Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[RedFox]

A quick update and some data to add (I'm still waiting for Brownstein's book to arrive, so he may already cover these things).

Having had several occurrences of similar symptoms to those of Carl (on a dose of only 6mg) I've tracked down some variables that effect the severity of the detox:

Dehydration - you need to be drinking a lot of water! This is the main way bromides are removed from the body. 1 glass of (warm) salt water followed by 2 of non-salt water.

Electrolytes - due to the amount of water leaving the body you may need to top these up (especially if you get diarrhea), broth is very useful for this.

Unrefined Grey Sea Salt - I could only get sea salt from the supermarket to start with (white/clear crystals), but the grey sea salt is much more effective at reducing detox problems. Himalayan salt may not be good for detox as it has higher levels of lithium and fluoride.

Trace Minerals - again you may need to top these off, as you may be loosing these with the detox.

Diuretics - be careful with tea, coffee and chocolate etc. They can dehydrate you, and make the symptoms worse.

I've also found that transdermal magnesium chloride is very useful to helping the detox - if I'm hydrated.
If I'm dehydrated, it makes things worse.

 

[fabric]

Here is my report on my first week of doing the Lugol's protocol:

Day 1

I decided to start off with 10 drops of 5% Lugol's to try and establish a baseline of where I'm at. I did the salt water in the morning and after breakfast (or lunch rather) did the drops. About a 1/2 hour after I felt giddy for a couple of hours, then got a slight headache. My guess is that there was some bromide detox going on since that was one of the symptons listed. Took some more salt water in the evening and headache seemed to go away by bed time. Other than that no other symptoms.

Day 2

Slight headache came back in the morning a couple of hours after getting up, hadn't done any Lugol's yet, just the salt water. After lunch took the Lugol's and got that giddy feeling again for only 10-20 minutes this time. Headache was still slight, and pretty much stuck with me most of the evening. Did more salt water when I got home from work and about 3 grams of vitamin C before bed.

Day 3

No headache today. Did the salt water and other co-factors this time. After taking Lugol's, no giddy feeling either. No other symptons to report other than really dry eyes come night time before going to bed.

Day 4

No headache in the morning, same procedure as day 3. This time, 2 hours after taking Lugol's slight headache came back. It went away after another 2-3 hours. No other symptoms.

Day 5

Same as day 4, except this time 30min after taking Lugol's I started feeling sick with a cold. My throat was tingly, nose constantly running, sinuses clogged and sneezing. However, I was not sure if this was Herx related or an actual cold. I haven't had cold in at least 3-4 years! Perhaps it was a combination of both? Detoxing and fighting a cold may have been too much for my system. I did visit my nephew day 1, and he had a cold and was sneezing all over the place. Though he tried his best to cover his sneezes, he didn't always (he's only 3). I've been around him before when he was sick but never caught it, so wasn't too worried then. I had pretty much the same symptoms as he had, but the sudden onset was surprising. When I got home I upped the vitamin C to 6 grams and put peroxide (3%) in my ears before going to bed. This used to be my treatment any time I felt like I was coming down with a cold or flu and by the next day I'd feel fine. The cold symptoms did ease up a bit in the evening but by the time I went to bed I felt worse.

Day 6

Woke up still feeling a little sick. Same symptoms as before but the stuffiness wasn't as bad. Did the Vitamin C/Peroxide thing again and went to work. This time I upped the does to 16 drops of 5% (about 100mg). Hopefully that will do the trick and nuke the cold. I'm quite certain I caught whatever my nephew had. I did get a mild headache again for a bit - the headache I'm sure was related to the iodine. It had the same "tone" as the headaches that I was getting throughout the week. Mild but not a show stopper. Did extra co-factors, vitamin C and peroxide in the ears. Anyway it must have been a nasty bug because I can usually tell by how much bubbling is going on in my ears when I do the peroxide. By the 2nd night it was bubbling quite a bit. Not as much as the first night but usually there isn't much if any at all. Went to bed earlier than usual.

