Location, location, location

[Joe]

Not that easy to gather 160,000 Euros

Yeah, obviously it's only for those who were seriously thinking of moving and could perhaps sell their existing home and have enough to buy in Spain.

 

[big-picture]

I am very happy to have found this post, as I was almost going to start my own on a similar aspect of the topic.

I can honestly say that I don't have a great network of "like minded" people in my community, or I haven't found them yet, but there is enough people that I have been luckily enough to network with, and this is what we have came up with. In short, knowledge is power right? So if there is a possibility of these earth changes (which appear to be quite possible) then wouldn't it make sense to educate ourselves in the aspects of survival? If we are able to survive through these earth changes and avoid the mass chaos and destruction urban areas would go through, why wouldn't we. I think a small amount of preparation would be a good idea. I already live in a cold area of the world, with -50 not being uncommon in the winter months, and I can tell you from experience, it is far from comfortable and without heat and electricity surviving without a plan or preparation would be very very difficult. We have decided to make some preparations to have the basic survival tools on hand and packed together, so if that alarm ever did sound, or that gut instinct told us to run to the bushes we would have the things we needed to go. Once you start looking into the basics of food and shelter and clean water, it is then when you realize how little prepared and educated we are on taking care of our basic needs without the system. So much for 12 years of mandatory school where you don't even learn how to start a fire (I wasn't lucky enough for boy scouts ha ha) I would love to be able to afford to make a large self sufficient home, with lots of extra room for others but unfortunately I cannot do that. After taking a survival course relative to the area I live in I realize that I don't want to relocate, but I do want to be prepared, even if I never need to use it. Somethings we thought about was making a small underground shelter in a remote area in the forest (luckily we live very close, close enough that we could walk there if there were no other means) keeping it hidden and using it as a safe haven if that time ever comes. It is time to work on oneself internally, yes, but at this point in my existence and most others, we need to exist externally to in order to continue this work. We have been given information that things may happen, And when you look at the situation from a survival standpoint, it can look pretty grim. Example, if the power were to be disconnected for longer than 24 hours, people would start to panic... if the crisis continued, there would be food shortages etc. I don't have to point out that our civilization is on a self needs basis, and it would only be a matter of time before people are stealing, hurting or even killing for what they want. The forest life seems glorious in that case. I am not trying to be to opinionated, I just hope that there are people out there that want to educate themselves on the basics. If you don't know where to get clean water without the tap, learn a way. If you do not know how to make a simple shelter or fire and manage in -50, perhaps you should educate yourselves a bit. The information is out there!!! And it may be oh so helpful in a situation. Keep on working friends :)

 

[Nook]

2) The notion that bodily purification necessarily precedes increases in consciousness -- As in: "I need a physical detox, so that I can start to think clearly." I think this is the wrong formulation, and I suggested that awareness comes first, meaning it should lead. As in: "Being aware, I see that I've been eating poorly. I will continue to be aware and make better health decisions, which may require research and personal experimentation." Once again, no argument that a physical detox may indeed help many to think more clearly. Looking at my previous post, you'll see that I note early on that physicality generally mediates spiritual experience, and so is an important component of awareness.

Well, let's say that someone doesn't have the ability to think clearly because of brain inflammation due to diet. While they may be aware that something is off, being in that state would hamper their ability to deal with their programs that would lead to more objective thinking - the ability to see and accept truth in all forms even though they may have the willingness to do so.

So while some may be able to understand how their diet affects their health in some ways prior to going on the diet, others may need to trust first that they have issues that would be improved by diet and then come to the understanding later as they notice changes that support it. Either way it goes, there is a level of trust that I think needs to take place in order for that leap of faith to occur. Hope that makes sense.

When I first started on this diet, I took said leap of faith because I had no noticeable symptoms that anything was off but I had seen changes in myself due to ee. I decided to try it. Shortly after, I began to realize that I felt better and was being affected in very subtle ways by what I was ingesting. That was proof enough for me and an interesting lesson as well. The diet helped me to realize that certain foods were affecting my ability to see and in turn help others in seeing. It also helped me to realize that by supporting my own body's awareness in its ability to be more conscious, I was better able to assist others in becoming more conscious as well.

