"Life Without Bread"

Miss.K said:
I haven't started the Eiriu Eolas program yet, though I have seen all videos, and have done a few breaths when I remembered, in the last year or so, (and even a single breath has a slight positive effect) ... partly due to fear of having all the buried traumas surfacing=more mess to clear up, I know this is not too rational, just being honest.

Luckily I have now gotten the audio from a friend (thank you friend in case your lurking ;) ) So have decided to start tonight, encouraged by your kind encouragement...

"A few breaths" may be just what you need to start to become familiar with EE. Once you are more familiar, you can go further. The buried tramas, if they are there, don't go away by avoiding them, but don't try to uncover them faster than you are able. You need to maintain some kind of ecological balance within, even if it means delaying some explorations. At this point (wish I had known this years ago) I would say give priorty to diet and health first, to give you more strength and ability to deal with other issues.

Reading some of the recommended books (the "Narcissism Big 5") can help. You can always stop if it's too much for the moment, and they provide a certain amount of support in the stories they tell about other people's experiences.

And yes, you will need the audio.
 
Nienna Eluch said:
Since I have my biggest meal in the morning, that's when I drink the most water. I reduce it during the day, going mainly by thirst.

Be careful to not dilute down the acid in your stomach after eating. The stomach emptying time is up to 3 hours (see tables inside Vegetarian Myth). I think the best time to drink is before the meals and then wait some time until the acid is concentrated again.
 
Data said:
Nienna Eluch said:
Since I have my biggest meal in the morning, that's when I drink the most water. I reduce it during the day, going mainly by thirst.

Be careful to not dilute down the acid in your stomach after eating. The stomach emptying time is up to 3 hours (see tables inside Vegetarian Myth). I think the best time to drink is before the meals and then wait some time until the acid is concentrated again.

I think it's more reasonable to simply drink when you're thirsty. I really don't think that micro-managing water intake makes much sense. I also don't really buy into the idea that water significantly dilutes stomach acid, at least not in the quantities most people drink it. Just my two cents.
 
anart said:
Data said:
Nienna Eluch said:
Since I have my biggest meal in the morning, that's when I drink the most water. I reduce it during the day, going mainly by thirst.

Be careful to not dilute down the acid in your stomach after eating. The stomach emptying time is up to 3 hours (see tables inside Vegetarian Myth). I think the best time to drink is before the meals and then wait some time until the acid is concentrated again.

I think it's more reasonable to simply drink when you're thirsty. I really don't think that micro-managing water intake makes much sense. I also don't really buy into the idea that water significantly dilutes stomach acid, at least not in the quantities most people drink it. Just my two cents.

The subject has been further discussed in the The Vegetarian Myth thread.

Pointed out in support of simply drinking when thirsty was:
* Other species (at any rate carnivores mentioned) seem to often drink with their meals when water available. If this was detrimental in some way, I think the thirst mechanism we have in common would have evolved to work differently by now.
* It has been mentioned (original source once quoted on forum but not found with search) that the body actually gathers and pumps liquid into the stomach if we don't drink at or near the time of eating, as a certain consistency is needed for good digestion. Meaning that not drinking when thirsty during a meal simply makes for a bit of temporary dehydration.

It lacks in references to research, but what we have seems at any rate to support common sense. The "don't drink around mealtime" idea seems to me to follow a general pattern - while harmless in comparison, the same process through which people suddenly, for example, began fearing healthy fat - some suggestion, the opposite of what is natural, spreads, and is soon accepted and then repeated by a great many.
 
Nienna Eluch said:
LQB said:
Thanks for the reminder NE - I do sometimes slack on this. Just lately I've been bumping it up to the point of having to get up to pee 3X per night. The Mg treatment last night didn't help but during the day today, seems a little better. I'll try the treatment again tonight. That deep "core" pain (like go2 describes it) is very strange and a real sleep robber for me.

With the water thing. It's not good to overdo it either. Having to get up 3 times during the night to use the bathroom is not good.