Day 7

Rest day. Woke up this morning feeling much better. Still slight cold symptoms but the 'sick' feeling is gone. As a precaution I did the peroxide treatment and no bubbling going on in the ears so that's a good sign. Will keep doing salt water and co-factors today and tomorrow and restart Lugol's Monday. In addition to the core co-factors, I've been taking a multi vitamin, mineral and NAC.


For the next cycle, I'm going to try half the dose (5 drops) and see what the effects are. One thing I noticed with doing 10 drops is my energy levels where pretty good after, but did feel more tired by bed time. Which I'm totally ok with. I'm curious to see if I will get that energy boost from 5 drops. Besides the mild headaches no real intense bromide detox issues. As others have noted, it might take more time before they really kick in. I'll probably go back to 10 drops the following cycle, depending on how the next one goes.

 

[Laura]

Well, based on my experience, I advice you to pay close attention to any symptoms you may have in the next few days. I was totally fine for 8-9 days. Then, all I noticed was tiredness, and then, the detox symptoms hit me overnight. So, it might take a while, and perhaps the "nuking"option is not necessary for longer than 5 or 7 days in a row at the most. You can stay on the same dosage for a while, and only then see that your body isn't eliminating toxins fast enough. FWIW, and glad to know you're feeling better after so many years of misery!

Thanks Chu its a nice change i had forgotten what life was like without endless illness so I'm grateful for even one day. I appreciate the heads up on what happened to you and how long until it hit you I will pay close attention going forward.

I don't expect it will be all smooth sailing, if it is an effective antibiotic against mycoplasmas/Lymes I should have significant die-off. I'm not entirely sure that its possible to kill the Lymes organism with just iodine though, especially its encysted form. I have found some other Chronic Lymes patients, on curezone, who sustain 3 grams a day.
All the material available on the net that makes mention of the 6g to cure Syphilis makes no mention of how long those dosages were sustained for so I'll just tread carefully and see what happens.
I hope your feeling much better now and past the worst of those detox symptoms.

I think it is possible that the iodine will kill off the mycoplasmas/Lymes/co-infections but will probably need to be pulsed so they have time to "wake up" and get zapped on each round. Maybe four days on, three off for detox kinda like Horowitz's protocol with antibiotics?

Keep digging and see what you can find about the use of iodine on syphilis. I'm curious about that. I know they used to use mercury on it, but that poisoned the victim too!

 

[Chu]

Here's a paper which might give some clues about iodine in regards to mycoplasma, even though it talks about using Povidone:

The killing of Ureaplasma urealyticum and Mycoplasma hominis by povidone-iodine

Povidone-iodine killed Ureaplasma urealyticum and Mycoplasma hominis organisms. In addition to the eight known U. urealyticum serotypes, eight untyped ureaplasma strains and one M. hominis strain all of which had been freshly isolated, were tested. The concentration of povidone-iodine needed to kill the organisms in serum-broth varied slightly according to the strain or serotype, but 0.6% killed all organisms irrespective of strain or serotype or whether of U. urealyticum or M. hominis species. Most organisms were killed immediately after mixing and, with one exception, all of them were killed within five minutes. On subculture the treated organisms failed to multiply which confirmed the mycoplasmacidal effect of the compound. One of 5 urine samples inhibited the effect of povidone-iodine, a 2% concentration being required to kill the mycoplasmas. This is relevant to some circumstances in which elimination of these organisms from the genito-urinary tract could be worthwhile.

 

[Thomas Alan]

I got my bottle of Lugol's 5% yesterday. I plan to start the protocol Monday morning with 1 drop twice a day to see how it goes. If I understand correctly the should be about 12mg per day. I checked my multivitamin and found it had no iodine at all so I likely deficient.

My goals are to have more energy and alertness. Also to see if it helps with prostate swelling. And maybe it will help with cramps in my ankles at night. The cramps have persisted despite many things I have tried. I have found that keeping my legs warm at night helps some. And I do feel cold sometimes during the day so possibly the thyroid is under active due lack of iodine.

In the past week I have added extra B2 and niacinamide, extra C and the salt water. This alone has helped me to feel better. For years I have had very low blood pressure 95/65 which I took to be a benefit. But maybe not. Perhaps the low pressure causes poor circulation resulting in the cramps and feeling cold. So a little higher BP might be helpful.

