my iodine so for now maybe it helped me not catching this bug . I increased my dose to 6 drops of 5% Lugol , 4 times per week. 2 days on, 1 day off, then 2 days on again and 2 days off for the weekend.

 

[Altair]

I´ve got a fungal infection on my scalp and ears and have ordered betadine solution, which has just reached me this morning.

Before purchasing, I saw that sites offering betadine don´t state ingredients others than iodized povidone, normally 10 gr., which seemed a bit suspectful to me. Now these are the ingredients of my betadine solution: iodized povidone 10g., glycerol, sodium phosphate, citric acid, sodium hydroxide, laureth-9 and water.

My first question is I don´t know if nowadays part or all of these ingredients are added in any brand of betadine solution or not. I remember some of them are mostly to be discarded if possible.
Another question is I couldn't find which is the ideal mixture of water to the betadine solution, probably because most betadine´sites already offer the shampoo alternative, except in Spain where it isn´t available anymore, -although they leave it online like it still were available-.

During the last week I´ve already dabbed my fingers in a mixture of iodine and pure water and applied it over scalp and ears with some positive results. But I had forgotten the huge anteseptic and antifungal effects of betadine, until Laura mentioned it recently.

Thank you for sharing some insight!

Does betadine solution leave visible browny spots on your skin as iodine does?

 

[Konstantin]

I´ve got a fungal infection on my scalp and ears and have ordered betadine solution, which has just reached me this morning.

Before purchasing, I saw that sites offering betadine don´t state ingredients others than iodized povidone, normally 10 gr., which seemed a bit suspectful to me. Now these are the ingredients of my betadine solution: iodized povidone 10g., glycerol, sodium phosphate, citric acid, sodium hydroxide, laureth-9 and water.

My first question is I don´t know if nowadays part or all of these ingredients are added in any brand of betadine solution or not. I remember some of them are mostly to be discarded if possible.
Another question is I couldn't find which is the ideal mixture of water to the betadine solution, probably because most betadine´sites already offer the shampoo alternative, except in Spain where it isn´t available anymore, -although they leave it online like it still were available-.

During the last week I´ve already dabbed my fingers in a mixture of iodine and pure water and applied it over scalp and ears with some positive results. But I had forgotten the huge anteseptic and antifungal effects of betadine, until Laura mentioned it recently.

Thank you for sharing some insight!

Does betadine solution leave visible browny spots on your skin as iodine does?

I havent used Betadine for a some time but as I remember it leaves much less visible brown spots then iodine. As a kids, we always have iodine at home and i was always put it on my knees and elbows when i would injured them outside. Then we start buying Betadine for that because it was not possible to biy iodine in pharmacies anymore and I remember that it was not making stains on the skin as the iodine but it is still visible.

 

[Gaby]

Since last week there is some kind of huge epidemic of virus/ flu-like disease in Macedonia. Weather is dry and cold.
Symptoms are very high fever, vomiting, diarrhea, strong headaches. My son catches it, my wife could barely stand on her feet yesterday and my mother and father went to doctor this morning. Hospitals are full so patients with the temperature below 40C are released home because the extra bed is needed for serious cases.

I did a couple of night shifts at the clinic on the 23rd and 25th in Spain before going on holidays. The flu cases were beginning in earnest with the above symptoms. For those days, I did the following:

I kept my iodine dose at alternative days, adding a couple of extra drops to saturate all my lung fluids with iodine. I added potassium iodide on the other alternative days. I kept a bottle of vitamin C with me with around 12 grams of vitamin C that I could drink after seeing any person with flu-like symptoms. I washed my hands and all my items with alcohol quite regularly. I took several supplements: B complex vitamins, minerals, CoQ10, L-carnitine, spirulina, black currant oil, omega 3s, cod liver oil. I'm also doing an experimental protocol with green tea extract, leucine powder, L-carnosine, and blueberry powder. Apparently it is good to activate stem cells. Everytime I take that stuff, I feel energized. I also slept around 9 hours per day because of tiredness.

Knocking on wood,but at least that week, I didn't caught the flu. We'll see if I hold for the next few months.

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated people were arriving with the flu.

Take good care!

 

[Altair]

I´ve got a fungal infection on my scalp and ears and have ordered betadine solution, which has just reached me this morning.

Before purchasing, I saw that sites offering betadine don´t state ingredients others than iodized povidone, normally 10 gr., which seemed a bit suspectful to me. Now these are the ingredients of my betadine solution: iodized povidone 10g., glycerol, sodium phosphate, citric acid, sodium hydroxide, laureth-9 and water.

My first question is I don´t know if nowadays part or all of these ingredients are added in any brand of betadine solution or not. I remember some of them are mostly to be discarded if possible.
Another question is I couldn't find which is the ideal mixture of water to the betadine solution, probably because most betadine´sites already offer the shampoo alternative, except in Spain where it isn´t available anymore, -although they leave it online like it still were available-.

During the last week I´ve already dabbed my fingers in a mixture of iodine and pure water and applied it over scalp and ears with some positive results. But I had forgotten the huge anteseptic and antifungal effects of betadine, until Laura mentioned it recently.

