Hello everybody.
I would like to give one's own account about this thread.
I am sorry if my english is « rigid » and my syntax poor ; it's not my first language.
Like many people in the forum, i discovered that the road for a good health is fraught with pitfalls.
Trial, error, belief and conviction, all those things who are like an obligation, ( a prerequisite?).
I'm 40. I 've never been in good health : often sick (5-6 angina per year since i'm 20), poor digestion , a little weakness for one kidney and a sluggish liver. That's why, since i am twenty five, i began to be interested in nutrition anf how it could be influence the body and the mind.
The first thing i made at that time is to eat organic food. I was thinking : if something must go in the body, it would be a good thing if it is not polluted.
Quickly, i realized : eating organic food is a good thing but it has no direct effect on my pains. Anginas are still here , and joint hurt too, and pain in the right side, and kidney throbbing pain, cloudy urine, bad breath etc.
At this time i had a « diversified »diet : dairies (exept milk), cereal and grains, meat , and oh, almost forget, it was the golden age of soy and his amazing properties...And of course, plenty of fruits and vegetables and olive oil.
But bad health was still here and year after year, the pain increased slowly.
It was on the middle of the 90's. I was reading all i could about health beacause logically, i was searching why things didn't changed : the books of Dr. Herbert shelton, Dr Kousmine, D. Mérien, Cayce, R.Masson., all these persons who had a different look on health and nutrition.
In france , it always had been very difficult to find good book on health so i was always on the lookout for this subject.
From all of this, after to try and try again differents theories of these authors, i found a thing who appeared to be right for me : it was about the (i don't know the right expression in english) different combination (combining or compounding?) between food. For example , not to mix meat and starches, fruits and other food etc.
For the very first time , i had found one thing who seemed facilitate the process of one another thing : a good combining of food for a better digestion. And on top of that, it was interesting because i could see these combining decreased a little the pain of my joints in the evening, when i woke up.
Concurrently, i was trying all dietaries supplements i could. : vitamin C, citrate powder, Coenzyme Q10, SOD, systemic enzyme, digestive enzyme, charcoal activated etc. For some, with great result, for another, nothing.
In general manner, even if i was having little alleviations, i could see basic problem was really not resolved, and even if good combining of food took me « something », it was clearly not the solution.
I remember all those things who were in my head ; these certainties about vegetables and fiber, about noxiousness of meat.
I remember too how the simple fact of wonder about food was disturbing about family and friend circle...like a battle inside and outside.
In the early of the 2000's, others problems appeared : my teeth, began to loose enamel leaving dentin alone.
For me, it was like a real alarm signal, and i took it very very bad : why my body was showing me his dysfunction like this ? Beyond the unpleasant but obvious symbolism of this, it was another problem has to be put in the « equation ».
Added to this, it gave me an awkward sensation of frailty.
In the same time my lungs, inexplicably, was hurting me too. Sometimes, during whole days.
Looking for a solution for my teeth, reading some books about balance between alcalinity and acidity, i observed that the pain in my teeth was always coincided with a high acidity of my urine (often nearwich of a 5.5 ph : 5.4; 5,6 : that is very acidic) and saliva (ph around 6).
Here, i can really says that citrate powder ( Ca, Mg, Mn, K, Na) really helped me in the sense that i could control this acidity.
Reading my « sacred » books, everybody was saying : « meat is evil ; meat is very acidifying ; meat putrefies in the intestine and bowell so it 's a good reason to avoid it because no putrefaction in bowell means less acidity... ».
It was suiting me too, because, as you could have guessed, eating animal was a problem for me, like a gentle man i was thinking used to be.
So i avoided meat, increasing consumption of vegetable, raw and cooked.
I was getting that wheat was acidic too, so at the same time, i decreased wheat and increased rice.
I was noticing that food like wheat and potatoes particulary gave me pain in the right side and a very white tongue after eating them.
After to have nearly avoid them, when i was eating them occasionally, the following day was a bad day : joints very hurt, and strangely, i was having systematically dried blood in the nose .
I said before that citrate helped me very much but, in fact, it was only a patch. A good patch, but nevertheless a patch.
After have stopped meat, and decreased wheat, obviously, the problem was still here.
Again and again the same pains, everywhere.
