Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[Konstantin]

Hi everyone.

I'm wondering if anyone here knows the best way to approach Hashimoto's disease. In my last blood test my Anti Thyroglobulin antibodies are high, as is Thyroid Peroxidase, TPO. My doctor suggested it's Hashimoto's, and I'm doing more blood work probably next week.

I'm re-reading Brownstein on this but if someone here is experienced in this area I'd appreciate a head's up. I suffer from this cloudy brain syndrome, which makes more technical type research a bit difficult and overwhelming at times.

I did do a 24 hour urine test for iodine and I'm not as deficient in iodine as I would have thought. You want to see 90% of the 50 mg Iodoral tablet returned in the urine and mine was 83%. Not nearly as bad as I thought.

I have taken some Iodoral off and on in the past -- not a great deal though. I'm holding off until I understand better what I need to do.

I just found someone by the name of Dr. Richard Hagmeyer on Youtube. His website states too much iodine can be an underlying cause of Hashimoto's, whereas Brownstein states the opposite.

Anyway, I will continue looking into it, but if anyone here has some experience with this I'd be grateful for some advice.

I am not an expert in this but since I have read Dr Brownstein book before I started iodine, one idea came to my mind.
I dont know if you are supplementing with Selenium. If not , then you should start.
See the articles bellow:

_https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11932302

In areas with severe selenium deficiency there is a higher incidence of thyroiditis due to a decreased activity of selenium-dependent glutathione peroxidase activity within thyroid cells. Selenium-dependent enzymes also have several modifying effects on the immune system. Therefore, even mild selenium deficiency may contribute to the development and maintenance of autoimmune thyroid diseases. We performed a blinded, placebo-controlled, prospective study in female patients (n = 70; mean age, 47.5 +/- 0.7 yr) with autoimmune thyroiditis and thyroid peroxidase antibodies (TPOAb) and/or Tg antibodies (TgAb) above 350 IU/ml. The primary end point of the study was the change in TPOAb concentrations. Secondary end points were changes in TgAb, TSH, and free thyroid hormone levels as well as ultrasound pattern of the thyroid and quality of life estimation. Patients were randomized into 2 age- and antibody (TPOAb)-matched groups; 36 patients received 200 microg (2.53 micromol) sodium selenite/d, orally, for 3 months, and 34 patients received placebo. All patients were substituted with L-T(4) to maintain TSH within the normal range. TPOAb, TgAb, TSH, and free thyroid hormones were determined by commercial assays. The echogenicity of the thyroid was monitored with high resolution ultrasound. The mean TPOAb concentration decreased significantly to 63.6% (P = 0.013) in the selenium group vs. 88% (P = 0.95) in the placebo group. A subgroup analysis of those patients with TPOAb greater than 1200 IU/ml revealed a mean 40% reduction in the selenium-treated patients compared with a 10% increase in TPOAb in the placebo group. TgAb concentrations were lower in the placebo group at the beginning of the study and significantly further decreased (P = 0.018), but were unchanged in the selenium group. Nine patients in the selenium-treated group had completely normalized antibody concentrations, in contrast to two patients in the placebo group (by chi(2) test, P = 0.01). Ultrasound of the thyroid showed normalized echogenicity in these patients. The mean TSH, free T(4), and free T(3) levels were unchanged in both groups. We conclude that selenium substitution may improve the inflammatory activity in patients with autoimmune thyroiditis, especially in those with high activity. Whether this effect is specific for autoimmune thyroiditis or may also be effective in other endocrine autoimmune diseases has yet to be investigated.

And some more here
_https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-lookup/doi/10.1210/jcem.87.4.8421

 

[PERLOU]

Suite à l'article Sott sur l'argent colloidal :
https://fr.sott.net/article/30729-L-argent-colloidal-pour-tuer-des-microbes-et-virus-et-tant-d-autres-choses

J'ai fait des recherches :

http://www.biocolloidal.fr/
Vente en ligne de flacons d’Argent Colloïdal - Bio colloïdal
Bio colloïdal est un laboratoire commercialisant des flacons d’argent colloïdal 100% naturels. Oligo-élément naturel reconnu pour ses vertus antimicrobiennes.

BIOCOLLOIDAL.FR


Christiane Triquet : Je vous transmets une explication concernant notre produit.