Thanks to all for the personal experiences with the protocol and precautions. New experiments are fun and this one could be of great benefit. I will post my experiences as they unfold.

Mac

 

[Andrian]

This is the fourth day i'm taking iodine, like it was advised, first thing i do when i'm waking up is taking a glass of warm salted water and later iodine and then salted water again + some vitamic C in, the first 2 days were the worst ones, the first day i took iodine i got a some kind of cold, with some pains in the chest, throat, was shivering for 2 days, thank god now i'm feeling better, but, there is still a symptom which persists since day 1 , diarrhea each time after taking iodine like about 30 min or 1 hour after taking iodine, i'm wondering if this is a normal side effect of the detoxification protocol? Anyway today i'm feeling a little better, still i'm having some cold symptoms, i think they will be gone in the next few days...

 

[lainey]

Diuretics - be careful with tea, coffee and chocolate etc. They can dehydrate you, and make the symptoms worse.

It was also mentioned earlier in the thread:

Don’t take iodine at the same time as Vitamin C - which will negate disinfectant effect of iodine; Take vitamin C at least 2 hours before or after taking Lugol’ solution.

Antidotes for iodine overdose
Chocolate or cocoa - high in bromine which displaces iodine;
Vitamin C – take ¼ tsp. (~2.5g) in juice or water

So eating chocolate looks like it would also negate the benefits of iodine.

 

[Laura]

Ya'll CAN read the list of detox symptoms ya know? Links to them are scattered through the thread.

Anyway, after a week of serious challenging the system, I've dropped down to 4 drops a day which seems to do me very nicely with only a little detoxing. I think I would rather do it gradually!!! I'm just really happy to have energy and to not be cold all the time! Many of you may agree that this is a far more comfortable approach! Yes, I can up the dose if I need to zap something, or if I have some time to be down for the count and want to do a heavy detox, but in general, I just have too much to do.

So, for those of you suffering at higher doses, how about just backing off and go slowly? Build up gradually and save the high doses for when you are sick and may need them?

Added: Forgot to mention that's 4 drops of 15% which has 7.62 mg of combined iodine/KI. That's prolly about 3 mg elemental iodine per drop to total 12 mg. When I do 5 drops, the detoxing is unpleasant - tired and achey and my eye twitches like crazy.

Second add: A reviewer of the product wrote:

Using the industry standard for a METRIC drop (= 1/20 of 1ml), Lugol's content per drop should be:

2% - 1.0mg iodine & 1.5mg iodide, total 2.5mg
3% - 1.5mg iodine & 2.25mg iodide, total 3.75mg
5% - 2.5mg iodine & 3.75mg iodide, total 6.25mg
7% - 3.5mg iodine & 5.25mg iodide, total 8.75mg
10% - 5mg iodine & 7.5mg iodide, total 12.5mg (10% was the original Lugol's solution)
15% - 7.5mg iodine & 11.25mg iodide, total 18.75mg

If that is the case, then I'm getting 30 mg of elemental iodine.

 

[Chad]

Diuretics - be careful with tea, coffee and chocolate etc. They can dehydrate you, and make the symptoms worse.

It was also mentioned earlier in the thread:

Don’t take iodine at the same time as Vitamin C - which will negate disinfectant effect of iodine; Take vitamin C at least 2 hours before or after taking Lugol’ solution.

Antidotes for iodine overdose
Chocolate or cocoa - high in bromine which displaces iodine;
Vitamin C – take ¼ tsp. (~2.5g) in juice or water

So eating chocolate looks like it would also negate the benefits of iodine.

It would seem that timing is as important as consumption. ie. A few hours away shouldn't have much effect on displacement, as per the Vitamin C recommendations (?)

So eating a few squares after dinner should be acceptable


As an update, i've found that 5 drops doesn't have much detox effect where a few more and i almost instantly feel a bit of a pop in my neck (where I’ve had knots for the past years), also sometimes in my lower back (similar issues), slightly sluggish, as well as definite quickening for a trip to the toilet (but nothing like going Keto). I'm still pondering whether i've been a little more irritable/emotional.

I only upped the dose a once or twice to see, and i did it on my days off. 5 drops of 12% seems to be just right for me at the moment.

