Mehran Keshe and Keshe Foundation Game Changer or Scam?

[Richs]

Note: Mr. Keshe has recently advised that it is much better to be able to produce pure CO2 gans by placing the plates outside of the container rather than within. This will avoid any possible contamination by chemical reactions which might take place by placing the plates within the container. These would be electrochemical reactions, and although the gans would still be produced, would possibly be subject to this type of contamination. And actually, since the plates would be placed outside the container, this would be proof that this is not at all any type of chemical reaction process which is taking place.

Hey RichardS, do you have a link or video segment where he is saying/explaining this?

Sorry, there has been so much information presented in the last several teaching workshops that I can't remember exactly when this was said. Each of these workshops run around 3 hours each. It was a very brief statement, made as an aside as I can recall, which mentioned that it would work just as well to produce CO2 GANS but no chance of contamination.

All the workshops can be found at:
http://livestream.com/accounts/9943777/ksworkshops

Added: I have also watched some other workshops such as health workshops and other language workshops (using translators for whatever language is used). It is possible that this info was given in one of these workshops.

 

[trendsetter37]

Ok thanks! I'll check it out.

 

[no-mans-land]

Anyway - sent a list of 10 questions to the company. First off, they don't provide an email address to potential customers. Had to send it to the space institute. Another red flag.

The questions were:
1. What is the maximal output of the system.
2. Can I independently power my house off the grid?
3. You say that the unit “requires some assembling” - how much? Could you please send me a video clip or a “assembly manual” which describes the process?
4. How heavy is the unit?
5. Is there any maintenance that needs to be done? Any “consumables” that need to be replenished?
6. What is the useful lifespan of this system?
7. What type of connections are available - can you provide a unit with Australian type plugs?
8. Does the unit need to be standing vertical - or can it lie flat?
9. Is it possible to charge batteries with this unit?
10. Do you have a return merchandise policy, if the unit doesn’t operate to my satisfaction?

I'll see what reply I'll get and report back.

No email address to potential customers is big no-no here. If this is a serious company, they should be able to answer every one of this questions with ease and reply within at least 48 hours. I also had a look at what they claim to sale. The circuits shown there do look like a attempt to recycle the old coler converter design, just with a little more color and fluffy words. Not technical information's provided, just a tube "that could power your car eternally". I don't know, this appears to be something I wouldn't spend too much time with.

No serious company would appear the way they do. Just take the "nano-coated needles" presentation. I mean, come on, blurry pictures taken with a mobile camera with flashlight? Are they so poor that they can't buy a good enough camera to make sharp pictures and give usable information? If it does what they claim, then they do a horrible job while trying to make it widely known. If this is a scam, they do a good job by targeting the right people.

 

[Richs]

Anyway - sent a list of 10 questions to the company. First off, they don't provide an email address to potential customers. Had to send it to the space institute. Another red flag.

The Keshe Foundation and the Spaceship Institute are not "companies" but teaching and research institutions. While there will be production of units of all sorts in China, it has been decided that all Chinese production will be for sale only in China. The units which will be sent from current orders will be produced by Italian manufacturers which are in the process of setting up for this. Don't forget, while this set-up will be accomplished in a few weeks time, the machinery and raw materials for producing the materials needed will have to be purchased or made, the workers who will operate the machinery and assemble the products will have to be trained, so there is some delay time involved. Plus, all manufacturing is slated to be done in Italy because of the great treatment the Italian people and government have given to Mr. Keshe and the Foundation. Even so, the delivery time for the units is promised to be by the end of September.

The Italian military is providing round the clock protection for Mr. Keshe, as it is well known by their intelligence agencies that there are those who want to take him out. The first units produced will be given to the Italian military for intensive testing.

The Keshe group was in the midst of moving to a new location for their headquarters at the end of July and beginning of August. They do not have a large staff such as a 'company' selling products would have, and were no doubt pretty busy with this move and new setup in another location, so answering many, many emails from people is very difficult. Furthermore, most of the information you are requesting has already been discussed in the teaching videos.

I will do my best to answer your questions with what I have learned about this.

The questions were:
1. What is the maximal output of the system.

