Session 14 April 2018
- Thread starter Chu
- Start date
Thx for the session! This Dionysus state of the world, It takes me to the popular Tango, Siglo 20 Cambalache.
The lyrics in Spanish and English:
Que el mundo fue y sera una porqueria,
ya lo se…
En el quinientos seis
y en el dos mil también!
Que siempre ha habido chorros,
maquiavelos y estafaos,
contentos y amargaos,
valores y dublés…
Pero que el siglo veinte
es un despliegue
de maldad insolente
ya no hay quien lo niegue.
Vivimos revolcaos en un merengue
y en un mismo lodo
todos manoseaos…
Hoy resulta que es lo mismo
ser derecho que traidor..!
Ignorante, sabio, chorro,
generoso o estafador!
Todo es igual! Nada es mejor!
Lo mismo un burro
que un gran profesor!
No hay aplazaos ni escalafon,
los inmorales nos han igualao.
Si uno vive en la impostura
y otro roba en su ambicion,
da lo mismo que sea cura,
colchonero, rey de bastos,
caradura o polizon…
Que falta de respeto,
que atropello a la razon!
Cualquiera es un señor!
Cualquiera es un ladron!
Mezclao con Stavisky va Don Bosco
y “La Mignon,”
Don Chicho y Napoleon,
Carnera y San Martin…
Igual que en la vidriera irrespetuosa
de los cambalaches
se ha mezclao la vida
y herida por un sable sin remache
ves llorar la Biblia
contra un calefon.
Siglo veinte, cambalache
problematico y febril!
El que no llora, no mama,
y el que no afana es un gil.
Dale nomas! Dale que va!
Que alla en el horno
nos vamo a encontrar!
No pienses mas,
sentate a un lao.
Que a nadie importa
si naciste honrao.
Que es lo mismo el que labura
noche y dia, como un buey
que el que vive de los otros,
que el que mata o el que cura
o esta fuera de la ley.
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That the world was and always be filth,
I already know…
In the year five hundred and six
and in the year two thousand too!
There always have been thieves,
traitors and victims of fraud,
happy and bitter people,
valuables and imitations
But, that the twentieth century
is a display
of insolent malice,
nobody can deny it anymore.
We lived sunk in a fuzz
and in the same mud
all well-worn…
Today it happens it is the same
to be decent or a traitor!
To be an ignorant, a genius, a pickpocket,
a generous person or a swindler!
All is the same! Nothing is better!
They are the same, an idiot ass
and a great professor!
There are no failing grades or merit valuations,
the immoral have caught up with us.
If one lives in a pose
and another, in his ambition, steals,
it’s the same if it’s a priest,
a mattress maker, a king of clubs,
a cad or a tramp.
What a lack of respect,
what a way to run over reason!
Anybody is a gentleman!
Anybody is a thief!
Mixed with Stavisky, you have Don Bosco
and La Mignon
don Chicho and Napoleon,
Carnera and San Martin.
Like in the disrespectful window
of the bazaars,
life is mixed up,
and wounded by a sword without rivets
you can see a Bible crying
next to a water heater.
Twentieth century, bazaar
problematic and feverish!
If you don’t cry, you don’t get fed
and if you don’t steal, you’re a stupid.
Go ahead! Keep it up!
That there, in hell
we’re gonna reunite.
Don’t think anymore,
move out of the way.
Nobody seems to care
if you were born honest.
That is the same the one who works,
day and night like an ox,
than the one who lives from the others,
than the one that kills or heals
or the one who lives outside the law.
The lyrics in Spanish and English:
Que el mundo fue y sera una porqueria,
ya lo se…
En el quinientos seis
y en el dos mil también!
Que siempre ha habido chorros,
maquiavelos y estafaos,
contentos y amargaos,
valores y dublés…
Pero que el siglo veinte
es un despliegue
de maldad insolente
ya no hay quien lo niegue.
Vivimos revolcaos en un merengue
y en un mismo lodo
todos manoseaos…
Hoy resulta que es lo mismo
ser derecho que traidor..!
Ignorante, sabio, chorro,
generoso o estafador!
Todo es igual! Nada es mejor!
Lo mismo un burro
que un gran profesor!
No hay aplazaos ni escalafon,
los inmorales nos han igualao.
Si uno vive en la impostura
y otro roba en su ambicion,
da lo mismo que sea cura,
colchonero, rey de bastos,
caradura o polizon…
Que falta de respeto,
que atropello a la razon!