L'INCI (International Nomenclature of Cosmetic Ingredients) définit
l'argent colloïdal comme une "solution composée de particules d'argent dans de l'eau pure.
Cette solution doit être fabriquée par électrolyse".
L'argent Colloïdal de haute qualité est très stable et surtout
bio-disponible, c'est à dire 100% assimilable. Il ne faut pas confondre
bio-disponible et le terme "bio" signifiant que le produit est issu de
l'agriculture biologique.
L'argent colloïdal n'est pas issu de l'agriculture biologique et ne peut
donc pas obtenir le label "Bio".
Certaines solutions contenant des particules d'argent mélangées avec des
huiles essentielles bio ont obtenu le label "bio" mais ce n'est plus de
l'argent colloïdal. Dès lors, ces solutions ne devraient pas s'appeler
"Argent Colloïdal".

Cordialement,

Alain LE BORGNE

--
Laboratoire Bio Colloïdal
52 rue de la libération
53 200 CHATEAU-GONTIER
Tél : 02 43 70 10 94



L'argent colloïdal pour tuer des microbes et virus et tant d'autres choses -- Sott.net
Une simple suspension de particules d'argent…
FR.SOTT.NET


Don Duca m'écrit sur Facebook
Christiane, ionic colloids are marginally effective, but the latest medical silver technology is so more bioavailable that it requires only a minuscule amount to outperform the old technology discolored colloids at much higher doses. This statement is backed by an impressive amount of clinical and university studies which can be read here www.lifesilver.com/max
This is also the type favoured and used at the sott chateau...

Traduction :
Christiane, les colloïdes ioniques sont peu efficaces, mais la dernière technologie d'argent médicale est tellement plus biodisponible qu'elle ne nécessite qu'un minuscule montant pour surpasser les anciennes technologie décoloré à des doses beaucoup plus élevées. Cette déclaration est soutenue par une quantité impressionnante d'études cliniques et universitaires qui peuvent être lues ici www.lifesilver.com/max
C'est aussi le type préféré et utilisé au château de charte...


Réponse à Don Duca merci pour votre lien très intéressant, je viens de le lire... En France le produit buvable n'est pas autorisé, et les frais de livraison sont plus cher que le produit lui-même... Je réfléchis...

Qu'en pensez-vous ?... Merci pour vos réponses...



Following the article Sott on colloidal silver:
https://fr.sott.net/article/30729-L-argent-colloidal-pour-tuer-des-microbes-et-virus-et-tant-d-autres-choses

I did some research :

http://www.biocolloidal.fr/
Online sale of Colloidal Silver Flasks - Colloidal Bio
Bio colloïdal is a laboratory commercializing bottles of 100% natural colloidal silver. A natural trace element recognized for its antimicrobial properties.

BIOCOLLOIDAL.FR


Christiane Triquet: I give you an explanation concerning our product.

The INCI (International Nomenclature of Cosmetic Ingredients) defines
Colloidal silver as a "solution composed of silver particles in pure water.
This solution must be manufactured by electrolysis ".
High quality Colloidal silver is very stable and especially
Bio-available, ie 100% assimilable. It should not be confused
Bio-available and the term "bio" meaning that the product is
biological agriculture.
Colloidal silver does not come from organic farming and can not
Therefore not to obtain the label "Bio".
Some solutions containing silver particles mixed with
Organic essential oils have been awarded the "organic" label but it is no longer
Colloidal silver. Therefore, these solutions should not be called
"Colloidal Silver".

Regards,

Alain LE BORGNE

-
Laboratory Bio Colloidal
52 rue de la liberation
53 200 CHATEAU-GONTIER
Tel: 02 43 70 10 94



Colloidal silver to kill germs and viruses and so much more - Sott.net
A simple suspension of silver particles ...
FR.SOTT.NET

Don Duca writes me on Facebook :
Christiane, ionic colloids are marginally effective, but the latest medical silver technology is so more bioavailable that it requires only a minuscule amount to outperform the old technology discolored colloids at much higher doses. This statement is backed by an impressive amount of clinical and university studies which can be read here www.lifesilver.com/max
This is also the type favoured and used at the sott chateau...

