Mehran Keshe and Keshe Foundation Game Changer or Scam?

[Joe]

I just came across this article by Gordon Duff of Veterans Today: "VT Science: Free Energy, Scams Cults and the New World Order".

_http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/03/06/vt-science-free-energy-scams-cults-and-the-new-world-order/

In this article, which is quite long but reads like the plot of a blockbuster movie, Gordon explains the workings of an international pedophile ring composed of very high level people and how evidence given by Mr. Keshe led to the arrest of one of the major facilitators of this ring. This guy is now apparently singing like a canary and is spilling his guts out on the whole operation.

Gordon Duff thinks that Justice Scalia was connected with this pedophile ring and that his death was related to these events.

Gordon is also taking a close look at the Keshe technology and has 3 knowledgeable scientists checking it out thoroughly. He has also given personal anecdotal testimony as to how some of the health devices have helped him with pain from an injury. From his tone and what he says it appears he doesn't think Keshe is some kind of scam artist, but wants to verify things before saying anything more.

Kind of like my feelings about all this.

Gordon Duff is a scam artist himself. His writings are full of manufactured, self-aggrandizing nonsense. He's like Alex Jones lite. He told me himself, as if it were a badge of honor, that he's a narcissist.

 

[Woodsman]

Everybody is very polite and patient here. This is commendable, I think.

Richard S; you've been pulled into a tarball to the point where you have invested emotionally. Don't feel bad. We've all been there. The trick is getting out and holding the lesson.

I mean.., how's the gas mileage on your car? There's your test. You installed a magic thingy, reported that it had resulted in subtle benefits and would be soon showing more because of a promised cumulative effect. (Problem is, wishful thinking and confirmation bias is only ever good for adding a couple of miles per gallon, I believe. ;) ).

Here's how I see this sort of thing...

Anybody who threatens the status quo with something real, is assessed by the PTB and dealt with in one way or another. Hired or disappeared, sabotaged or self-destructed. It's not a small fry game. It's as serious as the tax department. They don't mess around and let people run websites and sell free energy gadgets through mail order, -not unless doing so provides the world with another chapter in the "Tin Foil Tragedy" narrative.

Then good intentioned, smart people, (like you), get sucked in and provide "free energy" to that narrative, spinning and spreading it, giving the world a crazy show and thus an excuse to continue believing in the safe, official reality.

And this is why I hope you don't feel too foolish and why I am pleased to see people being gentle with you. I've been there too. It's important to feel allowed to experiment and dip into this stuff, and it's important that people don't shy away from doing so out of fear of a shame bomb going off in their faces.

But, and this is the thing: you have to know when you've been duped and own it and be proud of surviving it. And learn from it.

Don't double down, because that way leads to madness and an un-doing of all the machine-cleaning work you've done so far.

Just my two-cents.

 

[Duke]

Whoa! what a read! Woodsman That post is wisdom and compassion all in one, well done. I'm on the fence with this....It could be OR it mightn't.
It seems my "want" for a better world yearns for this to be true {like all those that have continued the conversation through 6 pages}.. BUT... the lack of any easy tests {proof of basic concept} has my BS detector yelling!!
I came across something similar over 20 yeas ago now. It promised to make your motor run cold,,, over time.. LOL
I was mess around with magnets looking for over unity and built some cool stuff with a mate..... ahhhhh so long ago.....

 

[sitting]

Woodsman That post is wisdom and compassion all in one, well done.

Well done indeed. With great clarity of expression.

FWIW.

 

[Laura]

I've changed the title of the thread to better reflect its contents.

 

[Divide by Zero]

Thanks Woodsman for your post.

I think what also makes people double down with these topics is that many people are not open to the idea of energy that doesn't follow classical physics. Even in physics there is a push back to the implications of quantum theory!

With the idea of free energy, yes, I am a skeptic. Keep in mind the definition has been corrupted in our media to mean someone who doesn't accept things if it doesn't fit the paradigm. A skeptic in it's true meaning is closer to what the C's advocate- to Verify! Doublespeak has been used to equate true skepticism with close minded establishment scientists/historians/etc.

skep·tic
a person inclined to question or doubt all accepted opinions.

Skepticism or scepticism (see spelling differences) is generally any questioning attitude towards unempirical knowledge or opinions/beliefs stated as facts,[1] or doubt regarding claims that are taken for granted elsewhere.[

When it comes to UFOs, other densities, etc- we cannot test these things, so we go by clues and related information. We cannot get a UFO, etc to measure or test objectively. So we have ideas and those ideas can change when we learn more.
We can apply the same to the possibility of free energy.

However, when it comes to a Specific free energy device- you cannot use the same clues when there are simple tests that can be done!


