Mehran Keshe and Keshe Foundation Game Changer or Scam?
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Divide by Zero
The Living Force
RichardS, any updates on why it has been delayed??
Divide by Zero
The Living Force
Thanks jsf for the video link.
I think a good sign of an inventor that is either deluded or scamming is when they spend a lot of time explaining how it works, but not showing it actually working on the simplest level.
It's the duty of the person making the claims to show proof of concept... not for the doubters to prove it. Remember, this is different than a conspiracy like 9-11, where that in itself is based on an event that cannot be fully tested again. In that case, there is no absolute proof on what really happened- and then yes, we have to follow the clues. But on a device that can be made/tested now, it shouldn't follow proof by logic- but proof by DOing.
Mr. Keshe, I don't need to know how it works, just show it working with a proper test. Richard told me that they tested it in some house, but I can't find the data to show that it works, just anectdotal "it works" which does not convince me.
They can plug it into a house and run a test.
First take a reading of the watt meter that serves the home.
Load Example: 3 devices, using a combined average use of let's say 5kw (5000watts).
Read what the house electrical meter registers and subtract that from initial reading for energy used over a period.
Now repeat the test without the device for the same period.
Read the meter afterwards and find the energy use.
IF it works, it should register less with the device connected than without.
Simple test and no mumbo jumbo complications to dismiss any objective testing- and no need to tell us the details on how it works.
I think a good sign of an inventor that is either deluded or scamming is when they spend a lot of time explaining how it works, but not showing it actually working on the simplest level.
It's the duty of the person making the claims to show proof of concept... not for the doubters to prove it. Remember, this is different than a conspiracy like 9-11, where that in itself is based on an event that cannot be fully tested again. In that case, there is no absolute proof on what really happened- and then yes, we have to follow the clues. But on a device that can be made/tested now, it shouldn't follow proof by logic- but proof by DOing.
Mr. Keshe, I don't need to know how it works, just show it working with a proper test. Richard told me that they tested it in some house, but I can't find the data to show that it works, just anectdotal "it works" which does not convince me.
They can plug it into a house and run a test.
First take a reading of the watt meter that serves the home.
Load Example: 3 devices, using a combined average use of let's say 5kw (5000watts).
Read what the house electrical meter registers and subtract that from initial reading for energy used over a period.
Now repeat the test without the device for the same period.
Read the meter afterwards and find the energy use.
IF it works, it should register less with the device connected than without.
Simple test and no mumbo jumbo complications to dismiss any objective testing- and no need to tell us the details on how it works.
Divide by Zero
The Living Force
Richard, I read through the 4 pages and I saw a few posts about the meter readings.
All is well with these people. I'm sure they aren't lying.
But the test is not scientific to compare 2 separate MONTHS. Should be as explained, to eliminate differences in load. Run test for X hours with Y load, take reading. Do the same shortly after with device, take reading.
You can't compare 2 months as proof because month to month, etc changes loads. One month you might be using more heat- more fans on, etc. Do you get why I don't see this as conclusive and just anecdotal?
I know first hand that meter readings can and do change wildly depending on what happens personally that month. If you eliminate that variability, then you can be sure that the device changed it, and nothing else.
A simple test is listed there. All he needs to do is run that test with observers and then logically, without difference in load changes, we can say, "YES IT WORKS!"
All is well with these people. I'm sure they aren't lying.
But the test is not scientific to compare 2 separate MONTHS. Should be as explained, to eliminate differences in load. Run test for X hours with Y load, take reading. Do the same shortly after with device, take reading.
You can't compare 2 months as proof because month to month, etc changes loads. One month you might be using more heat- more fans on, etc. Do you get why I don't see this as conclusive and just anecdotal?
I know first hand that meter readings can and do change wildly depending on what happens personally that month. If you eliminate that variability, then you can be sure that the device changed it, and nothing else.
A simple test is listed there. All he needs to do is run that test with observers and then logically, without difference in load changes, we can say, "YES IT WORKS!"
Richs
The Cosmic Force
Divide By Zero said:
Please be aware that the electric supply is only a small part of the technology being disseminated. If you have been to the testimonial page you will have noted that medical applications are a major part of all this. Applications in agriculture, motive power, water and food production, materials and even space flight are coming in the near future.
Medical trials are now underway which are being monitored by physicians at hospitals and clinics.
No, these people who have posted testimonials are not scientists in the common meaning of the word. It is certain that scientists of many governments have been testing these devices for quite some time now and understand well what is about to happen in all these fields. These Magrav devices have also been thoroughly tested by the research and development groups working within the Keshe groups, and would certainly not have been accepted by the manufacturers (and many more manufacturers are soon to be coming online in quite a few countries) if they did not work as advertised Research is continuing, and some new changes which make the units more efficient are being implemented in future Magrav units, plus all those who have already bought units are going to receive the improved units free of charge.
