Waves of Extremes Across the Planet (Where is Next?)
California Weather: Heat peaks, and then a cooldown?
Session 24 June 2023
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Waves of Extremes Across the Planet (Where is Next?)
California Weather: Heat peaks, and then a cooldown?
Yet another cylindrical UFO, this time filmed entering the water off Jangkar Beach in East Java, Indonesia in May 2021. The object was observed trailing smoke, so it could have been damaged. See:
There was an interesting comment in the comments section: Exodus 13:21 "And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night"
This is curious since the C's once referred to "pillars of light", which they connected to the Orion STS (Greys):
Q: And that is always the way it has been. They appear as 'angels of light.' And, essentially, everything in history has been rewritten by this group.
A: Under the influence of others. And whom do you suppose?
Q: Well, the Orion STS.
A: Sending pillars of light and chariots of fire to deliver the message.
Since the 1990s, when Knapp (God, how old he is, haven't seen him for a long time) was the last time in Russia, the situation with UFOs and other paranormal phenomena has changed dramatically. More than 30 years have passed.
In the 90s in Russia (and throughout the former USSR) there was a HUGE interest in the topic of UFOs, alien abductions, communication with the souls of the dead. There were various "leaks of marials" from special services (like the KGB). A huge part of society followed this. Dozens of newspapers on the topic of UFOs were published, television and radio showed new stories on a daily basis, films and series were shot. There were many different groups of contactees with "aliens". One of the groups in Russia probably contacted those whom we know from this forum as Cassiopaeans (at least that's how I identified them for myself by comparing Laura's sessions and RA materials = a lot of coincidences). That contact began in 1994 in the city of Volzhsky (Volgograd region) and lasted for several years (until 1997), after which that group of people broke up (dispersed to different cities, some died). Unlike Laura, those Russian guys turned out to be ill-prepared for various reasons (including financial, spiritual, moral). But for the most part, they were unable to do the important joint spiritual work that was necessary to continue the contact.
If someone was interested in this topic, a book was published in Russian (available on the Internet for free) - Gennady Kharitonov "Dialogues with Extraterrestrial Intelligence". I also came across a version of this book called "Volga Conversations" in pdf - Скачать | Волжские беседы
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Returning to the current state of affairs in Russia (more than 30 years later) regarding UFOs and other things, this topic does not concern very many people.
Until recently, there was a global community "Cosmopoisk", which dealt with UFOs, crop circles and other things. But after the death of its leader a few years ago, this organization is almost dead.
There is also a REN-TV channel (the Russians smiled), which mainly broadcasts various rubbish (disinformation) about UFOs and paranormal phenomena. There are 5 more journalists (for the whole of Russia) who are engaged in the study of UFOs in Russia. There are Siegel readings in Moscow (for 300-500 people annually). And all, perhaps.
There is no state agenda on the topic of UFOs in modern Russia, everything or almost everything is classified by special services. Such is the state of affairs.
Is there any truth in the rumours that I have read about the Russians obtaining advanced technical help from 4th density STO Nordics, perhaps the same group who had offered help to the Eisenhower administration in the early 1950's but were rebuffed when the Americans chose to work with the STS Greys instead, as the Nordics had insisted on US nuclear disarmament as a pre-condition to offering their help whereas the Greys didn't. For the background to the 1954 Greada Treaty see: 1954 GREADA TREATY BETWEEN THE USA & ALIEN GREYS.
Incidentally, the C's confirmed that such a treaty was entered into with the Greys in the following session:
Session 9 October 1994
Q: (L) What, exactly, does the U.S. Government know about aliens?
A: That they exist.
Q: (L) Does the government have or did they ever have a treaty with any aliens?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is the treaty still in effect?
A: Never was.
Q: (L) Did they try to get a treaty with them?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Did the aliens refuse?
A: No. Tricked.
Q: (L) How long before the U.S. government realized they had been tricked?
A: 19 years.
Q: (L) What year was this?
A: 1972.
From memory, did the C's not hint in a recent session that the Russians were getting such assistance? My memory could be playing tricks though.
Kind of a lame recycling of old UFO lore (gray aliens contacted Western governments just after WWII and shared technology) presented as new-ish in an article published today.
www.jpost.com
And this guy has been talking the same for years.
Aliens are helping Western governments develop spacecraft, expert claims
A renowned UFO researcher reveals how aliens contribute to Western governments' spacecraft development and technological progress.
www.jpost.com
And this guy has been talking the same for years.
Fundamentally agreeing with the Cs, here are some (but far from all) of Ra's explanations about why STO "aliens" don't make physical contact with humanity, but STS does. All of this can be found by searching through The Law of One sessions by L/L Research. The Law of One (The Ra Material)
Ra said that the good guys do not land in spaceships because this would violate the majority of humanity's free will. However the bad guys (Orions) have landed and do land on Earth.
Ra said that the good guys merely project thought-forms that some can sense.
Ra strongly implied that the limit of STO contact was through channeling by those with STO intent and in dreams of similarly pure-seeking people. Definitely not physical contact.
Ra answered why the bad guys (Orion crusaders) might make physical contact.
Ra said that the aim of STS human elite Powers That Be was to unify humanity via enslavement into an empire that they control, and that alien contact could be used to further this goal, but the elite fight among themselves.
Ra explained why so many channelers who are STS in nature are spreading false messages of ET saviors, thus influencing humans towards STS behavior. There are many of these New Age people promising succor by good aliens, telling us it'll all be just fine, not to worry, and telling us that we need do nothing (in other words, promising a "free lunch").
Ra explained that the good guys don't take humans aboard their craft.
So, connecting the dots from Ra's statements. If there is something that looks like a big alien contact or invasion, it will bad aliens, for negative purposes, and probable that our human STS Powers That Be will be in on it for their own nefarious purposes.
Ra said that the good guys do not land in spaceships because this would violate the majority of humanity's free will. However the bad guys (Orions) have landed and do land on Earth.
Ra said that the good guys merely project thought-forms that some can sense.
Ra strongly implied that the limit of STO contact was through channeling by those with STO intent and in dreams of similarly pure-seeking people. Definitely not physical contact.
Ra answered why the bad guys (Orion crusaders) might make physical contact.
Ra said that the aim of STS human elite Powers That Be was to unify humanity via enslavement into an empire that they control, and that alien contact could be used to further this goal, but the elite fight among themselves.
Ra explained why so many channelers who are STS in nature are spreading false messages of ET saviors, thus influencing humans towards STS behavior. There are many of these New Age people promising succor by good aliens, telling us it'll all be just fine, not to worry, and telling us that we need do nothing (in other words, promising a "free lunch").
Ra explained that the good guys don't take humans aboard their craft.
So, connecting the dots from Ra's statements. If there is something that looks like a big alien contact or invasion, it will bad aliens, for negative purposes, and probable that our human STS Powers That Be will be in on it for their own nefarious purposes.
Claus
Dagobah Resident
Hi @Bethenny, since this was your first post may you could tell us something about you in the Newbies & Important Notices to All Members area, so we can welcome you to the forum.
Thank you and see you there.
Ravintsara
Padawan Learner
I've also know pet owners being incapable to finish their sentence when having a discussion because their pet would apparently do something that distracted them, the pet was complaining or asking for something, so much that they had to interrupt the conversation to address the pet's request or misbehaviour or whatever was going on. It reminded me of when I had my first baby and I was myself having a hard time to manage the baby and have an adult conversation with someone. I guess pets are considered like children for some pet owners. These days, my kid has been lobbying me all day to get a dog and as a solo parent, I don't feel like getting more lives under my responsibility, but I know how they can be great companions for kids. This session just made more scared to say yes.
Lyndi
Jedi Master
Searching on your question on Putin, MJF, this I remembered and found it in a long post on this thread, quoting from Session 8, 2023:
Vladimir Putin in the Cassiopaean transcripts
What I recall from another transcript posted some time after the SMO was that Putin was getting assistance from himself in the future and from his great level of awareness. That last quote I haven't found yet but it did stick out in my mind. I may find it later and add it. I can't rule out assistance from other dimensions and you could be remembering rightly, but I just don't remember reference to that kind of help being offered now.