Have to agree. I also took a leap of faith when I started but the changes that have occurred in me ever since (more than a year ago) have been most beneficial. Mentally, emotionally, in every respect, I am more in control of my 'vessel'.
So the diet IS one of the first steps and in retrospect, everyone is glad to have made the change. Of course, you can do the work in the meantime but you cannot possibly wish to be as conscious as you could be without doing these.

Another subject, the original of the thread, relocation.

More and more people feel the need to relocate, for many reasons, even inside the USofA (as this post mostly focuses on relocation inside US) and a lot of people are looking for guidance. I think gathering all the information, all the different aspects to consider would be of benefit to everyone interested in relocation.

Staying away from greater bodies of water in case of a hurricane or a comet hitting a bigger body of water, avoiding major cities where the you-know-what will hit the fan first and deteriorating personalities can be most dangerous (like NY), NDAA (and the few states that have actually rejected this act of 'National Security'), fracking, etc...etc...
There are many things to consider but I would like to share a few links and will explain why.

I found 3 states that have come out and rejected the NDAA, Virginia, Michigan and Texas:
_http://rt.com/usa/news/virginia-ndaa-us-law-074/
_http://beforeitsnews.com/libertarian/2012/12/ndaa-nullification-bill-passes-michigan-house-107-0-2471022.html
_http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/11/texas-ndaa-nullification-bill-includes-criminal-charges-for-federal-agents-2504826.html
and Tennessee was pointed out in this thread http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,27002.msg327471.html#msg327471

And two maps to consider:
At risk nuclear sites: _http://1bog.org/blog/infographic-where-is-americas-fukushima/
Fluoridation levels by county: _http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/statistics/county_status_map.htm
Though the latter is a CDC website, not sure how correct that info is and it's from 2006, fwiw.

My understanding is no matter in what order things happen, we should try and stay alive as long as we can and help as many people as we can who ask. And they will ask.

 

[anka]

I fear fascism more than comets.

However, since I am living in the country where some of the worst of the cataclysmic events are likely to manifest, it could be that relocating would also help me escape some catacysmic events; to stay alive longer to help anchor the frequency...if, of course, I am Able.

If I had the 'means' to relocate, I probably would. Yet, I also wonder if I should stay here in 'the belly of the beast'...since many here will need help in the days to come. Perhaps there is something important for me to do here.

I have more questions than answers. The only things I feel sure about are that, ultimately, it's the soul that matters, not the body, and I have a lot of Work to do.

This is very much how i feel about it. The cataclysmic events are unescapable issue but i have still not finished so many important things back at home and that is why i am not thinking of going anywhere else because even if my country was one of those under immediate heavenly/earthly threats i want to make sure that i have done everything i could to find out who i have been making friends with, which relations were really worthwhile and what was really important - i am only beginning to see these things recently, in last 3,4,5 years at best and find really important having that done. If i knew and could evaluate all that, i would be ok to die in a natural catastrophe.

A regime oppression is a different story, of course. I could not stay in the US or even go there for a visit these days but at the same time i fully understand people who are at home there and are ready to take action right where they are. We can't run away from ourselves, can we?
Such thing as change of location can, to me, come only through a change making the place where we live very uninhabitable, through a system oppression or drastic environmental conditions (manmade or natural). In all other cases i need to be where i came from and continue the process i have started.

Comments of the others here are inspiring, thank you all for them* :)

 

[supriyanoel]

