Reality Transurfing - Vadim Zeland

I just want to say from my own experience that it might be difficult to just say that you're just going to be positive from now on. What I've found is that having an aim and fairly good idea of what you want to do or where you want to place your focus based on the knowledge you have and the values you have set for yourself as a guiding principle, you simply say no energetically to anything that tries to vector you.
I attest to that. A brief anecdote: A few weeks ago I was somewhat depressed. I decided to make some changes and on a particular day I went out to buy supplies for my printers. Particularly that day I decided to maintain a positive attitude.

Charge the battery of my phone I put on my headphones and listened to music during the train trip to my destination. During the same I could feel how not only the depression was withdrawing, I also felt like it filled me with strength. I was happy. When I arrive at the station I leave the platform in the direction of the street, I was not well located, because I did not know the area. I saw a person standing alone looking at his smartphone, and asked him kindly if he could tell me where the avenue is where I was going. And here the attack: this person looked at me very very badly and said: Are you fuc*ing me? All said in the grossest way possible. I don't know how but I didn't lose my composure, and I said with absolute calm: Excuse me, sir, but I don't know the area. I simply told him the truth. This man replies: Ah, well that's different. The avenue is that. Me: Ok, thanks.

I kept walking towards my destination ... and what came next was horrible. Because in my chest I felt like a negative response to the event was accumulating. Imagine only that suddenly all you wanted was to come back and kick such a rude person. I decided that I would not do such a thing. I knew it would be a loss of ENERGY.
 

sid

Jedi Master
That must be it. What a great time to review that! Now I just want to say from my own experience that it might be difficult to just say that you're just going to be positive from now on. What I've found is that having an aim and fairly good idea of what you want to do or where you want to place your focus based on the knowledge you have and the values you have set for yourself as a guiding principle, you simply say no energetically to anything that tries to vector you. Whether just someone else's drama or someone trying to get you to agree with them, or pull you into a confrontation etc. You don't have to fight them verbally or otherwise, you just sort of draw a line in the sand and refocus your attention where you want it.

So that's kind of the best I can describe it.
We could add that the Organic Portals act as useful machinery parts for these pendulums. They are everywhere and around us swinging along with bigger pendulums trying to drag us into their vibrational frequencies. Think of all these new age movements- MeToo, LGBT, protests, climate activism and extensive coverage of natural disasters and disease spreads. This on top of various “breads and circuses” for each and every sector of human populace. They are all pendulums of similar vibrational patterns to vector and drag souled individuals and STO candidates towards STS realities via OPs as levers.
 

Mike

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
I listened to about the first 25 minutes of the MindMatters show 'Living the Good Life - The Stoic Way' today. This discussion about Pendulums and the session Thornbiorn posted after Laura mentioned it I think highlights how the Stoic philosophy in terms of identifying and controlling your emotions and what you think about and find valuable in life via observing yourself and using the mind and intellect as the tool to do so can be very valuable to study. It seems like a practical philosophy for everyday life and in relation to this discussion. And I think it speaks to having control and discipline in your life via the only means we have at our disposal and control of on the personal level. This is how we react to and think about any given stimulus or situation, which then feeds into how we feel overall and how we act in life. And we can use that as the means to cut off 4D STS (ie Pedulums) as mentioned in the C's session and discussion with Terry.

Edit Added: In terms of current day happenings, we can even look at the Coronavirus and a lot of the fears, hysteria, etc being generated by it as possibly the action of a major Pendulum on some level. I know in years past for similar events I would be all worked up and anxious about it (and probably a smorgasbord for 4D STS) and now try to keep more of a level head and look at what I can control.

 
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Jones

Dagobah Resident
FOTCM Member
So, basically in an STS world, we can't avoid pendulums. We have to interact with them. It seems as though the difference between judgement and discernment is important. Judgement comes from either a place of negative feeling or a sense of superiority or inferiority - and that strengthens the destructive influence of the pendulum - either feeding it or joining it in some way. Discernment on the other hand recognises and categorises differences for the best benefit of making good choices supporting aims, but without feeling negative about them or either superior or inferior. Then, it's not like the pendulum goes away, but it's ability to have a destructive influence is weakened because it is dependent on negative feelings or superiority or inferiority.

The trap is the new age twist on concentrating on the positive to the degree that you cannot discern and categorise the differences and nuances between things, people, events etc,
 

seek10

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
here is one quote that depicts the orientation he is taking
Whenever you feel the slightest sense of awe for the world of your dream, drive the feeling out of your mind. Outer and inner importance are obstacles on the path to unity of heart and mind. This is your world and there is nothing in it that is unavailable to you. The world of your dream should be joyful and at the same time commonplace. When something is yours it seems unremarkable and has an everyday quality to it, so in order to attune yourself to a life line that corresponds to your dream you have to feel as if you already had it. You are consciously playing a game not just kidding yourself.

There is no better example of the will to have than the new Russian billionaires who are now more numerous in Russia than in the enveloped countries of the west. During perestroika at the end of the nineteen eighties, certain lightweight politicians decided that a socialist economy could immediately be transformed into a market economy if everything were to be privatised. Those who understood the significance of the moment and happened to be right next to the feed box got rich straight away without any particular effort or man-power. Everything that had belonged to the state during the socialist epoch such as oil, gas, gold and diamonds etc, as well as various natural, industrial and intellectual resources instantly became the property of a small handful of oligarchs. What had been common property now belonged to a small handful, who had never studied business management unlike the real, billionaires who had to actually earn their millions. All those who found themselves close to the feed box had to do was put their hand out, shout: “Mine!” and then seal it with a legal document.

On what basis did property that was previously common come to be owned by this elite group of individuals? This period in Russia’s history is of course unique, but there were many other talented people around at the time, who ended up with nothing; so why these few? The individuals who finally reaped the resources, were the ones who gave themselves the permission to have. The newfound wealthy few suffered no feelings of guilt, qualms of conscience, doubt or sense of inferiority. They did not consider themselves in any way undeserving and it never occurred to them to feel guilty for shopping in expensive boutiques. They had the will to have and so dispassionate outer intention gave them what they wanted; and yet you would find this approach implausible!
Even though he talks of "heart" as soul and when mind and heart are in synch magic happens, he some how doesn't talk much about conscience. His focus seems to be getting rid of negative emotions as he considers them part of "Pendulums" and very rarely links conscience to the spirit.
 

Anthony

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
I continued reading after chapter IX. Some parts are troubling, for instance he claims that orienting your life towards service to others is not something that is good for the "heart" because the "heart" only cares for satisfying it's whims, I personally felt sickened by that part of the book. He then talks about importance of maintaining energy levels, energy vampires, maintaining health and so on. There is not much of interest there IMO, since he covers the topics superficially compared to this forum.

Something of interest is his take on receivership capabilty, and what we would understand as external considering in Chapter XII:

Abandon the intention of receiving; replace it with the intention of
giving, and you will receive the very thing you gave up.