Cualquiera es un señor!
Cualquiera es un ladron!
Mezclao con Stavisky va Don Bosco
y “La Mignon,”
Don Chicho y Napoleon,
Carnera y San Martin…
Igual que en la vidriera irrespetuosa
de los cambalaches
se ha mezclao la vida
y herida por un sable sin remache
ves llorar la Biblia
contra un calefon.
Siglo veinte, cambalache
problematico y febril!
El que no llora, no mama,
y el que no afana es un gil.
Dale nomas! Dale que va!
Que alla en el horno
nos vamo a encontrar!
No pienses mas,
sentate a un lao.
Que a nadie importa
si naciste honrao.
Que es lo mismo el que labura
noche y dia, como un buey
que el que vive de los otros,
que el que mata o el que cura
o esta fuera de la ley.
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That the world was and always be filth,
I already know…
In the year five hundred and six
and in the year two thousand too!
There always have been thieves,
traitors and victims of fraud,
happy and bitter people,
valuables and imitations
But, that the twentieth century
is a display
of insolent malice,
nobody can deny it anymore.
We lived sunk in a fuzz
and in the same mud
all well-worn…
Today it happens it is the same
to be decent or a traitor!
To be an ignorant, a genius, a pickpocket,
a generous person or a swindler!
All is the same! Nothing is better!
They are the same, an idiot ass
and a great professor!
There are no failing grades or merit valuations,
the immoral have caught up with us.
If one lives in a pose
and another, in his ambition, steals,
it’s the same if it’s a priest,
a mattress maker, a king of clubs,
a cad or a tramp.
What a lack of respect,
what a way to run over reason!
Anybody is a gentleman!
Anybody is a thief!
Mixed with Stavisky, you have Don Bosco
and La Mignon
don Chicho and Napoleon,
Carnera and San Martin.
Like in the disrespectful window
of the bazaars,
life is mixed up,
and wounded by a sword without rivets
you can see a Bible crying
next to a water heater.
Twentieth century, bazaar
problematic and feverish!
If you don’t cry, you don’t get fed
and if you don’t steal, you’re a stupid.
Go ahead! Keep it up!
That there, in hell
we’re gonna reunite.
Don’t think anymore,
move out of the way.
Nobody seems to care
if you were born honest.
That is the same the one who works,
day and night like an ox,
than the one who lives from the others,
than the one that kills or heals
or the one who lives outside the law.
zak
The Living Force
BlackCartouche
Jedi Master
Must it be a "neutral" archetype to be a positive? The C's talk about All is Lessons... But how does that tie into Cosmic Balance? STS seems to be a necessity in the grand scheme of things. There could be some wisdom for individuated soul-units to indulge expressing STS from time to time, for the sake of a kind of 'Cosmic duty' - of 'Balance'.
Sure, why not? I was just trying to make some sense of it. They said it is going to happen and why would you want to stop it. So, whether the players are STS or STO or both "all there is is lessons". It is the balance that is important I think. Heaven knows we could use some of that. I guess you could see balance as being "neutral" or at least more neutral.
Also, another place about the addictive aspect of pleasure seeking is:
I think this applies to anything from sex to Pokemon.
BlackCartouche
Jedi Master
What sort of balance?
The back and forth of a swinging pendulum are opposing forces experiencing its respective extremities on each its aft swing, is a 'destabilizing' of forces, of sorts, held in balance through its periodic throes to the 'other side'.
Balance through centrifuge is far more 'harmonious' i think... But, are Lessons learned through perpetual harmony of 'stabilized' centrifuge?
BlackCartouche
Jedi Master
Thinking something a bit more 'gyroscopic' meselfI don't know (haven't had my centrifuge balancing class yet).
barbarossa
The Force is Strong With This One
If you read many of the sessions carefully, I think that "impending doom" wouldn't be the way they describe it. Often they speak of that being more of a 3D way of perceiving reality. They often talk of "joy", for example, and we may not quite see it like that, yet.
So, as long as you keep an open mind about it, and collect data, it's okay.If you haven't read The Wave Series, I highly recommend it.
Hello Chu,
Thank you for the welcome. I have completed a brief intro as you suggested.
Also thank you for the suggestion on reading the Wave Series. It is where I started this trip before finding the transcripts section (Link from an old article that Laura had written on SoTT before the re-organizing of sections about the Mongols 8) ).
