Ketogenic Diet - Powerful Dietary Strategy for Certain Conditions

Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

Laura said:
Ailén said:
c.a. said:
Ok, i see what you are saying. It is not like i am trying to starve myself, i can say that feeling of hunger just isn't the same haven restricted the carbohydrates. This afternoon aim preparing some more bacon fat, but will include some lean turkey, that i will consume with some butter leaf lettuce.

That's a start, but I don't know why you have to have LEAN turkey. Just forget about all that programming! If meat naturallly has fat, it's meant to be eaten that way. Also, a lot of people seem to have found out that poultry is not the best. Not only are birds fed really bad nowadays, but it's also too lean. So, why don't you just enjoy a fatty steak or a fatty pork chop with that bacon fat?

It really is amazing how thoroughly people's minds have been programmed against fat. I can tell you that if I'm going to eat something, I want it to be as fatty as I can tolerate at that moment. Don't see any point in wasting chewing time and stomach space on anything lean or on veggies that just tear me up.

Thanks, i get the idea now. I am not opposed to fat, in fact my fat intake over that last 7 mouths has increased a lot. I just had some fatty bacon with saucisse, and find that it's filling, satisfying, and i don't seem to have any side effects from the consumption of it.

Also over the last 7 mouths, soup has been the main staple here. The better i got making it (experimenting, trying different types of fatty meats, bones, and different types green vegetables), i started to reduce the vegetables, and increase the fat content of each recipe.

There would be times that after a days hiking in the hills, that for the evening meal i would discard the vegetables, just eat the stock with specks of fat floating on the top, and found it satisfied my appetite, and energy levels through a fat liquid soup diet.

And yes Laura, i did have the brakes on for the longest time about eating fat, having bought into the idea (by the medical programmers) that it was going to be the end of me. But what proved to be the food that was having the most caustic effect on my health, turned out to be gluten, sugar, and carbos.

I don't mean to play stupid, and or wast your time, but it has been a re-education to understanding the benefits of the diets that have been offered here. I am gong-ho to the change, and this new philosophy of how i eat, is what i become, and what should be expected from the efforts. :D
 
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monotonic said:
My brother always clips the fat off of meat unless it is naturally fed, because he says it does more harm than good to eat it if the animal was grain-fed. Does this make sense? We usually eat naturally fed meats.

Why are you asking, if you "usually eat naturally fed meats." That is what you need to do, instead of eating bad food and then looking for the best way to work around the problems it causes.

I believed him and thought he learned about it here, but when learning more I am realizing some of his ideas don't really make sense even though he read most of the material before I did and he was the one organizing most of our diet while we were on it.

Nobody can do your work for you. That sounds like a very unhealthy interaction to me.
 
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After reading the whole thread, I decided to start today with the KD so I made the bone broth from pork marrow bones (about 2 hours in the pressure cooker), and I'm ready to start with the preparation of pork liver paté.
I'm having tomorrow for breakfast: bacon, eggs(just the yolk) and a cup of broth. For lunch/dinner (I only eat twice on saturday and sunday), meat (about 150 gr) and a bowl of broth. So I think I will have my restriction/semi fast days at the weekend.

A small note of my childhood memories: I remember that poor people in my country had bone broth all the day long because there was no money to buy lean meat and this is surprising for me to know now that it is so good and nutrient!
 
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monotonic said:
My brother always clips the fat off of meat unless it is naturally fed, because he says it does more harm than good to eat it if the animal was grain-fed. Does this make sense?

Obviously fat from naturally fed animals is better. But, if one cannot afford this and can only get organic, I don't think it is as much of a big problem. In the end organic animals do have a better quality of life than animals kept in small cages etc. Currently I'm eating fat from organic animals, and I haven't experienced any problems.
 