The Soviet Bloc countries researched and found that telepathy, dowsing, etc., were reliable human abilities published as declassified info on the CIA website. According to Brit dowser, Dennis Wheatley in his book 'The Essential Dowsing Guide', the Russians were surprised the USA wasn't using dowsing in warfare or in various types of prospecting as the Soviets did.
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Thank you for bringing the Ra 'Law of One' material on this issue to the Forum's attention. One problem I see though is the issue of when does an alien no longer qualify as an alien from an Earth perspective. The C's have told us of a huge subterranean civilisation or civilisations which include Aryan humans, reanimated humans (soldiers), Orion humanoid types, Greys and Grey hybrids. In aggregate, they may number more than a billion beings. The C's even gave Laura some figures on one occasion for the alien presence on (or under the) Earth
A: Serve them.
Q: (T) So these humans are becoming servants for the aliens?
A: Workers.
Q: (T) They're slaves. (L) Now, this leads me to a question that I have thought about asking on many occasions. In terms of finite numbers, how many of these STS aliens of any different group, or any combination of groups all together, do we have operating on this planet at the present time?
A: Specify.
Q: (L) OK, how many Lizzies are operating on the planet?
A: 300,000.
Q: (L) OK, how many Oranges? [These would appear to be humanoid Orions]
A: 62,530.
Q: (L) How many grays?
A: 2,750,000.
Q: (L) This is not a pretty picture! (J) No s**t. (L) Are most of these inhabiting alternate dimensions or densities most of the time? I mean, it would be kind of crowded otherwise!
A: Back and forth.
Q: (J): Just like they said in the very beginning. (T) When you asked how many of them are here; in third density? (L) On the planet...
A: And others.
Q: (L) I didn't specify the density. Just in our immediate planetary area. (T) That's how many of them are working this project ....
When you add the information that the three gypsy commentators on Jessup's book The Case for the UFO gave about the operations of the L-Ms (Greys or Orion Crusaders?) and S-Ms (Secret Order Members) over a long period of time, including the construction of large undersea cities, especially in the mid-Atlantic, then you get a picture of a long-term alien presence here on this planet rather than an occasional breach of Earth's quarantine as presented in the Ra material above. If some of these beings have been born and reared on this planet, can they still be considered to be aliens or extra-terrestrials in the strict sense of that term? Indeed, the three gypsy commentators made a point of picking up on Jessup's comments when he said "... then there is no reason why intelligently operated contrivances cannot also be in the same celestial regions, and have escaped our attention, in spite of visiting our atmosphere frequently." by responding:
"VISITING! They Live here and Work here & build Here but fortunately all undersea"
The gypsy commentators also gave the impression of a very long term conflict between the L-M's and the S-M's over spheres of influence on Earth, which every so often breaks out into all out war both and and off the planet. Indeed, the two groups seem to have their own agreed, marked out territory on Earth, any breach of which might result in renewed hostilities between them. This point was illustrated by the following comment made by the gypsies in relation to Jessup's reference to a report of a dead "sea serpent" that had been found at sea in 1880 by sailors who had proceeded to dance on its upturned belly:
"IF SO CALLED "SEA MONSTER" OR SERPENT WAS A L-M SHIP IT IS STILL THERE UNDERSEA IF S-Ms NEUTRALIZED IT: THE L-MS WILL NOT HAVE COME BACK OR CALLED FOR IT, IN S-M TERRITORY."
You point out that Ra said that the good guys merely project thought-forms that some can sense.
Ra strongly implied that the limit of STO contact was through channelling by those with STO intent and in dreams of similarly pure-seeking people. Definitely not physical contact.
Ra explained that the good guys don't take humans aboard their craft.
However, the C's seem to contradict this to some extent where they said:
Session 30 July 1994:
A: Pleiadeans and many others.
Q: (L) How many?
A: 16.26
Q: (L) Are the sides equally balanced?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Do the good guys abduct people?
A: No. They may contact and voluntarily transport.
I have certainly read accounts over the years of people who have met Nordic type STO aliens who observed their free will and showed them only kindness. I have previously written about some of these experiences on the Forum. Indeed, the C's have suggested that we may soon be seeing their presence among us:
Session 9 August 1997:
Q: Well, what racial types are the 'good guys?'
A: Nordics, in affiliation with 6th density "guides."
Q: And that's the only good guys?
A: That's all you need.
Q: Wonderful! So, if it is a Grey or Lizzie, you know they aren't the nice guys. But, if it is tall and blond, you need to ask questions!
A: All is subjective when it comes to nice and not nice. Some on 2nd density would think of you as "not nice," to say the least!!!
Q: That's for sure! Especially the roaches! Maybe we ought to get in touch with some of these good guys...
A: When the "time" is right.
Session 3 July 1999:
Q: (L) Well, gosh! We'd like to get some answers! (A) We know that there are good guys somewhere...
A: They shall appear, as needed.
Session 23 August 2001:
Okay, are we near to the time of seeing 4th density Nordics among us?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Have any of us here met any?
A: Good possibility. [This might include though 4th density souls who have deliberately incarnated in 3rd density bodies at this point in the timeline in order to assist humanity - Barbara Marciniak's "light workers" from the Family of Light, as discussed in Bringers of the Dawn]
Session 13 October 2001:A: Close.
Q: (L) Have any of us here met any?
A: Good possibility. [This might include though 4th density souls who have deliberately incarnated in 3rd density bodies at this point in the timeline in order to assist humanity - Barbara Marciniak's "light workers" from the Family of Light, as discussed in Bringers of the Dawn]
Q: (L) Is all of this going to culminate in some plan that is being activated at the present time? Is this all directed to a specific outcome by the powers that be, so to speak?
A: Mostly; but unexpected twists and turns from opposing forces.
Q: (L) And who are these opposing forces? Are there good guys, or is it just like another "gang," as in global gang wars? Using "gangs" metaphorically here.
A: 4th density STO will manifest help for some 3rd Density groups.
Q: (L) Do any of those 3rd density groups that are going to be helped include us? {Laughter.}
A: Close.
However, this policy of strict non-interference by STO forces could be due to be dispensed with soon, given what the C's said here:
Q: (L) What group are you with?
A: Federation. Among many.
[....]
Q: (L) Will there be a war in the sky with the aliens?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Will it be between Orions and the Federation?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Will it be visible on earth?
A: Oh, yes.
Q: (L) When will this be?
A: It has already started. Will intensify steadily.
Q: (L) Why are we not aware that it has already started?
A: Disguised at this point as weather. Fighting part still in other dimension. Will go to this one within 18 years. Anytime within this period. Not determinable exactly when. Could be tomorrow or 18 years.
Ra said that the aim of STS human elite Powers That Be was to unify humanity via enslavement into an empire that they control, and that alien contact could be used to further this goal, but the elite fight among themselves.
When I read this again (not having seen it for many years) it really reminded me of the Borg on Star Trek, a concept which could have resulted I suppose as a psychic thought reflection of the Orion Empire beamed directly into the minds of the show's script writers (ref. Thor's Pantheum and the subterranean Aryan army of psychic projectors re. Project Awaken), which is exactly what the Borg are - a hivelike collective (social memory complex) of cyber-genetic beings (drones) where all individuality has been extinguished in favour of the common goal of seeking perfection. They constantly assimilate other species into their collective to gain their uniqueness and add it to their own. Indeed, the C's have also spoken of mind controlled drones:
Q: (L) Okay, next question: Who built the Hypogeum in Malta?
A: Ancient "circle people".
Q: (L) And for what purpose?
A: Rebirth, healing, manifestation. See answers previously given about Chaco Canyon.
Q: (L) To what kind of humanoid creatures do the dolicephalic skulls found in various sites in Malta belong to?
A: "Drones."
Also Session 20 October 1994:
Q: We would like to know what is the origin of the Gypsies?
A: Genes spliced. Slaves of dark forces. [Which might explain how the three gypsy commentators knew so much about the LM's and SM's]
Q: Who are these dark forces?
A: Same.
Q: As what?
A: Brotherhood. [Ref. William Bramley's The Brotherhood of the Serpent, which is a secret society comprising human and Reptilian elements linked to the Consortium and, in the human case, also to the Illuminati - the higher branch or echelons of Freemasonry]
Q: Does this brotherhood consist of Lizzies and various humans?
