Mehran Keshe and Keshe Foundation Game Changer or Scam?

[Richs]

Thank you all for your thoughts and observations. Perhaps I am more emotionally invested than I was aware. I have still not come to a definitive conclusion as to whether this is valid or a scam, but will continue to observe and share whatever is occurring with this Keshe stuff.

Why bother? Why not just let it go? The fact of the matter, which is born out by direct observations of this guy and his "units", and the historical, political and spiritual context of the idea of 'free energy', strongly argues for this amounting to nothing. There is no free lunch in the universe. At this level, we are not entitled to "free energy" because we, as a species, do no have the maturity to handle it and, in addition and directly linked to that lack of maturity, our world is governed by people who exploit everyone and everything for their energy. In short, the "rules" of the game here do not allow for "free energy" for everyone. The closest you can get to free energy down here is dependent on how many slaves you can acquire to do your work for you. In the recent session, there was reference to illusions and delusions, and the effect they have on the human brain. Maybe you would be wise to think about it?

Joe, you should be more aware than most that we are merely students here, and not the architects, and that we do not design the curriculum. So, for any of us to think we know what the Universe will do is not necessarily what will come about. We are in the midst of the Wave, things are chaotic and fluid, and none of us knows what will happen around us next.

I am quite familiar with the way the C's describe "delusion" and "illusion", and guard against these things as much as anyone here on Earth can, considering the barrage of 'crap' we are all subjected to. I quite understand your, and everyone else's, concern about my mental health and possible decent into irrationality, but suggesting I stop an investigation into a subject I have an interest in, such as the way Laura has a great interest in history, is not necessary. I can assure you I have not gone over to the 'dark side', or totally lost my rationality.

I presented a video on this thread a few days ago which I will repost here again so you don't have to search for it after you read what I have to say below and want to look it over again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6h1V6WPAHQ&feature=youtu.be

This should have been adequate proof for anyone who understands electrical circuitry. The response was that the ground wire was supplying the electricty. No, it was just a ground. Homes, and every electrical circuit require a ground to work properly. Electrical circuits require a way to get into a device to be powered and a way to leave. This is the reason they are called 'circuits'. If someone doesn't think this is true, try cutting off one of the prongs on a lamp cord, plug it in and see if it works. The grounding is also necessary for safety reasons. If an energized wire were to come into contact with any metal of an appliance it is now the same as a 'live wire' and can shock and kill someone. Hence, grounding.

Even IF the wire seen coming from the ground were an energized wire, it could not possibly run the equipment shown on the board in the video because there is no 'return path' for electricity since there is only one wire coming from any place outside the board. A live wire could certainly energize one side of the equipment with 115 Volts at 50-60 cycles per second, but as the electricity has no return path it would not do anything at all to power any equipment. This means that it is absolutely certain that any power generation is coming from within the borders of the wooden platform.

Additionally, what is not seemingly noticed is that the power strip, which is normally rated for 15 amps of continuous load (about 1,550 Watts) needed to have it's circuit breaker clamped to prevent it from tripping with the huge overload of 4,000 continuous Watts. The breaker is there to keep the wires from overheating which is what would normally happen with such a load. Yet, it is only slightly warm.

Even more amazing was that one of the two main load carrying wires was a mere 20 gauge stranded wire which is only rated for about 750 Watts. This should have melted in a few seconds, if not simply 'exploded' with such a massive load. Yet, this wire was also only 'warm' for the most part, except for the small copper piece which had recently been spliced into it to show how normal copper wire which had not yet been 'nano-coated' would behave. That is why there was a burn mark in the board beneath this piece.

This type of thing can not be explained with the science we are currently aware of. We also know that our present science, like everything else, has been totally controlled so that we don;s stray into territory which might actually lead somewhere.

Remember that it took a full 2 years before the 'learned professors' would accept that the Wright brothers actually had a flying machine even though they had seen movies of the flyer in flight.

I look at it this way: If what is impossible is eliminated, what remains must be the truth. (Sherlock Holmes, of course).

 

[Divide by Zero]

Hey Richard,

I once saw a video of a perpetual motion machine running a small generator which ran incandescent bulbs of many watts!

