Session 20 August 2011

[manza]

Sorry. It was a response to "this is a typical result of a vegetarian diet."

It was a response of anger, projecting anger onto me. Quiet frankly, you are wasting the forum's time and energy here. What would you say about a person who asks a question, gets multiple responses that explain the answer and then continues to ask the same question?

it was a joke

 

[anart]

it was a joke

Okay. You're still allowed to read the forum, which will allow you the opportunity to get up to speed on some things, if you so choose, without distracting others.

 

[1984]

Sorry. It was a response to "this is a typical result of a vegetarian diet."

It was a response of anger, projecting anger onto me. Quiet frankly, you are wasting the forum's time and energy here. What would you say about a person who asks a question, gets multiple responses that explain the answer and then continues to ask the same question?

it was a joke

It would seem it was more sarcasm than a joke, by definition.

 

[Ca.]

manza, i believe these thought's are what the Moderators are helping you to understand. Try for a moment to have an open mind.

Native American Indian Traditional Code of Ethics
http://www.sapphyr.net/natam/nacodeethics.htm

Each morning upon rising, and each evening before sleeping, give thanks for the life within you and for all life, for the good things the Creator has given you and for the opportunity to grow a little more each day. Consider your thoughts and actions of the past day and seek for the courage and strengthto be a better person. Seek for the things that will benefit others (everyone). Respect. Respect means "To feel or show honor or esteem for someone or something; to consider the well being of, or to treat someone or somethin with deference or courtesy". Showing respect is a basic law of life. a. Treat every person from the tiniest child to the oldest elder with respect at all times. b. Special respect should be given to Elders, Parents, Teachers, and Community Leaders. c. No person should be made to feel "put down" by you; avoid hurting other hearts as you would avoid a deadly poison. d. Touch nothing that belongs to someone else (especially Sacred Objects) without permission, or an understanding between you. e. Respect the privacy of every person, never intrude on a person's quiet moment or personal space. f. Never walk between people that are conversing. g. Never interrupt people who are conversing. h. Speak in a soft voice, especially when you are in the presence of Elders, strangers or others to whom special respect is due. i. Do not speak unless invited to do so at gatherings where Elders are present (except to ask what is expected of you, should you be in doubt). j. Never speak about others in a negative way, whether they are present or not. k. Treat the earth and all of her aspects as your mother. Show deep respect for the mineral world, the plant world, and the animal world. Do nothing to pollute our Mother, rise up with wisdom to defend her. l. Show deep respect for the beliefs and religion of others. m. Listen with courtesy to what others say, even if you feel that what they are saying is worthless. Listen with your heart. n. Respect the wisdom of the people in council. Once you give an idea to a council meeting it no longer belongs to you. It belongs to the people. Respect demands that you listen intently to the ideas of others in council and that you do not insist that your idea prevail. Indeed you should freely support the ideas of others if they are true and good, even if those ideas ideas are quite different from the ones you have contributed. The clash of ideas brings forth the Spark of Truth. Once a council has decided something in unity, respect demands that no one speak secretly against what has been decided. If the council has made an error, that error will become apparent to everyone in its own time. Be truthful at all times, and under all conditions. Always treat your guests with honor and consideration. Give of your best food, your best blankets, the best part of your house, and your best service to your guests. The hurt of one is the hurt of all, the honor of one is the honor of all. Receive strangers and outsiders with a loving heart and as members of the human family. All the races and tribes in the world are like the different colored flowers of one meadow. All are beautiful. As children of the Creator they must all be respected. To serve others, to be of some use to family, community, nation, and the world is one of the main purposes for which human beings have been created. Do not fill yourself with your own affairs and forget your most important talks. True happiness comes only to those who dedicate their lives to the service of others. Observe moderation and balance in all things. Know those things that lead to your well-being, and those things that lead to your destruction. Listen to and follow the guidance given to your heart. Expect guidance to come in many forms; in prayer, in dreams, in times of quiet solitude, and in the words and deeds of wise Elders and friends

 

[rylek]

Thank you guys for another session! Much appreciated. :)

 

[François]

Sorry to bring a bit contradiction here in the current discussion on diet.