Some psychology surrounding the free energy field:

There is a mythology built around things being suppressed. Some of it may have been legitimate, but most seem to be missing a lot.
One example is the 200+mpg carburetor. On science alone of combustion, it doesn't make sense with the cars at the time. The car would need X amount of joules of energy to travel 200 miles at a normal speed (50mph?). However, a gallon of gasoline- if energy is 100% efficiently extracted, would have LESS THAN X joules needed to move that said car 200 miles. So, then it's an extraordinary claim that surpasses the laws of chemistry and physics. Nowadays, we do have test cars that can do around 200 mpg, but they do this by reducing the amount of friction and weight. That was not what this carburetor claimed- they all claimed it worked in normal cars!

Still, I looked for more information and all I could find are stories. You would think that a metal part would have had plans hidden somewhere or objective test results. No, the lack of substance was excused: that the technology was shut down by the industries or the PTB.

Somehow, that final excuse is a reason that allows for people to accept stories and not look at the objective data.
A modern day analogy would be the theory that on 9-11, WTC 1 and 2 were hit by holograms of planes. There is nothing solid to that argument, besides some videos that show glitches (which does happen in video compression). Meanwhile, the real issues, like the molten steel, WTC 7, and the Pentagon are whisked away and included with the "made up" hologram idea.


Richard, that is exactly why this whole Keshe business sets off huge BS detectors and upsets me. Even if he has something that works, by the way he is not being transparent (and no, explaining how it works or what it could do is not what is needed- but a proper simple demonstration), just gives ammo to those who don't think it is possible at all.
It reminds me of Alex Jones, who thinks that he is spreading the truth, only to be causing more confusion and discrediting truth movements.

The solution is simple, but there seems to be endless excuses and delays in doing this.

If indeed there is a demonstration that has a proper simple measurement, I would love to see it. But if he cannot do this simple thing, how can he claim all of the extreme things that he does?

 

[nicklebleu]

Anybody who threatens the status quo with something real, is assessed by the PTB and dealt with in one way or another. Hired or disappeared, sabotaged or self-destructed. It's not a small fry game. It's as serious as the tax department. They don't mess around and let people run websites and sell free energy gadgets through mail order, -not unless doing so provides the world with another chapter in the "Tin Foil Tragedy" narrative.

I concur - well written, Woodsman!

While I believe that "zero point" energy has been around for quite a while AND working (Tesla is a good case in point), they have all been "dealt with", as you have mentioned. There are quite many that followed him, with similar fates. To me Keshe seems to be a BS-artist. I think the time is not yet ripe for these rechnologies to come out of the closet, they will - eventually - but right now the grip of interested parties (government, industry - particularly the oil, gas and nuclear industry) is way too tight for that.

The reason I believe is: Look what this would mean on a political level. It would pretty much mean a total disarmament of the governmental power base. If we all could produce energy at minimal cost in unlimited amount, the whole industry, as we know it, would fall apart. A lot of the current strife would simply melt away (influencing oil-rich nations and those strategically located to have pipelines running through their territory, nuclear energy becoming superfluous, now powerful oil-producing countries being relegated back to the middle ages, no more control of energy flows as a geopolitical weapon etc.) - not gonna happen, the psychos in power will prevent that at any cost! Of course, more often than not oil is but a pretext for control and influence on a more global scale.

I will still keep an open mind, but at this moment in time Keshe doesn't look good and in my view that's very unlikely to change. Richard S, I would follow Woodsman's advice - keep an open mind, but disinvest yourself emotionally from this.

 

[JEEP]

I occasionally peruse Veterans Today & did see article relating to Keshe - wasn't aware of him before. I wondered if what he was doing was similar to Edward Leedskalnin & Coral Castle. I also thought of Paul Pantone and his GEET engine (GEET = Global Environmental Energy Technology). Just googled & discovered Pantone passed away 12/14/15:

Today, Al Francouer informed me that he had heard that Paul Pantone, inventor of the GEET, had passed away. In doing a Google search, I found this story at BeforeItsNews, reprinted below.

Our condolences go to his family. He will be missed but us all.

He was one of the most entertaining speakers I've ever heard in the free energy world. He knows how to tell a story and enthrall an audience. And he's had plenty of adventures in his life from which to draw for telling some of the most amazing tales. He does exaggerate a bit, but nothing like Keshe, who is by far the most egregious at talking ahead of himself as if he's already there, because in his mind, he is.

I did the last interview with Paul before he was incarcerated and put in a mental hospital in Provo Utah in the summer of 2005, and finally released in May, 2009, after being horribly abused, loosing his teeth. His son, David, was primarily instrumental in getting Paul out of incarceration, publishing recorded audio interviews with him, demonstrating that he has full mental faculty and was being mistreated. A politician came to bat for him, and he was released.

