Session 17 August 2024

[Wandering Star]

"The first thing I realized was that human beings at a certain point in their development reach a crossroad where they can choose which dynamic they will develop in spiritual terms: predator or prey, and it had nothing to do with material considerations. In fact, I wasn’t even sure if it was a choice and not just simply the inherent nature of an individual."

I just read this in The Wave series and I think some people are very upset by a new type of man/woman that is starting to appear around here.

He is neither predator nor prey.

 

[BHelmet]

I am not interested in being either. I hate that paradigm: you must be this or that, here in this world.

 

[Jo Bugman]

So may be it doesn't matter where you are based when the s**t hits the fan, it is the person you are, or strive to be, that counts. If this all sounds a bit sanctimonious on my part, I would readily admit that I still have much work to do. And as to St Peter's reference to "faith" in the quote above, the C's also mentioned the importance of faith in connection with those who survived the Biblical Flood or Deluge, which may be equally relevant to us in this day and age:
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A: It is a very broad representation. It simply means that there was a cataclysmic event that did envelop the whole planet at that time and that those that were ready to experience that as part of their soul development without exiting the body, were warned ahead of time. But not by trying to manipulate events, but by simply allowing faith to let them acquire knowledge and being naturally drawn into position to experience what they needed to experience to survive the event.

I agree that, ultimately, the most important thing is the individual. It doesn't matter if you somehow find the perfect location with the ideal commune to escape the coming catastrophes... if you're not working on yourself then you've just managed to survive another day - nothing changes.

The part I'm confused about is faith, like you mention. Is faith just trusting the process/information and using the knowledge to grow an understanding that this is all part of a natural journey through the school of life? Or is faith that plus utilizing that knowledge to see the turmoil ahead and prepare accordingly?

For example, let's say you lived in a quiet, peaceful neighborhood for all your life. Suddenly, a drug epidemic hits the neighborhood and crime skyrockets. Your quiet neighborhood is no longer safe for you and your family. Do you move to a new town, or do you stay to be a beacon of light? It's a small scale example compared to an entire country, but I think, in the end, whatever you chose to do - stay or move - is a choice and something you can learn from.

 

[axj]

Your quiet neighborhood is no longer safe for you and your family. Do you move to a new town, or do you stay to be a beacon of light?

It probably depends on something like one's soul mission or maybe lessons that need to be learned, including karmatic aspects.

For example, Laura and Ark were guided to move to France, because staying in the US was not a good idea:

Session Date: October 30th 2021

(Joe) Laura? When the C's kind of advised you to move to France, did they not know that Florida was gonna be the last bastion of freedom 20 years later?

(L) I think they knew that other things were coming.

(Joe) Can we at least have some confirmation of that to make ourselves feel better? [laughter] We could have stayed in Florida and all be on the beach now... [laughter]

A: This work would not have survived and thrived there.

 

[MJF]

I agree that, ultimately, the most important thing is the individual. It doesn't matter if you somehow find the perfect location with the ideal commune to escape the coming catastrophes... if you're not working on yourself then you've just managed to survive another day - nothing changes.

The part I'm confused about is faith, like you mention. Is faith just trusting the process/information and using the knowledge to grow an understanding that this is all part of a natural journey through the school of life? Or is faith that plus utilizing that knowledge to see the turmoil ahead and prepare accordingly?

For example, let's say you lived in a quiet, peaceful neighborhood for all your life. Suddenly, a drug epidemic hits the neighborhood and crime skyrockets. Your quiet neighborhood is no longer safe for you and your family. Do you move to a new town, or do you stay to be a beacon of light? It's a small scale example compared to an entire country, but I think, in the end, whatever you chose to do - stay or move - is a choice and something you can learn from.

Actually, your example is something that really happened to my Irish great uncle. He emigrated to Chicago from Cork in the early part of the 20th century. He built up a very successful car repair and maintenance business, which was then wiped out after the Great Crash of 1929. Indeed, according to his son John, he even had Al Capone as a client who gave John a $20 tip for returning his car after it had been repaired by his father's firm (did they fill in the bullet holes or clean up the blood I wonder ?). My uncle lived in what had been a choice neighbourhood but times change. He eventually found himself as a widowed man in his eighties living in a house that had become part of a black neighbourhood. Indeed, his son Tom told me that he was just about the last white man on the street. For reasons I am not aware of, my uncle was attacked one day by a gang of Black youths who put him in hospital with serious injuries. Whether they attacked him just because he was white I don't know but he had lived in that house for decades with no problems prior to the attack. After his release from hospital, he moved in with his son and daughter-in-law who lived in another part of Chicago. What lessons he learned from this I don't know but the episode had a profound effect on him since it now meant that he had been taken away from a place where he had fond memories of living with his late wife and where he had raised his children. Perhaps he had some karma to pay off linked with his younger days since it was rumoured within my mother's family that he had left for America under something of a cloud that involved the family business run by his father. Who knows?​

 

[Kika]

I agree that, ultimately, the most important thing is the individual. It doesn't matter if you somehow find the perfect location with the ideal commune to escape the coming catastrophes... if you're not working on yourself then you've just managed to survive another day - nothing changes.

I share this opinion with you.

The part I'm confused about is faith, like you mention. Is faith just trusting the process/information and using the knowledge to grow an understanding that this is all part of a natural journey through the school of life? Or is faith that plus utilizing that knowledge to see the turmoil ahead and prepare accordingly?

