Session 11 June 2011

[stellar]

Thanks for the new session! Lots to think about as usual.

I was thinking about the whole vegetarian issue and India -- how it is brought up and thought of as being such an 'enlightened" place. Yet for all these thousands of years, they have this very strict caste system which doesn't seem very enlightened to me.

And these militant vegetarians never get so vocal about all the torture being carried out and all the death and destruction being dealt. They scream so loudly about animal welfare and don't seem to care much about human welfare.

It brings to mind the issue of asyllum seekers in Australia and how little care is given to what happens to them when they are 'exported', yet a big deal is made about the cattle exports to Indonesia and how they are treated at the other end. Astounding, I think, to see daily illustrations of how these people identify with the animal essence of existance and not the 'potentially?' souled humans. So many OP's. Depressing really, unless I keep remembering that it is what it is and just keep Working.
Thank you for sharing the transcript guys :).

 

[knowledge_of_self]

Thank you Laura, Ark and group for another great session!

Q: (Burma Jones) Is that also why psychopaths can be so kind towards animals while they treat humans with such indifference?

A: Yes. Though psychopaths often are brutal toward all that cannot contribute to their aims.

Q: (L) So they would be kind to animals only if it suits them. (Ark) But I understand that our hero Gandhi was vegetarian and yet he cared about human beings. (Perceval) Was Gandhi an organic portal?

A: Gandhi "cared" about the human cattle like himself.

Quick question regarding the above. Was that a yes on Gandhi being an OP? I'm not sure if I understood the C's answer correctly. Are they saying human cattle- as in the term 'sheep' we usually apply to sleeping masses? Or are they saying something else?

 

[mamadrama]

Yes, thank you all for this very interesting session - your grooving is exciting to observe, Andromeda.

A: 6D has begun to withdraw from the fray.

Q: (L) Well, what do you mean by, "withdraw from the fray"?

A: As we have pointed out before, the crop circles were an almanac. The last page is soon to turn.

Well, darn do we have our own little Anatolian myth of the Vanishing 'Gods' unfolding here? :P

A: Again, we cannot tell you all. But know that there is no chance for a positive outcome for Earth and the future without the presence.

Again I'm reminded of the Odyssey thread and Laura's quote from Trevor Bryce's book on the Hittites, Life and Society in the Hittite World:

The theme of a hero, human or divine, pitted in a fight to the death against a monster (often a serpent or dragon, or with reptilian body- parts) representing the forces of evil is typical of the mythology of many civilizations. The myths of the ancient Greeks abound in examples—Zeus and Typhon, Apollo and Python, Bellerophon and Chimaera. Perseus and Medusa, Herakles and the Hydra—with derivatives like St George and the Dragon in more recent times. Sometimes even when the hero is a god, and despite all the weapons in his armoury, his success can only be achieved with the assistance of a mortal, in Greek tradition it was only through the services of a mortal, Herakles, that Zeus and his fellow gods finally triumphed over the Giants, the monstrous sons of the Earth sprung from the blood of the mutilated Ouranos.

The involvement of a mortal in both versions of the myth has been seen as a kind of statement of the need for joint effort between god and man in ensuring that the cosmos functions properly and that evil destructive forces are kept at bay; each has his own contribution to make to the process.

Which kind of reminds me of locus standi or standing in US law:

In law, standing or locus standi is the term for the ability of a party to demonstrate to the court sufficient connection to and harm from the law or action challenged to support that party's participation in the case. In the United States, the current doctrine is that a person cannot bring a suit challenging the constitutionality of a law unless the plaintiff can demonstrate that the plaintiff is (or will imminently be) harmed by the law. Otherwise, the court will rule that the plaintiff "lacks standing" to bring the suit, and will dismiss the case without considering the merits of the claim of unconstitutionality. To have a court declare a law unconstitutional, there must be a valid reason for the lawsuit. The party suing must have something to lose in order to sue unless it has automatic standing by action of law.

Fwiw, it seems reasonable that to fight the forces of entropy, there must be at least one participant involved who has a vested interest or standing in the outcome or free will is violated.

 

[3DStudent]

Thank you all involved for the session. Lots of nice info and interesting times we live in.

 

[observer]

Thank you very much!

 

[Nawd]

What a great session! Thank you all! It's great to be back to the forum (I've moved), just in time to see a new session!

Lots of food for thought.