He then moved to Arkansas, where he began teaching classes. He was not sad to leave Utah, and I don't blame him. It's hard being outside the box in this state where most are taught to be conformists as a matter of dogma.

If only Paul would have actually divulged as much as he said he was going to, and not hold back the key ingredients, so that very few know what it takes to replicate these effects he's been achieving. [My note: He had already been unfairly incarcerated - he chose to avoid being murdered.]

I attended (and reported on) a course he gave at the TeslaTech conference in ~2012. Brilliant. He demonstrated, clearly, a wide array of very anomalous phenomenon with his GEET reactor out in the parking lot. He showed glass taking on a magnetic polarity when it had served as the rod in his reactor.

Four years ago, I published this article, which I feel gives a very important clarification to the GEET phenomenon.

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To GEET or not to GEET: Simple Versus Plasma - I propose that two classifications be given: GEET Simple, which is easy to achieve and yields improvement from pre-heating the fuel and possibly some other pre-treatment effects, giving 5-30% improvement in efficiency; and GEET Plasma, which is the holy grail, giving several-fold increase in efficiency, but which is nearly impossible to achieve. (PESN; February 19, 2011)

The process has been studied and confirmed by Brigham Young University. The GEET process is taught in some college courses in Europe, where they take this much more seriously.

On September 4 of this year, Paul sent me an email saying:

Hello Sterling,
I am attaching a copy of my e book only for you to enjoy. I was forced to keep it short due to lack of funding as had been promised. There is much more to the story. Call me after reading.
Paul Pantone

Unfortunately, I've not yet had a chance to read it.

I hope it gets out there.

Bert-Jan, David's friend from the Netherlands, who considers David to be like a brother and helped him get his dad out of the mental-hospital-jail, said that this timing of his dad's passing is sad, because David's girlfriend recently passed away, too. That's a lot of hard stuff at once for David.

Al Francouer, commented: "What most people will not know is that Paul Pantone was very well known in France. The French have adopted the "Le-Bubbler" in their use of waste oils. They had workshops in the agriculture community all over France. Paul was their guy!"

http://pesn.com/2015/12/14/9602703_Paul-Pantone-has-passed-away/

Pantone originally discovered how to run an engine on water, but the reaction of friends & his dad convinced him to totally destroy/hide what he had made - guaranteed death to any who dare to reveal that knowledge - to wit:

The Columbus Dispatch • Sunday July 8, 2007
The car that ran on water -
Nine years after his death, inventor's dreams -- and suspicions -- linger

Stanley Allen Meyer, his brother and two Belgian investors raised glasses in the Grove City Cracker Barrel on March 20, 1998.

Meyer said his invention could do what physicists say is impossible -- turn water into hydrogen fuel efficiently enough to drive his dune buggy cross-country on 20 gallons straight from the tap.

He took a sip of cranberry juice. Then he grabbed his neck, bolted out the door, dropped to his knees and vomited violently.

"I ran outside and asked him, 'What's wrong?' " his brother, Stephen Meyer, recalled. "He said, 'They poisoned me.' That was his dying declaration."

Stanley Meyer's bizarre death at age 57 ended work that, if proved valid, could have ended reliance on fossil fuels.

People who knew him say his work drew worldwide attention: mysterious visitors from overseas, government spying and lucrative buyout offers.

His death sparked a three-month investigation that consumed and fascinated Grove City police.

"Meyer's death was laced with all sorts of stories of conspiracy, cloak-and-dagger stories," said Grove City Police Lt. Steve Robinette, lead detective on the case.

If Stephen Meyer was shocked at his twin brother's collapse and death, he was equally amazed at the Belgians' response the next day.

"I told them that Stan had died and they never said a word," he recalled, "absolutely nothing, no condolences, no questions.

"I never, ever had a trust of those two men ever again."

Today, Stanley Meyer is featured on numerous Internet sites. A significant portion of the 1995 documentary It Runs on Water, narrated by science-fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke and aired on the BBC, focuses on his "water fuel cell" invention.

As many of his more than 20 patents expire this year, and gasoline prices hover around $3 per gallon, there is growing interest in his inventions.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2007/07/08/hydroman.ART_ART_07-08-07_A1_4V77MOK.html

Meyer was very religious & believed his knowledge was heaven sent - and that God would protect him and so, didn't protect himself.

Back to Pantone - Clips from the 3-disc documentary on DVD:

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=29&v=D3HHThgm6nY

I learned of Pantone via video interviews by Adam Abraham of indeliblepromise.com - the Pantone part was great but the rest was awful including avid promotion of MMS (unfortunately, Pantone also thought MMS was valid despite saying that all his illnesses were cured by essential oils cinnamon/clove & milk thistle!). He compiled a notebook of his work (which can be seen in the youtube clip above) and put out an ebook available at his website: _http://www.geetinternational.com.