Later on someone exposed the video, frame by frame, showing that BELOW the device, there was another piece of metal. That is magic, and magic usually involves some sort of trick if it depends on a controlled demonstration. Videos ARE included, because we are not there to check it.

This video is not scientific and in fact, I don't even know how he wired it up from how much he zooms in I cannot see the big picture.

Who cares if he needed to jumper the power strip or not. It's not proving that the generator really works or not. In magic, they call that a distraction or a story.

Another thing that bugs me about free energy, it's constantly used to promote distractions and stories that don't pan out.

There is also this mythology created after Tesla, of free energy. He was NOT shut down because he was making free energy. He was shut down because his wireless TRANSMISSION of energy would have killed Carnegie and Westinghouse copper wire business!

BTW, it requires frequency (AC) to transmit/receive wirelessly, NOT the DC atmosphere which releases energy as lightning. The whole mythology about Tesla harnessing the sky has no basis in anything he actually wrote or said. In fact, we have to wonder why a useful idea such as wireless transmission (saving a lot of heat loss due to resistance of wire) became superseded by some "free energy" idea, which so far has not been reproduced?

 

[Mikey]

This should have been adequate proof for anyone who understands electrical circuitry.

No, it's adequate proof for all who don't understand electrical circuitry. This doesn't even come close to an adequate proof. It's a mess of wires and there are a number of opportunities to trick the audience. In addition, the video has been cut at times 2:30, 6:41, 7:12 and 8:31.

The response was that the ground wire was supplying the electricty. No, it was just a ground.

How did you verify this?

He touches the copper coil at 10:20 with his fingers while the lamps are still on, suggesting that this part of the circuit is a grounded return path. Then, he seems to be wary of stepping or kneeling on the "ground wire" at 2:34 and 10:48, and even remarks on that with a nervous laughter. At 10:48 he exhibits a Freudian slip and says that one "would get a shock" when touching the "Ground wire". This suggests that the so-called "Ground wire" is actually the live wire. He never explains the necessity of the wire into the back of the fridge. The fridge 'conveniently' leans over the edge of the platform and there is a board next to it on the ground, which easily can hide the actual grounding.

Homes, and every electrical circuit require a ground to work properly.

Not true. A ground is not at all required for electrical circuits to work properly. It is interesting that he's insisting so strongly for a Ground when he could easily run everything without one. That's the key deception.

Electrical circuits require a way to get into a device to be powered and a way to leave. This is the reason they are called 'circuits'. If someone doesn't think this is true, try cutting off one of the prongs on a lamp cord, plug it in and see if it works.

True, but this is irrelevant for the point in question, i.e. the used "ground wire".

Even IF the wire seen coming from the ground were an energized wire, it could not possibly run the equipment shown on the board in the video because there is no 'return path' for electricity since there is only one wire coming from any place outside the board. A live wire could certainly energize one side of the equipment with 115 Volts at 50-60 cycles per second, but as the electricity has no return path it would not do anything at all to power any equipment. This means that it is absolutely certain that any power generation is coming from within the borders of the wooden platform.

It is not absolutely certain. What purpose does the unexplained wire from the Magrav unit into the back of the fridge have? The fridge 'conveniently' leans over the edge of the platform and there is a board next to it on the ground, which easily can hide the actual grounding. Also, what about the wire visible behind the white garbage can?

Additionally, what is not seemingly noticed is that the power strip, which is normally rated for 15 amps of continuous load (about 1,550 Watts) needed to have it's circuit breaker clamped to prevent it from tripping with the huge overload of 4,000 continuous Watts. The breaker is there to keep the wires from overheating which is what would normally happen with such a load. Yet, it is only slightly warm.

Irrelevant to the functioning of the setup.

Even more amazing was that one of the two main load carrying wires was a mere 20 gauge stranded wire which is only rated for about 750 Watts. This should have melted in a few seconds, if not simply 'exploded' with such a massive load.