I don't think anyone has said what is the maximum yet, but they are very powerful

2. Can I independently power my house off the grid?

Yes.
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3. You say that the unit “requires some assembling” - how much? Could you please send me a video clip or a “assembly manual” which describes the process?

No doubt this information on how to assemble the unit will be included with the devices, and would be something anyone could easily do without having any technical knowledge of the devices

4. How heavy is the unit?

I can't say exactly, but the sizes and weights shown on the website will be substantially lower since additional work was done to miniaturize and optimize the units. It is said that the car unit will be small enough to fit in a pocket.

5. Is there any maintenance that needs to be done? Any “consumables” that need to be replenished?

No.

6. What is the useful lifespan of this system?

Many years, and it may outlast your lifespan.

7. What type of connections are available - can you provide a unit with Australian type plugs?

You can buy whatever type of plug you need locally, along with some wire, and connect it as needed.

8. Does the unit need to be standing vertical - or can it lie flat?

I don't know, but either way they are quite small and take up very little space.

9. Is it possible to charge batteries with this unit?

Sure.

10. Do you have a return merchandise policy, if the unit doesn’t operate to my satisfaction?

No doubt the units will be tested before shipment, but feel fairly confident that any unit which does not work to your satisfaction will be dealt with fairly.

I'll see what reply I'll get and report back.

No email address to potential customers is big no-no here. If this is a serious company, they should be able to answer every one of this questions with ease and reply within at least 48 hours. I also had a look at what they claim to sale. The circuits shown there do look like a attempt to recycle the old coler converter design, just with a little more color and fluffy words. Not technical information's provided, just a tube "that could power your car eternally". I don't know, this appears to be something I wouldn't spend too much time with.

No serious company would appear the way they do. Just take the "nano-coated needles" presentation. I mean, come on, blurry pictures taken with a mobile camera with flashlight? Are they so poor that they can't buy a good enough camera to make sharp pictures and give usable information? If it does what they claim, then they do a horrible job while trying to make it widely known. If this is a scam, they do a good job by targeting the right people.

 

[Richs]

No serious company would appear the way they do. Just take the "nano-coated needles" presentation. I mean, come on, blurry pictures taken with a mobile camera with flashlight? Are they so poor that they can't buy a good enough camera to make sharp pictures and give usable information? If it does what they claim, then they do a horrible job while trying to make it widely known. If this is a scam, they do a good job by targeting the right people.

I think this needs a separate response so I will explain here what went on with this and didn't want to mix it up with other things.

This video was produced by a Dr. Elia Kostova, who was working with the Keshe Foundation on health applications of the technology. She apparently understood the technology and how plasmatic fields are arranged in the body and how they contribute to it's makeup and gave several Health Teaching Workshops in conjunction with Mr. Keshe on a variety of subjects regarding the human body and it's health.

She decided on her own to nano-coat some acupuncture needles and also made the video you refer to on her own. Supposedly, it was only to illustrate how the light was affected by the presence of the fields emitted by the plasma of the nano coating on the needles. Apparently, this was not really her intent. She is trying to patent the process and produce these nano-coated needles to be used in the treatment of patients.

Mr. Keshe has divorced himself from Kostova and has advised governments to not allow any patent to be given and most definitely not to ever be produced and sold! This would actually be a criminal act because the harm this treatment could produce in a human body is horrific! This, along with any other proposed use of nano-coated materials of any sort must never, ever be inserted into a body, whether human or animal.

Think of it in these terms: a nano-coated material along with a GANS material has energy output sufficient to power a car, truck, etc. or an entire house. If a nano-coated material is inserted into the GANS material of the body, similar power output can be created. Think of 20 or so of these needles inserted into the skin of a person. If even one of them hits a nerve, it would fry the entire nervous system, including the brain.

The nervous system operates at the microvolt level and just think about what would happen if a much higher amount of voltage and current were introduced.

So, as we have all seen before, this is actually about someone who saw big money, and possibly great personal fame, who went to the 'dark side' because of their petty greed. It has nothing to do with Mr. Keshe or the Keshe Foundation per se, except she was once working with the Foundation until her greed overcame her care for humanity and it's progress.