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Some of the other concernsabout fat related to the amount of toxins stored in fatty tissue. Conventionally farmed animals are fed a diet rich in grains which, for themost part, are lotted with pesticides, fungicides and selective herbicides. I grew up believing that fat was bad, not only because of the mythological connection to bad health, but also due to the prevalence of toxins. However, consuming organic meats, preferably grass fed or pastured, really minimizes such concerns. It really makes sense to spend the extra money on organic.

However, I was recently talking to some farmers about grass fed versus traditional, and they explained to me that in Canada, for the most part, all cattle are pasture except in the winter, when they are fed hay, alfalfa and supplementary grains, and when finishing, many will be sent to a feedlot, where they eat grains for the last few weeks to fatten them up and add more marble to the meat.

Certainly, cattle that live their entire existence on the range, eating grass when available and hay in the winter, seems the safest bet. But This makes me wonder how much difference there is between conventional and organic (not pasturd), aside from the lack of preventative antibiotics and no GMO feed. It makes it a little harder to discern, since the organic standard ranges from country to country.

Gonzo
 
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Megan said:
Laura said:
The thing that keeps running through my mind is the clue about resistance exercise being the key to activate the normal mtDNA and get it to propagate through the system. That, while working with protein restriction and staying in mild ketosis, AND cold showers, might be the keys to major healing...

Are you able to maintain oxygen levels while doing resistance exercise? That is really the problem that has kept me from exercising much -- my oxygen level goes down, my breathing rate goes up, and I don't feel so good. There was only one time in my life when that was less of a problem, the period that I mentioned in another topic recently where I was able to do some jogging. My sex steroids were higher at that time, although it was not good news: it was apparently caused by cancer. After dealing with that, my energy level crashed again. Medical support for the metabolic problem was nonexistent -- "it's not in their training."

I don't know if any of this is useful, but there was one other metabolic experiment I performed, also unknowingly. When I was in school, most of the exercise was anaerobic and I did a lot of huffing and puffing and feeling sick, and getting cramps when I ran. I was aware of "aerobics" because my family tried it when the (US) Air Force experimented with it in the 60s (my father was an AF officer), but I didn't make a key connection at that time.

I found 2 good articles that address the importance to the connection of berthing, exercise, and the immune system.

Naturally Engineered
_http://naturallyengineered.com/blog/nose-or-mouth-breathing-while-running-exercising/
Should You Breath Through Your Nose, Mouth, or Both While Running and Exercising? by DAVID CSONKA

Anybody who is interested in barefoot running or has read the book Born to Run is probably familiar with the lore surrounding the running exploits of Native Americans.

In the book, Indian Running, author Peter Nabokov describes a Native American running exercise that taught runners how to strengthen their breathing. Taking in a mouthful of water (without swallowing), runners would sprint for set distances while holding the water in their mouths.

There are plenty of anecdotes like this of ancient runners traversing the land while breathing through their nose, and images of the Tarahumara Indians running across the Copper Canyons with their mouths closed and a peaceful look on their face.

Stories like these cause many of us to wonder, should I be breathing through my nose while running or exercising? Am I doing something wrong when I gasp for air through my open mouth?

This particular question is never more prominent in my mind than when I’m breathing hard at the end of a hard run or really intense workout. Sometimes I try to soldier through my training while breathing through my nose, but I always end up switching to orinasal, or breathing with both the nose and mouth. That painful feeling of not getting enough air is just too strong, and my instincts take over.

I’ve thought that perhaps I’m just weak mentally, or maybe my seasonal allergies have made my nose useless. The truth is actually more a mix of simple human physiology, neolithic anatomical maladaptiveness, and my own personal training preferences.

The Human Nose


Anybody wishing to learn more about the evolution of humans and the anatomical changes that made us who we are should follow the research of Dr. Dan Lieberman. Specifically, his book The Evolution of the Human Head is a wealth of information regarding the physiological changes that occurred to the human body throughout its million year evolution.

The chapter pertaining to the structure of the nose, and how it differs from the noses of other mammals and even other primates is particularly enlightening.