A: Yes.
Q: If the Gypsies were gene spliced, who were they gene spliced with?
A: Alien race, humanoid, and Atlantean drone workers. [I suggest the alien race may be the Grays - in this connection ref. also the
Esseseni hybrids, previously referred to on this thread]
Q: What were Atlantean drone workers?
A: Slave people controlled by crystal.
Q: Why do the Gypsies remain so cohesive? Is that genetically programmed?
A: Yes. And mind control.
It would therefore appear that the Atlanteans used drone workers controlled by crystal, perhaps akin to the epsilon workers depicted in Aldous Huxley's dystopian novel of the future Brave New World. See also the C's material on HAARP and frequency fences for more on the PTB's plans for mind control, remembering that mobile phones use crystals for receivership. Consider also the current transhumanist agenda, which will involve increasing use of nano and cyber technology to upgrade humanity (N.B. the Borg in Star Trek use nano implants to convert their victims into Borg Drones). As to using mind control crystals, this was also touched on by the C's in connection with the Tower of Babel incident referred to in the Bible:
Session 5 October 1994:
Q: (L) What was the event a hundred or so years after the flood of Noah that was described as the confusing of languages, or the tower of Babel? Session 5 October 1994:
A: Spiritual confluence. [Presumably to create a social memory complex?]
Q: (L) What purpose did the individuals who came together to build the tower intend for said tower?
A: Electromagnetic concentration of all gravity waves.
Q: (L) And what did they intend to do with these concentrated waves?
A: Mind alteration of masses.
Q: (L) What intention did they have in altering the mind of the masses?
A: Spiritual unification of the masses.
Q: (L) Who were the "gods" that looked down on the tower of Babel, at those who were building it with the intention of unification, and decided to destroy their works?
A: Lizards.
Q: (L) Okay, so the Lizzies blew up the tower of Babel. What else did they do to the minds of mankind; did they do something causing literal disruption of their understanding of language?
A: Close.
Q: (L) What tool did they use to accomplish this divisiveness?
A: Brainwashing of masses.
Q: (L) Did they do this through implants and abduction?
A: Partly.
This theme of Tower of Babel type control was also discussed in the session dated 9 June 2018:
Q: (L) Well, according to the postmodernists, there is no objective reality. They say that everything people think is completely culturally conditioned, and one truth is no more true than another truth or whatever.
A: That will backfire tragically. Think "Tower of Babel."
Q: (L) So, in other words, this whole postmodernist conception of there being no objective truth is similar to the attempt to build a Tower of Babel?
A: Yes.
Q: (Joe) The Tower of Babel was to be unable to speak the same language.
(Andromeda) It was to reach heaven.
(L) They were joining together to build this tower in order to reach heaven, and then God made them all speak different languages and scattered them all over. So the “unification of the masses” under the umbrella of Postmodernism has its own seeds of destruction of society contained within?
A: Right. Think of the strong fascist trend of the modern left.
Q: (L) Like the anti-smoking thing and trying to force vegetarianism, and “cultural diversity” and so forth. They have decided that they will arbitrate what people shall and shall not do under the guise of accepting all and anything that people might or might not do. It’s utterly bizarre. I'm trying to get through this Detmer book I'm reading about it but it’s difficult to imagine people coming up with things that are so retarded; I think it’s safe to say they are schizoid psychopaths because the thinking style is so characteristic. And they miss the big flaw: If everything is culturally conditioned or if there is no objective truth, then what a leftist says is equally culturally conditioned and as subject to the same conditions that what they say is not true either...
(Andromeda) Right. It should be...
(Pierre) The similarity with the Tower of Babel is that those people got together to become gods. It's the same as what the left is doing because they deny nature and the objective nature of the universe. And then they create “their” truth, and what they say is the truth, so they replace god.
(L) So in other words, this whole left attempt to take over our world is sort of what 2nd Thessalonians referred to as man attempting to take the seat of god in the temple, so to speak?
A: Yes. The Beast. [the Beast of the Apocalypse or Antichrist]
Charade
Jedi Master
Yeah, I think it's out there, but not always accessible. It could be that there's more UFO activity in 'Nordic' areas, drawn to the juice of the power centres, but that's just speculation.
I remember hearing one account of high strangeness from Malidoma Some, an African tribal elder and author from the Dagara. Quote starts at 13:52.
When he was younger, he was taken by five of his elders to the old initiation cave. One of them spoke in an unknown language, and a hatch opened up in the ceiling of the cave, a small man popped out, asking why he had been called. Malidoma recounts feeling like his body was being hit with an electric wave. He looked into the realm behind the hatch, and saw lines of miniaturized pyramids that were arranged to seem 'very inviting'. He interpreted all this in a positive way, concluding that he had seen the ancestral power inherent in Africans, and it was a major part of his life's mission to bring Africans into contact with this power. He advocates people giving over their bodies to 'the ancestors' so that they can be used as instruments in this world. He has a major focus on ritual. It all seems pretty sketchy to me, even if it's presented in very glowing terms.
UFOs or 'star people' have long been a favourite topic of conversation amongst Native Americans, too. The Hopi have a prophecy about disclosure, actually. Quote starts at 2:37:15:
The 'two-hearted ones' (the Hopi term for PTB and psychopaths) will make one last major push for control, by two different kind of disclosure - the first is that they will reveal that the earth will be destroyed in a cosmic catastrophe. The second is that they will reveal that they have a relationship with other-dimensional creatures (which we're beginning to see now). Put these two together, and the only way to survive is to go through the star gate with the beings who arrive, following them to this other dimension. One thing of note is the promise of extended lifespans. The Hopi warn that it's a trap - don't go with them, and stay with mother earth. The promised extended lifespan will be spent in slavery. So there is some resonance with the whole 'they plan to rule you in 4D' info given by the C's.
The Hopi are an interesting case, not just for their prophecies, but also their creation story or mythic history, which includes living underground during the last great catastrophes. They say that 'Ant People' took care of them down there.
The Ant People of the Hopi
The Hopi Indians have lived on the high desert of northern Arizona for thousands of years.www.ancient-origins.net
So there's some bizarre stuff going on here linking catastrophes, underground civilizations, kiva culture, ant-people, the Anunaki, Orion, etc. Anyways, for some cultures - particularly those who have managed to hold onto some of their old stories in the face of modernization - I think we can say that some form of disclosure has probably been an ongoing event for hundreds if not thousand of years.
At any rate, there's the English language bias that means we don't get reports from other languages/countries. But I think there's also a cultural or cosmological issue. There might be a lot of data out there, but Western media apparatus that we (woefully) rely on for news has the good ol' materialist bias, too. So we also don't get reports from other worldviews - even if they are presented in English.
Thank you for these posts about the Hopi and their prophecies. I found the parallels to what we have learned from the C’s really fascinating! It is also interesting how the Hopi elders are sharing their teachings more openly now.
I appreciate that I have already posted one response to your post above but I would like to add another, particularly focusing on the Hopi's use of the "kiva", which is a part subterranean, large enclosed circular area reserved for spiritual rites. In essence, I would like to draw comparisons between the Hopi (whose ancestors were known as the Anasazi, a Navajo word meaning "enemy of my ancestors," although the Hopi prefer to call them the Hisatsinom, or "Old Ones") and the Megalithic builders of Stonehenge in England and Göbekli Tepe in modern day Turkey, all of whom built circular stone structures.Yeah, I think it's out there, but not always accessible. It could be that there's more UFO activity in 'Nordic' areas, drawn to the juice of the power centres, but that's just speculation.
I remember hearing one account of high strangeness from Malidoma Some, an African tribal elder and author from the Dagara. Quote starts at 13:52.
When he was younger, he was taken by five of his elders to the old initiation cave. One of them spoke in an unknown language, and a hatch opened up in the ceiling of the cave, a small man popped out, asking why he had been called. Malidoma recounts feeling like his body was being hit with an electric wave. He looked into the realm behind the hatch, and saw lines of miniaturized pyramids that were arranged to seem 'very inviting'. He interpreted all this in a positive way, concluding that he had seen the ancestral power inherent in Africans, and it was a major part of his life's mission to bring Africans into contact with this power. He advocates people giving over their bodies to 'the ancestors' so that they can be used as instruments in this world. He has a major focus on ritual. It all seems pretty sketchy to me, even if it's presented in very glowing terms.