It is obvious to me now that caring for my soul and able to intuit direction can't possibly happen in any realistic degree unless the diet is changed. It isn't negotiable to me as I have experienced both realms. It really doesn't matter where I am if I'm unable to see OR hear, much less interpret and activate this balance that allows me to be on the path of wakefulness. That being said, one of the things I'm grateful and was not aware of, was the allowance of European countries allowing entrance for a fee of purchasing real estate. I was clueless to this, and whether I choose it or not it's good to know, as my house in N.Y. is being sold. My family and I took care of each other, and they are no longer alive. I am free to leave a place and have experienced the death process. I am saddened and have been preparing for a long time, sometimes very uncomfortably. That what major detachment feels like. Which is why when being uprooted from a place so familiar, what goes into the vessel physically for me is crucial. The location is my Internal locator, that I respond to the better my balance is. Otherwise the thinking is unclear and resistance painful. Not to say my thinking is so clear. It takes time and diligence and constant attention. The diet and the food for thought I've gotten here is priceless. I was directed by another member, Mrs. Peel, who I thank for reminding me selflessly to come to these threads. So South Florida, Carolinas, Costa Rica, or Scotland or Spain. I'd like this vessel to be more at ease in the months to come, and it can be with a little more perseverance.

 

[Nienna]

So South Florida, Carolinas, Costa Rica, or Scotland or Spain. I'd like this vessel to be more at ease in the months to come, and it can be with a little more perseverance.

Uhm, why would you want to go to Scotland if things are pointing to an ice age coming? I'd keep it in the southern climes, as your other choices are.

 

[MikaelYosef]

Uhm, why would you want to go to Scotland if things are pointing to an ice age coming? I'd keep it in the southern climes, as your other choices are.

The vegetation and climate may have been different when the Romans first went to Scotland 'back in the day'. But having been to Scotland recently as an outsider and seeing how the clans used to live during the Dark and Middle ages, a question I kept asking went unanswered. Even without the fighting, why wouldn't they just have packed up, called it a day, and gone back to Italy or at least somewhere else further south on the Continent, where the days were lighter, the climate was warmer, and generally it was more comfortable to live?

I assume ego, family pride, power, etc - but sheesh, it's cold enough there in the summer in the current 'warming' period we're in. The future may now provide them with few other choices.

 

[Mal7]

Humans are adaptable to different climates. A cold climate in itself is not a problem. The entire land area being under a hundred feet of glacial ice would be a problem though, unless you are planning to live near the coast and live like an Inuit.

Many people who are acclimatized to live in a cold climate would find a warm climate like Italy's uncomfortable, until they have acclimatized to it.

 

[light worker]

Hello!

I am aware of potential problems which can "kick us" in future like comet bombardment, ice age, drought, change of climate etc. I started to gathernig elementary equipment for new possible situation, but I'm aware too that I can't be sure what of this possible things will happen in my region. Maybe all, maybe non of them. For me is important that I will have some equipment ready for first aid, and that my family will have more chance to fight with who nows what.

Have a nice day!

Light worker

 

[loreta]

We are thinking on moving in December this year. We live so isolated, spiritually and physically, and after the death of my dog it seems to me that I have a more clear vision of this village where I live. We had the intention to go to Canada because we are from there but money is a problem. So we decided to go instead to Palmas de Gran Canarias. I know a woman there that will help me to find an apartment or a house, and will help in others aspects also. We will go there with our car, one dog, two cats, a bird. The temperature over there is perfect for my husband, that have MS. And there is, I am certain, more possibilities to find a job. It is very difficult to move, always. But I am particularly tired to feel alone here, with nobody like me and since the death of Laika I hear things that I don't like, I start to see people as they are, limited and ignorant. Usually I accept people as they are but I don't want to continue to live near them. I need to see people like me.

The problem here also is that there is absolutely no job around.

So my move is for various reasons. I think that when it is enough it is enough. Basta! Change is good, and for me this move is a sort of adventure. I have to get rid of about 900 books. This move permits me to think and analyse this addiction to books. Yesterday I read somewhere that the cause of an addiction can be a problem with melatonin. Surely I can see it was a problem with me. So this move is also a liberation of weight, symbolically and not so.

Spain is a bad country, by the way. Some regions are better than others, I am sure that the Canaries Isles are interesting. Maybe I am wrong! But if something terrible arrive I don't want to be in this village.

 

[Graalsword]

Spain is a bad country, by the way. Some regions are better than others, I am sure that the Canaries Isles are interesting. Maybe I am wrong! But if something terrible arrive I don't want to be in this village.