My humble point of view is that it seems not crucial to make the diet subject a so important one, nevertheless I find interesting to talk on any 'false' reason for being vegetarian - for me the only valuable argument to get any vegetarian orientation could be that this not so easy today to get good meat (i. e. without toxin) -

To be omnivorous in a normal way seems reasonable, with a caring attitude on food quality as far as is possible to have, and according to what is good for each one in following our natural and basic instinctive true knowing...

But all this is really badly too focusing on 3D, and :

Q: (L) Is vegetarianism then the way we should eat?
A: That is concentrating on the physical. The body is not important.
Q: (L) Does this mean that to worry about the body in any way is wrong?
A: Close. Don't concentrate on life in the body. Concentrate on the spirit.

- except perhaps when wishing to be more 'comfortable' in 3D for better helping the others...

The good idea is to get a new way of thinking focusing on 4D coming.

- for example :

Q: ... (Bubbles) Is it possible to enhance one's telepathy or psychic connection through Eiriu Eolas practice?

A: Absolutely as we have already said. Read the transcripts!

 

[anart]

Sorry to bring a bit contradiction here in the current discussion on diet.

My humble point of view is that it seems not crucial to make the diet subject a so important one, nevertheless I find interesting to talk on any 'false' reason for being vegetarian - for me the only valuable argument to get any vegetarian orientation could be that this not so easy today to get good meat (i. e. without toxin) -

Francois, we are currently embodied - ( I assume you are since you're writing on this forum) - and these bodies of ours are our interface with the Universe and its higher and lower energies. In fact, our brains are our most important interface. If we, as embodied entities, do not ingest the BEST food for our brains, our ability to interact with the Universe (our receivership capability) is necessarily limited. Is that concept understandable? The reality is that we are currently in the flesh - and our only interface with our true home, our true natures, is also within this flesh. If we don't do everything in our power to optimize the operation of these bodies, then we cannot be who we need to be to do what we need to do here.

Pretending we are not embodied and all that matters is spirit is not only delusional, it's really - really - ineffective when it comes to maximizing our receivership capability and actually Doing anything for ourselves or others while embodied here on this planet.

No, we are not our bodies - but for right now, if we want any chance whatsoever of reaching a state where can escape this time loop and enslavement that currently defines the human race, then we absolutely MUST optimize the operation of our physical vehicles so that our spirits can effectively act through them and there is no better way to do that, from all available evidence, than eating animal fat and protein - especially for the brain.

Or, we can sit and contemplate our navels, assured that our spirits are all that matter while we are devoured. We are embodied for a reason. Because, make no mistake - our spirits ARE who we are, yet our spirits cannot function in this reality in bodies that don't work they way they should - thus - it all leads back to diet if we are to have any hope at all of doing anything to remedy or transform our situation.

All the evidence you need of that is to look closely at how our food supply has been thoroughly poisoned and polluted in order to control.

Hopefully this clarifies.

 

[François]

Resuming : vegetarian : to be or not to be,

these are key words given in one of the early C's transcripts, in 3 points : 1 - brown / 2 - green / 3 - blue

that is it :

Q: (L) Is a vegetarian style of eating good for one?
A: Not usually.
Q: (L) What did human beings eat before the Fall?
A: Vegetarian.
Q: (L) So, until we go through the transition we are not really designed to be vegetarian?
A: Correct.

 

[François]

Anart,

I undestand well what you say, and that makes sense, no doubt. How not to agree?

You have not understood what I was meaning in my previous post.

What I mean is regarding food, personally I try to think simple.

And the simple way is to follow our basic true instinctive knowledge (we should have all, or to be recovered) to 'survive' in 3D world , and better to be 'comfortable' in 3D world so that we have a clear mind for better thinking and apprehend 4D coming in the better way possible.

So commonly human beings are considered as omnivorous beings who follow basic natural true instinct for getting food, and when well done (natural) this is a form of diet, so to speak.

To be omnivorous in a normal way seems reasonable, with a caring attitude on food quality (*) as far as is possible to have, and according to what is good for each one in following our natural and basic instinctive true knowing...

(*) paying attention to the quality of food we have to get because of various pollution ...

 

[Harold]

Sorry to bring a bit contradiction here in the current discussion on diet.

