Iodine and Potassium Iodide

Spray bottles usually come with a mechanism containing a metal ball (serves as a one way valve) and a metal spring through which spray fluid flows. Iodine reacts with metals.
I used a spray bottle for iodine (Lugols) as a deodorant but the described mechanism literally fell apart after a few weeks.
And what is the (nus)product of their reaction, the one you get on your skin...?
 

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TheTodd said:
Spray bottles usually come with a mechanism containing a metal ball (serves as a one way valve) and a metal spring through which spray fluid flows. Iodine reacts with metals.
I used a spray bottle for iodine (Lugols) as a deodorant but the described mechanism literally fell apart after a few weeks.
And what is the (nus)product of their reaction, the one you get on your skin...?

Thanks for this TheTodd, it would be pointless to waste money on a bottle in that case. Maybe re-using a bottle I bought with another product once the product has run out would be a workaround. Otherwise the bottle would end up in the bin anyway so if it falls apart after a couple of weeks it won't matter much.

Using an essential oil bottle like nature suggested is still a really good idea though.

Another option would be just dipping cotton pads the iodine solution and then applying it on the skin. But I wouldn't be surprised if this actually caused some staining due to friction. Nature reported above that massaging diluted iodine into the scalp did stain her skin a little, although it wasn't anything major.
 
Never put pure lugols into any bottle that has metal. Even a tiny bit of the iodine crystal discolored my tiny spoon and it wasn't wet! That's how strong iodine (the element- not iodide) is to finding electrons to strip off atoms. Plastic depends on the plastic, but I avoid that!

For my spray bottle setup, I use diluted lugols in water with quite a bit of xylitol dissolved in the water to help against biofilms. I spray it into my mouth before brushing my teeth.

The xylitol is fine on the skin too, no problems or stickyness since it's dissolved.
 
There is almost one yea since I started with iodine. At the beginning of last January, I had a very powerful reaction from oral consumption of a tiny quantity of iodine on 20th January. Then I have a severe reaction so I paused for 2 months and then I started very gentle approach, heel dosing. Now I'm taking 6 drops of 5% lugols without any major reactions.

All this time i was keeping my so called " iodine diary".

I'm posting it here so you can see the timings and dosages and reactions from it. Other supplements are not written. Only in the beginning, but later I wrote just the iodine dosages.

Maybe this will help the newbies to see how slowly was I building my iodine consumption.


20-01-2016 - In the evening swollen left tonsil. Little pain when turning the head.

21-01-2016 - 1 drop 5% Lugols, B2, B3, Se, + Salt. ( salt at 7 am and Lugols and co-factors at 8 am) / 5g Vit C at 3 pm
No reaction
22-01-2016 - 1 drop 5% Lugols, B2, B3, Se, + Salt. ( salt at 7 am and Lugols and co-factors at 8 am) / 5g Vit C at 3 pm
No reaction
Heavy reaction, Heart palpitations, Pain in the left side of the thyroid, Fever.

Pause due to severe iodine reactions and disrupted TSH levels


28-03-2016 - 1 drop alcoholic lugol solution on left heel
No reaction
29-03-2016 - light Depression.
30-03-2016 - 1 drop lugol 2.5% solution on right heel
No reaction.
31-03-2016 - Slight discomfort and tingling and pain when coughing from the inside, in the right side of the thyroid. Sore throat. Not painful on the touch from outside.

01-04-2016 - Same as yesterday but less intense.
02-04-2016 - I feel very hungry. I ate about 500 g fatty pork meat for lunch and i`m still hungry. Feel hungry all day. Probably a Bromine detox symptom.