UFOs or 'star people' have long been a favourite topic of conversation amongst Native Americans, too. The Hopi have a prophecy about disclosure, actually. Quote starts at 2:37:15:
The 'two-hearted ones' (the Hopi term for PTB and psychopaths) will make one last major push for control, by two different kind of disclosure - the first is that they will reveal that the earth will be destroyed in a cosmic catastrophe. The second is that they will reveal that they have a relationship with other-dimensional creatures (which we're beginning to see now). Put these two together, and the only way to survive is to go through the star gate with the beings who arrive, following them to this other dimension. One thing of note is the promise of extended lifespans. The Hopi warn that it's a trap - don't go with them, and stay with mother earth. The promised extended lifespan will be spent in slavery. So there is some resonance with the whole 'they plan to rule you in 4D' info given by the C's.
The Hopi are an interesting case, not just for their prophecies, but also their creation story or mythic history, which includes living underground during the last great catastrophes. They say that 'Ant People' took care of them down there.
The Ant People of the Hopi
The Hopi Indians have lived on the high desert of northern Arizona for thousands of years.
So there's some bizarre stuff going on here linking catastrophes, underground civilizations, kiva culture, ant-people, the Anunaki, Orion, etc. Anyways, for some cultures - particularly those who have managed to hold onto some of their old stories in the face of modernization - I think we can say that some form of disclosure has probably been an ongoing event for hundreds if not thousand of years.
At any rate, there's the English language bias that means we don't get reports from other languages/countries. But I think there's also a cultural or cosmological issue. There might be a lot of data out there, but Western media apparatus that we (woefully) rely on for news has the good ol' materialist bias, too. So we also don't get reports from other worldviews - even if they are presented in English.
First I would like to provide a link to an informative article dealing with the Hopi Legend of Shambhala - see: Alien Races And Descriptions - 4
Where you quoted the C's on the Native Americans being fooled by the Greys (Star People) about abductions:
Q: Which brings up the subject of Native Americans. A big part of what is being taught by them at the present time is that the aliens, the Grays, and assorted others, are good guys - the "star people" coming here to teach us and to help us advance! They claim that it is a "good" thing to have contacts, abductions, and so on and on.
A: No. Corrupted message. Some early contacts were with benevolent STO beings.
, it seems the benevolent aliens the Hopi may have been in contact with were the the Pleiadians or the Chuhukon, meaning those who cling together (perhaps a reference to the unity of being at 6th density). They even considered themselves direct descendants of the Pleiadians. This reflects the beliefs of other Native American tribes as well:
- The Navajos named the Pleiades the Sparkling Suns or the Delyahey, the home of the Black God.
- The Iroquois pray to them for happiness.
- The Cree came to have come to earth from the stars in spirit form first and then became flesh and blood.
- Early Dakota stories speak of the Tiyami home of the ancestors as being the Pleiades. Astronomy tells us that the Pleiades rise with the sun in May and that when you die your spirit returns south to the seven sisters.
- They believe that Mythic Mountain is actually the home of the Kachinas. This mountain top is a sacred one. Being
the home of the kachina spirits it is the place where all of the large mythic beings they honor in their rituals land.
Chaco Canyon
As mentioned above, the Hopi's Anasazi ancestors (who may be linked with the Aztecs in Mexico) are especially linked with the stone structures at Chaco Canyon in New Mexico. According to the C's, this seemed to be a spiritual centre for those of rare talents or unusual abilities built, like Stonehenge, by Atlantean descendants:
Session dated 4 July 2009:
Q: (L) Okay, enough on that. Next? (A**) I was gonna ask about Chaco Canyon. What was it built for?
A: Gathering place for those of unusual abilities.
Q: (A***) Did anybody actually live there?
A: More like a "conference centre."
Q: (A**) So what happened to the people that used it?
A: Change of cosmic environment followed by earthly difficulties such as famine, climate etc.
Q: (J) What kind of things did those people with unusual abilities do when they gathered together?
A: Well, levitate, for one; direct manifestation for another; and "travel". [Cf. this with the Ancient Britons dancing at Stonehenge with the god Phoebus Apollo and levitating.]
Q: (Allen) So, could they travel from one spot on the planet to another?
A: Yes.
Q: (A*l) Could they teleport?
A: Yes.
Q: (J) Teleport... These weren't your average human beings then. (laughter)
A: No not exactly, but it wasn't the same environment you currently enjoy either.
Q: (A**) Where did these people come from?
A: Remnant Atlanteans. Descendants for the word sticklers.
Q: (L) I think that's because once, somebody made a big deal out of them saying "remnants of Atlantis" and they meant descendants. (A*l) Do they mean that if our environment wasn't so polluted that we could have super powers? (L) They said "cosmic environment".
A: Gravity is different now.
Q: (A*l) What happened to gravity? How'd it change?
A: Travels of the solar system through space. You are heading for another such change soon.
History of the Anasazi or Pueblo People
Chaco Culture National Historical Park is a United States National Historical Park in the American Southwest hosting a concentration of pueblos. The park is located in northwestern New Mexico, between Alburquerque and Farmington, in a remote canyon cut by the Chaco Wash. Containing the most sweeping collection of ancient ruins north of Mexico, the park preserves one of the most important pre-Columban cultural and historical areas in the United States.
Between AD 900 and 1150, Chaco Canyon was a major centre of culture for the Ancestral Puebloans. Chacoans quarried sandstone blocks and hauled timber from great distances, assembling fifteen major complexes that remained the largest buildings ever built in North America until the 19th century. Evidence of archaeoastronomy at Chaco has been proposed, with the "Sun Dagger" petroglyph at Fajada Butte a popular example (see more below). Many Chacoan buildings may have been aligned to capture the solar and lunar cycles, requiring generations of astronomical observations and centuries of skillfully coordinated construction. The Chacoans built their complexes along a 9-mile (14 km) stretch of canyon floor, with the walls of some structures aligned cardinally and others aligned with the 18.6-year cycle of minimum and maximum moonrise and moonset (Cf. this with Stonehenge where the legend was that the god, Phoebus Apollo, danced there every nineteen (18.6 to be precise) years otherwise known as the Metonic Cycle, i.e., the Moon’s 19 year cycle where it returns to exactly the same place (at the same longitude and against the same constellation) in the sky with the same phase.. When Laura asked the C's what this related to, the C's said it was "Symbolic. Tides, moon eclipses, that sort of thing. Think of Wiccans entubed on the information superhighway!").
Between AD 900 and 1150, Chaco Canyon was a major centre of culture for the Ancestral Puebloans. Chacoans quarried sandstone blocks and hauled timber from great distances, assembling fifteen major complexes that remained the largest buildings ever built in North America until the 19th century. Evidence of archaeoastronomy at Chaco has been proposed, with the "Sun Dagger" petroglyph at Fajada Butte a popular example (see more below). Many Chacoan buildings may have been aligned to capture the solar and lunar cycles, requiring generations of astronomical observations and centuries of skillfully coordinated construction. The Chacoans built their complexes along a 9-mile (14 km) stretch of canyon floor, with the walls of some structures aligned cardinally and others aligned with the 18.6-year cycle of minimum and maximum moonrise and moonset (Cf. this with Stonehenge where the legend was that the god, Phoebus Apollo, danced there every nineteen (18.6 to be precise) years otherwise known as the Metonic Cycle, i.e., the Moon’s 19 year cycle where it returns to exactly the same place (at the same longitude and against the same constellation) in the sky with the same phase.. When Laura asked the C's what this related to, the C's said it was "Symbolic. Tides, moon eclipses, that sort of thing. Think of Wiccans entubed on the information superhighway!").
Climate change is thought to have led to the emigration of Chacoans and the eventual abandonment of the canyon, beginning with a fifty-year drought commencing in 1130.
Although the article I quoted from above suggests that the ancestors of the Anasazi came to Angel Canyon at least 10,000 years ago, archaeologists seem to have only traced the culture back to 900 BC, with an Archaic people who lived at Atlatl Cave and like sites. They left little evidence of their presence in Chaco Canyon. By AD 490, their descendants, of the Late Basketmaker II Era, farmed lands around Shabik'eshchee Village and other pit-house settlements at Chaco.