Allow others to realise their inner intention.

As a rule people are so consumed with what they want to get from others that
they do not bother to find out what those other people want.

Imagine a woman who is itching to get married but for reasons she
cannot understand her husband is resisting and fobbing her off with
excuses. Working with inner intention the woman focuses all her thoughts
on trying to persuade her partner to get married. Pressuring him will not
resolve the situation and she will end up creating excess potential with her
powerful desire and the importance she attributes to getting married. As a
result, balanced forces will no doubt steal her loved one away. So what was
the problem? Maybe her partner was not committed to the relationship or
was no longer in love with her? Of course not. The woman transformed
their love relationship into a dependent relationship making marriage the
deal-breaker: “If you loved me you would agree to marry me”.
For outer intention to work the woman would have to let go of her
attachment to persuade her partner to marry her and ask herself: what does
a man look for in a marriage? The answer is not difficult to find. He
undoubtedly wants to know that his needs will be met and that he will feel
loved, valued, respected and admired etc. If the woman were to direct her
energy towards helping him meet these needs she would not only meet her
own goal but would succeed in having her own similar needs met.


When someone is talking to you what they need
most is for you to give them your attention and show an interest in them as
a person. You can be quite certain that people are exclusively interested in
themselves, so be interested in them too. Shift your attention from
yourself to others. Activate your Guardian and stop playing the game of
enhancing your own self-worth. Play the game of increasing the
significance of others. Show an interest in other people, listen to what they
have to say and observe. You do not need to curry their favour, just go with
the flow. As soon as you shift your attention from self to others the excess
potential of your own importance will fade automatically.


When you are talking to someone and displaying an interest in them do
it with sincerity.
 
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From what I have been reading in this thread, Vadim's books seemed interesting, until one could see where the road turned.

I have not had the opportunity to read all Laura's books. (I just started high strangeness) but I wonder, it will not be possible to fill in the gaps and put the correct information with the information received so far and the good analysis of the group? In a manual format, or guide, with its glossary (like casswiki) I understand that a book like Vadim's is usually attractive because it somehow manages to bring down concepts that may be too abstract for the common people.

I know that to complex questions there can be no simple answers, but a compendium, a dictionary and finally the links can be joined.
 

whitecoast

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
I'm starting chapter 5 or 6 now, and i see a lot in this book that is "not even wrong." It would take a long time to dissect each sentence that I found caveats with and so on, but one of the chief findings I can distill is that he thinks that all pendulums operate with negative energy dynamics. I don't think that is the case in every situation. I've noticed and felt life streams before and the organization of certain lessons in life-- clusters of synchronicities, repetitions and reenactments of previous lessons and programs, etc.-- and I think being able to construe all pendulums as negative emotion vortices that suck you in really seems to shortchange the deeper issue that is going on. In reality there are all the types of programs and dynamics we get stuck in as a result of our limitations and lack of knowledge and awareness. All there is is lessons. Zendar's conceit seems to be he thinks he's smart enough to draw lines around what these phase-space attractors are.

If you read the book Amazing Grace, it's clear there is a definite cryptogeographic phenomenon guiding Laura through various life lessons to hone and develop her wisdom. Tons of negative emotional dynamics too for sure, but I feel like Zendar would draw lines around these and say, "if you achieve inner detachment from all of this you shall be left alone". I feel like if Laura ended up doing this at any point a billboard would have fallen on her head. To me there are much deeper and higher influences going on from our higher self and the DCM, and to think that we can just turn away from our mission and lessons (or pendulums if you *really* want to call them that) without consequnces to achieve some mock detachment and sagacity is just really silly.

That being said I think there is value to be had in his recommendation of using emotional acceptance to discharge some of these pendulums or lessons. Some of the mechanics surrounding pendulums can just as easily be described using polyvagal theory. The nity grity nuances of what emotion or state attracts what in the earlier chapters were just kind of all over the place. The book First Sight by James Carpenter I think does a much more rigorous investigation about the specific types of emotional states and influences that drive particular ESP or PK events. Since transfuring would qualify as a PK event, I feel like Carpenter's notions of PSI subjects and objects signing perceptions or transmissions as either positive or negative has a lot to say about how attracting certain events actually works.

I'm also reminded of a quote from The Wave, I'm not sure where exactly, but when a quoted individual hears that focusing on negative events can give them energy, s/he responds that that is true, BUT there is also a way to focus on a negative event in such a way that it decreases its power. Laura's interpetation of that exchange was that paying attention to reality and the negative does not feed negative outcomes. As I said above, saying so unilaterally makes a lot of assumptions about what type of lesson you are presented with.

On the other hand, maybe Chapters 7 through 8 will knock my socks off...
 

goyacobol

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
I'm also reminded of a quote from The Wave, I'm not sure where exactly, but when a quoted individual hears that focusing on negative events can give them energy, s/he responds that that is true, BUT there is also a way to focus on a negative event in such a way that it decreases its power. Laura's interpetation of that exchange was that paying attention to reality and the negative does not feed negative outcomes. As I said above, saying so unilaterally makes a lot of assumptions about what type of lesson you are presented with.
@whitecoast ,

I think acknowledgement of reality whether negative or positive is important for our own protection. Ignoring what we consider to be negative could be dangerous but on the other hand, focusing too much on the negative can also put us into negative thought loops and depression leading to a distorted sense of reality.

I am not sure which part of the Wave you are thinking about but recently there is:

Session 18 May 2010:
Q: (L) Well, alright... I've made a list. To protect oneself against hyperdimensional manipulations and harm, I'd say one of the primary things is to avoid dissociating.

A: Yes.

Q: (Artemis) And don't feed negative thought loops.

(L) Yeah, if you're dissociating, number one is you're in a fantasy, which is not paying attention to reality. Number two, you're having negative thoughts and getting into negative thought loops. That seems to me to be one of the most important. Am I right on that?

A: Indeed!
 

thorbiorn

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
It seems to me that not giving STS what it is after is a useful idea and it is, in fact, something that the Cs discussed at some point in the early days with Terry. I can't think of a keyword right at the moment that would help me retrieve the session.
In the session from 10 February, 2018, there is a line reading: "In 1994 in one of the sessions, the C's said one can have only positive emotions if one chooses to.", appearing as part of a question. The quoted line refers to the session excerpt quoted on page seven of this thread. In the session from 10 February, 2018, there are also exchanges about PK, about the function of our brain, how some patters can be rectified through neurofeedback and the reading of certain books to assist if possible the development of receivership capability. I think the suggestions contained in this session are genuinely helpful when it comes to bringing oneself into a situation where one does not give the STS what they are after. Since the excerpt is long, I have chosen to select a few short quotes followed by the longer excerpt.
Q: (Chu) About the book: “Healing Developmental Trauma”... We were discussing it earlier, and pretty much everybody seems to have some connection issue regardless of the survival style they developed. One possibility is that people need that as part of the "life plan" in this reality so that they suffer and then learn on a sort of fast track. And/or the other possibility is there is some kind of interference from hyperdimensional 4D STS beings to generate more suffering.