I looked up both names separately (first, then last - Goran and Lezczek) the second dead dude in this session. They are both Slavic/Polish names in origin. Could this be the war in Bosnia back in 1992-1995? I just found it interesting to find a link between the dates and the name he gave. No other reason. I don't believe what he said per se, I just wanted to see if it was possible he was at least telling the truth about his (or a) name and year of death. I wonder sometimes if these dead dudes have some very limited information at times about future or past events.

Edited for a bit of research into a name, without making another new post.

 

[rise]

Thank you for this very informative session :)

I just finished Life without Bread two nights ago and I don't remember the last time I read a book so fast and so enthusiastically. This session really complements the book even more with the vegetarian aspect that is mentioned. I totally get and understand the idea of plants get energy from a source, animals eat plants and then even higher are animals that eat animals. I even thought of this before the session and was talking with family about it and they just didn't really get it, or ignored the comments. It seems like a natural progression to me, but to them maybe not so much?

I'm certainly still struggling to adapt to the fat/protein food source. Usually during the work week when I buy my food and prepare it I can adhere myself to mostly fat and protein with very little carbs. But on the weekends I usually visit family and they all still believe that fat is the worst thing possible to eat. Interestingly enough they are on board with eating meat that is grass fed, but they will not eat the fat from it. They still make comments at me like "that is a lot of fat, it is not good for you!". I usually just smile and say something like "really?" and then eat it all even if it really isn't that much. I find I get full much quicker when I eat the fat first, which seems obvious sense it is more energy dense.

I also had a similar experience with a 6 mile hike recently where I ate grass fed beef and started eating it from the most fatty portions first. I powered through the hike like I've never done before, leaving my dad in the dust, usually it is the otherway around because of all the carbs I used to eat.

Time for a smoke.

 

[gonzorama]

GREAT SESION!!
Thank you Laura & team!! ;)

 

[Jakesully]

Interesting session as always, thanks Laura & crew!

Q: (L) Well that makes me think of something. Reading all of these analyses about the Odyssey, it's almost like the Odyssey is an epic story that describes a world similar to our own. When Odysseus comes back to his home, he finds it occupied by these psychopathic, consuming, partying, drunken, rude, obnoxious people. He himself comes into his own as a stranger, a beggar, is treated like dirt, insulted, things are thrown at him... Basically, that's kind of like what our world is doing today. The poor are being oppressed. It's like the whole global elite is acting the part of these suitors in the Odyssey, and Odysseus is everybody else in a certain sense. Just reading this story, it's like apocalyptic. People start behaving that way and it's like they bring down destruction on their own heads. Am I kind of on to something here?

A: Yes. And it is a good exercise for your forum because it will convey many truths at a deep level.

Q: (L) Anybody else? (Ark) I mean, who is going to play the role of Athena?

A: No dice!

Q: (Galaxia) What did Athena do? (Ark) Well, without her, the suitors would win. (L) So you're not going to tell us that?

A: Let us just say: Help is on the way!! Goodbye.

END OF SESSION

I'm very curious what they mean by this. They've said it at the end of the last two sessions already. And now this playing of the role of Athena, to which they responded "No dice!". So would it be going too far out on a limb to speculate what the role of "Athena" the mentor god here would mean in terms of the Cassiopaea group? Or should this be considered more of a "no comment" response? I'm also tempted to think of the quote "God doesn't play with dice."

Or am I just straining at gnats again?

 

[Courageous Inmate Sort]

Q: (L) In other words, we get optimal energy from eating creatures that eat vegetables. That way, we get our vegetables. But another carnivore processes all of that so that what we would get from eating another carnivore would not be optimal nutrition?

A: Yes.

Can this be an indication that we should get most of our fats from animals that eat only plants (such as cows) and not so much from omnivores (such as pigs)? I thought of this because pork seems to be a pretty common way of getting our fat requirements met. I'm assuming that these animals were properly fed with their natural diet, and not corn and other grains.

And, of course, thank you Laura and team for another great session.

 

[broken.english]

.................One other new thing is that the zoning out experiences have been different: instead of blacking out and noticing that the recording has skipped forward, as it usually happens, I've had times when time seems to freeze-I zone out for what feels like a long time, but when I come back the recording continues where I "left".

Maybe nothing, but I though I'd mention it, fwiw. :)

This happens to others too and has been mentioned here recently. Personally I like it. One misses a curve or two during EE but can still do almost the complete program and additionally have the zoning out experience. The only little downside, if at all, is, that the sessions appear to be very long and one is a bit disoriented with regard to "time". I think this is Zoning Out II or 2.0.