A small population of Basketmakers remained in the Chaco Canyon area. The broad arc of their cultural elaboration culminated around 800, during the Pueblo I Era, when they were building crescent-shaped stone complexes, each comprising four to five residential suites abutting subterranean kivas, large enclosed areas reserved for rites. Such structures characterize the Early Pueblo People. By 850, the Ancient Pueblo population—the "Anasazi", from a Ute term adopted by the Navajo denoting the "ancient ones" or "enemy ancestors"—had rapidly expanded: groups resided in larger, more densely populated pueblos. Strong evidence attests to a canyon-wide turquoise processing and trading industry dating from the 10th century. Around then, the first section of Pueblo Bonito was built: a curved row of 50 rooms near its present north wall. Archaeogenomic analysis of the mitochondria of nine skeletons from high-status graves in Pueblo Bonito determined that members of an elite matriline were interred here for approximately 330 years between 800 and 1130, suggesting continuity with the matrilineal succession practices of many Pueblo nations today.
The cohesive Chacoan system began unravelling around 1140 AD, perhaps triggered by an extreme fifty-year drought that began in 1130 AD; chronic climatic instability, including a series of severe droughts, again struck the region between 1250 and 1450 AD. Poor water management led to arroyo cutting; deforestation was extensive and economically devastating: timber for construction had to be hauled instead from outlying mountain ranges such as the Chuska Mountains, which are more than 50 miles (80 km) to the west. Outlying communities began to depopulate and, by the end of the century, the buildings in the central canyon had been neatly sealed and abandoned.
Some scholars suggest that violence and warfare, perhaps involving cannibalism, impelled the evacuations. Hints of such include dismembered bodies—dating from Chacoan times—found at two sites within the central canyon. Yet Chacoan complexes showed little evidence of being defended or defensively sited high on cliff faces or atop mesas. Only several minor sites at Chaco have evidence of the large-scale burning that would suggest enemy raids. Archaeological and cultural evidence leads scientists to believe people from this region migrated south, east, and west into the valleys and drainages of the Little Colorado River, the Rio Puerco, and the Rio Grande.
KivasA small population of Basketmakers remained in the Chaco Canyon area. The broad arc of their cultural elaboration culminated around 800, during the Pueblo I Era, when they were building crescent-shaped stone complexes, each comprising four to five residential suites abutting subterranean kivas, large enclosed areas reserved for rites. Such structures characterize the Early Pueblo People. By 850, the Ancient Pueblo population—the "Anasazi", from a Ute term adopted by the Navajo denoting the "ancient ones" or "enemy ancestors"—had rapidly expanded: groups resided in larger, more densely populated pueblos. Strong evidence attests to a canyon-wide turquoise processing and trading industry dating from the 10th century. Around then, the first section of Pueblo Bonito was built: a curved row of 50 rooms near its present north wall. Archaeogenomic analysis of the mitochondria of nine skeletons from high-status graves in Pueblo Bonito determined that members of an elite matriline were interred here for approximately 330 years between 800 and 1130, suggesting continuity with the matrilineal succession practices of many Pueblo nations today.
The cohesive Chacoan system began unravelling around 1140 AD, perhaps triggered by an extreme fifty-year drought that began in 1130 AD; chronic climatic instability, including a series of severe droughts, again struck the region between 1250 and 1450 AD. Poor water management led to arroyo cutting; deforestation was extensive and economically devastating: timber for construction had to be hauled instead from outlying mountain ranges such as the Chuska Mountains, which are more than 50 miles (80 km) to the west. Outlying communities began to depopulate and, by the end of the century, the buildings in the central canyon had been neatly sealed and abandoned.
Some scholars suggest that violence and warfare, perhaps involving cannibalism, impelled the evacuations. Hints of such include dismembered bodies—dating from Chacoan times—found at two sites within the central canyon. Yet Chacoan complexes showed little evidence of being defended or defensively sited high on cliff faces or atop mesas. Only several minor sites at Chaco have evidence of the large-scale burning that would suggest enemy raids. Archaeological and cultural evidence leads scientists to believe people from this region migrated south, east, and west into the valleys and drainages of the Little Colorado River, the Rio Puerco, and the Rio Grande.
Ceremonial structures known as kivas were built in proportion to the number of rooms in a pueblo. One small kiva was built for roughly every 29 rooms. Nine complexes each hosted an oversized great kiva, each up to 63 feet (19 m) in diameter. "T"-shaped doorways [Think here of the T-shaped pillars at Göbekli Tepe as well] and stone lintels marked all Chacoan kivas.
Chaco's smaller kivas numbered around 100, each hosting rituals for 50–100 worshipers; the 15 much larger "great kivas" each held up to 400.
Great Kiva of Chetro Ketl
The Sun Dagger and Alignments
Two whorl-shaped etchings near the top of Fajada Butte compose the "Sun Dagger" petroglyph, tucked behind the eponymous rock panels of the "Three-Slab Site". They are symbolically focal.
This 11th century pictograph at Chaco Canyon shown above may depict the supernova of AD 1054. This supernova and the Moon were in this configuration when the supernova was near its brightest. An imprint of a hand at the top signifies that this is a sacred place.
Some parties have advanced the theory that at least 12 of the 14 principal Chacoan complexes were sited and aligned in coordination, and that each was oriented along axes that mirrored the passing of the Sun and Moon at visually pivotal times. The first great house known to evince fastidious proportioning and alignment was Casa Rinconada: the twinned "T"-shaped portals of its 10-metre (33 ft) radius great kiva were north–south collinear, and axes joining opposing windows passed within 10 centimetres (4 in) of its centre. The great houses of Pueblo Bonito and Chetro Ketl were found by the "Solstice Project" and the U.S. National Geodetic Survey to be sited along a precisely east–west line, an axis that captures the passage of the equinox sun. The lines perpendicularly bisecting their principal walls are aligned north–south, implying a possible intent to mirror the equinox midday. Pueblo Alto and Tsin Kletsin are also north–south aligned. These two axes form an inverted cross when viewed from above; its northbound reach is extended another 35 miles (56 km) past Pueblo Alto by the ramrod-straight Great North Road, a pilgrimage route that modern-day Pueblo Indians believe to be an allusion to myths surrounding their arrival from the distant north.
Some parties have advanced the theory that at least 12 of the 14 principal Chacoan complexes were sited and aligned in coordination, and that each was oriented along axes that mirrored the passing of the Sun and Moon at visually pivotal times. The first great house known to evince fastidious proportioning and alignment was Casa Rinconada: the twinned "T"-shaped portals of its 10-metre (33 ft) radius great kiva were north–south collinear, and axes joining opposing windows passed within 10 centimetres (4 in) of its centre. The great houses of Pueblo Bonito and Chetro Ketl were found by the "Solstice Project" and the U.S. National Geodetic Survey to be sited along a precisely east–west line, an axis that captures the passage of the equinox sun. The lines perpendicularly bisecting their principal walls are aligned north–south, implying a possible intent to mirror the equinox midday. Pueblo Alto and Tsin Kletsin are also north–south aligned. These two axes form an inverted cross when viewed from above; its northbound reach is extended another 35 miles (56 km) past Pueblo Alto by the ramrod-straight Great North Road, a pilgrimage route that modern-day Pueblo Indians believe to be an allusion to myths surrounding their arrival from the distant north.
Reasons for the alignments have been offered:
“As these people would view the heavens ... there was an order of things up there. What you had here ... contrasted to that. Some years it was too dry, too hot ... too windy, too cold. If there was a way to transfer the orderly nature of the cosmos down onto what seems to be chaos that exists here, then you begin to then integrate at this place both heaven and earth. And this would be ... the centre place.”
— Phillip Tuwaletstiwa, U.S. National Geodetic Survey, The Mystery of Chaco Canyon.
This seems to be a clear example of the ‘as above, so below’ Hermetic principle being applied. Moreover, just as Stonehenge was aligned to the constellation of Orion, Chaco Canyon was deliberately aligned to the Pleiades star cluster, more commonly known as the Seven Sisters.