A: Why not some of both in some cases? And not to forget "past life" influences.
In relation to the above, when we consciously choose to have positive emotion, but encounter obstacles it may be due to other issues that need to be understood or outside influence.
Q: (L) One thing I noticed about this last little set of books that I ended up on by following my nose... It was like following bread crumbs. I ended up with this Samenow, and then the Developmental Trauma book. It seems to me that these two approaches, which pretty much focus on making the changes in the now and not so much focusing on what's wrong, are probably the most practical expressions of what we have been calling The Work - as in Gurdjieffian stuff – that we’ve ever encountered. It's like we've gone through book after book after book, each one adding a bit to the picture. But this has brought it down to such a simple, practical level that almost nobody can miss it. My feeling is that something very profound is going to come out of this particular little experiment that we're doing.

A: Indeed. All in your group should read these books in order to jump start the necessary processes for achieving receivership capability. Those who have been blocked up to the present will find unblocking therein if they are able to receive.
L: [...] maybe the belief that one needs to cultivate - if any - is the belief in unlimited possibilities AND also in the benevolence of the universe and the process. Maybe that's what it is?

A: Yes yes yes!
(L) And I think that comes back in a funny sort of way to this “Healing Developmental Trauma” book.One of the problems of early trauma is that children come to believe that the universe is not a safe place or it's scary. They just get completely wrong ideas which lead to thought errors. That's something that's preverbal…

(Pierre) And very limiting.

(L) And those are the kinds of things that probably the neurofeedback can fix more easily than anything else because those are things that produce certain brain waves that persist over time. There's no other way to get to them because you can't TALK your way through something that's preverbal! You can get into some kind of body therapy and spend years with a therapist, but why do that when you can just go directly and change the brain waves? And if you change brain waves, the brain's going to change. Right?

A: Yes yes yes!
The session begins with points about PK which also reveals something about the structure of our reality.
Q: (L) What is the date? It is the 10th of February, 2018. The usual suspects are here. I wonder if doing this brain training stuff is going to give us brain powers? Ya know, I have this solitaire game. It's the old XP version, and when you win, the cards all bounce down to the bottom of the screen. To me, that's SO satisfying. They come down in three configurations: with white sides, grey sides, or with black along the sides. So, I'm always counting how many black ones come down because it's kinda like a...

(Artemis) An OCD game!

(L) Well, no, it's like...

(Ark) It's rare.

(L) Yeah, the black ones are rare. So I'm always trying to predict how many black ones are going to come. And sometimes I experiment with trying to increase the number of black ones but never had much success. Well, after my second neurofeedback session, I was able to make them be black to the point where I got EIGHT of them. The average out of 52 cards is like four that are black. That's usual. I was able to get eight of them, and one day I got NINE!

(Pierre) So if you get 10 that is incontestable proof that you have special brain power?

(L) I think getting 8 was incontrovertible proof! And I've been playing this silly game for years! At least since we came to France 14 years ago...

(Pierre) You can ask the C's. Does neurofeedback lead to special brain powers?

(Joe) Specifically in relation to solitaire from Windows XP... [laughter]

(L) Well, I dunno... Maybe it just reflects your brain state?

(Pierre) So, when you're relaxed you get more black cards?

(L) Yeah. Well... Hello? Is anybody there? We've been chitchatting.

A: Fioineae Cassiopaea future genetic coder.

Q: (Artemis) You're going to code us or something like that?

A: Close

Q: (Artemis) So you're like the future Scottie or Mikey?

A: Close

Q: (L) Does that mean that there is information in our genes that is being sent back to the past from the future?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Well, that's pretty interesting. I was just talking about this neurofeedback thing and that I noticed some sort of feedback effect from the solitaire game on my computer. I was able to not only induce certain phenomena at the end of the game, but after the second session of the neurofeedback, I was winning twice as many games as normal. Is that an effect of neurofeedback, that it enhances that kind of brain power?

A: For some, yes.

Q: (Artemis) Epic winning!

(Pierre) So it means you need some kind of pre-existing skills? Some people even if they do neurofeedback, they won't attain such results...

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) So what is so special in Laura that makes her have an influence on random events like the color of the cards?

A: Born that way.

Q: (Artemis) Maybe she's born with it...

(Andromeda) Maybe it's Maybelline!

A: Genetic endowment for PK.

Q: (Andromeda) Like an X-man.

(Pierre) So, they say PK, psychokinesis. PK is not limited to solitaire.

A: Yes

Q: (Artemis) And there have been really weird times where I was looking for something in my room, and I realized I was holding it in my hand and I know I wasn't holding it before. I was weirded out by that, and I think it's related maybe.

A: It is genetic coding.

Q: (L) Okay, what questions do we have?

(Pierre) I still don't understand this coding thing... They mentioned it already when we asked about this gravity game. They said that the girls were unconsciously decoding, and now we talk about a similar topic: PK. And again, they talk about coding. Genetic coding... Is there like a... What is coded, and what is decoded?

(Artemis) Are we code benders?

(Joe) The last code bender.

A: Codes express as waves of energy.

Q: (Artemis) Think of it like the Matrix when he sees the code of the Matrix and affects it. Something like that.

(L) So they say express... Codes are information. They are stored as information. They express as energy. So, if that's the case, then would gravity be like the ultimate code or the ultimate information, and electromagnetism an expression of information?

A: Yes

(Pierre) So, if codes are involved in PK, and codes express as waves of energy, does it mean that in this world that PK is based on some energetic phenomena?

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) Well, that's very blurry to me. When someone does some PK stuff, what happens to the energy? What is particular to a non-PK event? Is the energy compressed, distorted, twisted...

(L) What are you talking about? PK vs non-PK event?

(Pierre) At a distance I move this crystal. There is PK between the experiencer and the item. Energetically, what is going on? That's my question.

A: Information is being sent.

Q: (Pierre) Information is being sent by the individual to the item - in an energetic form?

A: Yes like a phone call.

Q: (Pierre) It's electromagnetic, and then...

(L) It gets decoded. So, next question?

(Artemis) Pierre is still curious... [laughter] So, this information that's being sent, it's like light being sent essentially, yes?

A: Close

Q: (Chu) About the book: “Healing Developmental Trauma”... We were discussing it earlier, and pretty much everybody seems to have some connection issue regardless of the survival style they developed. One possibility is that people need that as part of the "life plan" in this reality so that they suffer and then learn on a sort of fast track. And/or the other possibility is there is some kind of interference from hyperdimensional 4D STS beings to generate more suffering.

A: Why not some of both in some cases? And not to forget "past life" influences.