04-04-2016 - 1 drop lugol 2.5% solution on left heel
Insomnia, feel very stressed, can't calm the mind, Depression.
05-04-2016 - 1 drop lugol 1 % solution on right heel
Sore throat.
06-04-2016 - 1 drop lugol 1 % solution on left heel
No reaction, Good night sleep with dreams.
07-04-2016 - 1 drop lugol 1 % solution on right heel
No reaction.
08-04-2016 - 1 drop lugol 1 % solution on left heel
No reaction.
10-04-2016 - drop alcoholic Iodine tincture on right heel
Depression, no other reaction
11-04-2016 - 1 drop lugol 1 % solution on left heel
Depression, light discomfort in pancreatic area.
14-04-2016 - 1 drop lugol 1 % solution on right heel
No reaction.
SInce 9-04-2016 strong pain under right shoulder blade. Not sure if it's from iodine.
15-04-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution on left heel
No reaction
Pain under right shoulder blade is weaker today
17-04-2016 - 4 drops lugol 1 % solution on right heel
Feel energized and get up very early from the bed. In 5 am. Also very light night sleep.
18-04-2016 - 4 drops lugol 1 % solution on left heel
No reaction
19-04-2016 - 4 drops lugol 1 % solution on right heel
No reaction
20-04-2016 - 5 drops lugol 1 % solution on left heel
No reaction
21-04-2016 - 5 drops lugol 1 % solution on right heel
No reaction
25-04-2016 - 4 drops lugol 1 % solution on right heel
No reaction
27-04-2016 - 6 drops lugol 1 % solution on left heel
No reaction
28-04-2016 - 5 drops lugol 1 % solution on right heel
No reaction
03-05-2016 - 7 drops lugol 1 % solution on left heel
No reaction
04-05-2016 - 6 drops lugol 1 % solution on right heel
No reaction
05-05-2016 - 5 drops lugol 1 % solution on left heel
No reaction
06-05-2016 - 5 drops lugol 1 % solution on left heel
No reaction

ORAL CONSUMPTION


09-05-2016 - 1 drop lugol 1 % solution
No reaction
16-05-2016 - 1 drop lugol 1 % solution
No reaction
22-05-2016 - 1 drop lugol 1 % solution
No reaction

30-05-2016 - 1 drop lugol 1 % solution
No reaction
31-05-2016 - Combined with 1.5mg of Melatonin in the night , felt the uncomfort in the thyroid
02-06-2016 - 1 drop lugol 1 % solution
No reaction except hunger
06-06-2016 - 1 drop lugol 1 % solution
Hunger, depresion
09-06-2016 - 1 drop lugol 1 % solution
Hunger, depresion
13-06-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
No reaction
16-06-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
No reaction

20-06-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
No reaction first day and then hard heart pounding.
22-06-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
Small discomfort at the right side of the throat.
24-06-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
No reaction
27-06-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
Insomnia, depression
29-06-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
Insomnia, depression
01-07-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
Insomnia
04-07-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
Insomnia
06-07-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
Insomnia
08-07-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
No reaction
11-07-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
No reaction
13-07-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
No reaction
15-07-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
No reaction
18-07-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
No reaction
20-07-2016 - 2 drops lugol 1 % solution
No reaction

22-07-2016 - 2 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
No reaction
01-08-2016 - 1 drop lugol 2.5 % solution
No reaction
03-08-2016 - 2 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
No reaction
05-08-2016 - 2 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
No reaction
08-08-2016 - 2 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
No reaction
10-08-2016 - 2 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
No reaction
12-08-2016 - 3 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
No reaction
15-08-2016 - 3 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
Bitter taste in the mouth
17-08-2016 - 3 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
Bitter taste in the mouth
19-08-2016 - 3 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
Bitter taste in the mouth
22-08-2016 - 3 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
No reaction
24-08-2016 - 3 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
No reaction
26-08-2016 - 3 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
Lot of mucus
28-08-2016 - 3 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
No reaction
31-08-2016 - 3 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
No reaction
02-09-2016 - 4 drops lugol 2.5 % solution
No reaction
05-09-2016 - 2 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
07-09-2016 - 2 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
09-09-2016 - 2 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
12-09-2016 - 2 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
14-09-2016 - 2 drops lugol 5 % solution
Depression
16-09-2016 - 2 drops lugol 5 % solution
Depression, stiff and painful neck. Headache,Urinating a lot
19-09-2016 - 2 drops lugol 5 % solution
Depression, stiff and painful neck. Headache,Urinating a lot
21-09-2016 - 2 drops lugol 5 % solution
Depression, stiff and painful neck. Headache,Urinating a lot
23-09-2016 - 3 drops lugol 5 % solution
Headache,Urinating a lot
26-09-2016 - 2 drops lugol 5 % solution
Eyes sensitive to light,Headaches .