Originally, the kivas would have been covered over by wooden roofs and would be a wooden and stone equivalents of today's 'sweat lodges' found in Native American tents or tepees, which are used for shamanic experiences, no doubt as their Chacoan ancestors once did in the kivas at Chaco Canyon.
The same is likely true of the circular stone structures found at Göbekli Tepe - see Michael B-C's thread THE ONCE AND FUTURE SKY GOD? – From Göbekli Tepe to The Zodiac – and Beyond… for more on this at THE ONCE AND FUTURE SKY GOD? – From Göbekli Tepe to The Zodiac – and Beyond…
The same is likely true of the circular stone structures found at Göbekli Tepe - see Michael B-C's thread THE ONCE AND FUTURE SKY GOD? – From Göbekli Tepe to The Zodiac – and Beyond… for more on this at THE ONCE AND FUTURE SKY GOD? – From Göbekli Tepe to The Zodiac – and Beyond…
These may even have served a similar purpose to the kivas at Chaco Canyon where spiritual ceremonies were concerned linked with what the C's said about Stonehenge - Symbolic. Tides, moon eclipses, that sort of thing. Think of Wiccans entubed on the information superhighway!.
Göbekli Tepe seen from above.
But what of that other huge circular Megalithic structure known as Stonehenge which at first site may seem to have little to do with Chaco Canyon or Göbekli Tepe. That is because we are only seeing it today as a ruin. Indeed, Laura pointed out the present crude appearance of Stonehenge to the Great Pyramid at Giza, the C's said the following in response:
Q: Obviously the Great Pyramid is a marvel of engineering - and Stonehenge is as well - yet the two structures are so dissimilar. The Pyramid presents such a finished and sharp and elegant appearance, and Stonehenge might give a person - of course that is based on how it appears today - a more primitive presentation.
A: Was not originally.
So what could Stonehenge have looked like once? Some idea may be gleaned from the following two articles.
New discovery around Stonehenge
Stonehenge ArticlesAltair
Sep 2, 2020
Scientists recreate prehistoric acoustics of StonehengeSounds produced inside circle would have been less audible to anybody outside, research finds David Keys.
Scientists have succeeded in recreating the soundscape of the inner sanctum of Stonehenge.
It’s the first time that the acoustics of the world’s most famous prehistoric temple have been accurately experienced for up to 2,000 years.
The main phase of the monument was built in around 2,500BC. Its major period of use lasted until at least 1,600BC. However, it’s likely that some form of ritual or other activity continued there, perhaps intermittently, for at least another one and a half millennia. Then, at some stage, half of the great temple was destroyed (today only around 50 per cent of the larger stones survive).
As a result of that partial demolition, the original acoustics were destroyed.
But now, scientists have succeeded in accurately recreating the monument’s original soundscape.
The new research – carried out by acoustics engineers from the University of Salford in Greater Manchester – has revealed that the 20-40 tonne stones acted as a giant amplifier, which increased the decibel count of various sounds potentially produced in the monument’s inner sanctum by between 10 and 20 per cent (up to 10 decibels), compared to a more open environment.
However, the research also demonstrated that any sounds produced inside the temple would have been much less audible to anybody outside the circle, despite the monument almost certainly not having a roof.
The findings therefore suggest that any sounds generated by activities carried out inside the circle were not intended to be shared with the wider community. This reinforces theories suggesting that the potential religious activities conducted inside Stonehenge were reserved for an elite of practitioners, rather than for a wider communal congregation.
Archaeologists don’t know whether the practices carried out inside Stonehenge involved any form of music or chanting or any other form of speech. But drums and wind instruments were used in western Europe, while Stonehenge was in use.
The findings from the new acoustic research suggests that deeper-sounding instruments like drums and lurs (giant ancient bronze horns) would have been particularly effective in producing strong reverberations and therefore greater amplification within the monument.
The Salford research has so far concentrated on how the acoustics of Stonehenge would have affected the human voice.
To recreate the ancient temple’s soundscape, scientists, led by Professor Trevor Cox, made a 1:12 scale model of what Stonehenge would originally have looked like before half its stones were removed.
That model – based on archaeological evidence – was then tested acoustically in Salford University’s sound laboratory, using the same acoustic testing techniques normally employed by sound engineers on scale-model prototypes of modern concert halls and opera houses.
Because the model Stonehenge was one-twelfth the size of the original, the sounds used in the test had to be twelve times normal frequency (ie extending into the ultrasonic range).
Salford University’s acoustic scale model of Stonehenge is 2.5m in diameter – and was 3D printed from a CAD (computer-aided design) software model supplied by Historic England which has archaeological responsibility for the monument. Using the CAD model, the scientists were even able to recreate the precise surface topography of each of the stones, thus ensuring a much more accurate replication of the original temple’s acoustic environment.
“Constructing and testing the model was very time consuming, a labour of love, but it has given the most accurate insight into the prehistoric acoustics to date. With so many stones missing or displaced, the modern acoustics of Stonehenge are very different to that in prehistory,” said Professor Cox.
The new acoustics research has been announced less than a month after archaeologists for the first time identified the source of the prehistoric temple’s giant stones.
Scientists have succeeded in recreating the soundscape of the inner sanctum of Stonehenge.
It’s the first time that the acoustics of the world’s most famous prehistoric temple have been accurately experienced for up to 2,000 years.
The main phase of the monument was built in around 2,500BC. Its major period of use lasted until at least 1,600BC. However, it’s likely that some form of ritual or other activity continued there, perhaps intermittently, for at least another one and a half millennia. Then, at some stage, half of the great temple was destroyed (today only around 50 per cent of the larger stones survive).
As a result of that partial demolition, the original acoustics were destroyed.
But now, scientists have succeeded in accurately recreating the monument’s original soundscape.
The new research – carried out by acoustics engineers from the University of Salford in Greater Manchester – has revealed that the 20-40 tonne stones acted as a giant amplifier, which increased the decibel count of various sounds potentially produced in the monument’s inner sanctum by between 10 and 20 per cent (up to 10 decibels), compared to a more open environment.
However, the research also demonstrated that any sounds produced inside the temple would have been much less audible to anybody outside the circle, despite the monument almost certainly not having a roof.
The findings therefore suggest that any sounds generated by activities carried out inside the circle were not intended to be shared with the wider community. This reinforces theories suggesting that the potential religious activities conducted inside Stonehenge were reserved for an elite of practitioners, rather than for a wider communal congregation.
Archaeologists don’t know whether the practices carried out inside Stonehenge involved any form of music or chanting or any other form of speech. But drums and wind instruments were used in western Europe, while Stonehenge was in use.
The findings from the new acoustic research suggests that deeper-sounding instruments like drums and lurs (giant ancient bronze horns) would have been particularly effective in producing strong reverberations and therefore greater amplification within the monument.
The Salford research has so far concentrated on how the acoustics of Stonehenge would have affected the human voice.
To recreate the ancient temple’s soundscape, scientists, led by Professor Trevor Cox, made a 1:12 scale model of what Stonehenge would originally have looked like before half its stones were removed.
That model – based on archaeological evidence – was then tested acoustically in Salford University’s sound laboratory, using the same acoustic testing techniques normally employed by sound engineers on scale-model prototypes of modern concert halls and opera houses.
Because the model Stonehenge was one-twelfth the size of the original, the sounds used in the test had to be twelve times normal frequency (ie extending into the ultrasonic range).
Salford University’s acoustic scale model of Stonehenge is 2.5m in diameter – and was 3D printed from a CAD (computer-aided design) software model supplied by Historic England which has archaeological responsibility for the monument. Using the CAD model, the scientists were even able to recreate the precise surface topography of each of the stones, thus ensuring a much more accurate replication of the original temple’s acoustic environment.
“Constructing and testing the model was very time consuming, a labour of love, but it has given the most accurate insight into the prehistoric acoustics to date. With so many stones missing or displaced, the modern acoustics of Stonehenge are very different to that in prehistory,” said Professor Cox.
The new acoustics research has been announced less than a month after archaeologists for the first time identified the source of the prehistoric temple’s giant stones.
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Sep 3, 2020More on acoustic properties of Stonehenge in this Stonehenge’s Stones Can Sing
Acoustics...