Q: (L) One thing I noticed about this last little set of books that I ended up on by following my nose... It was like following bread crumbs. I ended up with this Samenow, and then the Developmental Trauma book. It seems to me that these two approaches, which pretty much focus on making the changes in the now and not so much focusing on what's wrong, are probably the most practical expressions of what we have been calling The Work - as in Gurdjieffian stuff – that we’ve ever encountered. It's like we've gone through book after book after book, each one adding a bit to the picture. But this has brought it down to such a simple, practical level that almost nobody can miss it. My feeling is that something very profound is going to come out of this particular little experiment that we're doing.

A: Indeed. All in your group should read these books in order to jump start the necessary processes for achieving receivership capability. Those who have been blocked up to the present will find unblocking therein if they are able to receive.

Q: (L) So, you're suggesting that those who read and can take it on board... We've seen that happening! People are reading it, and they're REALLY getting it. Some people who have not really understood what it means when you say that your own mind can be your enemy, are finally getting it when they learn about thought errors, that emotions follow thoughts, and so on. I think it's also true that thoughts can be generated by emotions, but you can control your emotions with your thinking.

(Pierre) For some members, the realizations are very visceral. It's deeply felt, and not just an intellectual exercise.

(L) Yeah. Well, Jonathan Haidt talks about the mind-body system as a rider on an elephant. The emotions are the elephant, and the conscious mind is the rider. He gives a fairly bleak representation of this as though no rider is ever going to really be able to control the elephant. But if you follow the Samenow and the Work method along with the Pauline stoic method of dealing with your elephant, you can actually maybe grow your rider to the point where he's bigger and stronger. You can maybe give him some tools with which to control that elephant. Is that in fact the case?

A: Yes

Q: (L) The Developmental Trauma book talks about how you have to have knowledge of what's going on. That's the top-down thing. You have to know your survival style and your thinking errors so you can watch for those. At the same time, people who have been going along with these thinking errors for a long time, or those who developed thinking errors in response to a specific situation as they were growing up, also have an elephant that's kind of spring-loaded to be fractious and unresponsive to guidance and direction. That's where the bottom-up treatment comes from. It seemed to me that the neurofeedback was probably the most efficacious way because it helps to calm the brain down so that the rider of the elephant has a chance to grow and develop.

(Pierre) Yeah, and if I understand correctly, neurofeedback prevents this shift into sympathetic mode where the elephant gets all the power; once you've shifted into sympathetic mode, it's uncontrollable.

(L) Yeah, it's the amygdala hijack.

A: Good analogy.

Q: (L) You mean the rider and the elephant?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Okay. Is it possible for us to grow our rider and give him tools to better control the elephant? Is it possible?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Haidt makes it sound so bleak... It's like you're NEVER going to get control of that elephant.

(Pierre) Well, it's not black and white. He says you can nudge it a bit here and a bit there.

(L) Okay, what else?

(Mikey) My question is along the same lines. In 1994 in one of the sessions, the C's said one can have only positive emotions if one chooses to. And then they brought in the connection with the belief center. I would like to know if it's useful to develop the belief center because they also said that most power necessary to alter our physicality and reality lies in the belief center. That sounds like something that's interesting. Is it something for us to work on? And how to do it? Is belief something that's true, or something that's an illusion?

(L) Didn't Joe ask something like that in a previous session?

(Joe) You have to get rid of all of your beliefs and then you can change reality if you don't have any limiting beliefs. You have to be completely open, and then you can maybe read from the information field or something. And then you might be able to change something.

(L) It's like getting rid of expectations or assumptions about how things are going to be.

(Joe) Because they're limiting, and you don't have the whole banana. It's just not how it works. People think they're going to change reality like by a light beam coming out of my head and I can change anything I want. But it seems to be more like a 2-way process where you engage with something else. You have to get in tune with something that already exists that's objectively real in order to manifest that potential for change. It's not like you can just dream up anything and make it happen. Right?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Well, they said the power for changing reality lies in the belief center of the mind. But then they also said something about emotions. Emotions that are limiting, and then emotions that help to progress... So, maybe the belief that one needs to cultivate - if any - is the belief in unlimited possibilities AND also in the benevolence of the universe and the process. Maybe that's what it is?

A: Yes yes yes!


Q: (Joe) The other phrase was that the one thing you have to do before transitioning to 4D is to think in completely unlimited terms. That doesn't mean you have to be able to think of everything that exists, but...

(L) You have to be open.

(Joe) Right, no expectations. That means getting rid of your hard and fast beliefs about things.

(L) And I think that comes back in a funny sort of way to this “Healing Developmental Trauma” book. One of the problems of early trauma is that children come to believe that the universe is not a safe place or it's scary. They just get completely wrong ideas which lead to thought errors. That's something that's preverbal…

(Pierre) And very limiting.

(L) And those are the kinds of things that probably the neurofeedback can fix more easily than anything else because those are things that produce certain brain waves that persist over time. There's no other way to get to them because you can't TALK your way through something that's preverbal! You can get into some kind of body therapy and spend years with a therapist, but why do that when you can just go directly and change the brain waves? And if you change brain waves, the brain's going to change. Right?

A: Yes yes yes!

Q: (Mikey) So, the trick is to get rid of the negative beliefs, and then find positive beliefs and everything should sort out, right?

(Artemis) No

(Joe) No, not positive beliefs.

(Andromeda) Beliefs are limiting.

(Joe) Any fixed, hard core beliefs. Think about all the books we’ve read. It's not that we're gathering information, but instead that we're discovering that all the things we thought we knew are wrong. Just the information in those books that you read that supplants the more limited beliefs, that gives you a broader perspective on things. But that's still not the whole truth. No matter how many books you read, you can never say, "I know this for sure!" So, the process of learning is about getting rid of stuff related to limiting beliefs.

(Pierre) What I understand from this discussion is that the healthy beliefs are the unlimiting beliefs, but...

(L) Why believe anything?

(Pierre) Yes; beliefs by definition ARE limiting. If you don't believe this, then you believe that. So, I guess unlimited beliefs is sort of a transcending of the very notion of belief. It's going beyond beliefs.

A: Become like little children...

Q: (Artemis) Inquisitive, but without bias or beliefs.

(L) And adventurous, open to experience, and not formed up with any beliefs. And one hopes that it's a little child that has not been developmentally traumatized! [laughter]

(Chu) I think it comes down to what the books say, really, which is that if you're in the present, you stop having the wrong beliefs. Instead of living in the past, you're in a state where you're curious again. So, it is a positive emotion in the end, but it's not the positive emotions as we normally understand them with all the wishful thinking that goes along with them.

(Andromeda) Right.

(Chu) It's like let's live life as an experiment, and...

(L) Like, "This is interesting to see what happens next..."

(Andromeda) But you still have the ability to feel negative emotions as a response to something that happens. Which would be proper.