Probably the problem of living currently in isles is the increasing geological changes, that turn coastal areas and islands more unstable than inland continental areas. Isn't there also an active volcano?

http://www.sott.net/article/236224-Volcanic-Red-Alert-Issued-As-Residents-Are-Evacuated-From-El-Hierro-Town

http://www.sott.net/article/236779-Underwater-Eruptions-Could-Create-New-Island-in-the-Canaries

 

[Mal7]

I have to get rid of about 900 books. This move permits me to think and analyse this addiction to books. Yesterday I read somewhere that the cause of an addiction can be a problem with melatonin. Surely I can see it was a problem with me. So this move is also a liberation of weight, symbolically and not so.

I wouldn't be too worried about an addiction to books. This can be a good thing. There are many reasons for having books.

One good fairly recent book on the subject is:

A Gentle Madness: Bibliophiles, Bibliomanes, and the Eternal Passion for Books by Nicholas A. Basbanes (1995).

As an analogy, you could think of all your books as being like an external hard drive to the computer of your own internal brain. You can defrag the external hard drive by shuffling your books around on the shelves, putting related books together on the same shelf. You could move into the trash or recycle bin books that you no longer think it is necessary for you to keep. (I use "trash" metaphorically, there are usually better places to dispose of books without literally trashing them.)

Sometimes we keep books because they were meaningful to us, and even though we do not read them again, their physical presence is still a kind of symbolic reminder to us of the value we see in those books.

Other times we keep books because we might want to read them in the future, but until we actually do spend some time reading or skimming through them, we are not sure yet whether it is a book we really want or need to keep.

The bibliophile is the master of his books, the bibliomaniac is their slave.

- Hanns Bohatta, quoted in Nicholas Basbanes' A Gentle Madness

 

[loreta]

I have to get rid of about 900 books. This move permits me to think and analyse this addiction to books. Yesterday I read somewhere that the cause of an addiction can be a problem with melatonin. Surely I can see it was a problem with me. So this move is also a liberation of weight, symbolically and not so.

I wouldn't be too worried about an addiction to books. This can be a good thing. There are many reasons for having books.

One good fairly recent book on the subject is:

A Gentle Madness: Bibliophiles, Bibliomanes, and the Eternal Passion for Books by Nicholas A. Basbanes (1995).

As an analogy, you could think of all your books as being like an external hard drive to the computer of your own internal brain. You can defrag the external hard drive by shuffling your books around on the shelves, putting related books together on the same shelf. You could move into the trash or recycle bin books that you no longer think it is necessary for you to keep. (I use "trash" metaphorically, there are usually better places to dispose of books without literally trashing them.)

Sometimes we keep books because they were meaningful to us, and even though we do not read them again, their physical presence is still a kind of symbolic reminder to us of the value we see in those books.

Other times we keep books because we might want to read them in the future, but until we actually do spend some time reading or skimming through them, we are not sure yet whether it is a book we really want or need to keep.

The bibliophile is the master of his books, the bibliomaniac is their slave.

- Hanns Bohatta, quoted in Nicholas Basbanes' A Gentle Madness

I think there is no a safe place in this planet. Even the C's said that. So here, there, the situation is bad. Concerning the volcanoes, yes, there is the isle of Hierro but sometimes ecological danger is less scary than some humans.

Concerning the books... I love my books but when you move they are a nuisance specially if you have to cut things related to money. If I had a house and was bound somewhere... but it is not my situation. I will keep some books, maybe 400. Others books I found to put in my adorable Kindle. I remember my father who did the same thing when he move from France, he was forced to leave his books. So I am repeating a "pattern" in many senses. Moving, changing location is not as simple than that. When you start to move when young it is difficult to feel part of somewhere. And now this terrible economical situation.

Thanks for the reference of the articles and of the book about books. I found this book in kindle. I will read it for sure. Books are part of me, you always see me with a book, always. They save my life and they will save my life till the end of it. Books and dogs are my best friends. I always say: if I have to go to an isle I will bring with me some books and my dogs. What an irony!

I am not afraid to move. I think if you have to change location, do it. I changed my diet a year ago, this was the beginning of something so huge, so extraordinary with mysterious consequences. One of them is to be able to see things with more clarity. The death of my dog also opened my eyes, gave me the courage to decide that the moment to move is there, now, very soon.