I usually drink the bulk of my water by the afternoon. Since I have my biggest meal in the morning, that's when I drink the most water. I reduce it during the day, going mainly by thirst. I find that using a lot of salt, helps me to want to drink the water. But there is such a thing as water toxicity, too. So don't overdue it.

Most definitely. Funny, a couple weeks ago, during very low carb intake, bathroom frequency during the night was down to 0X. Last 2 nights has been better but the discomfort/pain is not gone - adding the minerals does not seem to help much although the tendency to cramp in the legs is less. We'll see ...
 
Finally watched Nora Gedgaudas video last night “"Primal mind: nutrition & mental health—improving the way you feel & function & cultivating an ageless mind", and was amazed at her well delivered presentation and facts - she seemed a wonderful genuine and humble speaker. There was also a link that allowed one to view her slide presentation. Based on her work - her book seems most appropriate.

Have a question about her thinking on modified ancestral diets when she discusses meat consumption amounts; likely she expands on this within her book. How are others looking at this and feeling with their portions. Have searched here for variability’s on portion consumption and perhaps missed the main thread posts that reviewed this.

Prior diet was having issues with what I thought was meat consumption, however, it was linked to accompanying evil matters and the mixing in the gut, the processing was all muddled up. Since, recovery has been steady in many areas. Nevertheless, experiencing tiredness after eating more so than before - there is more wanting to sleep after eating - which leads me to ask about portion correlations if noticed by others - perhaps there is general table by weight classification, or maybe it is part of the following, too?

Supplements - taking at the moment Boswellia, Magnesium, L-Glutamine, C’s/D’s, Melatonin (3mg. not every day), Omega-3 - maybe should reconsider this list or add to this regime?

Thanks.
 
"A few breaths" may be just what you need to start to become familiar with EE. Once you are more familiar, you can go further.

Thanks Megan, I did the program yesterday, and I feel better already :)
 
Laurentien said:
dugdeep, I eat pate de fois, made with equal weight of lard (0 protein) and chicken liver (24gr / per 100 gr). This is what keep me away from carb during the day and if you eat some before a meal, it take away a good part of your appetite. I cook kilo of this paté at a time http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21014.msg217269.html#msg217269 and eat it with every meal and if I feel hungry during the day, a spoonful take away the craving.

Thanks Laurentien! I think I'm going to give this a go. I bought some chicken liver some time ago, but it's been sitting in my freezer since I didn't know what to do with it. I'm going to make a few alterations to your recipe (I'll leave out the buckwheat flour and maybe use water instead of almond/hemp milk).

I'm defrosting the chicken livers now...
:D
 
Parallax said:
Finally watched Nora Gedgaudas video last night “"Primal mind: nutrition & mental health—improving the way you feel & function & cultivating an ageless mind", and was amazed at her well delivered presentation and facts - she seemed a wonderful genuine and humble speaker.

Her interviews available at her radio site are also very refreshing to hear: she has a genuine, uplifting style saturated with intelligence. Ideal listening for FIR sessions, she definitely will hold your attention!

~
I took about 35gr carbs today and about 150gr fat and 100 gr meat with generous amount of water in the newly tried 'whole animal-body parts' soup, which became in this way at least twice so tasty (bones, skin, tendons, attached fat etc.), than made with just lean meat before. During the athletic exercise this evening i noticed, that the ketogenic diet must be about slow burning and supplying the body with energy and glucose. The keto diet does definitely not work like the high-carbs dumping shovels of sugar into the blood and as a result can do lightning-strike fight-or-flee super-powered physical achievements in the hyperaroused state. Then when this high-carbs craze is over, the body doesn't have sugar and almost literally a small-death was experienced (by me) always, crawling up the stories, dizzy, perspiring, shaky legs, then sitting in the kitchen and feeling i'm dying. (5-10yrs ago)

The keto diet results in a steady supply of energy during intense athletic exercise. I couldn't step on the gas and make a speed-record with this fuel. Don't expect to do super-powered super-speed feats. Rather i realized with keto i became a cart-pulling mule, who could almost go on fat and meat all day. That's why, it seems, those men - eating exclusively deer meat and high fat diet - after 2-3 weeks period were able to walk so long distances. I suppose it was with rucksack.