It really seems that he had a highly efficient plasma engine that he was forced to suppress & could only offer a much lesser version to the public. There was ebook 1 & 2 done w/ ebook 3 in the works. Guess that one won't see the light of day although his website has this:

"The transcript for the documentary of the gun-point robbery of Paul Pantone and GEET International is now fully written and available for any serious producer."

His story is incredibly interesting if you have the time to view the videos availble online.

 

[Divide by Zero]

Whenever I hear stories like an engine running on water I hear how it disappears.

If he invented that and then destroyed it why keep moving onto other free energy research?

if he already found it and it was dangerous, wouldn't any other free energy invention end up with the same fate : to be guilted into destroying it?

Also if he wanted to recreate it, there is always his memory of what the key mechanism is.

A lot of these stories remind me of the bragging that kids would do in school. As soon as you ask to see it, there is a story of why it can't be shown.

 

[JEEP]

Some food for thought re free energy/energy saving devices - May 2014 comments from Josh del Sol, producer & director of the documentary Take Back Your Power (watch at _http://takebackyourpower.net) - beginning at the 46:08 min mark:

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr2SQ61c2nE
smart meters & smart grid: what's the real story?

 

[Divide by Zero]

Thanks Jeep for the video link and time section where he speaks about alternative devices.

Sure, they can suppress patents. But if people get their patent suppressed, why not just release the info?

It's problematic that a lot of these devices that claim free energy are never really tested. They show a spinning wheel or what not, but if you understand the basics of physics- a real test of watts (which we use as power) means work done. Work done can be heat, like a light bulb or heater. Or work can be force x distance, which a spinning wheel (in videos I have seen) does not prove. Why not? Because a spinning wheel is moving distance but it takes no force.

The water engine he speaks of sounds interesting, but again- if that guy was put down or had his invention stolen, why not just release it to the public? Anyone can sign up for a website or post it on a blog. All I see are stories. Sorry but more and more my hope is waning. Proof is in the pudding and I haven't seen anything besides pseudoscience testing. Honestly, you can test how many watts a device uses in your house by buying a cheap little meter!

I would be happy even if it didn't make free energy but increased efficiency of motors and lights. But, I get called a skeptic for that. Like conspiracy theorist has been labeled as "nut job" in the media, a skeptic who just wants more data is "close minded". Well, I know I have been wrong about things! But, I'm not going to take some stories as proof either, when it just takes a simple load test (a small one at that can prove over unity or extra effiency!).

I think Josh del Sol means well and I too find smart meters as a dangerous thing. The utilities want to be able to turn power on and off for our appliances so that they can reduce their peak loads and not pay as much for bulk electricity which due to deregulation has become very expensive (thank you Enron and their lobbyists for making a utility into a "free market"- NOT!)

 

[Richs]

Thanks Woodsman for your post.

I think what also makes people double down with these topics is that many people are not open to the idea of energy that doesn't follow classical physics. Even in physics there is a push back to the implications of quantum theory!

With the idea of free energy, yes, I am a skeptic. Keep in mind the definition has been corrupted in our media to mean someone who doesn't accept things if it doesn't fit the paradigm. A skeptic in it's true meaning is closer to what the C's advocate- to Verify! Doublespeak has been used to equate true skepticism with close minded establishment scientists/historians/etc.

I agree with DBZ comments here totally. It has been suggested by many mainstream scientists that science has gone down the wrong track in many areas, and worse, anything that contradicts the establishment level of science is heretical and/or impossible.

When it comes to UFOs, other densities, etc- we cannot test these things, so we go by clues and related information. We cannot get a UFO, etc to measure or test objectively. So we have ideas and those ideas can change when we learn more.
We can apply the same to the possibility of free energy.

However, when it comes to a Specific free energy device- you cannot use the same clues when there are simple tests that can be done!

Yes, this is true, however many people, including government scientists have performed their 'testing' in a wrong way and have because of this not been able to see any energy reduction. The only way to see if these Magrav units actually do work is to install one and see the reduction in the electricity bill over a few month's time. Those who have done that have seen the reduction in their bills. You also have to keep in mind that these units are not stand alone Power Generators, but an additional source of energy to be used along with the grid power. It as actually a 'hybrid unit' such as we know as hybrid cars, where there are two sources of energy being used rather than just one.

Richard, that is exactly why this whole Keshe business sets off huge BS detectors and upsets me. Even if he has something that works, by the way he is not being transparent (and no, explaining how it works or what it could do is not what is needed- but a proper simple demonstration), just gives ammo to those who don't think it is possible at all.
It reminds me of Alex Jones, who thinks that he is spreading the truth, only to be causing more confusion and discrediting truth movements.

