Session 12 December 2010

Dingo said:
,,, I have this idea that I will 'NEVER' be ready, or put another way, I don't feel I could ever be in a position to say 'I have a handle on the work', or 'I am completely objective', 'no more am I mechanical' etc. It is one of the few areas of my life where I have begun something and looked upon it as something that will never end, it will never be mastered.

Is this something that may ring true with others and could this mean we are not meant to teach people about such things but they must find it for themselves?
I've begun to feel that way, because the more I read, the more cryptic "the Work" seems. For example, Jacob Needleman's book has delighted me and helped in many ways, but the more he maps out the concept of "intermediate Christianity," the more it seems there's no map for "getting there."

But I haven't finished the final chapters of the book yet, nor read the thread about it, so maybe some insights are right around the corner. Of course, there's the old saying, "the more I know, the more I know I don't know" which brings some contorted reassurance I may be progressing.
 
SAO said:
...Another thought is to create local communities, local groups that discuss these things and share this information among all the members. And then have those communities connect with each other remotely as well. In some sense it could be like the communities that were proposed in "creating a new world" thread, but maybe they could be started before all things go to hell? Then the question becomes, how much association do they have back to this group, and how much of what this group does/discusses is part of what the community openly discusses (C's, hyperdimensional stuff, etc)? I think the focus would have to be on practical things like diet and EE training from our awesome EE instructors as well as psychopathy/narcissism - to help people heal themselves. We could come up with a name for these communities.

Or maybe I'm reinventing the wheel here, maybe FOTCM would serve this purpose, assuming such communities are even a good idea? One thing to consider - would people be less willing to join if there's a "religion" associated with the community? But then again, perhaps the protection awarded by this "religion" is necessary for such things to be able to exist and function without being compromised? Then again, being part of such a community may not require one to join the religion, it could just be a community that's created/sponsored by the religion so to speak, but membership in FOTCM is not required if one just wishes to be part of the local community.

Things like "alcoholics anonymous" and other groups, from what I can tell, do help people, and people are willing to join groups when they feel unhappy in their lives, if only for moral support, and it is natural because we're all social beings who, to a large degree, get our strength from others - both from seeing others succeed so we get confidence that we can succeed as well, and from the prospect of being able to help others succeed who need help. We're "wired" to be part of a community, and it's unfortunate that we have been part of dysfunctional ones all our lives.

Anyway, just some thoughts - plus, if the internet goes down at some point, it would be great to already have local communities that would be there to help everybody get through the blackout. If the internet went down today, how many of us have such a local support network? If we're lucky we would have some family and friends that have some clue and common sense and wouldn't only lead each other to destruction from ignorance and panic. Everybody here is all over the world and only connected through the internet, so it's a very real concern, osit. We can suggest that people create a network of friends for mutual support, especially in times of crisis, but I'd think that an organized and collinear effort to create such groups and give them a real purpose may go a long way to ensure that each one of us is locally ready for whatever comes, and to be able to help as many people practically in our local community as possible - not just during a crisis/blackout, but before it as well.

One possible caveat though, we don't necessarily want to paint a bulls eye on ourselves either. Bringing a lot of people together who question their world and help each other in many ways could be the first thing that the PTB would want to target, and perhaps it would not be a good idea to be physically in one place and make it easy for them? But is this enough of a threat to completely not have such communities at all just because of this? I'm not sure if the threat outweighs the benefits. Not to mention that the communities would be all over the world, so at least it's spread out. We could also just make them under the banner of FOTCM so it looks like a religious community rather than an obvious truth-weeking one to avoid attracting attention, but then that may defeat the purpose since we do want to attract attention from people who would benefit from the knowledge/support of the community. Sorry if I'm starting to ramble, there's just so many considerations here.
You make many good points that I think about often these days.
 
AI said:
Basically I was crying for all the illusions I hold about myself, and have held for as long as I can remember. Thinking I am a certain way, have certain qualities, but confronting the reality of my own 'nothingness'. A machine, totally controlled by external forces. No unity, basically a taxi for whichever passenger comes along for the ride. Changing from one minute to the next. Not a pretty picture.

Interesting. I've been going through something similar for the past few weeks. Sometimes waking in the middle of the night completely overwhelmed with seeing how I have made choices in my life which have been mechanical, and which have definitely not been in the direction of growth. All because knowledge was lacking and the negative introject was in control. These insights, these ongoing realisations that I am nothing, just a mechanical object, always lead to deep release of tears and a sort of 'hollowing' in the solar plexus. I try to really let the enormity of what I am seeing into my mind, which can be quite difficult at times, actually quite frightening. If I am just a machine with no singular identity, then who or what am I? Sometimes it seems that there is nothing left. But . . . these deep releases and acceptances of my true state paradoxically bring integration and healing and a feeling of greater strength. It seems that allowing feelings of hopelessness, helplessness, horror and so on, as completely as possible, without wanting to change them in any way, actually bring about the healing that is needed.
 