Wrong claim. Just make a simple calculation. With 4kW at 120V you get 33A. 20 gauge wire has 33.292 Ohm/km resistance, or 0.0033292 Ohm per 10 cm. Which gives you the power dissipated in heat for a 10 cm wire: P = R * I² = 0.0033292 * 33² = 3.6 W. That will make a straight wire only warm, which matches the observation.

except for the small copper piece which had recently been spliced into it to show how normal copper wire which had not yet been 'nano-coated' would behave. That is why there was a burn mark in the board beneath this piece.

This piece of copper glowed only because it is made from a thinner wire (see time index 8:25 for a close-up shot), and is coiled up, which contributes to self-heating. Nothing unusual.

I look at it this way: If what is impossible is eliminated, what remains must be the truth. (Sherlock Holmes, of course).

True, but it is not impossible that there was one hidden wire in this setup, or other tricks. The glowing copper is proof that the circuit is closed via the unexplained wire into the back of the fridge, which must go somewhere to close the circuit. There are 33 Amps in this unexplained wire.

Also, this guy is not just anybody. He's the one that made the presentation next to Keshe, giving excuses why he couldn't demonstrate the unit, and ignoring the question how it could produce any energy, while Keshe himself said that it is not supposed to produce any energy.

You want to believe, do you?

Please, make your own device (but don't electrocute yourself! What this guy is doing is DANGEROUS stuff) and then make a video that provides adequate proof.

 

[monotonic]

I agree with all of Data's observations. At first I thought it may just be a new provocative clothing style from France, but the Emperor just seems to keep getting more naked...

PS, Also agree on safety, what happens if some kid just absolutely has to catch a football in the middle of your 120V demo? Is it safe because it's Magrav energy?

 

[Mikey]

BTW, it requires frequency (AC) to transmit/receive wirelessly, NOT the DC atmosphere which releases energy as lightning. The whole mythology about Tesla harnessing the sky has no basis in anything he actually wrote or said. In fact, we have to wonder why a useful idea such as wireless transmission (saving a lot of heat loss due to resistance of wire) became superseded by some "free energy" idea, which so far has not been reproduced?

Very true, mythicization it is a common phenomenon, especially when people don't have the capacity to understand. Laura explores this psychic phenomenon in Secret History:

Going further still, Mircea Eliade clarifies for us the process of the "mythicization" of historical personages. Eliade describes how a Romanian folklorist recorded a ballad describing the death of a young man bewitched by a jealous mountain fairy on the eve of his marriage. The young man, under the influence of the fairy, was driven off a cliff. The ballad of lament, sung by the fiancée, was filled with "mythological allusions, a liturgical text of rustic beauty."

The folklorist, having been told that the song concerned a tragedy of "long ago", discovered that the fiancée was still alive and went to interview her. To his surprise, he learned that the young man's death had occurred less than 40 years before. He had slipped and fallen off a cliff; in reality, there was no mountain fairy involved.

Eliade notes that "despite the presence of the principal witness, a few years had sufficed to strip the event of all historical authenticity, to transform it into a legendary tale". Even though the tragedy had happened to one of their contemporaries, the death of a young man soon to be married "had an occult meaning that could only be revealed by its identification with the category of myth."

The myth seemed truer, more pure, than the prosaic event, because "it made the real story yield a deeper and richer meaning, revealing a tragic destiny".

In the same way, a Yugoslavian epic poem celebrating a heroic figure of the fourteenth century, Marko Kraljevic, abolishes his historic identity, his life story is "reconstructed in accordance with the norms of myth". His mother is a Vila, a fairy, as is his wife. He fights a three-headed dragon and kills it, fights with his brother and kills him, all in conformity with classical mythic themes.

The historic character of the persons celebrated in epic poetry is not in question, Eliade notes. "But their historicity does not long resist the corrosive action of mythicization." A historic event, despite its importance, doesn't remain in the popular memory intact.

"Myth is the last -- not the first -- stage in the development of a hero." The memory of a real event survives perhaps three centuries at best, as the historic figure is assimilated to his mythical model and the event itself is blurred into a category of mythical actions.

"This reduction of events to categories and of individuals to archetypes, carried out by the consciousness of the popular strata in Europe almost down to our day, is performed in conformity with archaic ontology", Eliade writes. "We have the right to ask ourselves if the importance of archetypes for the consciousness of archaic man, and the inability of popular memory to retain anything but archetypes, does not reveal to us something more than a resistance to history exhibited by traditional spirituality?"

This mythicization of historical personages appears in exactly the same way in all times and cultures. As it says in the Book of Ecclesiastes, "There is nothing new under the sun". Historical events are "assimilated" to the mythical archetype, and things that were never done by the hero are often assigned to him. Events, places and other characteristics of the "larger and deeper" context are also "attached".

What this suggests is that mythicization of historical persons takes place in accordance with some "exemplary standard". This is why all of the mythical heroes resemble one another in so many respects. It's not that each and every one of them did the same things; it is that somebody did something -- at least one thing -- that was heroic and therefore belonged to the exemplar. By so doing, they were "assimilated" to the archetype. We are not suggesting that the real heroes or historical characters did not exist or that they did nothing heroic. That is not in question. What seems to be evident is that their real, historical nature -- what they *really* did -- cannot resist the "corrosive action of mythicization".

The same mythicization happened with Saint Germain, who may have been a scam himself. But naive people just could not resist believing him, and he was using it to his own advantage. It seems this same mythicization already happens with Keshe. He already has attracted a spiritual movement in many countries.

But this mythicization also happend with a real scientist, Jules Violle aka Fulcanelli, who did his experiments with liquid metal (platinum). At that time, uneducated people were probably totally fascinated with his impressive laboratory setups, and added all kinds of magical and alchemical assumptions into what he did, which was in actuality nothing more than sound science.

Now we can better understand why 'Alchemists' chose to mislead the public about what they actually did. They understood that very, very few people would be able to understand. The rest would just distort everything into complete obscurity.

 

[Nicholas]

Plus you can see in the video at 5:00 and 10:48 what looks to be an electric conduit on the left side of the patio coming from the wall down into the ground. His "ground" is hooked up to neutral in his circuit. In the US, ground and neutral are tied together at the breaker box servicing the home. Plus he 'magically' has 120vac showing on his meter which is the standard amount of electricity. Very suspicious.

 

[Laura]

I think I should mention that both Data and Mr. Scott are electrical engineers with advanced degrees. I have personal experience of their knowledge and capabilities in respect of electricity and gadgets. Pierre is also an engineer with advanced degrees, though not in electricity. Ark is a physicist. If you don't want to believe them, to insist that this shady video and scam tactics are real, be my guest, but do it on your own nickel.

 

[Richs]

I think I should mention that both Data and Mr. Scott are electrical engineers with advanced degrees. I have personal experience of their knowledge and capabilities in respect of electricity and gadgets. Pierre is also an engineer with advanced degrees, though not in electricity. Ark is a physicist. If you don't want to believe them, to insist that this shady video and scam tactics are real, be my guest, but do it on your own nickel.

Thanks Laura,
There is no doubt lots of this looks very flaky. I myself keep questioning if this is for real or just a fake.
I have never just totally believed it was all true but that it might be 'possible'. If it were possible for something like this to come along it would change a lot of things and we would all definitely like to see such a thing.

I'll continue to keep an eye on this occasionally on the off chance that something tangible might develop. Other than that, it appears it might just be a scam of some sort as most here have said. I don't know why anyone would go to such elaborate lengths to produce such a scam, but who knows what goes on with people these days?

Otherwise, I'm pretty much off this topic.

 

[Laura]

There is no doubt lots of this looks very flaky. I myself keep questioning if this is for real or just a fake.
I have never just totally believed it was all true but that it might be 'possible'. If it were possible for something like this to come along it would change a lot of things and we would all definitely like to see such a thing.

I'll continue to keep an eye on this occasionally on the off chance that something tangible might develop. Other than that, it appears it might just be a scam of some sort as most here have said. I don't know why anyone would go to such elaborate lengths to produce such a scam, but who knows what goes on with people these days?

Otherwise, I'm pretty much off this topic.

Perhaps you should re-read carefully the 11 January 1997 session?