Yes, I quite understand your and other's sentiments here. There are indeed lots of scam artists out there. That is why I have been researching this for quite some time. Everything I have seen so far indicates to me that this guy is actually honest and has a ground breaking new technology and science behind it. Contrary to the idea that I have been hooked by some charlatan and just believe what he is saying I am using the scientific method and 'thinking with a hammer' all along in what I considered to be my personal research project.

The solution is simple, but there seems to be endless excuses and delays in doing this.

If indeed there is a demonstration that has a proper simple measurement, I would love to see it. But if he cannot do this simple thing, how can he claim all of the extreme things that he does?

I guess you have all noticed I have been very quiet about this topic for some time. This is because there has not been sufficient hard data regarding this subject which I felt would satisfy the requirement of 'proof' of this technology. I have been doing some small amount of experimenting on my own which demonstrates to me that the methods to make nano-coated materials, GANS, liquid plasma, pain pens and pads does work as described.

Manufacturing plants are being opened in many countries for all sorts of products, including one just getting under way in the US. Business people, banks and governments are not stupid and employ the best scientific experts available when making decisions. If it is good enough for them is is likely to be for real.

The following video will show what has been transpiring with the Keshe Foundation, which is now worldwide in scope and which has not only been accepted by government agencies, banking agencies, and even governments themselves, but doctors and many scientists and business persons. An upcoming Knowledge Seekers Workshop (if the internet connection is proper and stable) will feature the presentation of several scientist's presentation of their papers who are from the Atomic Energy Agency of Ghana.

The video is 2 hours and 40 minutes, and well worth watching. I would give a synopsis, but the amount of info is so large and diverse I could not possibly cover it adequately. (fast forward to 6 minutes and 20 seconds to avoid intro)
https://youtu.be/3vd2Q-ttGnc

 

[Divide by Zero]

Hey Richard,
I downloaded the video using flash downloader and was watching it, but I can't really get it. Even his drawings on the whiteboard seem half and half.

I'm sure he means well, but I don't think he is using proper objective scientific approach.

Maybe you can give a synopsis in a way that would be explaining it to Ark or some other scientist.
I don't want to debate the subjective aspects because we learned that in itself is a trap.

 

[Richs]

Hey Richard,
I downloaded the video using flash downloader and was watching it, but I can't really get it. Even his drawings on the whiteboard seem half and half.

I'm not at all surprised you and others would have a lot of difficulty understanding what he is talking about and the drawings and such on the whiteboard. At this point in his teachings, it is expected that most people watching it would have an appreciable background regarding the science and technology being discussed. To come in cold into this is akin to a third grade student attempting to take a college level math class. One needs to have gone through the many learning steps to be able to grok what is being said.

I'm sure he means well, but I don't think he is using proper objective scientific approach.

One thing that probably throws you off is that you are just not familiar with the terminology he uses, which since it is an entirely different understanding of how everything is actually constructed and operates, required him to develop new terms for this. If one is not familiar with the terms and the theory underlying what is said it no doubt makes everything unintelligible.

As far as proper scientific method, keep in mind the guy has a degree in nuclear power plant design and operation from Queen Mary College in England. It is pretty likely he learned the scientific method there. He has been working on these ideas for about 40 years. The work consisted of not only developing a theory as to how things are actually constructed and operate, but many years of experimentation and observation of the results of these experiments, which probably modified the original theory somewhat and provided data for more experiments and so on. Isn't that the actual basis for objective science?

Maybe you can give a synopsis in a way that would be explaining it to Ark or some other scientist.
I don't want to debate the subjective aspects because we learned that in itself is a trap.

Well, it would be pretty hard to go through the video I posted and explain everything, but I will post below some info from the www.spaceshipinstitute.org/ site which gives a fairly brief description of what this science is all about and how it could be used in various applications.

"Humans have been focused on the physical aspect of life and now are starting to understand and embrace plasmatic science that explains the plasma energy system of the universe, our Sun, our Earth, our bodies, and each and every atom, plus each and every proton, neutron and electron. So you see – there isn’t ANY THING that doesn’t have a plasma field AND there isn’t ANY THING that isn’t in a plasma field.

Each human, tree, drop of water … has a plasma field of it’s own and is in the plasma field of the Earth. And all planets in our solar system have a plasma field of their own and all are in the plasma field of the Sun…as it can be said…each cell has a plasma field of it’s own plus is in the plasma field of the body.
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Why Magravs?
Simple, because it exists everywhere and everywhen as everyone and everything. With such a cosmic abundance of magnetical-gravitational (Magravs) plasma energy, it is an ideal source from which to derive other necessities.

What Is It?
In simple terms, it is pure energy. It is up to the user to translate and/or transmute this energy to use in desired ways.