… the evolution of a turbulence-generating external nose in Homo suggests that the benefits of increasing turbulence must have outweighed the costs. A reasonable hypothesis is that selection acted on nasal shape to favor efficient function of the respiratory epithelium to humify inspired air and to dehumidify expired air during aerobic exercise. Big, external noses may have helped our ancestors travel long distances in the hot midday sun – but only up to a point, because at some threshold the costs of high resistance would outweight the benefits of turbulent airflow. Because airway resistance is much lower in laminar than in turblent flow, increased resistance can become a problem duirng vigorous exercise, which increases the need for air.

So here we have one piece of the puzzle. The nose is engineered to keep us from drying out, an adaption that proved helpful in allowing humans to spread out from the jungles and across the savanna. It’s one of the many features that allow us to run for long periods even in extreme ambient heat, but with a catch. Intense anaerobic activity requires more oxygen than can be pulled through the nose, due to increased turbulence and resistance.

Dietary Effects on Facial Structure


I’ve always recognized that my face and its features were a little on the narrow side. When I was a young boy and travelling with family on trips to the Florida Keys to explore coral reefs, I always had trouble fitting a snorkeling mask to my face. Its narrow shape always left pockets on the side where water got in.

Later in life, it seemed that allergies would become a perennial problem, with my nose becoming useless for several months out of the year. More outwardly apparent though, the poor structure of my teeth resulting from a palate too narrow for all of them to fit, was the final clue which lead me to understand my issues.

Around 70 years ago Weston A. Price had already figured out what my problem was. While studying indigenous populations of people all over the planet, and discovering how modern diets had affected them, he determined that non-traditional foods caused the children of these people to develop narrow facial structures. This phenotype consisted of crowded teeth, poorly developed jaws, and much diminished nasal cavities and nostrils compared to their traditionally-eating counterparts.

Based on this evidence, and the many photos of the people Price studied, we can hypothesize that the same Native Americans who we read about breathing exclusively through their noses, must have had more robust and effective nasal structures in general. Further, the dietary issues that many of us grew up with and our now resolving with paleo-style diets, left us with poorly developed noses during the most crucial growing periods of the human life-cycle – childhood.

Anaerobic Oxygen Deficit

Anaerobic exercise is exercise intense enough to trigger anaerobic metabolism, where insufficent oxygen is available for oxidation, and the body switches over to the creatine pathway or glycolysis. As long as enough oxygen is available one can stay aerobic, the domain of more moderate or lower-intensity activities. If one is well trained though, they might be able to run at a good pace while staying in that oxygenated aerobic zone.

High intensity activities of more than a few seconds will drive up the demand for oxygen tremendously however, and if activity like this continues for several minutes (like with a CrossFit WOD or sports) then the body will dip into an oxygen deficit. In recovery, oxygen is used in the processes that restore the body to a resting state and adapt it to the exercise just performed. Scientifically speaking, the process is called “excess post-exercise oxygen consumption”, but in layman’s terms it is simply referred to as “sucking wind”.

Your body needs oxygen badly, and in general the least resistant and highest volume throughput entryway for oxygen into your body is your mouth. I always thought I was mentally weak for not holding my mouth shut through a workout, but it seems that my preference for high intensity training put me in a position where nose-breathing was inadequate for my oxygen needs.

If you recall Lieberman’s comments above, the turbulence and resistance created by our nose is incredibly useful, but this benefit diminishes when there is a corresponding need for higher-intensity work output. Ultimately, you’ll have to decide what is more important to you.

The Compromise

There are definitely advantages to breathing through one’s nose. It humidifies the air better, maintains a more constant air temperature, conserves moisture upon expiration, produces nitric oxide for use by the body, and helps protect against foreign pathogens.

For people who suffer from exercise-induced asthma, nose breathing can be a remarkable cure. The underlying cause of this type of asthma appears to be the large volume of cool, dry air inhaled during strenuous exercise. For many, it seems to improve when the air inhaled is more fully humidified and closer to body temperature, something accomplished by the nose.

Unfortunately, it seems that many people may have been inadvertently steered towards predominant orinasal breathing due to poorly developed facial and nasal structures. Even if staying inside the aerobic zone, the volume of air that could be pushed through our narrow noses might never be sufficient for our muscular needs. Further, my preference for high intensity training makes it even less likely that my nose will do me much good.

While aerobic training might be popular for many runners, high intensity interval training systems like Crossfit, and high impact sports like football aren’t going anywhere. People will need to accept that there isn’t one exalted breathing technique that is appropriate for all occasions. If you can sustain your activity level with your mouth kept shut, that’s great, and will probably provide some respiratory health benefits. But if you find you can’t keep pace, or tire quickly from a feeling of labored breathing, relying solely on your nose just to satisfy a romantic ideal of prehistoric runners is folly.

No matter how stoic you might be, the suffocating feeling you get is actually your body telling you that you’re suffocating. Do yourself a favor and take a deep breath – with your mouth open if need be. It doesn’t mean you’re weak, or less of an athlete. It just means you need air.


THE BENEFITS OF NASAL BREATHING
Posted by PaulJune 1, 2012

_http://www.paulcheksblog.com/the-benefits-of-nasal-breathing
It is normal and natural to inhale and exhale through your nose when not under physical or mental/emotional stress.

As you can see in the image above, inside your nose are passages called “turbinates”. Turbinates spin, moisten and clean the air before getting to your lungs.
If you breath through your mouth, then your mouth becomes your air filter and instead of having buggers in your nose, you end up with bugger mouth; don’t be surprised if no one wants to kiss you!

The turbinates are well endowed with nerve endings that stimulate the parasympathetic nervous system; that’s the digest, growth, repair and eliminate branch of the nervous system.

When we breath through our mouth for very long at all, elevate sympathetic tone. This means elevated stress hormones, hyperactive behavior, and over time, immune suppression!

If you can’t breath though your nose well, it is very likely because your nasal passages are blocked by phlegm (snot!). This is a very common reaction to eating foods that you have an intolerance to, are allergic to, or are eating too much of. The most common causes of snotty noses and mouth breathing in this regard is eating dairy, processed sugar, and gluten containing gains.

If you have a hard time breathing through your nose, I’d recommend taking these items out of your diet for one week and see if your breathing improves.
If not, you may have structural growth and development deficiencies that commonly result when one or both parents were malnourished at the time of your conception.

If your face isn’t balanced with three equal thirds (forehead-nose-below nose to end of chin), you are very likely to be one of the people with this common growth and development disorder.

If you are, then it is even more essential that you keep your diet clean. If you don’t, you are much more susceptible to a variety of dental hygiene problems, chronic illnesses, poor concentration, and a wide variety of other pestilent problems.

A great yoga exercise you can use to help balance your autonomic nervous system and improve brain function is called alternate nostril breathing. I’d recommend doing it for at least three minutes each morning, noon and night, or anytime you need better mental clarity.

The following exercise can also stabilize emotions effectively in a short time.

Standing or sitting with good posture, plug one nostril and inhale, then exhale through it.

After completing the cycle of inhalation followed by exhalation, switch sides. Continue this for at least three minutes.

If you would like to learn a variety of other such easy, effective exercises, you can learn about “zone exercises” in my book How To Eat, Move and Be Healthy!
If you have structural damage to your nose from injury (common in contact sports), such as a deviated septum, that can cause a variety of niggling problems as well.
If your septum is deviated, or your nasal passages are blocked by polyps or other blocking factors, you can test to see if it’s worth having an Ear, Nose and Throat specialist evaluate you by assessing how much air flows through each nostril.

How To Breathe When Working Out: U-Tube
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-kAF6MhQRE&feature=player_embedded#!
 

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Re: Ketogenic Diet - Path To Transformation?

After a sudden flash of inspiration last night, this morning I had my breakfast in the following form: bowl of bone broth, 3 slices of bacon, a sausage, and a hard-baked egg all chopped up and mixed in the broth. It was the most delicious breakfast soup ever. Amen. :halo:
 
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c.a. said:
Around 70 years ago Weston A. Price had already figured out what my problem was. While studying indigenous populations of people all over the planet, and discovering how modern diets had affected them, he determined that non-traditional foods caused the children of these people to develop narrow facial structures. This phenotype consisted of crowded teeth, poorly developed jaws, and much diminished nasal cavities and nostrils compared to their traditionally-eating counterparts.

Not just narrower facial structure. Entire crooked heads, of which mine is one example. Deviated septum (nasal obstruction), myopia and crossed eyes, and dental alignment problems were among the results. Dr. Cate mentions this in Deep Nutrition, and that is how I finally made the connection.

Anaerobic exercise is exercise intense enough to trigger anaerobic metabolism, where insufficent oxygen is available for oxidation, and the body switches over to the creatine pathway or glycolysis...


This is an example of the confusion I keep encountering. As far as I can determine, glycolysis is glycolysis. It is anaerobic and yields pyruvate and other byproducts. As long as there is sufficient O2 to maintain aerobic respiration, which supplies NAD+ as a byproduct, the pyruvate, after further transformations (which include the Krebs cycle) enters the inner membrane to drive OXPHOS.

If NAD+ is depleted (all converted to NADH), resulting from lack of O2 further down the pathway, then the pyruvate is metabolized via fermentation. That is the anaerobic pathway, and it follows glycolysis.

(Reference: _http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Biology,_Answering_the_Big_Questions_of_Life/Metabolism/Metabolism3#Why_do_cells_need_to_ferment_if_they_already_get_2_ATP_from_glycolysis.3F )

It's interesting to note that fat (ketone bodies & free fatty acids) can't be metabolized without O2, as far as I have been able to determine. Anaerobic respiration requires glucose.

There is a paper I have started to study that might be of interest to some here. It may have been cited previously; I don't know. It contains useful information about both mitochondrial function and the muscle contraction mechanism.

The New Unified Theory of ATP Synthesis/Hydrolysis and Muscle Contraction, Its Manifold Fundamental Consequences and Mechanistic Implications and Its Applications in Health and Disease
_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2635747/ (free fulltext download)

Abstract

Complete details of the thermodynamics and molecular mechanisms of ATP synthesis/hydrolysis and muscle contraction are offered from the standpoint of the torsional mechanism of energy transduction and ATP synthesis and the rotation-uncoiling-tilt (RUT) energy storage mechanism of muscle contraction. The manifold fundamental consequences and mechanistic implications of the unified theory for oxidative phosphorylation and muscle contraction are explained. The consistency of current mechanisms of ATP synthesis and muscle contraction with experiment is assessed, and the novel insights of the unified theory are shown to take us beyond the binding change mechanism, the chemiosmotic theory and the lever arm model. It is shown from first principles how previous theories of ATP synthesis and muscle contraction violate both the first and second laws of thermodynamics, necessitating their revision. It is concluded that the new paradigm, ten years after making its first appearance, is now perfectly poised to replace the older theories. Finally, applications of the unified theory in cell life and cell death are outlined and prospects for future research are explored. While it is impossible to cover each and every specific aspect of the above, an attempt has been made here to address all the pertinent details and what is presented should be sufficient to convince the reader of the novelty, originality, breakthrough nature and power of the unified theory, its manifold fundamental consequences and mechanistic implications, and its applications in health and disease.

Keywords: Bioenergetics, F1FO-ATP synthase, Myosin and kinesin, Mechanochemistry, Energy transduction, Torsional mechanism of energy transduction and ATP synthesis, Rotation-uncoiling-tilt (RUT) energy storage mechanism of muscle contraction, Quantized theory of biological molecular machines, Apoptosis, Molecular systems biology
 
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Gonzo said:
Some of the other concernsabout fat related to the amount of toxins stored in fatty tissue. Conventionally farmed animals are fed a diet rich in grains which, for themost part, are lotted with pesticides, fungicides and selective herbicides. I grew up believing that fat was bad, not only because of the mythological connection to bad health, but also due to the prevalence of toxins. However, consuming organic meats, preferably grass fed or pastured, really minimizes such concerns. It really makes sense to spend the extra money on organic.

However, I was recently talking to some farmers about grass fed versus traditional, and they explained to me that in Canada, for the most part, all cattle are pasture except in the winter, when they are fed hay, alfalfa and supplementary grains, and when finishing, many will be sent to a feedlot, where they eat grains for the last few weeks to fatten them up and add more marble to the meat.

Certainly, cattle that live their entire existence on the range, eating grass when available and hay in the winter, seems the safest bet. But This makes me wonder how much difference there is between conventional and organic (not pasturd), aside from the lack of preventative antibiotics and no GMO feed. It makes it a little harder to discern, since the organic standard ranges from country to country.

Gonzo

Hi Gonzo - the best is grass-fed grass-finished. Its much harder to finish a cow on grass - it takes good grass and is seasonal (early summer is best). Most small-moderate farms that run cattle take good care of their pastures. They don't use pesticides because good grass doesn't need it. They will apply lime and Mg and other amendments to get a healthier grass growth. The best ones rely on compost application to build the soil (like Salatin). So grass-fed/grass-finished, whether its called organic or not, is the best. Everything else is a downgrade.

In the winter, feed should be only hay and available grass. Many farmers will cut and store their own hay for winter to avoid the cost of buying and shipping it in.
 
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Approaching Infinity said:
After a sudden flash of inspiration last night, this morning I had my breakfast in the following form: bowl of bone broth, 3 slices of bacon, a sausage, and a hard-baked egg all chopped up and mixed in the broth. It was the most delicious breakfast soup ever. Amen. :halo:

I'm sure it is good! Its great too to take a quart of bone broth and use it to slow cook fatty cuts like short ribs/chuck roast. The broth gets richer and makes the meat/fat taste great. Throw in a few onions and fresh garlic before cooking - Yummm.
 
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@ LQB:

I love AI's idea (Fat & protein soup), but
sans the Onions and Garlic: High carbs?
 
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dant said:
@ LQB:

I love AI's idea (Fat & protein soup), but
sans the Onions and Garlic: High carbs?

You don't have to eat them if you put in big chunks - but you do get the flavor. :)
 
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I just listened to a really interesting talk by Dr. Ron Rosedale (you can find it here http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Ron-Rosedale-MTOR-Protein-Part-2.mp3, text is here http://drrosedale.com/blog/2011/11/21/ron-rosedale-%E2%80%93-protein-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/). Dr. Rosedale is the guy who talks about protein restriction and is where Nora Gedgaudas got her information about mTOR.

In the talk he makes an interesting point. He points out that when the human body needs the most protein, during growth, is when it should be getting its maximum needed ratio of protein to body mass. Therefore breastmilk, the food specifically designed to give infants exactly what they need to fulfill their growth requirements during the most rapid growth in their entire lifecycle, should be the absolute maximum (if not excess) of human protein requirements.

Breastmilk provides infants with... (fanfare please)... 1g of protein per kilogram of body weight.

So I wonder if we're overshooting with 1.5g/kg. It's pretty safe to say that none of us are growing and even if we take the excessive repair needed for modern living conditions into consideration our protein requirements couldn't possibly match that of an infant who's doubling its size in the first 5 months.

Another interesting part:

[quote author=Dr. Ron Rosedale]
Reducing protein extends life. If you restrict methionine, you decrease visceral fat mass and you preserve insulin action. Reduced dietary methionine and caloric restriction pro-long lifespan. In other words, it isn’t just caloric restriction. If you reduce dietary methionine without caloric restriction, you get the same thing, Methionine restricted rats shows reduced visceral fats, with decreases in insulin, glucose and leptin. Insulin responses in older methionine-restricted animals as measured by oral glucose challenge are similar to young animals. By 16 weeks, methionine restricted animals show a 40% reduction in IGF, which is sustained throughout life.

For 60 years, the only dietary manipulation showed to retard aging was Calorie restriction, and more recently, they’ve shown that it isn’t necessarily calories. If you decrease tryptophan, and you decrease cystine and methionine, you get the same thing. Methionine restriction is not a consequence of reduced energy intake. The intervention alters the rate of aging and not by correcting a single defect.
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So it may be that it's only certain amino acids (the building blocks of protein) that need to be restricted in order to see a true benefit; namely methionine, tryptophan and cystine. On a hunch, I looked up the the amino acid composition of gelatin (the protein component of bone broth): glycine 21%, proline 12%, hydroxyproline 12%, glutamic acid 10%, alanine 9%, arginine 8%, aspartic acid 6%, lysine 4%, serine 4%, leucine 3%, valine 2%, phenylalanine 2%, threonine 2%, isoleucine 1%, hydroxylysine 1%, methionine and histidine <1% and tyrosine <0.5%, according to Wikipedia (although they also say this will vary depending on the source). Notice there is no tryptophan or cystine and very little methionine.

So it may be possible to restrict protein to fairly low levels, like around 0.7 or 0.8 g/kg, while compensating with lots of broth and fat.

Just some random thoughts I thought I'd share :)
 
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[quote author=dugdeep]
So it may be that it's only certain amino acids (the building blocks of protein) that need to be restricted in order to see a true benefit; namely methionine, tryptophan and cystine. On a hunch, I looked up the the amino acid composition of gelatin (the protein component of bone broth): glycine 21%, proline 12%, hydroxyproline 12%, glutamic acid 10%, alanine 9%, arginine 8%, aspartic acid 6%, lysine 4%, serine 4%, leucine 3%, valine 2%, phenylalanine 2%, threonine 2%, isoleucine 1%, hydroxylysine 1%, methionine and histidine <1% and tyrosine <0.5%, according to Wikipedia (although they also say this will vary depending on the source). Notice there is no tryptophan or cystine and very little methionine.
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Funny coincidence, I was researching mechanism of action of DMSO and ended up on the wikipedia of glycine and now, I find it is the main amino acid in the bone broth we all have been consuming as of late. :D Thanks for sharing this, dugdeep.

Glycine was isolated in 1820 by a fellow who decided to boil gelatin with sulfuric acid. Glycine is now widely used in many foods, cosmetics and is even an intermediary in the production of Monsanto's evil Roundup. However, like everything else, I'd prefer to consume the "natural" version, as opposed to the chemically concocted version.

Another interesting part, which may help to explain some people's sleepiness after bone broth, is that glycine is an inhibitory neurotransmitter in the central nervous system and "There is some evidence showing that 3000 milligrams of glycine before bedtime improves sleep quality.[15]"

Last point I thought was rather cool,

"The detection of glycine in the interstellar medium has been debated.[18] In 2008, the glycine-like molecule aminoacetonitrile was discovered in the Large Molecule Heimat, a giant gas cloud near the galactic center in the constellation Sagittarius by the Max Planck Institute for Radio Astronomy.[19] In 2009, glycine sampled in 2004 from comet Wild 2 by the NASA spacecraft Stardust was confirmed, the first discovery of extraterrestrial glycine.That mission's results bolstered the theory of panspermia, which claims that the "seeds" of life are widespread throughout the universe.[20]

So much to learn, so little time! :knitting:
 
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In the latest episode of Jimmy Moore's Living La Vida Low Carb, he interviews Dr. Stephen Phinney. The title of the episode is: 'Long-Term Stalls & Weight Gain Even On A Well-Formulated Low-Carb Diet'. You can find it here:

_http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/atlcx-episode-23-long-term-stalls-weight-gain-even-on-a-well-formulated-low-carb-diet-dr-stephen-phinney-2/15282

I haven't yet listened to this, but the summary looked very interesting! I'm gonna listen it tonight.