I adhere to this (bold) definition of faith.

For example, let's say you lived in a quiet, peaceful neighborhood for all your life. Suddenly, a drug epidemic hits the neighborhood and crime skyrockets. Your quiet neighborhood is no longer safe for you and your family. Do you move to a new town, or do you stay to be a beacon of light? It's a small scale example compared to an entire country, but I think, in the end, whatever you chose to do - stay or move - is a choice and something you can learn from.

In this part I have a little problem with this: suddenly. It would be sudden for me if you wake up one day and you are surrounded by drug addicts and dealers. Something like finding yourself in another timeline.
For now, things are happening gradually. It is a process, a journey.
Lighthouses gain importance when it begins to get dark and when darkness is greatest, but only for those who understand the signals, for human captains, while the journey lasts. When the ship docks in port, when the journey is over (or when the day breaks) there is no need to pay attention to the lighthouse anymore, the lighthouse no longer has a purpose. (in your example, the transformation of reality has ended and has become fixed, and all possibilities of influence have been used).

That's how I see the role of a lighthouse.

 

[Bluegazer]

The part I'm confused about is faith

I think that faith lies in the fact of knowing that what you are or decide to EXPRESS makes the environment change around you.
BE the change you want around you. The rest comes in addition.

 

[Deliverance]

I think that faith lies in the fact of knowing that what you are or decide

For "faith", the difference was also made (I can't find the exact quote) between :
not having “faith in Christ” but “faith of Christ”.

 

[luc]

Okay. And then the other question was: Is it a fault with AI that it uses prior assumptions about how information is distributed, and this may be vastly wrong, as it's based on 3D assumptions?

A: Is it wrong with most people?

Q: (L) No. It probably makes pretty darn good assumptions because it uses prior information about what most people think and do in response to... just like this Derren Brown thing, right? But for people who don't think that way, then obviously they're not going to be so easy to read. People who are not programmable, people who are not impressionable or suggestible in the same ways. So...

(Andromeda) Because there's a spectrum of suggestibility.

This struck me as very insightful and significant: essentially, we are more predictable by AI systems than we'd like to believe. But as Gurdjieff put it, we act quite mechanically most of the time, and so it's easy to predict how we react, and what we'll do - if the trajectory is known, the journey and even the end point can be easily calculated.

To counter that, thinking in terms of Gurdjieff's "Stop" exercise might be helpful: basically, when we once again feel that "pull" to do something, to continue on a certain trajectory, no matter how innocent it might seem, to tell ourselves "Stop!" and change gears. Practicing to change trajectory so to speak, developing the ability to pull off short bursts of intense consciousness that pull us out of our mechanical stupor and do, feel, see something else. This completely throws any AI or other malicious observer-calculator off-guard and makes us more unpredictable, because we are then governed more by a consciousness that is beyond the reach of the calculator.

 

[A Jay]

"The first thing I realized was that human beings at a certain point in their development reach a crossroad where they can choose which dynamic they will develop in spiritual terms: predator or prey, and it had nothing to do with material considerations. In fact, I wasn’t even sure if it was a choice and not just simply the inherent nature of an individual."

I just read this in The Wave series and I think some people are very upset by a new type of man/woman that is starting to appear around here.

He is neither predator nor prey.

Would you mind explaining what you mean? I'm not sure I understand you.

People are joining the forum who're transcending traditional limits? Something else?

 

[jacygirl]

Would you mind explaining what you mean? I'm not sure I understand you.

People are joining the forum who're transcending traditional limits? Something else?

Well if there are new people who are smart enough not to become prey, but empathetic enough not to be predators...then I would say that's a great improvement.
I believe that 'traditional limits' should be broken if they are no longer serving a purpose to you.
Are some of these people joining the forum? I have no doubt.

 

[Wandering Star]

Would you mind explaining what you mean? I'm not sure I understand you.

People are joining the forum who're transcending traditional limits? Something else?

No, I wasn't referring to the forum.

The paradigm is predator or prey.

If you are neither predator nor prey, what are you? (I'm referring to everyone).

For the system you cannot exist and it may not even be able to see you.

In short, I don't want to be a predator, that's for sure, and I don't want to be prey, and that's what I try to be.

 

[Wandering Star]

Are some of these people joining the forum? I have no doubt.

Very possible, yes.

 

[jacygirl]

No, I wasn't referring to the forum.

The paradigm is predator or prey.

If you are neither predator nor prey, what are you? (I'm referring to everyone).

For the system you cannot exist and it may not even be able to see you.

In short, I don't want to be a predator, that's for sure, and I don't want to be prey, and that's what I try to be.

For years I've said to friends, "This world is predators and prey. If you're not a predator, then guess what you are."
Most of them said, "What??"
Pray. I mean prey, lol.

You can consciously choose not to be a predator. I'm not sure that you can make the choice not to be prey, unless you've already had that experience. Do I believe that people now have more resources to learn (like here), and they are choosing earlier to stop being prey (without resorting to being predators)? I would like to believe that.

 

[Wandering Star]

I'm not sure that you can make the choice not to be prey,

Yes, that's what surrounds us.

The Jedi in the movies and the actions they perform in the movies.

What are they, predator or prey?