Is it renewable?
Remember that energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be converted from one form to another. That is all we are doing. With Magravs plasma technology, there is no worry of energy running out or leaving the lights on and using up too much energy.

How can a single source provide all needs?
One word – Consciousness. Magravs plasma is conscious in nature, and provides what is needed at the point of need. It never gives more than is required. This is why Magravs plasma technology is so versatile. From powering a small LED to creating a large spaceship, it can be used for all applications imaginable, and then some.

Is it dangerous?
If it was, none of us would be here. Magravs plasma energy is cosmically powerful and abundant, yet it goes into the loving creation of all – from the smallest atom to the largest galactic super-cluster. Therefore, it is incumbent upon the user of Magravs plasma to know what they are doing, and exercise due diligence in what they create.
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Space & Magravs
Conventional science teaches us that what we can't measure does not exist. This led to a separation between science and spirituality.

Magnetical-gravitational (Magravs) plasma technology combines science and spirituality since everything is made of Magravs plasma. We can't measure thoughts or emotions, but they exist as Magravs plasma. Magravs plasma IS conscious – one could also say that it is Consciousness.

From the smallest particles to the largest structures of a planet, including the planet itself, everything is made of Magravs plasma. Furthermore, contrary to the teachings of traditional science, space is not empty. Rather, space is also full of Magravs plasma. In other words, Magravs plasma is ambient, universally.

Magravs plasma takes the form of a fluctuating torus, with Magravs fields entering the torus at its south pole and exiting at its north pole. The fields are weaker (lower velocity) at the extremities and stronger (higher velocity) at the centre of the torus. Due to this differential, Magravs plasma fields are constantly attracting and repelling one another.

It is for this very reason that exo-planets in our solar system, such as Neptune, move significantly slower in their orbit around our Sun as compared to endo-planets like Mercury.

Every single Magravs plasma is also unique in its combination of magnetical (Dark Energy) and gravitational forces (Dark Matter), where repelling fields behave like two magnets with the same pole and attracting fields with two opposite poles.

Dark Matter, the gravitational part of Magravs plasma is the cause of entropy. Dark Energy, the magnetical part of Magravs plasma is the cause of order and life. Because ALL Magravs plasma contain magnetical fields, all of creation is living and conscious. Matter is simply Magravs plasma with a weaker magnetical field strength and stronger gravitational force.

Likewise, it is through this mechanism of attraction and repulsion that space travel is made possible. Positioning a spaceship in space occurs by by amplifying the magnetical (repelling, giving) force or the gravitational (attracting, taking) force in relation to the destination's Magravs fingerprint.

To move to a destination, the spaceship merely has to tune Herself to that location's gravitational signature, and space travel can occur at superluminal, and even hyperluminal speeds. The speed of light is but a limitation of current knowledge.

In order to slow down during descent into a planet, the spaceship tunes Herself reciprocally to the planet's magnetical signature. Rockets and fuel are history.

Magravs plasma is useful not only for positioning a spaceship in space, but also in many other ways.

Spaceship Configuration
Just as we require Earth suits to live on this planet, we would require ships for travel in outer space.

However, these space-ships must be dynamic and conscious in nature. In other words, the spaceship must be easily re-configurable and adaptable to meet different challenges and scenarios in various parts of space. Therefore, constructing a spaceship out of materials as we would say a car or boat or aeroplane just does not cut it.

The spaceship must be created out of Magravs plasma. Since it is naturally conscious, Magravs plasma can be concentrated and configured by thought, according to the requirements of space travel.

Being dynamic, the spaceship would be able to grow to accommodate more within Herself, or shrink to navigate difficult areas of space. Crew living spaces would be dynamically re-configurable and never boring.

During space travel, the spaceship would replicate the Earth's gravity field via Magravs plasma in order to protect the crew and for the crew to be able to function as they would on Earth.

Protection Technology
Space is full of different forms of matter and Magravs fields in varying states and intensities in different environments. During space travel, the Magravs field boundary around the edge of the spaceship must prevent these external physicalities and fields from crossing into the interior of the spaceship for the crew's safety and well-being.

The same Magravs field boundary layer could also be tuned such that it would also allow the spaceship through the protective layers of Earth's or other celestial bodies' Magravs fields. The same principle of tuning the Magravs field boundary layer would be required during space travel.

Energy, Conversion & Re-conversion
The same power source that configures the spaceship and positions Her in space also has to provide the energy requirements of the spaceship Herself and Her crew.

In the same way that Magravs plasma is used to configure the spaceship, Magravs plasma can also be used to create material. Be it a cup of coffee, a new pair of pants, a spacesuit or another smaller spaceship for planetary exploration, material can be created at the point of need, all thought altering the Magravs fields of plasma.