Ate nothing since ~16:30, the heavy exercise was between 17:00-21:30(with long travel, instead of immediately walking home like 5-10yrs ago on H.C. diet). There is no sign of the old, near fainting, dead-feeling exhaustion. Drank a lot of water, took supplements, and a big, fat-rich breakfast is planned for tomorrow. ;)
 
forge said:
The keto diet results in a steady supply of energy during athletic exercise. Don't expect to do super-powered super-speed feats. Rather i realized becoming a cart-pulling mule, who could almost go all day on fat and meat. That's why, it seems, those men - eating exclusively deer meat and high fat diet - after 2-3 weeks period were able to walk so long distances. I suppose it was with rucksack.

I was talking about this with Perceval today and hearing him describe the changes in himself (after being a carb addict for years and running a marathon on pasta...) I began to wonder if the low-carb approach actually slows down aging, too, since it slows down the whole energy/burning system. ???
 
[quote author=Laura]I began to wonder if the low-carb approach actually slows down aging, too, since it slows down the whole energy/burning system. ???[/quote]

I think there's merit to this just from the fact that a great deal of oxidation occurs from metabolizing glucose. The evidence is solid that oxidation contributes to aging.
 
Aloha All!

I recently read LWB, which was kind of a "refresher course" for me because I have been eating a very-low- to low-carb diet since June 2010, except for a couple short-term "experiments" after which I eagerly returned to low-carb. I get much better results when I minimize the carbs in my diet :D Reading this book helped to refresh my memory and I also learned some new things, and I continue to learn more in this thread. I'm currently devouring The Vegetarian Myth, and I'll be getting a copy of PBPM soon based on what I've read here. I love reading books, and I really appreciate how you all encourage doing more of that :)

I have read various concerns throughout this thread regarding getting enough of the "right kind of" fats in our diet, and I would like to offer a suggestion. First, I want to establish that what I understand to be the "right kind of" fats are those that are from a wild- or natural-fed animal (eg: grass-fed *and* grass-finished cattle, aka *pastured* cattle). Now here's my suggestion: Make an arrangement with a local hunter or butcher, who regularly processes this type of animal, to purchase fat that gets trimmed off the muscle meat during this process. In reference to cattle, this is called "hide fat" or "back fat". (There is also fat called suet that I understand to be fat that grows around the kidneys; I've had this when I've eaten kidney, but haven't liked it as much.) For a point of reference, here on Maui, I get local grass-fed, grass-finished beef for as little as $5/lb at the local "health food" store. The butcher sells that "trim fat" for $1.09/lb. Pretty cheap for good quality fat...

Now here's the thing: I eat the fat *raw* (as I do the meat and organs). Now, I don't intend to start a debate at this point about whether or not we should eat our animal-based food raw. But *if* you're willing to give it a try, this is a way you could easily (and cheaply) get enough of the "right kind of" fats in your diet. In my experience, raw fat is more appealing in various ways than beef tallow with which I've been experimenting. I find the raw fat to be quite enjoyable without any addition, whereas to eat a lot of tallow, I have to add salt and/or meat to it to make it palatable enough. I recently went back to eating raw fat after eating just tallow as my fat for a while and the difference was palpable; it seems to me that it has, and gives me, more vitality. I suppose eating raw fat might seem strange at first, especially after being in the habit of eating some form of cooked fat. I actually transitioned into it after eating a raw-vegan diet for several years (preceeded by over ten years of a vegetarian diet), so my transition was rather from raw coconut and avocado to raw animal fat...If you can deal with the transition, you may come to learn of the variations and differences in different types of raw fat, even in the same slab of hide fat. Some parts are dry and crumbly, others are moist and chewy, and there are also subtle flavor variations. Sometimes it actually tastes/seems like dough or something. You can't eat it with a spoon, but so what? You just cut it like you do your steak ;) I actually use a good pair of poultry shears/scissors to cut my fat, as well as meat and organs, into bite-sized chunks and that's all I need to do to prepare it for eating :D Eating raw fat is satisfying to me because I get to chew it and enjoy the different flavors and textures, and I can easily get to a point of feeling completely satiated; in fact, I continue to be surprised by how little it takes to fill me up, even limiting the protein in the meal to 25g. Eating tallow just can't compare to that. I can't speak for eating butter because it's been so long since I've eaten that, but I suspect it wouldn't be much better than tallow; the fact that so many people are striving to find some way to eat it, something they can mix it with to be able to eat enough of it, seems telling enough.