 

[Richs]

I was thinking about the phrase "some assembly required" which has to do with the power units being sold at the site which some people have asked about.

It seems to me that the units can not be shipped in the 'powered up' condition, as that would be considered hazardous as no one can say what might happen in that condition. Most likely the components would be separately packaged so the unit is inert and harmless and would only need to be inserted into the canister in prescribed order and the top cap put on to make the unit operational.

This would make shipping safe and allowable, as none of the components by themselves are hazardous materials and only produce power output after assembly.

I think this is the reason some assembly is required.

 

[monotonic]

Assembly is not problem as long as the difficult things like coating the plates etc are already done.

Personally, I think the coke bottle plasma reactor would be the best way to test this out. No need to buy anything strange from Keshe. I wasn't able to figure out how exactly to construct it from the blurry video though.

Think of it in these terms: a nano-coated material along with a GANS material has energy output sufficient to power a car, truck, etc. or an entire house. If a nano-coated material is inserted into the GANS material of the body, similar power output can be created. Think of 20 or so of these needles inserted into the skin of a person. If even one of them hits a nerve, it would fry the entire nervous system, including the brain.

And how does this fit into the claim that the electricity is created "at the point of use"?

 

[no-mans-land]

Anyway - sent a list of 10 questions to the company. First off, they don't provide an email address to potential customers. Had to send it to the space institute. Another red flag.

The Keshe Foundation and the Spaceship Institute are not "companies" but teaching and research institutions.

They sell products, as far as I understand. Somehow the Institute and the Foundation must be separate legal entities and that's also the case for the company that sell these generators. To mix a Foundation and an Institute with a profit oriented business is a tricky thing that needs a good attorney. To run an Institute, a Foundation and a Business at once doesn't look like an easy task.

But anyway, the main point is fairly simple and I observe the field of "making energy for free" for quite some years now. There is a simple statement that breaks down every fluffy words and pictures to the hard facts:

If you claim extraordinary things, you have to give extraordinary evidence. That's it.

To claim to have an "thingy that can power your car eternally" qualifies as an extraordinary claim I guess. If this should be true, the extraordinary evidence would be fairly simple to give. Just put it into a glass sphere together with a lightbulb, place it far away from everything that can be used to fake the outcome and let it run, free and observable for everyone. No tricks, no dice. Or even better, if it have enough power to run a car AND fits into your pocket, why not build a single-person-backpack-helicopter that you can carry and fly around for hours and hours?

And it's no excuse to pray the old mantra "the evil government prevent it" because that's just not true. The guy is still alive and if the claim about the Italian military is true, then it must be even easier to give this kind of evidence.

The simple fact that these guys seemingly care more about putting price tags on products and spend money on making videos and workshops (i.e. advertising) tells a lot about the true motivations behind it.

Keshe wasn't the first one who claimed such things and others even did a better job to promote they're ideas and used very clever ways to trick the people and get money out of them. But they all had something in common: They just weren't able to give the evidence beyond doubt, which would be simple if it really works. And that's also the reason why they need all the videos, talking, showing funny metal things, a flipboard, a video projector, a website that carries a "world peace treaty" and claims about cancer and health and what not. It seems they trying hard to produce a lot of smoke with a lot of money to hide a simple fact: no evidence.

 

[Richs]

Assembly is not problem as long as the difficult things like coating the plates etc are already done.

Personally, I think the coke bottle plasma reactor would be the best way to test this out. No need to buy anything strange from Keshe. I wasn't able to figure out how exactly to construct it from the blurry video though.

You might instead try to nano-coat a piece of copper using this method shown in the video:
http://keshefoundation.org/Instructions/NanoCoatingInstructions.mp4
This way you can get a piece of zinc and use these materials to produce CO2 GANS as shown in this video:
http://keshefoundation.org/CO2KitInstructions/CO2KitInstructions.mp4

I have already nano-coated some copper wire and the process works as described. My next step would to do as described above when I am able to get the materials. This would be a more convincing experiment than the coke bottle thing I think and is pretty inexpensive..