A BBC sound engineer saw the model on display in Bristol. He did not know what it was for, but exclaimed "This is the best building for sound and acoustics I've ever seen. The shape of the roof would be perfect to reflect sound. Stand in the middle of Stonehenge and speak, and the sound will be amplified by the conical shape of the roof."
The bluestones ‘sing’ when they are hit, resonating with an apparently unique twang that does not appear to reach the same pitch or musical note as other stones which merely ‘thud’.
This seems to reflect exactly what the C's said here:
A: Stonehenge used to resonate with tonal rill, teaching the otherwise unteachable with wisdoms entered psychically through crown chakra transceiving system.
[Note: the word "rill" is new to me. Webster defines it as a small stream or a little brook; to flow in or like a rill.]
Q: Was Stonehenge ever complete, with all the stones there? This author suggests that it was never completed because there are missing stones...
A: Of course.
Some previous theories surrounding Stonehenge’s sonic qualities – the way the stone circle would have captured and reverberated sound – had been rather dismissed by the experts concentrating on astronomy and landscape, but the new study appears to reinforce the importance of sound, and the sonic qualities of the stones themselves.
“We found it was a noteworthy soundscape, with a significant percentage of the actual rocks making metallic sounds like bells, gongs, tin drums, etc, when tapped with small, handheld ‘hammerstones’,” said Paul Devereux, the study’s co-leader, a research associate at the college and an expert in archaeo-acoustics.
“We found it was a noteworthy soundscape, with a significant percentage of the actual rocks making metallic sounds like bells, gongs, tin drums, etc, when tapped with small, handheld ‘hammerstones’,” said Paul Devereux, the study’s co-leader, a research associate at the college and an expert in archaeo-acoustics.
And an interesting idea on it having a roof Why would Stonehenge NOT have a roof ?
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Stonehenge - the rock venue! Architect's concept that the famous stones were simply the base for a vast Neolithic temple is brought to life by mesmerising models.
- Landscape architect Sarah Ewbank believes Stonehenge once had thatched roof
- Sarah believes iconic Salisbury monument was an all-pose Neolithic temple
- After making models, the architect believes it had a large oval hall overlooked by galleries in which the crowds might have gathered to hear the speakers below.
Published: 22:00, 2 July 2021 | Updated: 22:19, 2 July 2021
One of the biggest mysteries surrounding Stonehenge is how any of it is still standing, given the predations of souvenir-hunters and vandals including the great 17th-century architect Sir Christopher Wren.
He paid many visits to the ancient monument on Salisbury Plain and his surname can still be seen carved on one of its stones.
The Victorians were even more destructive, renting chisels to visitors so they could take great chunks of Stonehenge home, and over the centuries, farmers purloined stones for building their barns.
Perhaps they might all have had more respect for the monument, now a Unesco World Heritage site, had they heard the extraordinary theory being put forward in a new book by 62-year-old landscape architect Sarah Ewbank.
She would have us believe that the Stonehenge we see today represents the ruins of a majestic building which once had a spectacular thatched roof.
Landscape architect Sarah Ewbank believes Stonehenge (pictured) once had thatched roof
As mind-boggling as contemplating an upright Tower of Pisa or a Day-Glo Taj Mahal, this may seem as barking as other ideas expounded about Stonehenge over the centuries: that its layout was based on the female private parts, or that it was a site of human sacrifice or a landing pad for aliens.
But Sarah is deadly serious, and she backs up her arguments with the rather ferocious electric saw she keeps in the garage of her pretty Cotswolds cottage near Lechlade, Gloucestershire.
The feisty grandmother does not use this to intimidate those who disagree with her — although she is rather frustrated with the academics who have repeatedly refused to engage with her idea that Stonehenge was a Neolithic version of the Royal Albert Hall.
No, the saw is used to fashion ever-more detailed models of how she thinks Stonehenge might have looked. Each has taken about two months to complete and they have got bigger each time.
While three earlier models have been banished to the attic, version four is currently taking pride of place in the dining room.
Sarah points out that Stonehenge has a total diameter — some 30 metres — which is almost exactly the same as Shakespeare’s Globe (pictured), a very similarly thatched building
Built on a scale of 1:33, it is surprisingly persuasive. The moment you see the familiar stone slabs as the supports for an upper storey you think ‘Ah, yes, of course it was a building. What else could it have been?’
As to what kind of building, Sarah thinks it was an all-purpose Neolithic temple with a large oval hall overlooked by galleries in which crowds might have gathered to hear speakers below.
She points out that the total diameter — some 30 metres — is almost exactly the same as Shakespeare’s Globe, a similarly thatched building in which, several millennia later, the human voice could carry to every audience member.
‘It is unquestionably the right size for an enclosed public venue,’ she says, speculating that the scenes at Stonehenge might have been as boisterous as in Elizabethan times.
‘Maybe there was feasting in the galleries, with dancing and musicians playing below, or perhaps ceremonies took place to welcome in the solstices. It all sounds rather splendid.’
It does indeed, and Sarah contends that archaeologists have under-estimated our Neolithic and Bronze Age forebears who built Stonehenge over centuries, years starting around 5,000 BC.
Building blocks: the basic structure which can be deduced from what is left to this day.
Layers upon layers: architect Sarah Ewbank's theory has an inner wall and doorway.
A giant roof: Sarah believes the monument took the shape of an all purpose Neolithic temple.
Layers upon layers: architect Sarah Ewbank's theory has an inner wall and doorway.
A giant roof: Sarah believes the monument took the shape of an all purpose Neolithic temple.
‘They have assumed they were rough, tough, types who had advanced little from grunting cavemen and were hardy enough to worship outdoors.
But we know that the Bronze Age was sophisticated enough to have goldsmiths making absolutely stunning jewellery and they knew how to make copper alloys like bronze.
‘It seems obvious to me that they would have wanted to mark the winter solstice inside, under a roof, not outside in the freezing cold.’
It has taken five years for Sarah to develop her theory with the support of Crispin Scott, a 65-year-old retired Army officer who is her partner of 14 years.
They are both divorced, with five grown-up children between them, and Sarah has fitted in her research around her work and their shared hobby of bell-ringing.
‘Initially, Cris couldn’t understand why I was doing it. But as I got more into it, he realised that I was on to something,’ she says.
It has taken five years for Sarah to develop her theory with the support of Crispin Scott, a 65-year-old retired Army officer who is her partner of 14 years. Pictured: One of Sarah's model
Sarah has been in architecture for more than 40 years and has been involved in consultancy and planning for everything from historic estates to Oxford colleges. Pictured: Sarah's model
Her interest was first sparked when she saw a TV documentary about new excavations at Stonehenge. ‘I wondered: “Why keep digging down instead of looking up?”
'I could see its slabs were of a suitable size to be support piers for a roof and wondered if their layout held clues that would reveal its shape.’
Designing landscapes for more than 40 years, she’s been involved in consultancy and planning for everything from historic estates to Oxford colleges. But this task involved throwing her brain into reverse.
Instead of creating a design from scratch, she was trying to deduce what a design might have been from the four concentric formations of stones which make up Stonehenge: an outer and an inner circle, a horseshoe and an oval.
None is complete, and indications of where the missing stones once stood have been identified by archaeological investigations.
These suggest that the outer ring consisted of 30 pillars of grey sarsen stone, each about four metres high, somehow transported from quarries on the Marlborough Downs, about 20 miles away.
Sarah points to other famous historic buildings — most notably the Parthenon in Athens — whose roofs are supported by similar columns. ‘It’s a common building form,’ she explains.
It’s believed that these pillars were all originally capped by horizontally placed stones known as lintels.
Where these are missing it’s possible to see two knobs on top of each pillar which would have slotted into two corresponding holes in the bottom of the lintels.
Since gravity alone would have been enough to hold the lintels in place, Sarah argues that the knobs and sockets would not have been necessary unless they were supporting something.
‘Their existence suggests that the sarsens’ uprights and lintels were engineered as if to take the load of a roof,’ she says.
While the sarsen stones would have formed an outer colonnade, a wraparound walkway covered by the roof but open to the elements, Sarah believes it’s logical that the hall would have had a wall to give protection from the weather.
A sketch showing how Sarah Ewbank, from Gloucestershire, imagines Stonehenge looked.