My humble point of view is that it seems not crucial to make the diet subject a so important one, nevertheless I find interesting to talk on any 'false' reason for being vegetarian - for me the only valuable argument to get any vegetarian orientation could be that this not so easy today to get good meat (i. e. without toxin) -

Francois, we are currently embodied - ( I assume you are since you're writing on this forum) - and these bodies of ours are our interface with the Universe and its higher and lower energies. In fact, our brains are our most important interface. If we, as embodied entities, do not ingest the BEST food for our brains, our ability to interact with the Universe (our receivership capability) is necessarily limited. Is that concept understandable? The reality is that we are currently in the flesh - and our only interface with our true home, our true natures, is also within this flesh. If we don't do everything in our power to optimize the operation of these bodies, then we cannot be who we need to be to do what we need to do here.

Pretending we are not embodied and all that matters is spirit is not only delusional, it's really - really - ineffective when it comes to maximizing our receivership capability and actually Doing anything for ourselves or others while embodied here on this planet.

No, we are not our bodies - but for right now, if we want any chance whatsoever of reaching a state where can escape this time loop and enslavement that currently defines the human race, then we absolutely MUST optimize the operation of our physical vehicles so that our spirits can effectively act through them and there is no better way to do that, from all available evidence, than eating animal fat and protein - especially for the brain.

Or, we can sit and contemplate our navels, assured that our spirits are all that matter while we are devoured. We are embodied for a reason. Because, make no mistake - our spirits ARE who we are, yet our spirits cannot function in this reality in bodies that don't work they way they should - thus - it all leads back to diet if we are to have any hope at all of doing anything to remedy or transform our situation.

All the evidence you need of that is to look closely at how our food supply has been thoroughly poisoned and polluted in order to control.

Hopefully this clarifies.

wow... thank-you Anart for that. :)

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

What I mean is regarding food, personally I try to think simple.

What if the answer is not simple? And what if your "simple" thinking is simply wrong, does that matter to you?

And the simple way is to follow our basic true instinctive knowledge (we should have all, or to be recovered) to 'survive' in 3D world , and better to be 'comfortable' in 3D world so that we have a clear mind for better thinking and apprehend 4D coming in the better way possible.

Our instinctive knowledge is suppressed by years of programming and being conditioned to eat and to enjoy toxins, so relying on a "feeling" is not a good idea, since you don't know where that feeling comes from. Research and experience are much better indicators, and much more sensible approach. For example - your "instinctive knowledge" is telling you to eat vegetarian, which according to all the evidence, is harmful. Do you not wonder why your "instinctive knowledge" tells you to do something harmful?

So commonly human beings are considered as omnivorous beings who follow basic natural true instinct for getting food, and when well done (natural) this is a form of diet, so to speak.

That's assuming that your "natural true instinct" is working right, but what if it's not? How do you verify if it is correct?

 

[François]

Anart,


Sorry I forget to add ...


You rightly say :

All the evidence you need of that is to look closely at how our food supply has been thoroughly poisoned and polluted in order to control.

I mentionned in a previous post within this thread that we should care about tab water because of fluoridation level which could be too high (and this is sometimes intentionally done...experiment for controlling)

So I am perfectly aware on what you are remembering, and I do not only contemplate my navels, even if I strongly think they are beautiful, and it could be more simple for me if I was just a navel in 1D...

 

[anart]

So commonly human beings are considered as omnivorous beings

Considered to be that by whom?

Francois, I know it is very difficult, but if you could learn to actually question your own thinking on things - on everything - you would benefit enormously. You trust your thinking and your understanding far too much, and that is a problem when that thinking is skewed (everyone's thinking is skewed). Human beings are not omnivores. If you would read the recommended books on the subject, you would understand why.

 

[Jacques]

Thanks so much for sharing this great session with us.

 

[François]

Sao,

I precise to avoid any misunderstanding, I am not vegetarian, I am omnivorous.

Often the most relevant answer is simple (dixit well known thinker)

I am assuming that my "natural true instinct" is working not so bad. I verify this because others say currenly I am healthy, for many years (periodic medical examination - mandatory for work).

I do my best to avoid 'enjoying toxins' proposed by others in increasing my knowledge on all could be proposed to me.