(Pierre) A lot of PK events or paranormal events involve children. And children, compared to adults, have less of those limiting beliefs. Therefore, they can connect and experience a wider range of events.

(Artemis) So basically, neurofeedback plus reading will help people increase their receivership capability...

(L) If they apply what they read...

(Artemis) ...will help them become conduits for positive forces in the universe.

A: Yes

Q: (L) Well, I was just really pretty amazed by my little computer card game. The funny thing was that I was playing around with it. If I TRIED to control it, it blocked it.

(Pierre) So what was your state of mind?

(L) Just open and watching, like, "Well, how many is it going to do?"

(Pierre) But there was an interest.

(L) There was attentiveness, interest, curiosity, and just...

(Chu) Like a child.

(Pierre) Did you want more black cards?

(L) I wanted more black ones, yes.

(Pierre) So there was an intention. But it wasn't forceful.

(L) No. It was just, "I like black ones! How many are there going to be?? How many?"

(Joe) That's a good thing to use because you've no way of deciding how it's going to happen. You don't know how the computer picks it. But in other areas, you think you know how something should actually happen, and you try to influence it directly like, "It's going to happen like THIS..." But the process inside the computer, it just happens. So, you're just left with the manifestation of a thing flipping one way or another or being one color or another. It's easier to do it with things like that than it is with things where you know how they work or how they should happen.

(Andromeda) Or you have a belief about how it SHOULD be...

(L) That's where so many people get blocked. They decide how something should be.

(Pierre) It's false beliefs. A lot of people consider what the computer generates to be random.

(L) I think computers are very sensitive to psychic and mental energy.

(Pierre) It's electricity.

(Ark) I have a question about PK. So, the following experiment has been done: Computer was generating random numbers like this. It was simulating coins. Zero or one. So, it generated it, and this was recorded on a tape. When there was, say, a zero, it was recorded as a sound in left ear, and if it was one, it was recorded as a sound in the right ear. So, you can listen to it. So, the computer generated this, and recorded these sounds. There were two tapes. One copy was recorded off the first tape, so there were two tapes. Then, a few days later, one of these tapes was given to a person, and this person was supposed to listen to the tape and supposed to wish more sounds, say, on the right ear. And it was successful! But the tapes were recorded DAYS before!

(Pierre) Retro PK?

(Ark) Yes, retro PK. Can it happen?

A: Yes

Q: (L) So there is no time.

(Ark) No time? For questioning? [laughter]

(L) No, the retro PK violates time or something.

(Ark) Yeah. So, there is a theory which talks about wave functions. So all possibilities are open until a consciousness chooses to collapse the wave the way it is. So, until this person was hearing the sounds, it was not yet recorded - even it was supposedly recorded already. There were still possibilities of being recorded this way or that way. And this person collapses the possibilities into one thing. Is it the approximate way?

A: Bingo! Is the cat alive or dead?

Q: (Joe) In that experiment, the random numbers generated noises on a tape without anybody hearing it, right?

(Ark) Yeah. No one was listening.

(L) So what are we going to do if this kind of stuff comes into play with our neurofeedback?

(Artemis) It already has!!

A: Watch out for many anomalies!

Q: (L) Okay. Next question?
 

beetlemaniac

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I could have explained better what I mean by confused. Since joining the Forum I feel I am always on catch up. Many of the books I have read were understood, especially those on psychopathy. Others were more difficult and I now know I need to reread and to reread slowly to fully digest.

This is where I wondered if adding a questionable book(from the point of view of discerning new phraseology) to the list would be counterproductive at the moment.
I was also worried about the same thing, but I decided to go ahead and listen to the audiobook while on a long drive back home today. I was pleasantly surprised by the first few chapters but I maintained a distance as much as I could and tried to discern the points that were useful and that were less useful that could be somewhat questionable. I tend towards wishful thinking when I read / listen to this type of material but it seems to also have the effect of lifting my spirits up somewhat, so I have to find that balance between hope and optimism and critical thinking. It reminds me a bit of the Joe Dispenza material which also uses quantum scientific concepts and frequency to put forward the idea that thoughts can influence our reality. Which I don't doubt that they inevitably can, but I suppose the more attuned we are to objective reality, the more effective this can be?

Thanks for re-posting the Session @thorbiorn, it was a really relevant and valuable reminder.

I assume that getting rid of limiting beliefs is the key to being able to see that new reality that we are looking to enter. Without those false beliefs, judgments about what people/things should be like. This could then be replaced by a reliance on a Stoic mode of functioning, as we gain capability of making connections between ideas and the people in our lives as a function of seeing reality as it is, rather than as we love or hate or however our beliefs tell us it SHOULD be. Kind of reminds me again of the First Initiation.

I'm not sure if many of our members have experienced PK, but I have had notably a feeling in my body that seems to correspond with effects on the electrical things in my environment. It has been a terrible pain because most of the effects are negative - like the expression of an underlying frustration manifesting as things breaking down and failing. It's painful how it seems I'm working at cross-purposes with myself and my work constantly, but I suppose it's a process of working through the inner conflicts that I have with reality.

An electrical failure recently happened where I work which literally frightened me to death because I seem to be fairly sure that I was the cause of it. It's not possible to know for sure, and that's true for anything anomalous. However, constant vigilance is needed and much self-control as well, at least that's what I learnt from the recent incident that took place.

Good things have also happened where I have been hoping for a chance to improve my much neglected engineering knowledge base and it came about as a fortuitous meeting with a very talented and knowledgeable electrical engineer. However it was only a short meeting and I am left unsure and a little bereft about what to do next. I also wonder whether the existence of that person in my vicinity stimulated that thought (through the information field?) about improving my knowledge that led to the intention and that led to meeting him. In any case improvement of knowledge can be done at any time with all the material available on the net, so I could consider him a catalyst for my own further learning and development.

There was a great article regarding how to change your own reality through your choices - be them internally via your thoughts and intentions, or by external direct action. I however think that in all things "creating your own reality" needs to be treated carefully as there can be a tendency to hold on too tightly to how we think things should be and become rigid in our intentions. I don't know - still trying to figure out what I really want but I also think that it's better to have an idea of a goal in mind rather than being aimless. It provides a rudder for you to navigate a complicated reality so you're not as easily blown this way or that.


I'm reminded of Ark's quote to forget about what we "should" be doing, ie. externally imposed actions and behaviors, and focus on what we want to accomplish in this life, even if it takes several lifetimes, and not to beat ourselves up if we fail, or to regret, worry and fret over said mistakes, and to love ourselves as the universe would want us to do. But I think it is up to us what we choose to do, and it is good to start somewhere even if we're a bit unsure of it at the start, that's just my thinking right now.
 

beetlemaniac

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I am also thinking that signs could also be giving you information about whether your intentions are right for you or not? Like a feedback system to let you know where you should be focusing your energies better. There comes that word "should" again. But for a person with a stubborn mind, it could well be something that's needed to correct their course in life. Still learning...