Large hangar decks in the Mothership housing many smaller scout ships are totally unnecessary.

Likewise, once an item is used and no longer needed, it can be re-converted back to Magravs plasma. In this way, space travellers no longer have to worry about clutter, waste storage and pollution. Recycling at its finest as Nature does it.

Furthermore, various cosmic rays and gravitational fields of different magnetical strengths would be encountered during space travel. Through Magravs plasma technology, these rays can be converted and used according to the needs of the crew and spaceship.

Air, Food, Water & Nutrition
Space travel means being away from Earth for months, years or decades at a time. There is no practical way to bring large stores of oxygen, food and water from home for such long voyages.

Once again, Magravs plasma can be constituted in such a way that vital nutrition would reside in the very air that the crew of the spaceship breathe. Eating and drinking would be reserved purely for pleasure and as a social activity, and food and drink can be constituted out of Magravs plasma as desired.

Medicines & Medical Devices
Just as it would be impractical to bring large stores on-board, it would also be impractical to have various devices and medicines to treat various ailments, some of which would be contracted during space travel and unknown to present medical science.

Rather than to look at different ailments in a manner of differential diagnosis, it is crucial to look at the body as a balanced system, and correct imbalances when they occur.

Through directed Magravs plasma, injuries can be rapidly healed, mental ailments can be quickly cured and sadness can be swiftly lifted - all through the body's, mind's, and emotion's natural modus operandi. Body, mind and emotion take only what they need.

Beyond healing the usual scuffs and bumps, more severe injuries such as loss of limb(s) can also be resolutely addressed. Through directed Magravs plasma, lost limbs can be re-grown and space-travel related genetic defects can be corrected.

Navigation, Control & Mapping Systems
Space travel involves superluminal and hyperluminal speeds approaching that of thought.

As such, current command-and-control systems and interfaces such as buttons, joysticks and the like are woefully inadequate for such speeds of travel.

With conscious Magravs plasma technology, captain-pilot-spaceship interfaces would function purely through thought.

Sensors, which monitor the surroundings and trajectory of the spaceship would also operate at thought-speed. As such, the influx of information and corresponding course-corrections can be effectively initiated without worry of slamming head-on into an asteroid.

The same technology can also be adapted to map celestial bodies such as asteroids, planets and stars.

Communication
As with navigation and control systems, it is crucial during space travel to maintain an always-open and zero-latency channel of communication, both between crews on geo-exploratory missions and the Mothership, as well as between the Mothership and Earth-based headquarters.

Such instantaneous channels of communication are natural with Magravs plasma technology. Since Magravs plasma is conscious, universally connected and omnipresent, sensors which interface with human thought can convey communications over vast distances instantaneously.

Capture & Towing Systems
In space, it would be necessary to stand ready to offer emergency assistance to others who may need it.

In the same way that Magravs plasma envelopes a spaceship in a bubble or barrier of plasma energy, the same barrier could be extended out to envelope another object.

Disabled spaceships could be towed to the nearest repair stations for corrective work. If that is not practical, then the disabled spaceship could be captured and brought into the rescuing spaceship for needed repairs and medical assistance for injured crew members.

Teleportation
The quickest way to travel between spaceships, and also between a spaceship and a planet, is via teleportation though a Magravs plasma portal.

Such portals would exist on spaceships and can be used as required.

Portable Magravs plasma portals could also be carried by crew doing geo-exploratory work as an efficient means of moving from one place to another on a planet."

I know this was pretty lengthy, but you asked for a simple explanation of what this was about and that it helps to make it somewhat more understandable and perhaps makes more sense. I'm sure some of this looks to be impossible, and I am personally not sure everything can be done as they say, but time will tell if most of these things are possible and feasible.

Since I have been researching this for a long time I know quite a bit about it and if anyone has questions I will be happy to share whatever I know about to any here.

As soon as the teaching session which is scheduled from the scientists in Ghana is available I will post the video here.

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[Divide by Zero]

Hey Richard,
I downloaded the video using flash downloader and was watching it, but I can't really get it. Even his drawings on the whiteboard seem half and half.

I'm not at all surprised you and others would have a lot of difficulty understanding what he is talking about and the drawings and such on the whiteboard. At this point in his teachings, it is expected that most people watching it would have an appreciable background regarding the science and technology being discussed. To come in cold into this is akin to a third grade student attempting to take a college level math class. One needs to have gone through the many learning steps to be able to grok what is being said.

I may not have a physics background but I can follow quantum experiments because they conform to a normal scientific standard of LOGIC. That is, a hypothesis gets TESTED and the DATA is what is critical. Maybe Ark or some other scientist can confirm this.