Think of it in these terms: a nano-coated material along with a GANS material has energy output sufficient to power a car, truck, etc. or an entire house. If a nano-coated material is inserted into the GANS material of the body, similar power output can be created. Think of 20 or so of these needles inserted into the skin of a person. If even one of them hits a nerve, it would fry the entire nervous system, including the brain.

And how does this fit into the claim that the electricity is created "at the point of use"?

It is because what is transmitted over the wires to any device is a plasmatic energy flow and not an electron vibration (what we normally call electrical current). The wires simply provide a path for this flow and direct it to where it is intended for it to be used. When this plasmatic energy flow reaches a device which requires 'electricity', in order for the gravitational part of the energy to flow back to the magnetical (just like the positive electricity needing to flow back to the negative terminal to complete a circuit) It transforms it's energy into electricity to provide a path for this through the device.

The power systems for cars that are not driven by electric motors but by hydrocarbon fueled engines work in a similar way. Since there is no direct path for the plasmatic energy to flow through the engine, it requires it to convert to energy of motion of the engine parts, such as the pistons and crankshaft, in order to complete it's path back to the opposite terminal.

This sounds really strange and hardly believable, but so would lots of things we take for granted today just 100 years ago.

 

[Richs]

Anyway - sent a list of 10 questions to the company. First off, they don't provide an email address to potential customers. Had to send it to the space institute. Another red flag.

The Keshe Foundation and the Spaceship Institute are not "companies" but teaching and research institutions.

They sell products, as far as I understand. Somehow the Institute and the Foundation must be separate legal entities and that's also the case for the company that sell these generators. To mix a Foundation and an Institute with a profit oriented business is a tricky thing that needs a good attorney. To run an Institute, a Foundation and a Business at once doesn't look like an easy task.

But anyway, the main point is fairly simple and I observe the field of "making energy for free" for quite some years now. There is a simple statement that breaks down every fluffy words and pictures to the hard facts:

If you claim extraordinary things, you have to give extraordinary evidence. That's it.

To claim to have an "thingy that can power your car eternally" qualifies as an extraordinary claim I guess. If this should be true, the extraordinary evidence would be fairly simple to give. Just put it into a glass sphere together with a lightbulb, place it far away from everything that can be used to fake the outcome and let it run, free and observable for everyone. No tricks, no dice. Or even better, if it have enough power to run a car AND fits into your pocket, why not build a single-person-backpack-helicopter that you can carry and fly around for hours and hours?

And it's no excuse to pray the old mantra "the evil government prevent it" because that's just not true. The guy is still alive and if the claim about the Italian military is true, then it must be even easier to give this kind of evidence.

The simple fact that these guys seemingly care more about putting price tags on products and spend money on making videos and workshops (i.e. advertising) tells a lot about the true motivations behind it.

Keshe wasn't the first one who claimed such things and others even did a better job to promote they're ideas and used very clever ways to trick the people and get money out of them. But they all had something in common: They just weren't able to give the evidence beyond doubt, which would be simple if it really works. And that's also the reason why they need all the videos, talking, showing funny metal things, a flipboard, a video projector, a website that carries a "world peace treaty" and claims about cancer and health and what not. It seems they trying hard to produce a lot of smoke with a lot of money to hide a simple fact: no evidence.

I think all the proof needed is that there is such a concerted effort being made to sabotage the Iran deal by people who don't want this technology given the US government, NASA, the big aerospace companies, etc. Regardless, you are certainly free to have any determination you want regarding this technology.

Unfortunately for these people, the cat is now out of the bag and it doesn't look like there is any way to stop the spread of this technology. It is being spread, experimented with and tested all over the world, including in the US. And as the C's have said "once the cat is out of the bag you have an entire feline nation".

Time will tell what is true.

 

[Beau]

Richard, I think you missed Laura's post here so I'll post it again:

Richard, buy one and when all your expectations are fulfilled, let us know. Frankly, Ark and I spent an ENORMOUS amount of time and energy with these alternative energy people of several persuasions years ago. Without exception, they were frauds. Not going there again. So YOU spend YOUR money on it and save the advertising until after you do.

 

[Divide by Zero]

Hi,
I spoke about this with Richard and other group members at the last meetup we had.