For the very first time, i felt inside a big contained anger. Citrate compensated the pain, but it was not the solution.
I was VERY angry.
HOW COULD IT BE POSSIBLE ? There was no improvement, and things seemed to be worse and worse.
One clear question now in my head, everyday , everytime : what is the thing that i don't know ? What is the thing that i could not see ?
In the same time, i found two books who made me think very much.
The first one was « L'alimentation ou la 3 ème médecine » by Dr Seignalet.
For the first time, there was a man who said : « ALL cereals are bad ! ».
He was saying many other thing, right and wrong, but this idea about cereal was revolutionary for me. Finally i had found a man who explained scientifically why a thing like cereal and grain were bad for human.
A man who cured many people by a strange strict diet. It was ok for me : i avoided all cereal...except rice, because Seignalet was saying, pehaps for rice, there could have an exception.
The second was the book of D'adamo, the diet by blood type. The concept of lectin could explain so many things. Ok for me too !! Furthermore, i could find this gratifying to have a « scientific » diet...
I made a blood type test : i was type A. A little sad, because secretly i would to be a type O to eat meat again. No meat for me D'adamo said ! Fish ( i love fish!) and soy soy soy !
(For soy , fortunately for me, i never tolerated it. Incredible gaz in my intestines each time i had tried it, exept for milk soy. But i didn't take it anymore.).
After 6 months, the things were practically the same : sure, sometimes i was feeling less pain, but nothing real new. I was in my 33 year and my finger was beginning to be really blocked when i woke up !!
Teeth eroded, kindney weak, liver weak, joints weak, lungs weak.
I was watching others around me : they could eat anything, it seemed to be ok ! What was going on for me ?
Was i like a fool with my health ? Everything was it only in my head ?
I heard sarcastics comments around me, about food and pleasure :« life is short ! All you have to do is taking good time with food ! All is in the mind , if you're ok in your head, everything will be allright ! ».
All these boring things again and again.
What could i do ?What was the thing i didn't know ?
The time has passed with deterioration...of all.
One day (in 2008), i buy a book about fasting. I had nothing to loose, so why not ?
It did a short fasting : 5 days. A very hard experience, during and after.
From this moment, things had never be the same...the resumption of food had been , how can i say, a travelling in hell ?
As it's said in EVERY book i've read on this subject, it is currently advised after fasting to drink diluted fruit juice, and step by step, day after day, eating dried fruits, and after, vegetables and after rice, etc. So i did it.
And it had been really terrifying. I couldn't eat anymore. Nothing. Even a little slice of anything that i usually eat gave me unbelievable belch and gas. My intestines and bowel were very painful, as if i could feel every mouthful going trough my body and scraped it.
Again, i couldn't see why this happened. I couldn't understand. Pain in bowel ? Don't worry , i was thinking : increase fiber with fruits and vegetables and rice and buckwheat. Evryone who takes care of his health knows that : fibers are good.
One morning, i saw a little bit of blood in my stools.
I was shocked, and angry too. And despaired. A big slap. All those those things i've tried, and for this ?
Everyday it was the same question all the day : what can i eat that won't hurt me ? And now , seing these blood, it was like a defeat.
So i decided to avoid completely all the things who hurt my bowel when i eat it.
I took me nearly two years to test each food, with a permanent discomfort and pain.
I avoided : wheat, fruits (all fruits), sugar, molasses, honey, all starches (exept rice and buckwheat), all vegetables(except courgette and lettuce), egg, almond and many more.
In 2010, i stopped rice too, no gluten at all.
I took probiotics and it was a super help for me.
At the beginning of 2011, i could count staple(?) on my fingers.
Cocoa, Wallnut, courgette, lettuce, stevia, salmon, sardine and sometime chicken, ghee buckwheat.
With this diet, the pain in bowel decreased very much, BUT i was feeling there was « something » not resolved, above all the real reason of the disease.
The pain was still here, in dormance.
My levels of energy were at the bottom ; very tired all the time.
In july, i made another fasting, painful too : 7 days.
After fasting, same thing that for the first one.
I said stop. I stopped buckwheat, cocoa and wallnut. But, and i didn't understood it, i was craving of
grapefruit. So i took 100 ml of fresh grapefruit juice in the morning, after i waked up...