Thanks for sharing the experiences AI, WK, Endymion and others. I have experienced similar emotions and thoughts off late too. It does seem like a split taking place in the inner world as well as the outer - rank mechanicalness which is powerful on the one side and a relatively weaker observing self which aspires to a different reality on the other side. As some buffers get removed, the full horror of the situation (inside and outside) has been hitting me full blast. The buffers supplied a thick skin for me earlier on - but now the skin is thinner and the heat of the friction is felt more acutely. My current attitude (of some of the I's at least) is also that of trying to make the most of whatever time is left. I have not been doing much in fighting the darkness outside but at least I could shine as much light as possible on the inner darkness. In very weak moments, the only thing I wish for is the ability to at least remember what I have learned in the last couple of years if this struggle is to be continued in another time/life/existence.
 
Herakles said:
Reading the news lately has given me a strong feeling that humanity at large is doomed. Ice age coming, revolts and transparent manipulation. Time is running out. It is no longer about 'what sort of life do I want to have?', but 'what am I going to do with the last few months or years I've got left?'

I think many of us have had this thought for some time and personally I like to think that it is only a possibility, not the ONLY possibility. In particular the 'what am I going to do with the last few months or years I've got left?" This is fatalistic, something I know well. And perhaps it will be that way. But, perhaps, just maybe, there is some other reality, for instance didn't the C's say something about possibly rejuvenating and living longer than normal lifespans after the Wave? I think in general what I am trying to say is that we cannot fixate our vision upon possible outcomes only on what we have before us to do, day by day. Letting go has been a big theme for me in this respect, letting go of those things beyond control. This is what makes me angry, feeling either "out of control" or having no say in the matter, so to speak. But perhaps that too is an illusion.

I am not arguing or trying to cheer you up because it is personal when it comes to the Work and the inner battle to dismantle one's illusions, but, yet . . . .

one of the quotes from Don Juan Matus:

"It is much easier for warriors to fare well under conditions of maximum stress than to be impeccable under normal circumstances."

Something about inertia and tension, as mentioned below. And if that is true then an indirect benefit, for those of us with the willingness to learn in this hell on earth perpetuated by the 4d STS consortium provides, is to use the opportunity to bring out the best of ourselves.

I for one am re-dedicating myself based on this session, thanks again it was timely indeed! :D


Windmill knight said:
Approaching Infinity said:
</depression-induced pseudo-metaphysical ravings!>

At the moment, the bottom line for me is: if my illusions have crumbled and I am nothing but a mess; if I'll never achieve happiness, peace or Being; at least I can do what I can for this good cause. That gives me sense and purpose. Like you say:

So then comes the question, what to do now? The best answer I can come up with at the moment: stay active. Do whatever there is to do. Like with courage and fear, the courageous one is the one who experiences fear, but acts anyways. If I am nothing, then at least I can sincerely 'pretend' to be something. Maybe one day I will be that something, but if not, at least I will have tried, and perhaps accomplished something by helping those that have.

Reading the news lately has given me a strong feeling that humanity at large is doomed. Ice age coming, revolts and transparent manipulation. Time is running out. It is no longer about 'what sort of life do I want to have?', but 'what am I going to do with the last few months or years I've got left?' A normal and happy life is now out of the question. So all I've got left is my will to fight 'the dragon' (the sts system in and outside myself). And sometimes it feels like fury. Better to "rage against the dying of the light" than to "go gentle into that good night". But it would be insincere to say that this is all I am, because there is the legion of unresolved issues and programs. Which is the whole point in the first place. I could say that one thing I do have is friction. And friction is good.

Thank you AI, WK and Herakles. The quote from Don Juan seems spot on; it is easier to plot a course when the circumstances are known with certainity. I feel that it is more difficult to stay on track in prosaic day-to-day life , to not be occupied with self doubt or self importance or the myriads of other little things that constitutes our daily experiences.
If and when the ice age comes/the comets strike/war erupts globally/NWO is established, one has had confirmation about hese things' reality and can act accordingly. Maybe feel more certain about the choices made, because the number of available choices then will be significantly smaller. I still don't think it will be easy, bumby ride from here on out, it seems to me.
 
Thank you for the session; here it is 1:18 MST during the eclipse on the winter solstice after noticing the session and reading - very interesting as always - change ahead indeed.

Get well Atréides and Ailén! :)
 
Mrs.Tigersoap said:
Perceval said:
I suppose the point I am making is that it is a rare breed of person who is motivated to take on both the basic challenges of the reality of normal life AND attempt to face into and fix the problems of reality on a global (or larger) scale. And I'm not sure there are enough.