28-09-2016 - 3 drops lugol 5 % solution
Light depression , Headaches.
30-09-2016 - 3 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
03-10-2016 - 3 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
05-10-2016 - 3 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
07-10-2016 - 4 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
10-10-2016 - 3 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
12-10-2016 - 4 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
14-10-2016 - 4 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
17-10-2016 - 4 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
19-10-2016 - 4 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
21-10-2016 - 4 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
24-10-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
26-10-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
28-10-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.Lot of energy
31-10-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
02-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
04-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
04-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
07-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
08-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
10-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
11-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
14-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
15-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
17-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
18-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
21-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
22-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
24-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
25-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
28-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
29-11-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
01-12-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction, Depression
02-12-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction.
05-12-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction, Depression
06-12-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
08-12-2016 - 5 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction, Depression
09-12-2016 - 6 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
12-12-2016 - 6 drops lugol 5 % solution
Headaches, Pain in the sinuses and eyes
13-12-2016 - 6 drops lugol 5 % solution
Headaches, Pain in the sinuses and eyes
15-12-2016 - 6 drops lugol 5 % solution
Light Headaches, Pain in the sinuses and eyes
16-12-2016 - 6 drops lugol 5 % solution
Light Headaches, Pain in the sinuses and eyes
19-12-2016 - 6 drops lugol 5 % solution
Depression
20-12-2016 - 6 drops lugol 5 % solution
Depression
22-12-2016 - 6 drops lugol 5 % solution
Depression
23-12-2016 - 6 drops lugol 5 % solution
Light Depression
26-12-2016 - 6 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
27-12-2016 - 6 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
29-12-2016 - 6 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
30-12-2016 - 6 drops lugol 5 % solution
No reaction
 
Persej said:
RedFox said:
Are you taking selenium with the iodine Konstantin?

Yes, he mentioned it in his diary:

21-01-2016 - 1 drop 5% Lugols, B2, B3, Se, + Salt. ( salt at 7 am and Lugols and co-factors at 8 am) / 5g Vit C at 3 pm

I did see that, just wanted to check the other entires without it mentioned.
 
Divide By Zero said:
Never put pure lugols into any bottle that has metal. Even a tiny bit of the iodine crystal discolored my tiny spoon and it wasn't wet! That's how strong iodine (the element- not iodide) is to finding electrons to strip off atoms. Plastic depends on the plastic, but I avoid that!
....

It leaches gold down too. It can be used in gold mining operations if you can disregard the Lugols price. Cyanide or mercury gold separation is more cost effective.

[quote author=http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=21769]
...
Interestingly, the reaction of iodine upon gold is reversible:

Action of Iodine on Gold.
At ordinary temperatures pure dry iodine is without action on gold ; between 50° C. and the melting point of iodine combination takes place with the formation of amorphous iodide; above that temperature crystalline aurous iodide is formed. The direct reaction is always limited by the inverse decomposition of the iodide formed, but in the presence of excess of iodide pure aurous iodide may be obtained; this in excess is then best removed by subliming the mixture at a temperature of 30° ... In the presence of water, gold and iodine react in a closed vessel to form aurous iodide, but the reaction is limited, and, at normal temperatures, if the iodine can escape, the iodide is entirely decomposed. — F. Meyer (Comptes rend., 1904, 139, 733).
Pharmaceutical journal; A weekly record of pharmacy and allied sciences, Volume LXXIV, Great Britain, 1905

For more information about the chemistry of iodine and gold, see "Hand-book of chemistry", Leopold Gmelin, Volume 6, p211


One of the more obscure ways to reduce gold(III) chloride back to elemental gold is to use an alkaline solution of hydrogen peroxide. Although usually oxidizer, in some reactions H2O2 can act as a reducing agent.