I took 20 days to read in the forum « life without bread »'s topic in its enterity.
I decided to try it.
I bought meat (pork, lamb, duck and beef), eggs. I made ghee, lots of ghee.
In the early days, i kept the grapefruit juice,100 ml mixed in 50 cl of warm water (now i don't take it anymore after having decreased it 10 ml per day to eliminate it completely after 10 days) at 6 hours.
6h30 : i drink 50 cl of a mixed infusion of root ( dandelion, boldo, artichoke and milk thistle) with fresh ginger juice (made with extractor juice) and stevia. I put powder citrate of magnesium and calcium(ratio 1/1),1000 mg of vitamin C, and a few little of zinc gluconate powder, and pectin powder.
7h15 : 100 g of lamb or pork or duck or salmon with one egg, and of course fat. I put fat duck in the stove, or ghee or coconut oil. Slice of ghee in the plate with meat too.
I take 1000 mg of vitamin C again, and i mix 100 mg of citrate potassium/sodium powder (ratio 1/1). I take digestive enzym and 750 mg of betain hcl ( i ordered ox bile too ).
13-14h : i'm a little hungry, so i take the same infusion (75 cl) as at 6h30 ( without zinc and pectin) and i add a big slice of ghee in it.
16h : Sometimes i drink again infusion, without ghee.
17-18h : I'm hungry, i eat the same thing as at 7h15, but i change protein, with the sames supplements.
Sometime, about 21-22h i take another infusion only with roots.
Comments on the menu:
I tried adjustments and this menu is the result of those adjustments.
For example, i noticed that vegetable, even courgette and lettuce give me pain in bowel (belch and gas), so ...no vegetables.
I don't take buckwheat anymore , because with meal, it make a bad mix in my stomach.
I had always took very much salt in my life ( guerande salt), very much. With this diet, no change.
I drink very much too.
Pork give me belch each time and i wonder what to do : avoid it ?
For fat it seems to be ok , even coconut oil.
I add one tea spoon of turmeric powder mixed in fat, each meal.
Sometimes, i drink concomber juice before the meal. It seems to be ok.
I prepare citrate myself : i buy them by kilo and i mix them with differents ratios.
Comments on the effect of the diet :
The early days i had pain in the right side (liver and gall blader), but increasing enzym and tisane, it's ok now.
In the vegetable garden, i took artichoke leaves and i put them in the extractor juice : it is VERY bitter. Before meal i take one little glass of it : amazing effect on the liver and gall blader.
I do for a very long time enema with green coffee bean, and it helps too when it was hurting me in the right side. I buy it by kilo.
Now the pain is gone.
Fortunatly i have no headache, no cramp. I feel weak but i think it is normal because i can't really eat carbohydrate. So i suppose with time, it will be better. Sure, i can work but i get tired very easily.
The early days , urine was very cloudy with little little pain on kidney. I decreased meat at 100 g per meal, increased water et citrate powder, and now urine is pretty and kidney too.
For the very first time in many years, i have no pain . It's absolutly incredible.
Joint pain had completely desappeared ; for me it is a sign, the better sign ( i think of all those wrong things about meat and acidity and joint etc...).
In my mind, i can say, it is a real real relief. I'm not obsessed by food anymore. Eating is now a pleasure for me, i feel live again. How could i explain that ?
In retrospect, i see how much ignorance can be bad, how much lack of knowledge is dangerous, how much belief and conviction make me be stupid, narrow-minded.
My body was trying to tell me something that i couln't hear, all over these years, because there was something so much BIG in front of my eyes that i couldn't see that, and my mind too.
But it was a good lesson. I learnt too to see food and learnt to dissociate it with pleasure, and it's very hard, because in our society, food = pleasure.
Health and nutrition, like we learn everywhere seems to be the result of a perfect sick mind, a pernicious reversal.
I must confess, it's a huge slap in my mind, like when i read, in the past, Ouspensky or Gurdjieff.
How could it be possible to be misleaded again like this, about my own body ?
It's a very sad thing.
I' m sorry if this post is long, but for me, this testimony had only a signification if i'm talking about failures, and genesis of this history.
I know my conjugation is disastrous : ).
Thank you VERY MUCH to everybody in this forum that i read since many years, even if i don't participate very much too.