In addition, within the last few days it was shown how a unit can be made which will be totally independent of the power grid (will not have to be plugged into the grid to provide the 'signal' which activates the unit). The design was made publicly available with the blueprints and explanation as to how to build it. When the testing of this design is finished and pre-production prototypes are completed they will begin to be manufactured.
It should also be noted that the usual time between the invention of a product and it's production and availability to the public is 3 to 5 years. This Keshe technology is actually proceeding at a breakneck speed. This is primarily because everything is being handled 'in house' as per Mr. Keshe's considerable experience in this field. Think about all that has to happen before production is done: factory location and purchase or lease, qualified managers and foremen to be hired and trained, workers hired and trained, machinery to produce product has to be designed and made, materials needed for the product have to be sourced or produced, clerical staff and shipping has to be arranged along with legal matters, etc.
New products are being developed constantly and are tested and put into production as soon as possible. All product information, blueprints, equipment design, etc. are to be given freely to any Keshe approved (and 50% owned by the Keshe Foundation to retain control) manufacturer in every country.
Also, be aware that if Mr. Keshe patented all this he could become the richest man in the world, but this is definitely not his ambition. He is giving this all as a gift to mankind.
In addition to the Keshe technology, there are some other alternative energy systems which are slated to be marketed shortly.
One of these is a n extremely powerful energy generation system that only consumes water as a fuel. You can read about it here: _http://brilliantlightpower.com/electrical-power-from-water-fuel/
Another is called the Magnet Transduced Generator and can be read about here:
_http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Magnet_Transduced_Generator_(MTG)_and_Magnetic_Inducer_Engine_(MIE)_by_Noca_Clean_Energy
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no-mans-land
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Richard S said:
Here's a quote from the site:
A quick Google search turned out that there is no such thing as a "nocatab" laptop, nor does any phone or tablet exists. Those products only exist as graphics on his own site. Additionally, a "Cadillac Technology and Innovation awards" doesn't exist either. Though, there is something called "Harry Jerome Awards":
_http://bbpa.org/harryjeromeawards/the-alumni/2014-alumni/
where Collin Haughton is mentioned as a winner for 2014.
If I should make an educated guess about this guy, I would say after some failures with transportation companies and difficulties with funding, he cleaned his past until 2013, then surfaced again and started to create fake companies with fake products in 2014 and since then, no much activity can be seen (except on his facebook page). Maybe he's now up to jump on the 'free energy' bandwagon too.
According to _www.nocainc.com/mission.php he must be quite busy with doing mysterious hero stuff. Smells like scam.
Richard S, I'm not convinced. To me the whole things smells of scam of the highest degree. Sure, we would all like to get our hands on such a device, and I'm sure they exist, but the PTB are never going to let anyone destroy their cartels.
But I'll keep an open mind, if and when tangible proof is being produced.
But I'll keep an open mind, if and when tangible proof is being produced.
Richs
The Cosmic Force
nicklebleu said:
Yes, and as no-mans_land has said there are most likely some scams coming down too. I didn't research the background of this company and owner as he did, and it's doubtful whether that technology really exists. Still, the guy might have jumped onto some inventor's new technology and feels this will make his fortune.
I do think the Brilliant Light Power thing is legit and will be available one of these days.
Even though I have been following the Keshe stuff for some time now I still do my best to keep an open mind too. It would be really great if we did get a leap forward with some new and empowering technology. I was not going to add anymore to this thread until there was real tangible proof of the technology which would validate it completely, but since I was asked about it I felt I should respond with what I see happening right at this time. I also understand that there is always some possibility I am wrong and I do keep that in mind.
So, I try to do as the C's suggest "wait and see". That seems to apply to a lot of things in these times.
Richs
The Cosmic Force
During the 101st Knowledge Seekers Workshop which was mostly for the subject of agricultural and environmental cleanup using Plasma Technology, Mr. Keshe described what he sees coming in the near future regarding his view of the upcoming major Earth Changes and why in his understanding this is going to happen.
He does not give any exact date when this will occur, but gives a range of dates when this is likely to happen. He does say it is 'soon'.
In the video below the discussion of this starts at about the 23:50 time in the video.
http://livestream.com/accounts/15210385/events/4353996
I'm not sure if he is totally correct, but what he has to say is pretty much in agreement with what the C's have been telling us.
He does not give any exact date when this will occur, but gives a range of dates when this is likely to happen. He does say it is 'soon'.