I'm also taking NAC/ALA mid day (with my Vit C) as coofactors - it's better around that time (usually after work) because the mineral load seems to disrupt any digestion so i need to allow at least an hour before i can eat.

 

[aragorn]

I've also started the iodine protocol, the day before yesterday after finishing Brownstein's book. Being cautious, I started with one drop (2,7mg), the second day two drops. Now, on the third day I took 2x2 drops. Doing cofactors and salt, too. No serious detox or other symptoms, except a slight headache and neck pain that started today. On the plus side, I've felt a bit more energized and "determined"; I've completed tasks that I've been postponing.

It seems that in a strictly regulated country like Finland (where I live), potassium iodide is classified as a prescription drug. Thus, you can't even order Iodoral or the Lugol's with potassium iodide (with iodine) from abroad without problems with the customs. Luckily, you can freely buy Hulda Clarck's version of Lugol's, where the potassium iodide is replaced with sodium iodide, and that's what I'm using right now. From what I've read, replacing the potassium with sodium doesn't compromise it's effectiveness.

Here's some information on that:

_https://iodinehealth.wordpress.com/iodine-types/

There two kinds of iodine;

Elemental Iodine, sometimes referred to as molecular or sometimes granular. It comes as pure crystals which are used when making tinctures and lugol’s solution.
The reduced salts (iodide) Commonly used; potassium iodide, sodium iodide and ammonium iodide.

Lugol’s – Dr. Hulda Clark’s Modified Version

Dr. Clark believed in making your own lugol’s solution because she thought manufactued lugol’s may be contaminated with propyl alcohol. Since lugol’s is water based not a tincture which is alcohol based I am not sure where that concern originates. Dr. Clark also felt it was hard to find a source of potassium iodide to make lugol’s solution that she was comfortable with the quality of the product. I have no idea what her concerns were but she chose to use a recipe for a modified lugol’s solution that replaced the potassium iodide with sodium iodide. Here are the ingredients for her version

Ingredients: 1 fluid oz. water, 1.18 gm sodium iodide, 0.59 gm granular iodine (890mcg Iodine in ½ drop). Packed in a clear HDPE bottle, dropper included. Store at room temperature.

HDPE ( High-density polyethylene) is a plastic bottle. Personally I don’t think any kind of medicinal like lugol’s or an herb tincture for example should be in anything other than a glass bottle.

That page also talks about Edgar Cayce's iodine, I wonder what's the story with that?

 

[MK Scarlett]

I do not have finish to read the whole yet, but I wanted to answer to PERLOU... Sorry if this has already been done later.

Qui connaitrait le nom du produit en France pour l'acheter ?... Merci d'avance...

Who connaitrait the name of the product in France to buy it?... Thank you in advance...

I bought mine here, mostly because it is less expensive than the one on Amazon despite the fact it is also made from Dr Clarck:
Lugol's solution 5% http://www.sante-detox.com/acides-amines/151-solution-d-iode-du-dr-clark.html
This Website is specific to the Dr Clarck's work in French.

Or here also in French: http://www.silver47.eu/boutique.html
For more or less the same price as Amazon one, but we do not know the size of the product: that's why I did not buy it there. But for the record, they have some others stuffs there, that could be helpul.
Plus, it is from this very Website that was find out a Dr Guy Abraham's article in French recently edited on Sott.

I hope this helps. :)

 

[aragorn]

Ya'll CAN read the list of detox symptoms ya know? Links to them are scattered through the thread.

Anyway, after a week of serious challenging the system, I've dropped down to 4 drops a day which seems to do me very nicely with only a little detoxing. I think I would rather do it gradually!!! I'm just really happy to have energy and to not be cold all the time! Many of you may agree that this is a far more comfortable approach! Yes, I can up the dose if I need to zap something, or if I have some time to be down for the count and want to do a heavy detox, but in general, I just have too much to do.

I completely agree with this. When you have work to do, you can't do heavy detoxing or "nuking". Been there, done that - not very pleasant!

From what I've read so far on this thread, many members start out with surprisingly high doses of iodine. Guys, are you sure you know what you're doing?