I would like to give one's own account about this thread.
I am sorry if my english is « rigid » and my syntax poor ; it's not my first language.
Like many people in the forum, i discovered that the road for a good health is fraught with pitfalls.
Trial, error, belief and conviction, all those things who are like an obligation, ( a prerequisite?).
I'm 40. I 've never been in good health : often sick (5-6 angina per year since i'm 20), poor digestion , a little weakness for one kidney and a sluggish liver. That's why, since i am twenty five, i began to be interested in nutrition anf how it could be influence the body and the mind.
The first thing i made at that time is to eat organic food. I was thinking : if something must go in the body, it would be a good thing if it is not polluted.
Quickly, i realized : eating organic food is a good thing but it has no direct effect on my pains. Anginas are still here , and joint hurt too, and pain in the right side, and kidney throbbing pain, cloudy urine, bad breath etc.
At this time i had a « diversified »diet : dairies (exept milk), cereal and grains, meat , and oh, almost forget, it was the golden age of soy and his amazing properties...And of course, plenty of fruits and vegetables and olive oil.
But bad health was still here and year after year, the pain increased slowly.
It was on the middle of the 90's. I was reading all i could about health beacause logically, i was searching why things didn't changed : the books of Dr. Herbert shelton, Dr Kousmine, D. Mérien, Cayce, R.Masson., all these persons who had a different look on health and nutrition.
In france , it always had been very difficult to find good book on health so i was always on the lookout for this subject.
From all of this, after to try and try again differents theories of these authors, i found a thing who appeared to be right for me : it was about the (i don't know the right expression in english) different combination (combining or compounding?) between food. For example , not to mix meat and starches, fruits and other food etc.
For the very first time , i had found one thing who seemed facilitate the process of one another thing : a good combining of food for a better digestion. And on top of that, it was interesting because i could see these combining decreased a little the pain of my joints in the evening, when i woke up.
Concurrently, i was trying all dietaries supplements i could. : vitamin C, citrate powder, Coenzyme Q10, SOD, systemic enzyme, digestive enzyme, charcoal activated etc. For some, with great result, for another, nothing.
In general manner, even if i was having little alleviations, i could see basic problem was really not resolved, and even if good combining of food took me « something », it was clearly not the solution.
I remember all those things who were in my head ; these certainties about vegetables and fiber, about noxiousness of meat.
I remember too how the simple fact of wonder about food was disturbing about family and friend circle...like a battle inside and outside.
In the early of the 2000's, others problems appeared : my teeth, began to loose enamel leaving dentin alone.
For me, it was like a real alarm signal, and i took it very very bad : why my body was showing me his dysfunction like this ? Beyond the unpleasant but obvious symbolism of this, it was another problem has to be put in the « equation ».
Added to this, it gave me an awkward sensation of frailty.
In the same time my lungs, inexplicably, was hurting me too. Sometimes, during whole days.
Looking for a solution for my teeth, reading some books about balance between alcalinity and acidity, i observed that the pain in my teeth was always coincided with a high acidity of my urine (often nearwich of a 5.5 ph : 5.4; 5,6 : that is very acidic) and saliva (ph around 6).
Here, i can really says that citrate powder ( Ca, Mg, Mn, K, Na) really helped me in the sense that i could control this acidity.
Reading my « sacred » books, everybody was saying : « meat is evil ; meat is very acidifying ; meat putrefies in the intestine and bowell so it 's a good reason to avoid it because no putrefaction in bowell means less acidity... ».
It was suiting me too, because, as you could have guessed, eating animal was a problem for me, like a gentle man i was thinking used to be.
So i avoided meat, increasing consumption of vegetable, raw and cooked.
I was getting that wheat was acidic too, so at the same time, i decreased wheat and increased rice.
I was noticing that food like wheat and potatoes particulary gave me pain in the right side and a very white tongue after eating them.
After to have nearly avoid them, when i was eating them occasionally, the following day was a bad day : joints very hurt, and strangely, i was having systematically dried blood in the nose .
I said before that citrate helped me very much but, in fact, it was only a patch. A good patch, but nevertheless a patch.
After have stopped meat, and decreased wheat, obviously, the problem was still here.
Again and again the same pains, everywhere.