To your other non quoted text, I'm still skeptical about higher densities 'simplifying' things for us. Symbols and understanding are great. My experience has been that symbols have a commonality to them and sometimes I have to admit the "C's" leave me wondering. I see also how interpretations can be very subjective, no matter how objective one tries to be. That said, like most everyone here, I'm looking to gather data points that will allow me to see things either more clear or different from what I've been seeing them. Any such challenge is invaluable and I can only say thank you for the work that this requires.
I see another relationship with the Dionysus syndrome and the MeToo movement. Andromeda mentioned the Maenads .
The first Maenads were the nymphs who were responsible for the upbringing of Dionysus, and who were subsequently possessed by him, who inspired them a mystical madness.
In an SOTT article we learned that "Finn Korsaa, a Danish psychologist, has compared the MeToo movement to the Nazi Gestapo by the way it helps impose a certain ideology."
"Korsaa ventured that the men of our time are ridiculed and subjected to the authority of women, who feel that the power of men is increasingly irrelevant, a belief reinforced by the feminist-humanist state.
"When male values are currently discredited, this is due to the two main" patriarchal "mass movements, Nazism and communism that devastated the 20th century, Korsaa ventured.As both were finally defeated by democracy, this created a ideological reaction in the form of a "feminist offensive" that demonized all male values. "Therefore, we have come from one extreme to the other. Where the Nazis had the Gestapo and the communists had the KGB, modern feminism has its own 'house guard', in the form of the MeToo movement and the warriors of social justice, which with its imperative morality seeks to ensure that feminine values can maintain their monopoly through moral and political correction, "said Korsaa
So it seems the role of Dionysus is repeated. Zeus gave Dionysus to the nymphs to be raised and today, as Korssa mentions, men are subject to the authority of women.
It seems that the same thing happens with those movements that seek to legalize marijuana, a common drug among young people and that along with beer and wine are part of the current bacchanalia.
According to Robert Graves, it is likely that both the Maenads (feminists) and the male companions of Dionysus' courtship, the Satyrs (warriors at the party for social justice) ate hallucinogenic mushrooms - specifically Amanita Muscaria - and chewed laurel - which It contains potassium cyanide-. If we add wine and ivy beer to that coctail, we understand perfectly their state of continuous delirium, how difficult it is to understand how they could stand up.
Consider the madness of the so-called "liberal" faction in the United States and elsewhere.... said the C´s.
The first Maenads were the nymphs who were responsible for the upbringing of Dionysus, and who were subsequently possessed by him, who inspired them a mystical madness.
In an SOTT article we learned that "Finn Korsaa, a Danish psychologist, has compared the MeToo movement to the Nazi Gestapo by the way it helps impose a certain ideology."
"Korsaa ventured that the men of our time are ridiculed and subjected to the authority of women, who feel that the power of men is increasingly irrelevant, a belief reinforced by the feminist-humanist state.
"When male values are currently discredited, this is due to the two main" patriarchal "mass movements, Nazism and communism that devastated the 20th century, Korsaa ventured.As both were finally defeated by democracy, this created a ideological reaction in the form of a "feminist offensive" that demonized all male values. "Therefore, we have come from one extreme to the other. Where the Nazis had the Gestapo and the communists had the KGB, modern feminism has its own 'house guard', in the form of the MeToo movement and the warriors of social justice, which with its imperative morality seeks to ensure that feminine values can maintain their monopoly through moral and political correction, "said Korsaa
So it seems the role of Dionysus is repeated. Zeus gave Dionysus to the nymphs to be raised and today, as Korssa mentions, men are subject to the authority of women.
It seems that the same thing happens with those movements that seek to legalize marijuana, a common drug among young people and that along with beer and wine are part of the current bacchanalia.
According to Robert Graves, it is likely that both the Maenads (feminists) and the male companions of Dionysus' courtship, the Satyrs (warriors at the party for social justice) ate hallucinogenic mushrooms - specifically Amanita Muscaria - and chewed laurel - which It contains potassium cyanide-. If we add wine and ivy beer to that coctail, we understand perfectly their state of continuous delirium, how difficult it is to understand how they could stand up.
Consider the madness of the so-called "liberal" faction in the United States and elsewhere.... said the C´s.
IncenDiary
Jedi
Thank you, very very interesting! So I take it their genetic 'warfare' will blow back onto themselves .... they know not themselves indeed :D Or where they even come from... haha!
Very likely. I'm still digging on this topic; have a look at this thread:
The Forgotten Exodus: The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution