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,25731.msg306206.html

 

[Cosmos]

I think I should mention that both Data and Mr. Scott are electrical engineers with advanced degrees. I have personal experience of their knowledge and capabilities in respect of electricity and gadgets. Pierre is also an engineer with advanced degrees, though not in electricity. Ark is a physicist. If you don't want to believe them, to insist that this shady video and scam tactics are real, be my guest, but do it on your own nickel.

Thanks Laura,
There is no doubt lots of this looks very flaky. I myself keep questioning if this is for real or just a fake.
I have never just totally believed it was all true but that it might be 'possible'. If it were possible for something like this to come along it would change a lot of things and we would all definitely like to see such a thing.

I'll continue to keep an eye on this occasionally on the off chance that something tangible might develop. Other than that, it appears it might just be a scam of some sort as most here have said. I don't know why anyone would go to such elaborate lengths to produce such a scam, but who knows what goes on with people these days?

Otherwise, I'm pretty much off this topic.

Looking at this whole thread from the beginning, I noticed that you first posted about that stuff here on the forum on 19 May 2015 and said at that point that you had followed it for a while now.

It was good that you brought it up back then, since the network gave you pretty much the same answers as they did now, which was quite a valuable feedback I think. Over 1 year later you initiated the same discussion, basically making it clear that you are still invested in it, although you got pretty clear feedback back then.

To a certain extend I can understand, that stuff like this can easily make people obsess over it, since I had also episodes in the past where I researched that "free energy" stuff. In retrospect I find it pretty staggering how much time and energy can be invested in it.

In short: most, if not all of that stuff, seems to be designed to vector people into obsessions and forget about other stuff that really matters. It can become like a drug and it needs effort and discipline to get over it. Been there, done that...

The time and energy that you have invested there, could have been used in a much more productive way, like helping with projects that are FOTCM related and such. So the question of energy and time management should always be considered in regards to our aims, when we notice that we engage in something that demands a lot of valuable energy. That can be a sign that we need to have a closer look on what really drives us there.

We all make mistakes, so don't worry about it to much. We all have been there on a number of occasions. ;)

 

[Timótheos]

To a certain extend I can understand, that stuff like this can easily make people obsess over it, since I had also episodes in the past where I researched that "free energy" stuff. In retrospect I find it pretty staggering how much time and energy can be invested in it.

I'm not sure if you intended it as such, but I had a good laugh at the irony of this remark! :D

 

[luc]

If it were possible for something like this to come along it would change a lot of things and we would all definitely like to see such a thing.

No, it wouldn't change anything fundamental; it would merely change the details of the global horror show that is the full-blown pathocracy we are living in. If anything, it would make things worse. Technological change is meaningless without spiritual change, IMO.

I'll continue to keep an eye on this occasionally on the off chance that something tangible might develop.

Of course it's up to you, but I think it might be a good exercise to stay away completely from these topics for a while to gain some distance.

I don't know why anyone would go to such elaborate lengths to produce such a scam, but who knows what goes on with people these days?

Greed, the pathological drive to hold power over people (his followers), grandiosity, a wrong use of sexual energy... I think Political Ponerology, Character disturbance and ISOTM could provide clues.

 

[Richs]

Late yesterday I took a quick look at the Keshe Foundation Facebook site and this immediately popped up:
VT Exclusive: Largest Pedophile Ring in History, 70,000 Members, Heads of State, the Rats Scramble
By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor on August 24, 2016

VT and Keshe take the lead in breaking the most insidious human trafficking gang on the planet

To verify the story I googled it and up came a few. From Fox News:
_http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/16/dutch-based-international-pedophile-ring-busted.html

NBC News:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/42108748/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.V8EwTClriy8

So, it appears factual that a massive criminal ring has been busted. I don't know if what Gordon Duff says is true in total or in part. Since the article is very long I will only post part of it and will provide the link to it again where I stop the article.

_http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/24/vt-exclusive-largest-pedophile-ring-in-history-70000-members-heads-of-state-the-rats-scramble/

Millions read the news today, the pedophile ring “busted” or the earlier article about how the FBI actually ran it for several weeks, expanding it, drawing in tens of thousands. Those who read it thought they knew, thought they were getting the story but as is so often the case, the truth goes so much further.