For the very first time, i felt inside a big contained anger. Citrate compensated the pain, but it was not the solution.
I was VERY angry.
HOW COULD IT BE POSSIBLE ? There was no improvement, and things seemed to be worse and worse.
One clear question now in my head, everyday , everytime : what is the thing that i don't know ? What is the thing that i could not see ?
In the same time, i found two books who made me think very much.
The first one was « L'alimentation ou la 3 ème médecine » by Dr Seignalet.
For the first time, there was a man who said : « ALL cereals are bad ! ».
He was saying many other thing, right and wrong, but this idea about cereal was revolutionary for me. Finally i had found a man who explained scientifically why a thing like cereal and grain were bad for human.
A man who cured many people by a strange strict diet. It was ok for me : i avoided all cereal...except rice, because Seignalet was saying, pehaps for rice, there could have an exception.
The second was the book of D'adamo, the diet by blood type. The concept of lectin could explain so many things. Ok for me too !! Furthermore, i could find this gratifying to have a « scientific » diet...
I made a blood type test : i was type A. A little sad, because secretly i would to be a type O to eat meat again. No meat for me D'adamo said ! Fish ( i love fish!) and soy soy soy !
(For soy , fortunately for me, i never tolerated it. Incredible gaz in my intestines each time i had tried it, exept for milk soy. But i didn't take it anymore.).
After 6 months, the things were practically the same : sure, sometimes i was feeling less pain, but nothing real new. I was in my 33 year and my finger was beginning to be really blocked when i woke up !!
Teeth eroded, kindney weak, liver weak, joints weak, lungs weak.
I was watching others around me : they could eat anything, it seemed to be ok ! What was going on for me ?
Was i like a fool with my health ? Everything was it only in my head ?
I heard sarcastics comments around me, about food and pleasure :« life is short ! All you have to do is taking good time with food ! All is in the mind , if you're ok in your head, everything will be allright ! ».
All these boring things again and again.
What could i do ?What was the thing i didn't know ?
The time has passed with deterioration...of all.
One day (in 2008), i buy a book about fasting. I had nothing to loose, so why not ?
It did a short fasting : 5 days. A very hard experience, during and after.
From this moment, things had never be the same...the resumption of food had been , how can i say, a travelling in hell ?
As it's said in EVERY book i've read on this subject, it is currently advised after fasting to drink diluted fruit juice, and step by step, day after day, eating dried fruits, and after, vegetables and after rice, etc. So i did it.
And it had been really terrifying. I couldn't eat anymore. Nothing. Even a little slice of anything that i usually eat gave me unbelievable belch and gas. My intestines and bowel were very painful, as if i could feel every mouthful going trough my body and scraped it.
Again, i couldn't see why this happened. I couldn't understand. Pain in bowel ? Don't worry , i was thinking : increase fiber with fruits and vegetables and rice and buckwheat. Evryone who takes care of his health knows that : fibers are good.
One morning, i saw a little bit of blood in my stools.
I was shocked, and angry too. And despaired. A big slap. All those those things i've tried, and for this ?
Everyday it was the same question all the day : what can i eat that won't hurt me ? And now , seing these blood, it was like a defeat.
So i decided to avoid completely all the things who hurt my bowel when i eat it.
I took me nearly two years to test each food, with a permanent discomfort and pain.
I avoided : wheat, fruits (all fruits), sugar, molasses, honey, all starches (exept rice and buckwheat), all vegetables(except courgette and lettuce), egg, almond and many more.
In 2010, i stopped rice too, no gluten at all.
I took probiotics and it was a super help for me.
At the beginning of 2011, i could count staple(?) on my fingers.
Cocoa, Wallnut, courgette, lettuce, stevia, salmon, sardine and sometime chicken, ghee buckwheat.
With this diet, the pain in bowel decreased very much, BUT i was feeling there was « something » not resolved, above all the real reason of the disease.
The pain was still here, in dormance.
My levels of energy were at the bottom ; very tired all the time.
In july, i made another fasting, painful too : 7 days.
After fasting, same thing that for the first one.
I said stop. I stopped buckwheat, cocoa and wallnut. But, and i didn't understood it, i was craving of
grapefruit. So i took 100 ml of fresh grapefruit juice in the morning, after i waked up...
I took 20 days to read in the forum « life without bread »'s topic in its enterity.
I decided to try it.
I bought meat (pork, lamb, duck and beef), eggs. I made ghee, lots of ghee.
In the early days, i kept the grapefruit juice,100 ml mixed in 50 cl of warm water (now i don't take it anymore after having decreased it 10 ml per day to eliminate it completely after 10 days) at 6 hours.
6h30 : i drink 50 cl of a mixed infusion of root ( dandelion, boldo, artichoke and milk thistle) with fresh ginger juice (made with extractor juice) and stevia. I put powder citrate of magnesium and calcium(ratio 1/1),1000 mg of vitamin C, and a few little of zinc gluconate powder, and pectin powder.
7h15 : 100 g of lamb or pork or duck or salmon with one egg, and of course fat. I put fat duck in the stove, or ghee or coconut oil. Slice of ghee in the plate with meat too.
I take 1000 mg of vitamin C again, and i mix 100 mg of citrate potassium/sodium powder (ratio 1/1). I take digestive enzym and 750 mg of betain hcl ( i ordered ox bile too ).
13-14h : i'm a little hungry, so i take the same infusion (75 cl) as at 6h30 ( without zinc and pectin) and i add a big slice of ghee in it.
16h : Sometimes i drink again infusion, without ghee.
17-18h : I'm hungry, i eat the same thing as at 7h15, but i change protein, with the sames supplements.
Sometime, about 21-22h i take another infusion only with roots.
Comments on the menu:
I tried adjustments and this menu is the result of those adjustments.
For example, i noticed that vegetable, even courgette and lettuce give me pain in bowel (belch and gas), so ...no vegetables.
I don't take buckwheat anymore , because with meal, it make a bad mix in my stomach.
I had always took very much salt in my life ( guerande salt), very much. With this diet, no change.
I drink very much too.
Pork give me belch each time and i wonder what to do : avoid it ?
For fat it seems to be ok , even coconut oil.
I add one tea spoon of turmeric powder mixed in fat, each meal.
Sometimes, i drink concomber juice before the meal. It seems to be ok.
I prepare citrate myself : i buy them by kilo and i mix them with differents ratios.
Comments on the effect of the diet :
The early days i had pain in the right side (liver and gall blader), but increasing enzym and tisane, it's ok now.
In the vegetable garden, i took artichoke leaves and i put them in the extractor juice : it is VERY bitter. Before meal i take one little glass of it : amazing effect on the liver and gall blader.
I do for a very long time enema with green coffee bean, and it helps too when it was hurting me in the right side. I buy it by kilo.
Now the pain is gone.
Fortunatly i have no headache, no cramp. I feel weak but i think it is normal because i can't really eat carbohydrate. So i suppose with time, it will be better. Sure, i can work but i get tired very easily.
The early days , urine was very cloudy with little little pain on kidney. I decreased meat at 100 g per meal, increased water et citrate powder, and now urine is pretty and kidney too.
For the very first time in many years, i have no pain . It's absolutly incredible.
Joint pain had completely desappeared ; for me it is a sign, the better sign ( i think of all those wrong things about meat and acidity and joint etc...).
In my mind, i can say, it is a real real relief. I'm not obsessed by food anymore. Eating is now a pleasure for me, i feel live again. How could i explain that ?
In retrospect, i see how much ignorance can be bad, how much lack of knowledge is dangerous, how much belief and conviction make me be stupid, narrow-minded.
My body was trying to tell me something that i couln't hear, all over these years, because there was something so much BIG in front of my eyes that i couldn't see that, and my mind too.
But it was a good lesson. I learnt too to see food and learnt to dissociate it with pleasure, and it's very hard, because in our society, food = pleasure.
Health and nutrition, like we learn everywhere seems to be the result of a perfect sick mind, a pernicious reversal.
I must confess, it's a huge slap in my mind, like when i read, in the past, Ouspensky or Gurdjieff.
How could it be possible to be misleaded again like this, about my own body ?
It's a very sad thing.
I' m sorry if this post is long, but for me, this testimony had only a signification if i'm talking about failures, and genesis of this history.
I know my conjugation is disastrous : ).
Thank you VERY MUCH to everybody in this forum that i read since many years, even if i don't participate very much too.