Absolutely. FWIW, I never even went as far as thinking the people I was talking to would change so drastically. I was just proposing to quit gluten and dairy. And that's apparently already too much.

I may be way off, but maybe we don't need more people 'on board'. Maybe we are enough. Gurdjieff was talking about 200 conscious people. Aren't there 200 people on this forum doing the diet, the EE, having read (almost all) the books, trying to remember themselves as much as possible, i.e. doing the Work?
So maybe we 'just' need to clean our machines better (maybe even in ways we have not thought of yet?) and stop wasting time with people who cannot/will not be awoken? Especially since we might not get to stay in contact with each other for very long.

This reminds me of something I read (unfortunately I can't remember if it was in "The Wave" "Adventures" or FOTCM) but it was basically talking about Quantum Physics and the possibility of a "small change/group" effecting a big change. In fact it kind of makes sense given that so many people think that by getting everybody to meditate on love and light (an impossibility) that they can change the world. The difference here was that the "small group" possessing an objective view of reality and thus being "aligned with the divine plan" would actually be able to effect a real change. Does anyone remember this piece or have an idea where I might have read it?
 
Most of the forum are the elders, so I will ask.

It is normal that I don't feel that I need to do the EE program frequently as before? because I am not depressed as before, now I may observe myself without tears and etc, things you of course know. I do it one per week, sometimes one per two weeks. The thing I sure do, is the prayer or I try to do it every night before sleep.

I ask this because I have seen the session, if I am gonna get some change in my self, I want to make it useful, because... I have come to this point when I have suffered a lot and be in a lot of situations and etc, and at the moment of changes I don't want to be the one that haven't done what it was needed to do.

Thanks for the session, and thanks a lot family members to share this.

By porpouse, I have dreamed three gods planing some kind of inundation, I knew about it and I tried to run away from the city that was plained to destroy by that wave or water. And it is funny because I had the dream a night before read the session.
 
If you do the prayer/meditation every night with few exceptions, you will be guided to do what is right for your system/situation. But also, DO use pipe breathing at least once a day to keep your physical up. You can combine them, do some pipe breathing as you go into the meditation/prayer.
 
Laura said:
If you do the prayer/meditation every night with few exceptions, you will be guided to do what is right for your system/situation. But also, DO use pipe breathing at least once a day to keep your physical up. You can combine them, do some pipe breathing as you go into the meditation/prayer.

Ok so that's why I feel more, kind of compassion to others with other effects like feel so fun reading (note: I don't like to read so much) that, I didn't know the prayer could do, or do. The cass were right when they said that this is a super powerful technique. Thanks Laura, I take the tips and data.
 
Thank you for posting the latest transcripts. Very interesting, indeed. The planet is already undergoing big changes - I mean, the global precipitation is way out of control - and that's just one thing. How can people be so complacent about what's going on...?

I saw the infection spread - if it wasn't for the massive doses of Vit B (with amino acids), Vit C, fish oil and melatonin, I'd probably end up getting sick, too. But the ongoing depression and a disturbed sleep cycle are unmistakeable - that happened anyway. Jet lag is not that friggin' harsh after all... Things are starting to look up now though - so wishing Ailen and Atreides all the best and a speedy recovery - there isn't any internal organ damage, right?

Don't really know how else to comment. The session just makes sense - it's almost surreal to look out the window here in Oz and see the constant rain. Switch the tele on and here come the reports of extensive floods and violent lightning - worldwide. Don't even wanna talk about the "global warming" in Europe. But yet another winter of the century is taking place there - right now.

And yet, there is still this little spark, deep inside of me - watching the Truth slowly come out, enjoying the Universe taking Law into its own hands. The Nature will simply have the last word...
 
hithere said:
Herr Eisenheim said:
Interesting, I haven't experienced any physical symptoms whatsoever, but the depression - boy I don't remember feeling so low ever. It has been only few weeks that I am slowly coming out of it.
I would have never made the connection with the Paleobug.

I've gone through similar tings lately - extreme sensation of cold, stomach flu in the family, lots of little things in the house that don't function and then suddenly works, general feeling of danger.

Yes it is interesting I`ve lost again all the files from the compunter Im working now all my job have lost again!!!!! And the cars have broken each time I drive !!!!! So what happen!!!! :shock: :halo:
 
Ailén said:
I have never had problems sleeping, but now my cycle is pretty messed up.

Well I thought I could not sleep because of my feelings!!!!! but yes a big mess in fact could not sleep well and Im very tired of that !!!!!

It is good to know you are better now Ailèn!!!! :) ;) :hug2:
 

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