So I realize my idea may seem radical, but think about it...


Btw, you can go to http://www.eatwild.com/products/index.html to look for a local source of natural-fed meat. Even if you cannot find a local supplier, some of them will ship meat to you; you can find them here: http://www.eatwild.com/products/farmsthatship.html For example, at times I have ordered from U.S.Wellness Meats at http://www.grasslandbeef.com/StoreFront.bok who will ship frozen meat in a cooler to your house (anywhere in the US) for a flat handling fee of $7.50 regardless of the size of the order. Of course it might be more difficult to get raw fat trim this way, but iirc some suppliers might sell that or at least suet. Either way, this is a great resource for local or shipped natural-fed meat :D


Hoping this helps :)
Renee
 
dugdeep said:
Laurentien said:
dugdeep, I eat pate de fois, made with equal weight of lard (0 protein) and chicken liver (24gr / per 100 gr). This is what keep me away from carb during the day and if you eat some before a meal, it take away a good part of your appetite. I cook kilo of this paté at a time http://cassiophttp://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,21014.msg217269.html#msg217269 and eat it with every meal and if I feel hungry during the day, a spoonful take away the craving.

Thanks Laurentien! I think I'm going to give this a go. I bought some chicken liver some time ago, but it's been sitting in my freezer since I didn't know what to do with it. I'm going to make a few alterations to your recipe (I'll leave out the buckwheat flour and maybe use water instead of almond/hemp milk).

I'm defrosting the chicken livers now...
:D

Laurentien, as I saw your pate recipe some months ago, I immediately started making a try and it was... is.... WONDERFULL! As I love goat liver, I now just use the latter instead of chicken liver and have since then always a pate de foie awaiting in my fridge!

You are right, Dugdeep, in occasions, when I feel like having to eat something in the afternoon, just 10grs. or so is far enough to make me feel relaxed. Maybe because liver has many Vit. A, which also has a kind of hormonal action which seems to help controlling estrogen, and also mostly because it also helps synthesizing proteins, which is what I am trying to deal with.
 
Laura said:
I was talking about this with Perceval today and hearing him describe the changes in himself (after being a carb addict for years and running a marathon on pasta...) I began to wonder if the low-carb approach actually slows down aging, too, since it slows down the whole energy/burning system. ???

That is the point of doing "caloric restriction," A.K.A. protein restriction, as part of the low-carb diet. mTOR pathway. All that stuff (which is quickly melting into mush in my memory). It promotes, among other things, telomere repair, and homeostasis generally.
 
Laura said:
forge said:
The keto diet results in a steady supply of energy during athletic exercise. Don't expect to do super-powered super-speed feats. Rather i realized becoming a cart-pulling mule, who could almost go all day on fat and meat. That's why, it seems, those men - eating exclusively deer meat and high fat diet - after 2-3 weeks period were able to walk so long distances. I suppose it was with rucksack.

I was talking about this with Perceval today and hearing him describe the changes in himself (after being a carb addict for years and running a marathon on pasta...) I began to wonder if the low-carb approach actually slows down aging, too, since it slows down the whole energy/burning system. ???

Ditto what Jerry said. In PBPM, Gedgaudas writes: "Aging is now being understood by people researching longevity as essentially a gradual process of glycation of all tissues, including the brain." And she mentions it's cumulative, so every little bit counts...
 

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