Thanks @Altair for posting those summaries. I was working on doing Chapter 2 for a while but I lacked the time to finish it and wasn't sure what to keep and what to leave out. Still trying to work on how to prioritize my time as well, there's a lot to do and focus on these days mainly involving learning and keeping in touch with the relationships with people in my personal social circle as well. Life is not just about work though it is a big part. Treading more carefully and lightly and smelling the roses along the way is also good advice, I think.
 

goyacobol

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listened to about the first 25 minutes of the MindMatters show 'Living the Good Life - The Stoic Way' today. This discussion about Pendulums and the session Thornbiorn posted after Laura mentioned it I think highlights how the Stoic philosophy in terms of identifying and controlling your emotions and what you think about and find valuable in life via observing yourself and using the mind and intellect as the tool to do so can be very valuable to study.
Thanks, @Mike. That show was really thought-provoking in a good way. I think it helps in a deeper way than thinking everyone is just getting caught up in "pendulums" that are defined rather vaguely. The pendulum concept doesn't seem to have a very strong underlying foundation. Choices can go with a flow or even create one but helping others know how to make those choices is more important I think.

After watching that video I watched another MindMatters video that gives a more in-depth view of what Gurdjieff was trying to achieve and it kind of fits with this discussion although in maybe a more indirect way. Those guys really work well together I think.

Who was G.I? Gurdjieff And Why Does It Matter?
 

Mike

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I was reminded of this discussion about this book and the author when reading this exchange about Gurdjieff last night. I’ve bolded some things that stood out when thinking about the discussion in this thread.

It seems the author is smart and has observed life and things closely, similar to Gurdjieff, but is missing major understandings and a possibly a network. It also, from what I gather from other's comments here and I’m going to read the book at some point, is missing the altruistic element and element of spirit and what you actually do with the information to be of a benefit to mankind. And that due to this can actually set you on more of a path of STS, as OutSky has pointed out.


14 Oct 2017 said:
(L) Recently, I read some works by R.G. Collingwood, _The Idea of History_, which was kind of the philosophy of history and of thought. And then his kind of main philosophy called _Speculum Mentis_. It's more like just pure philosophy. It struck me that he presented a far more interesting interpretation of reality, as in the material world vs. the world of thought, information vs. matter, in almost a way similar to what Gurdjieff did except that his {Collingwood's} was better and more self-consistent.

Following reading this book, I read this hermeneutic examination of Gurdjieff's work, which was in a way rather disturbing. On the one hand, I could kind of understand Gurdjieff, but on the other hand the book was very disturbing - especially since I had just previously read about half of another book that was kind of written to tear Gurdjieff apart. I didn't finish that one because I was so upset at the guy's efforts to demean Gurdjieff, or so it seemed to me. So I quit reading it.

Nevertheless, the facts that this book that I didn't read all of put into place in terms of all of the controversies about Gurdjieff's life, the fact that various people had gone to investigate many of his claims and so forth, and essentially, nothing he ever wrote - for example in Meetings with Remarkable Men, or things he told people about his past - could possibly have been true; or if it was true, it was only a seed of truth here and there; the end result being that basically, his whole life was a lie!

I found that extremely distressing because it just seemed to me that something based on so many lies, even if people try to excuse him by saying he was trying to do a good thing and he had a specific purpose and he was maneuvering people or whatever for their own good, the fact is that he told SO MANY LIES even to his closest confidants. So how can something based on so many lies serve as a foundation for other people to build a Work on? This is one part of my question.

And the other part is that not only was his life, his doings, and his supposed quest a lie in the terms he described it, but it turns out that many of the things that he presented as his teaching were pretty much made up out of his head though he claimed it was an ancient tradition. I mean, for example, the Enneagram and the system of hydrogens and so on and so forth. What struck me after reading Collingwood was that Gurdjieff got caught in this trap that Collingwood writes about: the trap of the scientific thought that prevailed at that particular point in history.

It wasn't that scientific thought was wrong or that science didn't proceed, but that Gurdjieff didn't understand it completely and he got caught by it and tried to make a so-called "scientific" system. He had his scientific Enneagram, and his scientific table of hydrogens, and his so-called scientific exercises for self-development all claimed to be an ancient system that he was bringing back to the world from his adventures. And it was all just Gurdjieff experimenting on people based on a really distorted view of the world, or the cosmos, and of reality.

This, in a sense, explains why his... How do I want to say it? It explains why his groups are so barren. They are barren. You don't see them talking about anything that really makes a difference in even their own lives. They sit around and have these meetings and they're silent and supposedly observing themselves; they practice movements and so on. And they achieve nothing if William Patrick Patterson is anything to go by. And they do nothing for society. A person who achieves some kind of enlightenment or development - if he's not sharing or doing something towards the people around him or humanity or the universe, just being a good workman for the universe in whatever way it's possible for him to be - then what's the point of it? It's a barren system!

So, having said all of that, you once said that Gurdjieff's Enneagram system was something like 50% correct. Does anybody remember it?

(Andromeda) I don't remember it exactly, but I know what you're talking about.

(L) So, I would like to know in what sense is this Enneagram a useful tool?

A: Even lies have a bit of truth. Gurdjieff used his imagination and mediums to construct his system. In a project of that sort, it is not unusual to get some truth. Otherwise it would make no sense at all! The Enneagram system is accurate enough for 3rd density systems with no input from awareness.

Q: (Joe) No input of awareness from people, or... Just a cold reading of someone.

(L) So the Enneagram is kind of the way the mechanical system works.

(Joe) No input from the person, and no input from people who might know the person...

(L) I think they're talking about the Enneagram being 3rd density systems.

(Joe) Okay.

(Pierre) The Enneagram the way the C's define it finally, is similar to the whole cosmogony that Gurdjieff developed, this mechanistic cosmogony. I find two major flaws in it. First, everything is reduced to mechanics. There's no more soul, consciousness, or spirit. Plus there's a breach of free will in his way of trying to spread this knowledge. Not hypnotizing people without their informed consent is of prime importance, and he did not respect the free will of his followers.

(L) So, Gurdjieff had the idea that human life exists to feed the cosmos, that the living system exists to feed His "Allness" or whatever... the great cosmic cycle or system. Is that the case?

A: No!

Q: (L) And I guess since you have already told us that the universe exists because it's a school and free will is the most important law, and learning and growing is the purpose we won’t get distracted by re-asking those questions; but why would Gurdjieff say something like that?

A: He observed life and that was the materialistic interpretation he put on what he perceived. However, as we have explained, such matters reflect the nature of 4D STS and its need to survive against its own diminishing nature. It acts as a catalyst for growth at 3rd level.