Thank you for sharing some insight!

Does betadine solution leave visible browny spots on your skin as iodine does?

I havent used Betadine for a some time but as I remember it leaves much less visible brown spots then iodine. As a kids, we always have iodine at home and i was always put it on my knees and elbows when i would injured them outside. Then we start buying Betadine for that because it was not possible to biy iodine in pharmacies anymore and I remember that it was not making stains on the skin as the iodine but it is still visible.

Thanks, Konstantin. I'm thinking of using betadine against dandruff but still not sure since it leaves visible stains on the skin.

 

[Konstantin]

Since last week there is some kind of huge epidemic of virus/ flu-like disease in Macedonia. Weather is dry and cold.
Symptoms are very high fever, vomiting, diarrhea, strong headaches. My son catches it, my wife could barely stand on her feet yesterday and my mother and father went to doctor this morning. Hospitals are full so patients with the temperature below 40C are released home because the extra bed is needed for serious cases.

I did a couple of night shifts at the clinic on the 23rd and 25th in Spain before going on holidays. The flu cases were beginning in earnest with the above symptoms. For those days, I did the following:

I kept my iodine dose at alternative days, adding a couple of extra drops to saturate all my lung fluids with iodine. I added potassium iodide on the other alternative days. I kept a bottle of vitamin C with me with around 12 grams of vitamin C that I could drink after seeing any person with flu-like symptoms. I washed my hands and all my items with alcohol quite regularly. I took several supplements: B complex vitamins, minerals, CoQ10, L-carnitine, spirulina, black currant oil, omega 3s, cod liver oil. I'm also doing an experimental protocol with green tea extract, leucine powder, L-carnosine, and blueberry powder. Apparently it is good to activate stem cells. Everytime I take that stuff, I feel energized. I also slept around 9 hours per day because of tiredness.

Knocking on wood,but at least that week, I didn't caught the flu. We'll see if I hold for the next few months.

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated people were arriving with the flu.

Take good care!

In times like this, I think I must increase my Vit C Dosage and encourage my family to take more Vit C. They are usually afraid when I insist on giving my son more the 2 pills ( 2 x 500 mg ) per day. But somehow I manage to give him much more.

Thank you Gaby :)

 

[Ant22]

Since last week there is some kind of huge epidemic of virus/ flu-like disease in Macedonia. Weather is dry and cold.
Symptoms are very high fever, vomiting, diarrhea, strong headaches. My son catches it, my wife could barely stand on her feet yesterday and my mother and father went to doctor this morning. Hospitals are full so patients with the temperature below 40C are released home because the extra bed is needed for serious cases.

I did a couple of night shifts at the clinic on the 23rd and 25th in Spain before going on holidays. The flu cases were beginning in earnest with the above symptoms. For those days, I did the following:

I kept my iodine dose at alternative days, adding a couple of extra drops to saturate all my lung fluids with iodine. I added potassium iodide on the other alternative days. I kept a bottle of vitamin C with me with around 12 grams of vitamin C that I could drink after seeing any person with flu-like symptoms. I washed my hands and all my items with alcohol quite regularly. I took several supplements: B complex vitamins, minerals, CoQ10, L-carnitine, spirulina, black currant oil, omega 3s, cod liver oil. I'm also doing an experimental protocol with green tea extract, leucine powder, L-carnosine, and blueberry powder. Apparently it is good to activate stem cells. Everytime I take that stuff, I feel energized. I also slept around 9 hours per day because of tiredness.

Knocking on wood,but at least that week, I didn't caught the flu. We'll see if I hold for the next few months.

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated people were arriving with the flu.

Take good care!

I'm visiting my family in Poland and there is also an epidemic of a flu-like virus spreading around. My family has been quite forgetful about iodine over the last couple of months and they only took it if they remembered, usually every a couple of days or so. They started the protocol last December with me. I got them to read about iodine, fluoride and bromine back then and the information they found was convincing enough to them - but clearly not enough to for the motivation to last a year though. I showed them what you wrote this morning (with google translate), especially in relation to the flu-like virus, and next thing I knew a round of iodine was distributed as a post breakfast treat around the table:) Thanks for posting this! It was a really timely testimony!

As for me, I haven't caught any colds or bugs in a year now. And that's quite unusual as my immune system was really weak before, probably due to my doc feeding me antibiotics for a year and a half between 2011-2013. During winter months I'd catch a cold all the time, with tonsillitis at least twice a year and if someone came to work with a running nose I was guaranteed to to catch it too. Not to mention that my symptoms were usually much worse than those of the people I caught the bugs from.

I don't know to what extent it's either caused or enhanced by my very strong belief that now that I'm on iodine I can't catch anything. I remember back in spring my colleague came to have lunch with me at my desk and he had a massive cold. He kept sneezing all the time and he was very apologetic about this. I said to him that I couldn't really catch it because iodine worked like a shield for me so he could sneeze all he liked.
And I did not catch the cold - as opposed to pretty much everyone else, the whole office had a cold one by one. The same thing happened in November/December when due to a severe case of "presenteeism" people were coming to work with colds and temperature and I didn't even have a running nose.