Reply to Don Duca thank you for your very interesting link, I just read ... In France the drinkable product is not allowed, and the shipping costs are more expensive than the product itself ... I think. ..

What do you think? ... Thanks for your answers ...

 

[Christine]

Suite à l'article Sott sur l'argent colloidal :
https://fr.sott.net/article/30729-L-argent-colloidal-pour-tuer-des-microbes-et-virus-et-tant-d-autres-choses

J'ai fait des recherches :

http://www.biocolloidal.fr/
Vente en ligne de flacons d’Argent Colloïdal - Bio colloïdal
Bio colloïdal est un laboratoire commercialisant des flacons d’argent colloïdal 100% naturels. Oligo-élément naturel reconnu pour ses vertus antimicrobiennes.

BIOCOLLOIDAL.FR


Christiane Triquet : Je vous transmets une explication concernant notre produit.

L'INCI (International Nomenclature of Cosmetic Ingredients) définit
l'argent colloïdal comme une "solution composée de particules d'argent dans de l'eau pure.
Cette solution doit être fabriquée par électrolyse".
L'argent Colloïdal de haute qualité est très stable et surtout
bio-disponible, c'est à dire 100% assimilable. Il ne faut pas confondre
bio-disponible et le terme "bio" signifiant que le produit est issu de
l'agriculture biologique.
L'argent colloïdal n'est pas issu de l'agriculture biologique et ne peut
donc pas obtenir le label "Bio".
Certaines solutions contenant des particules d'argent mélangées avec des
huiles essentielles bio ont obtenu le label "bio" mais ce n'est plus de
l'argent colloïdal. Dès lors, ces solutions ne devraient pas s'appeler
"Argent Colloïdal".

Cordialement,

Alain LE BORGNE

--
Laboratoire Bio Colloïdal
52 rue de la libération
53 200 CHATEAU-GONTIER
Tél : 02 43 70 10 94



L'argent colloïdal pour tuer des microbes et virus et tant d'autres choses -- Sott.net
Une simple suspension de particules d'argent…
FR.SOTT.NET


Rabelais m'écrit sur Facebook
Christiane, ionic colloids are marginally effective, but the latest medical silver technology is so more bioavailable that it requires only a minuscule amount to outperform the old technology discolored colloids at much higher doses. This statement is backed by an impressive amount of clinical and university studies which can be read here www.lifesilver.com/max
This is also the type favoured and used at the sott chateau...

Traduction :
Christiane, les colloïdes ioniques sont peu efficaces, mais la dernière technologie d'argent médicale est tellement plus biodisponible qu'elle ne nécessite qu'un minuscule montant pour surpasser les anciennes technologie décoloré à des doses beaucoup plus élevées. Cette déclaration est soutenue par une quantité impressionnante d'études cliniques et universitaires qui peuvent être lues ici www.lifesilver.com/max
C'est aussi le type préféré et utilisé au château de charte...


Réponse à Rabelais merci pour votre lien très intéressant, je viens de le lire... En France le produit buvable n'est pas autorisé, et les frais de livraison sont plus cher que le produit lui-même... Je réfléchis...

Qu'en pensez-vous ?... Merci pour vos réponses...



Following the article Sott on colloidal silver:
https://fr.sott.net/article/30729-L-argent-colloidal-pour-tuer-des-microbes-et-virus-et-tant-d-autres-choses

I did some research :

http://www.biocolloidal.fr/
Online sale of Colloidal Silver Flasks - Colloidal Bio
Bio colloïdal is a laboratory commercializing bottles of 100% natural colloidal silver. A natural trace element recognized for its antimicrobial properties.

BIOCOLLOIDAL.FR


Christiane Triquet: I give you an explanation concerning our product.

The INCI (International Nomenclature of Cosmetic Ingredients) defines
Colloidal silver as a "solution composed of silver particles in pure water.
This solution must be manufactured by electrolysis ".
High quality Colloidal silver is very stable and especially
Bio-available, ie 100% assimilable. It should not be confused
Bio-available and the term "bio" meaning that the product is
biological agriculture.
Colloidal silver does not come from organic farming and can not
Therefore not to obtain the label "Bio".
Some solutions containing silver particles mixed with
Organic essential oils have been awarded the "organic" label but it is no longer
Colloidal silver. Therefore, these solutions should not be called
"Colloidal Silver".