In Episode 23 of “Jimmy Moore Presents: Ask The Low-Carb Experts,” we hit on a topic that is arguably the most important issue for people embarking on a low-carb lifestyle change. And even for those of us who have been eating this way for many years, we’ve all run into those times when the weight loss just doesn’t want to cooperate with us despite doing everything the same with our low-carb diets as we always have when weight loss has happened before. But now we’re stuck with no weight loss or, worse yet, even weight gain! When this begins happening, you might be asking yourself what the heck is going on and what am I doing wrong? Has anybody ever felt that way before? Are you even living this in your own life RIGHT NOW?

This week’s “Ask The Low-Carb Experts” guest will help you circumnavigate through what might be happening to help you get on the right track again. He is legendary low-carb diet researcher and nutrition maven Dr. Stephen Phinney (listen to him in Episode 479 of “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show” podcast), the co-author of the 2010 New York Times bestselling book The New Atkins For A New You as well his two follow-up books with Dr. Jeff Volek called The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living in 2011 and The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance in 2012. Dr. Phinney has been studying low-carb diets longer than just about anyone else in modern times and so he has the pedigree to dig deeply into this issue to provide REAL answers for those who are struggling even while on a low-carb diet. It was a true honor having such a prestigious low-carb diet expert like Dr. Stephen Phinney joining us on ATLCX to take on your questions about long-term stalls and weight gain even on a low-carb diet in EPISODE 23 on August 23, 2012. This nearly two-hour podcast is worth every second to listen to and will surely be an INSTANT CLASSIC! Don’t you miss this one!

Some of the topics they discuss:

Listen to Dr. Stephen Phinney help get you through stalls on low-carb:

+What a “well-formulated low-carb diet” really is?
+There are so many concepts of low-carb diets put out there
10 concepts define what a real low-carb diet
+They counter the idea that low-carb is high-protein
+If you eat too much overall fat on low-carb, you’ll gain
+You need “a modest amount of salt” on your low-carb diet
+Consuming salt will ward off the effects of “Atkins flu”
+Defining what a genuine weight loss stall really is
+The study he did with athletes on high-fat, low-carb
+Given adequate calories, weight can be stable on low-carb
+Being on a ketogenic diet doesn’t equal weight loss
+People can tend to not pay as much attention to their diet
+Low-carbers who limit fat and increase protein usually stall
+The “dietary drift” opens up greater appetite temptations
+A scale is a very imperfect measure of your metabolism
+Weight can fluctuate in a 4-pound range at any given time
+Scale doesn’t report well on how you’re actually doing
+Many thyroid issues tend to be “self-diagnosed”
+Thyroid problems don’t cause weight stalls or gains
+Excessive exercise is not necessarily good for you
+His study that looked at exercise and weight loss effects
+Resting metabolic rates DECREASED by doing exercise
+Everybody “wants to believe exercise speeds your metabolism”
+Studies show 1-2 hours exercise daily reduces resting metabolism
+It’s not the low-carb diet if you’re exercising too much
+Sometimes you may need to “take some rest days” for recovery

+What about the idea of a “set point” theory about weight?
+“Set point” determined by carb intake and insulin resistance
+If you eat low-carb, control insulin, the “set point” drops

+Or they are eating the wrong kinds of dietary fat
+His cycling research that found mayo fat was not preferred
+Pregnancy is a major metabolic stress that changes women
+Does the macronutrient ratio really matter or not?
+Humans are diverse, there’s no set percentage for everyone
+Percent protein is not as important as the absolute amount
+Protein should be grams per day determined by your height

+The more you reduce fat calories to a degree, the better
+If your body gives you signals to eat more, follow them
+Hold protein constant, get adequate protein and enough fat
of low protein

And a lot more, it seems...
 

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