 

[Mal7]

Hi Loretta,

I don't want to go too far off track for too long in relation to the thread title of "Location, location, location", but here are a few more quotes about books you might like, from Holbrook Jackson's book The Anatomy of Bibliomania (1930):

Books are:

for company, the best Friends; in doubts Counsellors; in Damps Comforters; Time's Prospective, the home Traveller's Ship, or Horse, the busie man's best Recreation, the Opiate of Idle Weariness, the Mindes best Ordinary, Nature's Garden and Seed-plot of Immortality.

- Richard Whitlock, Zootomia (1654)

Nay, they do preserve in a vial the purest efficacy and extraction of that living intellect which bred them.

- Milton, Areopagitica (1644)

Of all the inanimate objects, of all men's creations, books are the nearest to us, for they contain our very thought, our ambitions, our indignations, our illusions, our fidelity to truth, and our persisent leaning towards error. But most of all they resemble us in their precarious hold on life.

- Joseh Conrad, Notes on Life and Letters (1925)

for without books God is silent, justice dormant, natural science at a stand, philosophy lame, letters dumb, and all things involved in Cimmerian darkness.

- Thomas Bartholin, Dissertations (1672)

Ye are the tree of life and the fourfold river of Paradise, by which the human mind is nourished, and the thirsty intellect is watered and refreshed. Ye are the ark of Noah and the ladder of Jacob, and the troughs by which the young of those who look therein are coloured; Ye are the stones of testimony and the pitchers holding the lamps of Gideon, the scrip of David, from which the smoothest stones are taken for the slaying of Goliath. Ye are the golden vessels of the temple, the arms of the Soldiers of the Church with which to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked, fruitful olives, vines of Engadi, fig-trees that are never barren, burning lamps always to be held in readiness.

- Richard de Bury, Philobiblon (1473)

[books] nourish youth; delight old age; adorn prosperity; afford a refuge and a solace in adversity; forming our delights at home; anything but hindrances abroad; they are our nightly associates; our indoor and out-of-door companions.

- Cicero, Pro Archia

While you converse with lords and dukes,
I have their betters here - my books.

- Thomas Sheridan

I call myself a solitary, but sometimes I think I misapply the term. No man sees more company than I do. I travel with mightier cohorts around me than ever did Timour or Genghis Kahn on their fiery marches.

- Alexander Smith, Dreamthorp (1864)

A good book is a friend; the best of friends,
That cannot be estranged or take offence
Howe'er neglected, but returns at will
With the old friendship.

- W. J. Linton, Book-Song

Emerson lived among his books and was never comfortable away from them, yet, they did not much enter into his life; they were pleasant companions, but not counsellors [. . .]

- Cabot, Memoir of Emerson

In conversing with Books we may not only choose our company but disengage without Ceremony or Exception, and further, we are free from the Formalities of Custom and Respect, we need not undergo the Penance of a dull Story from a Fop of Figure; but may shake off the Haughty, the Impertinent, and the Vain, at Pleasure. Besides all this, Authors, like Women, commonly Dress when they make a visit. They polish up their thoughts and exert the Force of their Understandings our of Respect to themselves, far more than they would in ordinary Conversation, thus giving the reader the Spirit and Essence in a narrow Compass, which was drawn off from a much larger Proportion of Time, Labour, and Expense.

- Jeremy Collier, Essays

 

[Mal7]

Birds and mammals survived, de Laubenfels ingeniously suggested, because they can live in snow-covered high latitudes. Thus, 'Even boiling hot air, blowing over miles of snow, would cool down to a breathable degree.' [. . .] for an equatorial collision cooling is likely to be more rapid with increasing latitude than longitude. One can thus conceive of an impact large enough to destroy most life in equatorial and temperate zones, while preserving life at the antipodes or polar regions.

Clube and Napier, The Cosmic Serpent, page 111, discussing historically infrequent (every 100 million years or so) large impacts causing mass extinction events, such as at the end of the Cretaceous period.