I can't take a lot of vitamin C due to Hemochromatosis which makes my body absorb too much iron, because vitamin C enhances iron absorption. I usually stick to up to a gram a day, far away from foods containing iron. But I do take all other co-supplements daily.

I was actually pretty shocked when in one of the recent sessions Laura said she was coming down with something actually but somehow it didn't affect my belief that iodine does give me protection. A year of not being sick or ill at all that followed years of coming down with anything and everything clearly did the job for my belief center :)

I hope you guys stay well and unaffected by the flu-like virus and your family members recover quickly!!

 

[hesperides]

Thanks for your input Persej. There seems to be a lot of people out there on forums who are getting good results at eliminating dandruff with betadine.

Nevertheless, since I´ve some fungal infection, I´ll reintroduce coffee and probiotics enema aside of following a stricter diet again and restart taking zinc as one of an important healing factor for any kind of skin issue.

Altair, after dabbing my fingers in betadine, I´m able to take it off when scraping them with a hard sponge, which is much more difficult or even impossible with iodine in my experience. Fwiw.

 

[Christine]

Est-ce que vetedine a la même composition que betadine?
Parce que vetedine n'a pas de date d'expiration alors que betadine en a une, impossible de trouver la composition exacte de vetedine sur internet.

Does vetedine have the same composition as betadine?
Because vetedine does not have an expiration date while betadine has one, impossible to find the exact composition of vetedine on the internet.

 

[Gaby]

Est-ce que vetedine a la même composition que betadine?
Parce que vetedine n'a pas de date d'expiration alors que betadine en a une, impossible de trouver la composition exacte de vetedine sur internet.

It does seem to be the same thing, the only difference is the brand name. Vetedine is marketed for animals. In general, betadine remains useful even after its expiration date.

 

[zak]

Est-ce que vetedine a la même composition que betadine?
Parce que vetedine n'a pas de date d'expiration alors que betadine en a une, impossible de trouver la composition exacte de vetedine sur internet.

It does seem to be the same thing, the only difference is the brand name. Vetedine is marketed for animals. In general, betadine remains useful even after its expiration date.

:
You can find more about what Gaby said through those links (In French)
-http://forum.chevalmag.com/index.php?topic=8548.0
-http://www.pharmanimal.com/catalog/fichespdf/VETEDINE%20SOLUTION.pdf?osCsid=8s6lt7gjnvkg63nuvts3rjc4m2

Difference between vetedine and betadine ??

In the composition no difference: it is the same product: it is iodine diluted to 10%

But betadine is manufactured (and sold!) By the pharamceutic groups for human, and the vetedine manufactured and sold by the veterinary groups;

Basically, the doctor will sell you the betadine and the vet the vetedine, it is just a question of who to return the pennies

So in fact it is enough to use the product that you have at your place without asking you too much question (you can very well use of the vetedine for you and of the betadine for your animals)

 

[Christine]

Merci Gaby et Zak,
Je suis déjà allé sur les 2 sites que vous m’avez proposé, ce que je voulais savoir c’était la composition exacte de vetedine, pour la betadine il le mets mais pas pour vetedine .

Betadine :
Excipients Glycérol (E422), Macrogol laurique ether, Phosphate disodique, Citrique acide (E330), Sodium hydroxyde (E524), Eau purifiée

(Citrique acide : Cendres sulfatées (≤ 0,05%), oxalates (≤ 100 mg/kg), matières facilement carbonisables (≤ n.s.), traces de métaux lourds, de plomb, de mercure, d'arsenic…)

Vetedine :
Polyvidone iodée 100 mg
Excipient q.s.p. 1 mL

J’ai toujours utilisais Bétadine même après la date d’expiration, mais il y a de la citrique acide ça me bloque un peu à cause des traces de métaux lourd, j’ai une bouteille de vetedine dans mon armoire, je l’ai pris pour le rinçage de mes cheveux mais si vous dites que c’est exactement la même composition que Bétadine je ne sais pas si je devrais continuer à l’utiliser. C’est comme le gluten, quand on arrête dans prendre on doit surtout éviter de prendre des farines ou autres aliments avec des traces de gluten et là il y a des traces de métaux lourds.


Thank you Gaby and Zak,
I've already been on the 2 sites that you proposed to me, what I wanted to know was the exact composition of vetedine, for the betadine it put it but not for vetedine.
Betadine:
Excipients Glycerol (E422), Macrogol lauric ether, Disodium phosphate, Citric acid (E330), Sodium hydroxide (E524), Purified water

(Citric acid: Sulphated ash (≤ 0.05%), oxalates (≤ 100 mg / kg), easily carbonizable materials (≤ n.s.), traces of heavy metals, lead, mercury, arsenic ...)
Vetedine:
Polyvidone iodine 100 mg
Excipient q.s.p. 1 mL

I always used Bétadine even after the expiration date, but there is citric acid that blocked me a little because of heavy metal traces, I have a bottle of vetedine in my cupboard, I took it For the rinsing of my hair but if you say that it is exactly the same composition as Bétadine I do not know if I should continue to use it. It's like gluten, when you stop taking it should avoid especially taking flour or other foods with traces of gluten and there are traces of heavy metals.