Regards,

Alain LE BORGNE

-
Laboratory Bio Colloidal
52 rue de la liberation
53 200 CHATEAU-GONTIER
Tel: 02 43 70 10 94



Colloidal silver to kill germs and viruses and so much more - Sott.net
A simple suspension of silver particles ...
FR.SOTT.NET

Rabelais writes me on Facebook :
Christiane, ionic colloids are marginally effective, but the latest medical silver technology is so more bioavailable that it requires only a minuscule amount to outperform the old technology discolored colloids at much higher doses. This statement is backed by an impressive amount of clinical and university studies which can be read here www.lifesilver.com/max
This is also the type favoured and used at the sott chateau...

Reply to Rabelais thank you for your very interesting link, I just read ... In France the drinkable product is not allowed, and the shipping costs are more expensive than the product itself ... I think. ..

What do you think? ... Thanks for your answers ...

Merci beaucoup Perlou pour le lien Bio colloïdal !

 

[Gaby]

...
I just found someone by the name of Dr. Richard Hagmeyer on Youtube. His website states too much iodine can be an underlying cause of Hashimoto's, whereas Brownstein states the opposite.

Anyway, I will continue looking into it, but if anyone here has some experience with this I'd be grateful for some advice.

I am not an expert in this but since I have read Dr Brownstein book before I started iodine, one idea came to my mind.
I dont know if you are supplementing with Selenium. If not , then you should start.
...

Brownstein and his predecessors say that Hashimoto's and other autoimmune diseases are due to an excess of oxidative stress where iodine cannot be utilized properly. Selenium is a way to counteract the oxidative stress. Some recommend to start the selenium a few months before the iodine.

Jeffrey Dach has written a series of articles about Hashimoto's. We have quoted him several times in this forum and I think he is very balanced in his research. He quotes Brownstein, but he also covers research that explains how iodine suppresses the thyroid gland, leading to an increase in TSH (which may explain why some of us saw increased levels of TSH even after over an year after starting iodine).

Jeffrey Dach explains why iodine doesn't increase the chance of Hashimoto's as well. I'll leave a few links here and perhaps someone can quote relevant information in this thread, that will be highly appreciated. I think there are concepts worth revisiting and it will help to clarify the troubleshooting with iodine.

Iodine and Hashimoto’s Autoimmune Thyroid Disease
http://jeffreydachmd.com/hashimotos-thyroiditis-and-selenium-part-one-by-jeffrey-dach-md/

Hashimotos Thyroiditis and Selenium
http://jeffreydachmd.com/hashimotos-thyroiditis-and-selenium-part-one-by-jeffrey-dach-md/

Hashimotos, Selenium and Iodine
http://jeffreydachmd.com/hashimotos-thyroiditis-and-selenium-part-one-by-jeffrey-dach-md/

Online Information for Hashimotos Thyroid Disease
http://jeffreydachmd.com/tag/hashimotos/

 

[D69]

I might have missed it in this vast thread but does anyone know if iodine protocol can successfully kill off a lyme diseases Borrelia bacteria that are hidden in a cyst form?

 

[Heather]

...
I just found someone by the name of Dr. Richard Hagmeyer on Youtube. His website states too much iodine can be an underlying cause of Hashimoto's, whereas Brownstein states the opposite.

Anyway, I will continue looking into it, but if anyone here has some experience with this I'd be grateful for some advice.

I am not an expert in this but since I have read Dr Brownstein book before I started iodine, one idea came to my mind.
I dont know if you are supplementing with Selenium. If not , then you should start.
...

Brownstein and his predecessors say that Hashimoto's and other autoimmune diseases are due to an excess of oxidative stress where iodine cannot be utilized properly. Selenium is a way to counteract the oxidative stress. Some recommend to start the selenium a few months before the iodine.

Jeffrey Dach has written a series of articles about Hashimoto's. We have quoted him several times in this forum and I think he is very balanced in his research. He quotes Brownstein, but he also covers research that explains how iodine suppresses the thyroid gland, leading to an increase in TSH (which may explain why some of us saw increased levels of TSH even after over an year after starting iodine).