I don't know if it works... I don't need to know it works, but see it work- and that seems to be a game that he is playing with spending so much time on specifics and "special applications" but not the fundamentals.

Some of my red flags:

-It can power a house by itself, but we are unaware of how it regulates the power- without blowing out bulbs or burning out motors/etc. You state it's automatic...
You cannot throw pure energy into a typical AC motor, it requires a changing field at a certain frequency. A "plasmatic flow" or whatever it may be, sounds more like a DC current, which again- will not provide the "timing" for an AC motor. Think of it like a car engine without valves timed- it may rotate half a turn but will stop.
Also, a resistor, like a light bulb does not dictate how much power it uses. It is dependent on voltage and it's resistance. If you have enough voltage, you can make arcs that light up the room. With a very low voltage, but high current, you can create a lot of power and heat. It's not something automatic. Even lightning surges and EMP's (UFO sightings?) cause power spikes which damage or stop equipment. If this is a UFO type technology, fine, but where is the regulation to run a normal device? If the technology doesn't need it, why not make a real independent demo?

As Joe said, scientists can be hoodwinked. We have engineers who get sucked in even by salesmen only to implement a system that doesn't work at all. Common sense goes out the window sometimes when hopes and dreams are being sold first- before fundamentals.


-I'm weary of the cigarette lighter thing as others have brought up. Plasmatic energy or not, in that case it is- how does he explain this running the mechanical side of the engine? What is expanding, compressing and so on? I don't need to know how it works, but if he states this, why not SHOW IT?

-The most annoying aspect of this is that he is telling us on the applications and devices that COULD be made, but when it comes to the basics, there still isn't a true simple input/output test that I can find.


If you can link me to one I will do my best to analyze it and yes, I hope it is real, but my gut is telling me that there are psychological tricks going on here in order to distract the audience- whether it be scientists or laymen.

 

[nicklebleu]

Anyway - sent a list of 10 questions to the company. First off, they don't provide an email address to potential customers. Had to send it to the space institute. Another red flag.

The questions were:
1. What is the maximal output of the system.
2. Can I independently power my house off the grid?
3. You say that the unit “requires some assembling” - how much? Could you please send me a video clip or a “assembly manual” which describes the process?
4. How heavy is the unit?
5. Is there any maintenance that needs to be done? Any “consumables” that need to be replenished?
6. What is the useful lifespan of this system?
7. What type of connections are available - can you provide a unit with Australian type plugs?
8. Does the unit need to be standing vertical - or can it lie flat?
9. Is it possible to charge batteries with this unit?
10. Do you have a return merchandise policy, if the unit doesn’t operate to my satisfaction?

I'll see what reply I'll get and report back.

Nearly ten days and no response!

For me that's a dead duck - until I see some more tangible evidence!

 

[Z...]

well I guess we will soon know, according to this website (which leaves pretty dodgy impression) Keshe foundation will be releasing "plasma based free energy" patent to the world with intention to make it available to every citizen of the planet, I am not holding my breath but 10 days will pass quickly...there is a video presentation with Mr.Keshe announcing all this.... so let wait and see

_http://tribelive.ning.com/forum/tesla-technology-about-to-be-given-to-all-nations-of-the-earth-in

 

[Divide by Zero]

I hope it does work but his way of releasing it sets off red flags in my bs detector. Richard and I spoke about this at the last 2 NE meetups.

I don't need to know how it works. That is up to Keshe.
What I have not seen is a test of energy IN and energy OUT, which can be used to determine whether this is actually adding power. Without that, it can very well just be transforming it in some way- maybe a fancy transformer.

(Richard, I know you wouldn't agree, but so far without these tests there is nothing to show otherwise as he is plugged into the grid to run the machine.)

So hopefully it does show more energy out than energy in. After that, then yes, I would like to learn how it works.

But seriously, until I see it OBJECTIVELY work, all that is spoken is just theory and testing. No matter how much the theory can make sense (which honestly, it doesn't to me from what Richard explained), the proof is in the pudding!

So, as much as I hope it works, my gut feeling is still not agreeing. Of course, showing an objective test would change that!