The parts I was trying to follow seemed quite a bit schizophrenic (if that is the right term??) where he wasn't consistent. In that case, I don't need to know HOW IT WORKS, but see it work. We've repeated this before, but do you see the problem? If he can't explain it to someone with a basic college level science background, he should instead SHOW IT. As I mentioned to you at a meetup, my boss is not too skilled with electrical/electronic things. So, when my co workers or I mention something we can do to fix or upgrade a system, he doesn't ask how it works, he just wants to see it work. That's going to be my position now if you just keep blaming my "lack of knowledge" about this. I just want to see it work because it would be amazing!

A skeptic in the stereotypical sense could be shown a working device, with proper basic testing (to eliminate "cheating") and still say it's impossible. I am not that kind of skeptic. Just like stoicism has been bastardized to mean "poor"/etc, skeptic has been bastardized to mean "non-believer". Science doesn't require a believer, just proof/data... which I still do not see.
The emperor says he has clothes, but I don't see any. Is it MY FAULT?

I'm sure he means well, but I don't think he is using proper objective scientific approach.

One thing that probably throws you off is that you are just not familiar with the terminology he uses, which since it is an entirely different understanding of how everything is actually constructed and operates, required him to develop new terms for this. If one is not familiar with the terms and the theory underlying what is said it no doubt makes everything unintelligible.

As far as proper scientific method, keep in mind the guy has a degree in nuclear power plant design and operation from Queen Mary College in England. It is pretty likely he learned the scientific method there. He has been working on these ideas for about 40 years. The work consisted of not only developing a theory as to how things are actually constructed and operate, but many years of experimentation and observation of the results of these experiments, which probably modified the original theory somewhat and provided data for more experiments and so on. Isn't that the actual basis for objective science?

No, a title does not make one competent. I know guys with electrical licenses that cannot explain half of what they do. When we have problems in the field, they can't understand why and can't help us troubleshoot. So, the obvytel workers figure it out and report back. This licensed engineer says "no way, that can't be". Who is the skeptic in this case? We saw it not working and were not believed.

As for the time, we have medical researchers looking for a cure for cancer for decades and they get nowhere. Why? Because their platform is closed, based on their own hubris and manipulation. I see a lot of hubris with Keshe. Maybe it's my emotional center speaking, like in the book Blink, sometimes it is more correct than our hopes tell us.

I hate to sound blunt, but what data? Objective means data, not ideas.

Maybe you can give a synopsis in a way that would be explaining it to Ark or some other scientist.
I don't want to debate the subjective aspects because we learned that in itself is a trap.

Well, it would be pretty hard to go through the video I posted and explain everything, but I will post below some info from the www.spaceshipinstitute.org/ site which gives a fairly brief description of what this science is all about and how it could be used in various applications.

"Humans have been focused on the physical aspect of life and now are starting to understand and embrace plasmatic science that explains the plasma energy system of the universe, our Sun, our Earth, our bodies, and each and every atom, plus each and every proton, neutron and electron. So you see – there isn’t ANY THING that doesn’t have a plasma field AND there isn’t ANY THING that isn’t in a plasma field.

<SNIP OF MORE STUFF>

I know this was pretty lengthy, but you asked for a simple explanation of what this was about and that it helps to make it somewhat more understandable and perhaps makes more sense. I'm sure some of this looks to be impossible, and I am personally not sure everything can be done as they say, but time will tell if most of these things are possible and feasible.

Since I have been researching this for a long time I know quite a bit about it and if anyone has questions I will be happy to share whatever I know about to any here.

As soon as the teaching session which is scheduled from the scientists in Ghana is available I will post the video here.

(edited - spelling)

It's not scientific to say these things, just because it sounds "science-y".

It's not saying anything, but an idea. I don't even need to see the formulas etc, just a test. A pain pen, is subjective, placebo effect- etc. Other inventions are too. Yet we don't have a simple box that can make the meter go slower or stop, because of other excuses. You see that is some kind of neurotic thing he does, instead of focus on the basics- a simple proof of concept, he sells you on teleportation etc. As much as I want this, it's still just words on a screen or a video.

I kind of wonder with all of the support Keshe has from governments/companies as you have told me, maybe he is spreading disinfo to the public in order to mislead them. It was a strategy during the cold war nuclear testing to throw off the Russians/etc. But, I think he is doing a really bad job because it's not even close to a normal scientific discussion.

Remember, science is not just techie stuff, but requires a framework so others can learn and share. Patents are another story, they don't have to go into detail about the science. You can patent a device that will never work, because the patent office doesn't verify it. Many companies 10+years ago patented crazy web ideas that were impossible at the time. When they were invented in the past few years, those companies went after the inventors. See what I mean about the patent issue?

I'm glad we can have this discussion on science because it addresses some things that either of us may be wrong about which can be exposed on the network.

edit: fix nested quotes