Jeffrey Dach explains why iodine doesn't increase the chance of Hashimoto's as well. I'll leave a few links here and perhaps someone can quote relevant information in this thread, that will be highly appreciated. I think there are concepts worth revisiting and it will help to clarify the troubleshooting with iodine.

Iodine and Hashimoto’s Autoimmune Thyroid Disease
http://jeffreydachmd.com/hashimotos-thyroiditis-and-selenium-part-one-by-jeffrey-dach-md/

Hashimotos Thyroiditis and Selenium
http://jeffreydachmd.com/hashimotos-thyroiditis-and-selenium-part-one-by-jeffrey-dach-md/

Hashimotos, Selenium and Iodine
http://jeffreydachmd.com/hashimotos-thyroiditis-and-selenium-part-one-by-jeffrey-dach-md/

Online Information for Hashimotos Thyroid Disease
http://jeffreydachmd.com/tag/hashimotos/

Thank you Konstantin for the information, and thanks Abby for the information and links.

I've been taking 300 - 400 mcg of selenium consistently for perhaps a year now. But I should re-test, since the blood work I had done is from at least 6 months ago now -- and maybe all the selenium I've been taking has made a difference. I've been remiss in not looking into all this sooner I realize, but it was only two weeks ago that my doctor mentioned Hashimoto's as a possibility.

Well, I'll continue researching this, and maybe bring up issues/realizations as I encounter them. And as you say, Abby, maybe someone will come upon some relevant information from earlier in this thread.

Thanks again!

 

[hlat]

I've been taking 300 - 400 mcg of selenium consistently for perhaps a year now.

That might be too much. Brownstein recommends 200 mcg of selenium a day, and explains in the book why too much selenium is bad for the body.

 

[Persej]

I might have missed it in this vast thread but does anyone know if iodine protocol can successfully kill off a lyme diseases Borrelia bacteria that are hidden in a cyst form?

I haven't seen research specifically for Lugol's, but iodine does have a bactericidal effect on a cyst form. The only problem is that Lugol's is not very potent in blood.

You could try a grapefruit seed extract which has shown a good results. But you have to be careful with which one you buy because some versions are not effective, as many people report. Citricidal and Citrosept brand are clinically proven. For other brands the main thing to look for is strong bitter taste which disappears when taken with orange juice.

In my case, I'm trying to kill other bug (Cpn), and can confirm that Citricidal has a positive effect, although it might not be enough for me. But so far, Lugol's + grapefruit seed extract seems to be working.

 

[Heather]

I've been taking 300 - 400 mcg of selenium consistently for perhaps a year now.

That might be too much. Brownstein recommends 200 mcg of selenium a day, and explains in the book why too much selenium is bad for the body.

Hi hlat.

I was thinking that as well. I believe he also mentions higher doses later on in the same book. I think I was using the number one should use when taking large amounts of iodine, which I kept to even w/out the iodine -- and which I now see as a mistake.

Thanks for pointing that out, hlat.

 

[D69]

I might have missed it in this vast thread but does anyone know if iodine protocol can successfully kill off a lyme diseases Borrelia bacteria that are hidden in a cyst form?

I haven't seen research specifically for Lugol's, but iodine does have a bactericidal effect on a cyst form. The only problem is that Lugol's is not very potent in blood.

You could try a grapefruit seed extract which has shown a good results. But you have to be careful with which one you buy because some versions are not effective, as many people report. Citricidal and Citrosept brand are clinically proven. For other brands the main thing to look for is strong bitter taste which disappears when taken with orange juice.

In my case, I'm trying to kill other bug (Cpn), and can confirm that Citricidal has a positive effect, although it might not be enough for me. But so far, Lugol's + grapefruit seed extract seems to be working.

Persej , thank you for all hints. I will try to do some tests with citrosept.

 

[Maat]

Reply to Rabelais thank you for your very interesting link, I just read ... In France the drinkable product is not allowed, and the shipping costs are more expensive than the product itself ... I think. ..

What do you think? ... Thanks for your answers ...

Perlou, you can find colloidal silver in any bio shop. And yes, in France they are not allowed to write it is drinkable, but you can drink it anyway. It's absolutely the same product.

 

[PERLOU]

Merci Maat pour cette information...

Thank you matt for this information...