(2)AuCl4[-] + (3)H2O2 + (6)OH[-] --> (2)Au + (8)Cl[-] + (6)H2O + (3)O2

The gold from this reaction usually separates out in a finely divided state, and appears brown by reflected light and greenish blue by transmitted light. If very dilute solutions are used, the gold sometimes separates out forming a yellowish film on the sides of the test tube.
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[quote author=http://goldrefiningforum.com/~goldrefi/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=127]
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Iodine leach goes to work immediately on Gold, then Platinums, then Silver, in that
order. It tends to ignore the other "Trash" metals. Naturally, it is about PH 4-5,
and is kept there, especially in the presence of Alkali metals, by adding small amounts of HCL acid.
Typically 24-48 hours to collect fine gold.
The leach will only stop working when the PH rises to 7.
Mix everything together in your container, making sure you have fresh air circulation, as confined
Iodine fumes can be toxic, and burn your eyes. For agitation, you can add a small air bubbler with
stone at the bottom of the leach tank, like
those used in aquariums, to keep the mixture circulating.
...
[/quote]

YT video (one of many):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42CM7SO2nxQ
 
Interesting. Yeah a while back I mentioned how F, Cl, Br, I (same row in periodic table, next to noble gasses) are all -1 meaning they love electrons. I still am confused how F and Br are bad for us, yet Cl and I are beneficial.

Any ideas?
 
Divide By Zero said:
Interesting. Yeah a while back I mentioned how F, Cl, Br, I (same row in periodic table, next to noble gasses) are all -1 meaning they love electrons. I still am confused how F and Br are bad for us, yet Cl and I are beneficial.

Any ideas?

I am a poor scientist/chemist but looking at the Periodic Table Iodine is a solid while F, Cl and Br are liquids.
The density of Iodine is 4.94 g/cc while F, Cl and Br are lower with Fl being the lowest at 1.969 g/l.
Also I notice that the melting point of Iodine is much higher than the others at 184.3C.
The melting point of F is -219.6 C
The melting point of Cl is -34.04 C
The melting point of Br is -7.3 C

Pure conjecture makes me wonder if Iodine is not more stable at body temperature than the others and that could be part of the equation?
 
Divide By Zero said:
Never put pure lugols into any bottle that has metal. Even a tiny bit of the iodine crystal discolored my tiny spoon and it wasn't wet! That's how strong iodine (the element- not iodide) is to finding electrons to strip off atoms. Plastic depends on the plastic, but I avoid that!

For my spray bottle setup, I use diluted lugols in water with quite a bit of xylitol dissolved in the water to help against biofilms. I spray it into my mouth before brushing my teeth.

The xylitol is fine on the skin too, no problems or stickyness since it's dissolved.

Yeah, exactly! Thank you for this reminder. It's important to choose flacons without metallic part.
Exemples in this picture
 

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Divide By Zero said:
Interesting. Yeah a while back I mentioned how F, Cl, Br, I (same row in periodic table, next to noble gasses) are all -1 meaning they love electrons. I still am confused how F and Br are bad for us, yet Cl and I are beneficial.

Any ideas?

I think they are -1 in the ion form, not the elemental form. The elemental form should always be 0. But many elements are not stable in elemental form. I think these might be unstable in elemental form and tend to take an electron and ionize to the -1 ion form.
 
Thanks Hlat,
It's been a long time since college chem. I was interested, but we barely use it. Heck, people don't even know how to change a tire anymore!

So it's 0 but looking to be -1 (extra electron added to "balance" outer valence). Much easier to understand thanks.
 

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