When Veterans Today tied the murder of Supreme Court Justice Anthony Scalia to a White House blackmail plot and a strange tale involving the Keshe Foundation, it became clear that the highest and most powerful in Europe, the US and around the world, were tied together in a web of ritual child abuse on a massive scale. For the Scalia tale, refer to Appendix I.

Today’s story is one more aspect of this. VT’s involvement goes back to 1991 when key VT staffers worked for America’s intelligence community. A GOP high level staffer approached the CIA claiming that President George H.W. Bush was being blackmailed. It was said that the President was at a political fundraiser in St. Louis where, unknown to the President, top GOP campaign donors were having sex with young males, some of whom had been spirited away from Boys Town in Nebraska of Father Flanagan fame.

The rumors became more than rumors when Bush 43 took office and brought with him, according to a high level White House informant, a virtual army of Neocon pedophiles and “nancyboys” who set the tone for 8 years of crushed civil liberties. staged economic crashes and the dirtiest wars in America’s history.

The door didn’t open again until Iranian physicist, Mehran T. Keshe came to us with his own story. Invited to Belgium, sponsored by the Royal Family, Keshe was introduced to internet guru Sterling Allen and Belgian “fixer,” Dirk Lauressens. Within a short time, it became clear that he was there as a prisoner, not a guest, having fallen into a web of pedophiles that control public life in Belgium and the Netherlands, control corporations, courts, the police and do so rather publicly.

With Keshe’s story, we traced Sterling Allen, through his work with Belgium’s Royal Family, to his questioning by the FBI, to the seizure of his computers and eventually to his real task in life, webmaster for a massive pedophile ring that supplied children for the members of secret societies that control our daily lives through suppression of technology and the waging of endless war.

From NBC News:

Massive pedophile ring busted; 230 kids saved – US news – Crime & courts | NBC News
An Internet pedophile ring with up to 70,000 members — thought to be the world’s largest —has been uncovered by police, a security official said Wednesday.
The European police agency Europol said in a statement that “Operation Rescue” had identified 670 suspects and that 230 abused children in 30 countries had been taken to safety. More children are expected to be found, Europol said.
A pedophile ring, 70,000 strong, has been identified and hundreds arrested, an organization run on the internet, centered in the Free Energy Community, including websites run out of Paris, the Netherlands and Belgium.

What isn’t being told is that this same organization, also known as the Red Circle, runs through secret societies around the world:

Bilderberg
St. Hubertus
Federalist Society
Knights of Malta (Rome, not KMFAP in Budapest)
Council on Foreign Relations
Federal Reserve Bank
NATO
Royal Families of Belgium and Netherlands
SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United States)
So much of this story revolves around Mehran T. Keshe, whose plasma related defense technologies, threaten the military balance of power, disabling American stealth drones and even leaving an AEGIS destroyer floating, dead in the water, in the Black Sea.

To continue reading: _http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/24/vt-exclusive-largest-pedophile-ring-in-history-70000-members-heads-of-state-the-rats-scramble/

 

[Palinurus]

To verify the story I googled it and up came a few. From Fox News:
_http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/16/dutch-based-international-pedophile-ring-busted.html

Hey Richard S,

Please notice that the date in the above hyper link is from March 16, 2011 which is also the date of the article published there.

I'm not acquainted with redactional policies of VT, or of Gordon Duff, so I'm at a loss why they would sensationalize this old news now, since I didn't detect any new information at first glance.

Moreover, some of the links provided therein are already dead.

Just saying... FWIW.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

To verify the story I googled it and up came a few. From Fox News:
_http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/16/dutch-based-international-pedophile-ring-busted.html

Hey Richard S,

Please notice that the date in the above hyper link is from March 16, 2011 which is also the date of the article published there.

I'm not acquainted with redactional policies of VT, or of Gordon Duff, so I'm at a loss why they would sensationalize this old news now, since I didn't detect any new information at first glance.

Moreover, some of the links provided therein are already dead.

Just saying... FWIW.

Anything Duff writes should be taken with a megadose of salt. Seems to me that he just makes stuff up, cites "anonymous" sources, and hopes people buy it.