In the video below the discussion of this starts at about the 23:50 time in the video.
http://livestream.com/accounts/15210385/events/4353996
I'm not sure if he is totally correct, but what he has to say is pretty much in agreement with what the C's have been telling us.
Richs
The Cosmic Force
There has been a concerted effort for over a dozen years to prevent the Keshe technology and science behind it from getting out to the public. It continues to this day, so there is lots of disinfo and smearing being done by paid agents to discredit him. We can all understand well that there are vested interest who would lose tons of money if this technology becomes widespread. It has been done many times by these sorts to repress any real progress so as to keep on keeping on with what they make so much money from.Nima said:
As far as being a 'snake oil salesman', he could have become the richest man in the world by far if he used his patents to protect everything, but what he has done is to release freely the patents and instructions how to make these things to everyone, including the governments.
You can download the blueprints for the Magrav Power unit yourself at
_https://blueprint.keshefoundation.org/blueprint.php
To see people making these units you can go to
_https://blueprint.keshefoundation.org/
You can find some testimonials here:
_https://testimonials.keshefoundation.org/
This is just a very small sample of what can be found by searching the internet.
Divide by Zero
The Living Force
Richard S said:
Look, Richard. I understand that there is a concerted effort to hold back technology- in fact I expect this. I also know that there are disinfo agents, we all read sott.
But, sometimes there is a double psychology. They use agents to discredit someone to prove they are "real". Look at Julian Assange of Wikileaks, who has all of this revolutionary info, yet doesn't release it. They believe he is against the system because the system is after him. I can only judge on information, and in his case- he is skirting many issues, like 9-11 etc. So why would they go after someone who is serving obfuscation? Because he either is misleading or a paid shill. Both would achieve the same purpose.
With Keshe, my bs meter is going through the roof. Why? Because all he needs to do is do a proper tested demo and not foist that duty on others.
As we have talked about in person, I know I have some scientific bias. However, to get people past the scientific bias, all you have to do is show SOME DATA in TESTING. A simple test, don't need the establishment for this! I don't need to hear what the invention could do, make food, wash my car, make my dog fly, whatever.
He has not taken the proper path in order to preserve the invention. If I invented something revolutionary like that, I would not cloud it in confusion and the word salad equivalent of science.
Apply the same critical thinking you approach the new agers with to him and see what I mean?
There are links of people who tested the manufactured device who measured Pin=Pout. They were told there is a longer conditioning period. ALWAYS EXCUSES. The testimonials as I have mentioned earlier do not show a proper test. I'm not asking for miracles, just a fair test. Just think to yourself, how do you test the effectiveness of iodine supplementation?
It all reminds me of the previous free energy machine by Blacklight Power. Why? Because both kept making promises of the future, of things they say they have NOW. If it works now and you are so sure of it, DO it, don't waste your time explaining it, especially if people are out there to shut you down!
Richs
The Cosmic Force
I just came across this article by Gordon Duff of Veterans Today: "VT Science: Free Energy, Scams Cults and the New World Order".
_http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/03/06/vt-science-free-energy-scams-cults-and-the-new-world-order/
In this article, which is quite long but reads like the plot of a blockbuster movie, Gordon explains the workings of an international pedophile ring composed of very high level people and how evidence given by Mr. Keshe led to the arrest of one of the major facilitators of this ring. This guy is now apparently singing like a canary and is spilling his guts out on the whole operation.
Gordon Duff thinks that Justice Scalia was connected with this pedophile ring and that his death was related to these events.
Gordon is also taking a close look at the Keshe technology and has 3 knowledgeable scientists checking it out thoroughly. He has also given personal anecdotal testimony as to how some of the health devices have helped him with pain from an injury. From his tone and what he says it appears he doesn't think Keshe is some kind of scam artist, but wants to verify things before saying anything more.
Kind of like my feelings about all this.
_http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/03/06/vt-science-free-energy-scams-cults-and-the-new-world-order/
In this article, which is quite long but reads like the plot of a blockbuster movie, Gordon explains the workings of an international pedophile ring composed of very high level people and how evidence given by Mr. Keshe led to the arrest of one of the major facilitators of this ring. This guy is now apparently singing like a canary and is spilling his guts out on the whole operation.
Gordon Duff thinks that Justice Scalia was connected with this pedophile ring and that his death was related to these events.
Gordon is also taking a close look at the Keshe technology and has 3 knowledgeable scientists checking it out thoroughly. He has also given personal anecdotal testimony as to how some of the health devices have helped him with pain from an injury. From his tone and what he says it appears he doesn't think Keshe is some kind of scam artist, but wants to verify things before saying anything more.
Kind of like my feelings about all this.