Q: (L) So you're suggesting that Gurdjieff observed the way life was and the craziness and the manipulations and how people get into wars and kill each other and hurt each other and the pain and suffering and misery, and he thought that it was all designed as a big feeding system for the Great Sun Absolute, when what he was really perceiving was just the 4D STS manipulations of our reality which acts as a medium for our growth. Is that what you're saying so to say?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) So he saw life objectively, but he just didn't see it in the context as a medium for growth (or against other densities).

(Andromeda) Right.

(Pierre) And he didn't ascribe it to the proper authors because actually in Tamdgidi's book in the beginning, he talks about the Great Absolute and the creation, the Big Bang. And he mentions before the Big Bang, the Great Absolute, became aware of - almost word for word what the Cs just said - its diminishing nature because of this kind of entropy. And to counteract those forces...

(L) And so basically what he was describing as the Great Sun Absolute was really just the nature of 4D STS in its interaction with the Earth and humanity.

(Pierre) Yeah.

(L) The diminishing nature.

(Pierre) It's almost word for word what Gurdjieff uses.

(Joe) And the way he saw... his solution... he didn't see it as an opportunity for growth or for learning. He didn't really have a way out of it, did he; he doesn't present a definitive alternative or another way to perceive reality?

(L) His solution is for the human being to crystallize.

(Joe) Right.

(L) And become a companion to the Great Sun Absolute, right?

(Joe) At least to not be subject to the predations of the consuming universe... you can escape it. But where does that put you? What function do you have then? Are you part of it then? You just become higher up on the pecking order or something?

(L) Yeah. And then there's also...

(Joe) Did Gurdjieff not describe the reason for the work on the self?

(L) Well, his way of working on the self is not dynamic. It's very static and mechanical. It works probably for... And like I said, the Gurdjieff groups are barren!

(Joe) Right.

(L) I mean, O__ went around and hooked up with different groups around the world, and questioned them. None of them seemed to be remotely aware of hyperdimensional realities. None of them seemed to have ANY social conscience or feeling of giving or sharing to others, responsibility to the universe, at all! It's like working in a Gurdjieff group destroys that. It's designed to destroy that.

(Joe) And that's part of Gurdjieff's teaching.

(L) No, it's not! That's the effect it has...

(Pierre) The little compassion and conscience people might have gets destroyed when this purely materialistic paradigm is imposed on them, this idea that the Universe is ultimately going to eat them. And then this giving or sharing to others and responsibility to the universe doesn't exist anymore. Doesn't matter.

(Mikey) How much of Gurdjieff's teachings came from mediums as opposed to transmissions of a tradition?

A: 83 percent

Q: (Andromeda) That's a lot.

(Joe) 83 percent from mediums that he didn't have any real control over.

(Chu) But then if he thought everything was material, how could he believe in mediums?

(L) Because supposedly, you could go inside a medium's head and they would be able to perceive the material universe.

(Joe) Tapping into deeper truths.

(L) Just because he was using mediums didn't mean that he thought he was contacting really spiritual realms. He was supposedly just tapping the subconscious mind that he believed knew everything.

(Joe) I mean, his whole teaching is about the mechanical nature of man, and how to get over it, right? How to master yourself, ya know...

(L) In a mechanical way.

(Joe) But to what end? Simply to not be a victim to the vicissitudes of life and your own nature, basically. But that's it, right? You just overcome that, and then...

(L) Yeah, well, he talks about crystallizing a soul.

(Joe) Right.

(L) {Addressing Cs} You have already said that all souls exist from the beginning, and that souls are not created as we go along through time. We asked about that some time ago when we were asking about Messages from Michael and so forth. And you've also talked about instances of large soul groups such as organic portals or whatever - group souls, souls of animals, and so on and so forth. So basically, we already have kind of a system here that you have given that is quite different from what Gurdjieff proposed, which was that people had to GROW a soul. It was like something that if you didn't have it, when you died, you died. And if you were only partly crystallized, well then a certain number of days after you died, that you would be kind of like floating in some atmospheric area and then even that part of you would die. That's kind of what I got from reading this book. And I think that was partly from some of the ancient traditions, actually.

(Joe) That's what the Cs have said about kind of a "pool".

(L) Well, going into a pool is one thing – there is still soul involved even if it is a fragment of a larger soul - but here Gurdjieff had the idea that there is no such thing as soul as we conceive it; a soul had to be “grown” or crystallized in a given lifetime and even then, it was material.

(Mikey) Which parts of Gurdjieff's teachings are still most useful to read?

A: Psychology, up to a point.

Q: (Joe) Maybe we should cut Gurdjieff some slack, ya know? Because the way he described the mechanical nature of man is a very good basis on which to build like what you and the Cs have done. What they've added to that is certainly very compatible. He fleshed it all out very well, and it fits with a lot of the stuff the Cs have said. It's the first installment, and Gurdjieff could only go so far. I suppose you can't expect someone to have the whole banana, right?

(L) Right.

(Chu) What was Gurdjieff trying to achieve?

A: His own salvation and immortal life.

Q: (Joe) And was he successful?

A: Not by his terms. He was actually rather surprised!

Q: (Pierre) Was the surprise that after dying, he...

(Joe) That he got a lot wrong, yeah.

A: Yes

Q: (Ark) He was a really tragic figure for me because he was smart. He was observing things. He was so above all these people that he had NO HELP from anyone because...

(L) No one was equal to him.

(Ark) Yes. But on the other hand, he was not looking for help I don't think... He thought he was above everybody.

(L) He WAS above everybody, but because he knew he was, he cut himself off from the help that he could possibly have gotten. A network of others to give feedback is invaluable. That is one thing the Cs have taught us.

(Joe) I wonder... His own fixation on materialism and seeing the material universe as the be-all and end-all
... I mean, it kinda reflected in his approach to life. You talked about Idiots in Paris and the way he ate and how he abused himself with food and alcohol and bad living habits basically and probably caused himself an early death. The descriptions of the feasts he used to have were extreme, just eat and eat and eat...

(L) And that was contradictory to his whole thing: that you've got to learn about your machine in order to take care of it properly in order to preserve your life long enough in order to be able to have time enough to figure things out and to work on yourself.

(Joe) But how did he not see the negative health effects that he had from how he was eating?

(Pierre) In his mind, he was above it. (He thought he was crystallized and could do what he pleased.)

(L) I think he thought that he... Well, it was kind of like Edgar Cayce. He, too, died fairly young, and he was doing all these health readings for all these people, but he wasn't applying it to himself.

(Artemis) So was Gurdjieff depressed?

(L) I don't think he was depressed.

(Artemis) Or unhappy?

(L) No, but he just ate sugar like it was the only thing in existence.

(Pierre) And drank alcohol.

(L) Wine, Armagnac!

(Pierre) Driving like a maniac.

(L) Keeping late hours, never sleeping... Oh, and that was another thing! He thought that sleeping was a complete waste of time, and we know that sleeping is when your soul recharges itself. He thought that dreams were a sign of something wrong, and we know that dreams are important. Yes, dreams can be used to program negatively like via 4D STS or whatever; but we also know that they are big clues or cues. They can be prophetic, they can be profoundly revealing. Jungian analysis demonstrates the value of dreams.