 

[Laura]

I do not have finish to read the whole yet, but I wanted to answer to PERLOU... Sorry if this has already been done later.

Qui connaitrait le nom du produit en France pour l'acheter ?... Merci d'avance...

Who connaitrait the name of the product in France to buy it?... Thank you in advance...

I bought mine here, mostly because it is less expensive than the one on Amazon despite the fact it is also made from Dr Clarck:
Lugol's solution 5% http://www.sante-detox.com/acides-amines/151-solution-d-iode-du-dr-clark.html
This Website is specific to the Dr Clarck's work in French.

Or here also in French: http://www.silver47.eu/boutique.html
For more or less the same price as Amazon one, but we do not know the size of the product: that's why I did not buy it there. But for the record, they have some others stuffs there, that could be helpul.
Plus, it is from this very Website that was find out a Dr Guy Abraham's article in French recently edited on Sott.

I hope this helps. :)

As noted, Hulda Clark's version of Lugol's, is not Lugol's as the potassium iodide is replaced with sodium iodide and the effectiveness may be lessened. I'm not sure on this so someone needs to check it out.

For the few euros difference, I'd rather get the one on amazon.fr.
http://www.amazon.fr/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_5

 

[aragorn]

It's hard do find information on the difference (if there is one) of effectiveness between the potassium and sodium based iodide. Here's one clue perhaps:

_https://www.consumerlab.com/answers/heard+that+nascent+iodine+may+be+better+than+regular+iodine+or+potassium+iodide+for+thyroid+support.+Is+this+true,+and+what+exactly+is+nascent+iodine/nascent_iodine/

The term "iodine" actually describes a single atom of iodide bound to either another atom of iodide or to another compound. "Nascent iodine" was once used as simply another name for sodium iodide (an iodide atom bound to sodium). The term was then used by the American mysticist, Edgar Cayce, to describe a free form of iodine (i.e., a single atom of iodide unbound to any other atom) - apparently created by adding electromagnetic or another form of energy. However, when this free form of iodide is exposed to a positively charged ion, such as sodium or potassium, as it would be in a liquid supplement, it will bind with these to form sodium iodide or potassium iodide. Therefore, if you are buying a supplement promoted as "nascent iodine", it is most likely sodium iodide or potassium iodide. There do not appear to be any published, placebo-controlled studies on "nascent iodine" for thyroid support or any other use.
Learn more about iodine and potassium iodide, including uses, dosage, and more, in the Potassium Iodide Review and the "Iodine" section of the Multivitamin and Multimineral Supplements Review.

But then there's this reviewer on Amazon saying this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R1JHMNQDPQKIZ9/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00EWPXIQM#R1JHMNQDPQKIZ9

Always makes sure the iodide part is made with potassium iodide, which is good, whereas some are now made with sodium iodide and do not go into the cells.

I'd like to know what this statement is based on, what is the source? Perhaps someone should write him and ask.

ADDED: Okay, I've now posted a question to this Amazon-guy. Lets see if and what s/he will answer.

 

[Windmill knight]

Regarding killing mycoplasma with iodine: Recently I had a very persistent phlegmy cough that wouldn't let me go for about three months, which is very rare with me. I asked Gaby about it and in her opinion it was a mycoplasma, which I already thought it was after reading about it and watching some videos. Eventually it receded on its own but never left me completely. That is, the critter likes cold and damp, so if I happened to be outside on a rainy day I would start coughing again.

In the last couple of weeks I had to do just that: work all day in the cold and damp, so initially the cough came back, although not as strong as before. I was starting to take iodine but no more than 50mg a day, so I decided to nuke it. I upped the dose to more than twice and it seems to have worked. In spite of the gloomy autumn weather I've been exposed to, the cough has been virtually unexistent, certainly a far cry from what it used to be in the summer. I'm going back to a more moderate dose once I see it's all gone.

I haven't had any detox reactions and I've felt more energized and awake during the day. The first couple of days it was hard to sleep at night, actually. The only other change I've noticed is that I am hungrier, although that may be because of the cold season. Or perhaps the body demands more fuel, since it's working at a higher ryhtm.

Added: I've been very thirsty too!