 

[OrangeScorpion]

Thanks for sharing the session!!!

I've always wanted to read the Odyssey, but never found time. Now is the time to read Homer.

 

[seek10]

Thank you for the session. It's ALWAYS inspiring.

A: Again, we cannot tell you all. But know that there is no chance for a positive outcome for Earth and the future without the presence.

WoW! Good to know that there is still HOPE for the planet.

Thanks for the new session! Lots to think about as usual.

I was thinking about the whole vegetarian issue and India -- how it is brought up and thought of as being such an 'enlightened" place. Yet for all these thousands of years, they have this very strict caste system which doesn't seem very enlightened to me.

I have wondered the same thing about India - the juxtaposition of this idea of "enlightenment" against such horrific poverty and the caste system has always bothered me. And yet it is almost heresy to mention that there might be more to see here.

When the PTB wants to promote some thing, they will do for their own reasons. Western media projects india as advanced ( recent decades), just by showing some high ways and buildings. Same is true with enlightenment scene. layers and layers of deception.

Q: (Ailen) Now, among vegetarians, you could say there are two groups. There's the group that says they feel better, they don't want to kill animals, they feel more sorry for animals than for veggies. They kind of stop there - they don't have spiritual ideas. On the other hand, there are those vegetarians who say that humans eat meat and therefore they are attached to physical reality. So by eating veggies and then fasting or sungazing for example, they're going to become illumined beings. So those are two different groups. So what is the intrinsic difference between them?

A: Two variations on the same theme!

I read in the yogi literature that meat as a attachment to sensual pleasures (physicality). Makes sense, as meat is costly in india. Irony is that opposite is also physicality. According to these literature, Meat eating, Smoking, women, alcohol, addiction to money/material stuff were part of the pleasure list. Interesting to see how devil is always in details.

Q: (L) So they would be kind to animals only if it suits them. (Ark) But I understand that our hero Gandhi was vegetarian and yet he cared about human beings. (Perceval) Was Gandhi an organic portal?

A: Gandhi "cared" about the human cattle like himself.

I'm not sure exactly what this answer means - do the Cs agree with Perceval that Gandhi was an OP?

I thought what C's mean is Gandhi treated every body equal to himself. He doesn't have psychopathy knowledge, though he moaned at the end that " those people who never participated in freedom movement, became freedom fight veterans overnight after indepedence ".

 

[anart]

A: Let us just say: Help is on the way!! Goodbye.

END OF SESSION

I'm very curious what they mean by this. They've said it at the end of the last two sessions already. And now this playing of the role of Athena, to which they responded "No dice!". So would it be going too far out on a limb to speculate what the role of "Athena" the mentor god here would mean in terms of the Cassiopaea group? Or should this be considered more of a "no comment" response? I'm also tempted to think of the quote "God doesn't play with dice."

Or am I just straining at gnats again?

They've been saying that 'help is on the way' almost from the beginning, so while it is always good to hear, it's not new. If they ever stop saying that, I'm not sure what will happen! Also, the 'no dice' response is a familiar refrain usually meaning that they won't answer the question asked, in order to not abridge Free Will.

 

[anart]

Q: (L) So they would be kind to animals only if it suits them. (Ark) But I understand that our hero Gandhi was vegetarian and yet he cared about human beings. (Perceval) Was Gandhi an organic portal?

A: Gandhi "cared" about the human cattle like himself.

I'm not sure exactly what this answer means - do the Cs agree with Perceval that Gandhi was an OP?

I thought what C's mean is Gandhi treated every body equal to himself. He doesn't have psychopathy knowledge, though he moaned at the end that " those people who never participated in freedom movement, became freedom fight veterans overnight after indepedence ".

That's possible, and I'm certainly in no position to say for certain, but the use of quotation marks around "cared" and the rest of the sentence indicate to me that the C's are saying that Gandhi was human cattle, like those he cared about. It's an interesting thought, because people tend to think of OPs in a disparaging way and I don't think that's there is any objective reason for that. I think OPs are very much a reflection of what is around them/who they are with - so - with that in mind, Gandhi may have been a particularly wise and motivated 'human cow'? Perhaps that was the life in which he individuated? Or, I'm so far out in left field that I've taken a seat in the bleachers... ;) :)