(Niall) Dreams can tell you that something's wrong, and it's not that they, in themselves, are wrong.

(L) Yeah, these wonderful Jungian explorations. That's when you come into contact with the greater part of your soul or soul group. So Gurdjieff got a LOT of things really mixed up because...

(Joe) He defined the human problem really well, but he didn't have a proper context in which to put it. A spiritual context.

(L) Well, let's face it: neither did we. When we started talking to the Cs, the kind of stupid, ignorant, New Agey, Madame Blavatskyite kinds of things I would ask...

(Artemis) They were endearing.

(L) They embarrass me now that I was so stupid!

(Artemis) Oh, don't judge yourself so harshly. I ask banana questions all the time.

(Pierre) You know, if you put it back in the context of the 1930s... Gurdjieff's alone, doing all what he did, writing those ideas he had, by himself... In this context, it's an amazing achievement. This guy is a genius.

(Joe) Yeah.

(Pierre) But maybe he fell for the main threat that looms over the heads of geniuses: ego.

(Niall) At the same time, Collingwood was his contemporary, and had he come across Collingwood, he might have been more informed...

(Chu) But notice the Cs said he was trying to achieve his own salvation and immortal life. With the stuff about hypnotizing others and other things, there doesn't seem to be any altruistic motive. Your own salvation at what price to others?

(L) He made it clear that he was experimenting, but that the people he was experimenting on would benefit as a side effect of his objectives. And he said that clearly in his book Herald of the Coming Good.

(Pierre) And you're right, but when you embrace a materialistic paradigm, each individual is just a piece of meat. There's nothing that links us. There's no soul, there's no spirit, there's no community.

(Joe) But maybe he was a victim of his own analysis of the very mechanical nature of human beings. He saw very clearly that people were just machines. So he just thought well, these people are lost, so at least if I do something with them, they might benefit. But he didn't see the whole reason for 3D existing for learning lessons. He didn't have a rational cosmology, basically.

(Pierre) He threw out the baby with the bathwater.

(Andromeda) It seems to me like he didn't have a heart because he was kind of lonely.

(L) Yeah, and of course he had experiences as a child that probably scarred him. That’s what Tamdgidi suggests.

A: Enneagram is useful for understanding machine.

Q: (L) So that helps you to really understand mechanical programs. It IS very useful for that. And what about his tables of hydrogens?

A: He was onto something though again it was materialized. But you might have more success interpreting the "foods" as stimuli to the nervous system and its consequent release of neurochemicals and hormones. It was actually a quite clever description of same!

Q: (L) I think what they're saying is that Gurdjieff was trying to explain how external events and stimuli and impressions and so forth and interactions like physical or sexual or food or whatever come in and interact with the body and cause the body to produce neurochemicals and hormones which then change the state of the body. This can be at different levels. It can be physical, it can be emotional, it can be mental, and it can change the emotional state or mental state so that these hydrogens or so-called "foods" were basically just him trying to describe the dynamic interaction of the physical system with its environment.

(Joe) And with the non-physical environment.

(L) Yes. Very often what impinges on the person is non-material. There are thoughts and ideas and spiritual or non-material things, but they produce very definite physical effects in the body.

(Andromeda) Physical or emotional.

(L) Well, emotional is largely physical; it's hormones and neurochemicals.

(Ark) I don't think he could invent it all by himself. I think he learned something from the yogis somewhere.

(L) Well, they said eighty-some percent was him making stuff up and using mediums, so that leaves a certain percentage to come from yogis and monks. Okay, I guess that's enough on Gurdjieff right now. I guess it's time for Joe to have his heyday since he called the meeting tonight.
 

lilies

Dagobah Resident
We are progressing and expanding to the point, where we suddenly can experience a more potent reality:
Where the news in the media - articles on RT - are more scientific, more inspiring and full of hope. Where increasing number of nations are more successful in finding solutions to "coronaviruses".
Just found this fresh article on the net:
Cure for All Viruses? Scientists discover holy grail which could lead to Universal Vaccine

It appears we are on the right track, where we might gradually progress to a better timeline! Remember in the Sessions and in the Wave Series a strange phrase was mentioned, IIRC by an elderly lady, who might have been a spiritually advanced, positively super-charged being, she said something along this line:
- "Sometimes I find it hard to Anchor here."

Its easy to make an initial effort and jump high on the trampoline and be exhilarated, because you find yourself High on a better timeline. You quickly realize, Oh My God the News in the Media are better on this timeline and I got a better job offer and better offer on my house and I am healing better on this timeline, etc.. OMG, I am now on a better timeline and I need to write a book about it..

"Does jumping on a Trampoline help you grow taller?":
Does-Jumping-on-a-Trampoline-Help-You-Grow-Taller-1.jpg

Then you realize you trampoline jump continues.. as the days pass.. downward. Suddenly you realize that down and down ==> to less and less advantageous timelines you sink, until you may find yourself back in the same lower timeline you made the jump from!

I think, The key for You to progress to a better timeline [I found this out the hard way from painful & devastating experience] - the Key for You to be able to remain there: to Anchor Your Life on that better timeline, where you can maintain a more fulfilling Life - is.. I think, that You have to frequently consider the following:
1. Consider making Your Wow to Keep Your Integrity
2. Your Habit to Keep Up Doing Critical Thinking and Keep Your Sobriety most of the time = in situations, Where it Matters!
3. Your Hard Determination To Refuse Giving in To Temptations offered all too readily by Your Predators Mind.

You can easily expand the above three points or entirely convert them to Your Personal Ideas: All that you consider Holy that You Guard in the center of Your Heart.

Train Yourself to keep discipline and maintain Integrity at all times. This is an exercise in 'Fake it, until you make it!' You will fail - I think - as I did, you will Fail many times.. But you always will learn the hard way, which learning will make you strong and all the more determined. Probably, because of a multitude of life problems, possible developmental problems, possible serious accidents in childhood that scarred You, because of these possible injuries to your psyche, probably You won't be able to maintain Your Life on a significantly better timeline, immediately on the first try. Very probably you will stumble and slip back to a less advantageous timeline.. Don't worry! Failing is a necessary step = its how you learn to RECOGNIZE, to REMEMBER which excellent timelines You Want to Go!

Then with experience, training, determination, you will be able to Anchor a Frequency, a better FRV, a more Holy FRV that will ENABLE You to finally anchor Your Life on that excellent timeline. There you will find most satisfaction, that timeline will be your true reward, because:

All of Us, who made it there, to a better, more potent, more lawful and more Holy timeline, where The People respect & accept each other, a timeline where compassion, understanding and Love rules in international politics, all of Us, who made it, We will be waiting For You there!!
 
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