 

[PERLOU]

Je viens d'avoir la confirmation du Laboratoire : http://www.biocolloidal.fr
Qui m'ont bien confirmer que leur Argent colloïdal peut être bu...
Encore Merci Matt...

I have just confirmed the Laboratory: http://www.biocolloidal.fr
Who have confirmed to me that their Colloidal Silver can be drunk ...
Still Thank You Matt ...

 

[sToRmR1dR]

I am not an expert in this but since I have read Dr Brownstein book before I started iodine, one idea came to my mind.
I dont know if you are supplementing with Selenium. If not , then you should start.

Hi Konstantin!

Would you be so kind to tell me from where you've ordered iodine?I'm asking because Macedonia has been blocked by Amazon and I can't make an order!Thanks!

 

[Voyageur]

I might have missed it in this vast thread but does anyone know if iodine protocol can successfully kill off a lyme diseases Borrelia bacteria that are hidden in a cyst form?

Just adding a late response and some of it is referenced by drygol's reply, yet I'm not sure specifically. Mercola has an article on Lyme's whereby Iodine (where it is mentioned) is discussed as part of the treatment by Dietrich Klinghardt, MD, Ph.D, but not on cysts per se:

The most critical element in the Lyme patient, however, is iodine. A two inch square of Lugol's iodine is painted on the patient's skin and should remain visible for 24 hours. The sooner it is absorbed the more deficient the patient. An oral form of Lugol's is available under the name Iodoral (Optimox, Torrance, Ca).
Filling up your body's mineral reserves has always been the most essential part of our heavy metal detox program. It is also the most essential part of our Lyme treatment.

From what I can understand while in cyst form, it's pretty hard to get at. There is this 'cyst form and lyme disease' here http://www.tiredoflyme.com/cyst-form.html This was brought up in a thread on antibiotic treatments and biofilm's (you might have already checked it out), yet I don't think on Lyme biofilm cysts. The above link discusses some "buster" discussion:

Holistic cyst busters

Grapefruit Seed Extract - Grapefruit Seed Extract is a liquid made the the seeds, pulp, and white membrane of a grapefruit. It contains bioactive flavonoids such as resveratrol which give grapefruit seed extract its sought after anti-fungal properties. Grapefruit Seed Extract is probably the most commonly used holistic cyst buster.
Samento - Samento is a powerful antibacterial herbal tincture created by Nutramedix, and is well known for its ability to kill the Lyme spirochete. Aside from killing the Lyme spirochete, Samento is also capable of killing the Lyme bacteria when it's in cyst form, as well as destroy the biofilms they can hide within.

Conventional cyst busters

Flagyl - Flagyl is an antibiotic, but it is most commonly used for busting Borrelia in cyst form. Flagyl should never be taken with alcohol.
Tindamax - Tindamax is an antibiotic with not only the ability of busting Borrelia in cyst form, but has also been said to dissolve the biofilm that spirochetes hide in.

That would need more cross referencing.

Again, for anyone else, you might want to refer to the thread on biofilm's on the forum before embarking on antibiotic treatments, and, be careful with what antibiotics are used i.e. in the Fluoroquinolone antibiotic family.

Now, when it comes to biofilms and Lyme's itself, I don't know if this is correct (and it does not talk about Iodine ether), however, it discusses two schools of thought as follows:

Biofilms and Lyme disease http://www.tiredoflyme.com/biofilm.html

Biofilm dissolvers
Biofilm dissolvers are capable of breaking up the biofilm and exposing Borrelia and potential coinfections inside to antibiotics and the immune system. Antibiotics and the immune system must work in conjunction with biofilm dissolvers in order to implement their total effectiveness and functionality.

and

Professional opinions on biofilms
The professional opinions of treating biofilms themselves along with the bacteria responsible for Lyme Disease are split. However, the prevailing opinion from the best and most knowledgeable Lyme doctors is that biofilms should be addressed.
The dissent for treating biofilms comes from Stephen Buhner, one of the best and most knowledgeable holistic figures on treating Lyme Disease. He says that biofilms should not be addressed because when a biofilm is broken up, the Lyme bacteria and potential coinfections that were once inside and in one location, are now being spread throughout the body. Before, the pathogens contained and concealed within a biofilm were isolated in just one location. Stephen also adds that people should do their own research and form their own opinions on treating biofilms.