According to her, the remains of the doorways within that wall can be seen in Stonehenge’s inner circle, made up of smaller bluestones transported from the Preseli mountains in Wales, some 150 miles away
Before metal hinges were available, doors were jointed onto pivoting vertical poles that turned when the door was open or shut.
One of the bluestone uprights contains a vertical groove into which such a pole would have fitted perfectly, while the two bluestone lintels remaining contain holes which Sarah thinks may have been used to secure a wooden board containing sockets for the door-poles.
Moving towards the centre of Stonehenge, the next formation is a horseshoe of four trilithons — sets of two stones capped by a lintel — with another taller trilithon at the end.
Sarah suggests that all were supports for a central wooden framework spanning the centre of the oval hall, with rafters radiating downwards to the outer circle of sarsen stones to support the roof’s lower slopes.
In her view, Stonehenge’s builders would have known exactly how to build the central wooden cradle she posits as holding up the roof because it resembles a large upturned boat.
Her final challenge was to find a purpose for the oval of bluestones at the centre of Stonehenge. She concludes that these supported columns held up the balcony.
While her fourth model shows this being reached via a spiral staircase, she admits that this is pure guesswork.
But she is more confident that our Neolithic predecessors were capable of high-quality carpentry using oaks from the woodlands which covered about a third of Great Britain.
All this begs a question. If Stonehenge really was a building, then how on earth did they go about constructing it?
Using her experiences of shifting weighty objects with very limited resources, Sarah imagines an ingenious arrangement for raising Stonehenge’s wooden trusses, the largest of which she estimates as weighing 20 tonnes.
This involves building a high platform on which each truss could be laid flat, with one end butting the top of the lintel before being hoisted upright with ropes.
So what do the experts make of all this? Over the years, Sarah has asked but received no real replies.
‘I would like to sit down and have a sensible conversation with them, but it seems anything challenging the view of a broad consensus of current archaeologists is routinely rejected,’ she says,.
But English Heritage is unlikely to be entering such discussions any time soon. ‘The idea of a roof on Stonehenge wouldn’t make any sense,’ says the monument’s curator, Heather Sebire.
‘Part of the point of the place is the majesty of the stones, so why would you put a roof on them? The bottom line is that there isn’t any evidence for it.’
This doesn’t sit well with Sarah. ‘Just because something hasn’t survived, doesn’t mean it didn’t exist,’ she says, and her book certainly makes a plausible case that the roof on Stonehenge did exist.
One thing is certain. Given the huge distances over which the stones had to be transported by land, the construction of Stonehenge was an astonishing technical accomplishment — with or without a roof.
Stonehenge — Temple Cipher Roof, by Sarah Ewbank, £24.95 including delivery, from stonehengeroof.uk
Architect's concept that Stonehenge rocks were base for Neolithic temple brought to life in models
Conclusion
Although Chaco Canyon and the Hopi may be separated from Göbekli Tepe by over 10,000 years, I hope you would agree with me that there is still a remarkable similarity in the circular structures, which may well have been used for very similar purposes, If the recreation of Stonehenge by Sarah Ewbank shown above is accurate, again there would seem to be a certain similarity in design and function of all three structures, at least where astronomic observation is concerned. However, the C’s also said that the builders of Stonehenge worshipped “Spirits, stars, energy”, which may have reflected similar beliefs held by the dwellers of Chaco Canyon and perhaps those at Göbekli Tepe.
This is very interesting. I actually never heard of him before. Apparently he left The Soviet Union when he was a child at 1973 and lived in the US since then. From his own descriptions it seems like his family were dissidents if they somehow managed to immigrate to the US in 1973.
In any case, he does appear to be one of the only sources who speak in English about Russian/Soviet UFO phenomena. So in this way it is easier to appear to be "Russia's best known UFO experts and researcher". Granted, he does talk about all the cases in a knowledgeable and entertaining manner, so it makes sense why he was asked to participate in various shows. I also learned some things while listening to the interviews you shared.
As for the Russian/Soviet UFO research, there was indeed a serious look into it. It was more prominent during the Soviet times. The most well known organization is Kosmoposk. Think of it as a Russan MUFON. Its founder Vadim Chernobrov put an emphasis on the field research. Kosmopoisk had periodical trips to various paranormal and "pathogenic" regions, documenting everything that they found or experienced.
Chernobrov had his own ideas, for example he was preoccupied with time travel and appearance of people "out of time". Can't say for sure that his conclusions were correct. It's possible that in many cases he was off. But Kosmopoisk excelled at collecting raw data and documenting it, so Chernobrov's work is still very valuable. He died from cancer at 2017 when he was only 51 years old. Don't have enough information to speculate if this was due to a gap in awareness, but what's for sure that afterwards Kosmopoisk lost its leader/soul. There is also a disadvantage that most of the work remains untranslated and thus not available to the English speaking people.
There is also a Belorussian offshoot. They are called UFOcom. As far as I was able to assess, it's a team if enthusiasts who are trying to make a paranormal research in Belarus while approaching in an acceptable research form as possible. Every case is detailed and has a lot of citations to every source that was used. And they have a lot of fascinating cases.
Another field of research is Bigfoot. David Paulides spoke highly of the quality of work that Russian researchers produced. Here's a video where he talks about it:
And thank you very much for the sesson. It was very insightful and interesting.
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This is very interesting. I actually never heard of him before. Apparently he left The Soviet Union when he was a child at 1973 and lived in the US since then. From his own descriptions it seems like his family were dissidents if they somehow managed to immigrate to the US in 1973.
In any case, he does appear to be one of the only sources who speak in English about Russian/Soviet UFO phenomena. So in this way it is easier to appear to be "Russia's best known UFO experts and researcher". Granted, he does talk about all the cases in a knowledgeable and entertaining manner, so it makes sense why he was asked to participate in various shows. I also learned some things while listening to the interviews you shared.
As for the Russian/Soviet UFO research, there was indeed a serious look into it. It was more prominent during the Soviet times. The most well known organization is Kosmoposk. Think of it as a Russan MUFON. Its founder Vadim Chernobrov put an emphasis on the field research. Kosmopoisk had periodical trips to various paranormal and "pathogenic" regions, documenting everything that they found or experienced.
Chernobrov had his own ideas, for example he was preoccupied with time travel and appearance of people "out of time". Can't say for sure that his conclusions were correct. It's possible that in many cases he was off. But Kosmopoisk excelled at collecting raw data and documenting it, so Chernobrov's work is still very valuable. He died from cancer at 2017 when he was only 51 years old. Don't have enough information to speculate if this was due to a gap in awareness, but what's for sure that afterwards Kosmopoisk lost its leader/soul. There is also a disadvantage that most of the work remains untranslated and thus not available to the English speaking people.
There is also a Belorussian offshoot. They are called UFOcom. As far as I was able to assess, it's a team if enthusiasts who are trying to make a paranormal research in Belarus while approaching in an acceptable research form as possible. Every case is detailed and has a lot of citations to every source that was used. And they have a lot of fascinating cases.
Another field of research is Bigfoot. David Paulides spoke highly of the quality of work that Russian researchers produced. Here's a video where he talks about it:
And thank you very much for the sesson. It was very insightful and interesting.
Thank you for this additional information. It is much appreciated. Paul Stonehill has appeared a few times on the Ancient Aliens TV show and other similar UFO related shows and appears to be the 'go to expert' on Russian UFO matters where such shows are concerned. As you say, this may be because he is among the few people in this arena who is fluent in both Russian and English. He tends to be factual and has obviously read the original official UFO reports where these are available. I would give him the benefit of the doubt as regards his genuineness, although I appreciate there are many disinformation agents at work in this particular field.
Sticking with strange phenomena in Russia, are you aware of what are known as the Siberian Death Valley domes at Uliuiu Cherkechekh? I attach an English language article about them, which quotes Russian researcher Valery Uvarov, who says that Siberia’s mysterious domes may be an ancient weapon built by aliens to protect our planet from any external dangers, such as meteorites or hostile alien forces. If there is anything to this claim, then it is likely that they are a pre-Deluge weapon system that survived the Atlantean cataclysm 12,800 years ago. The article comes with a Spanish language YouTube video about the domes. Although it may just be sensationalist clickbait, I have known about these domes for many years, so it is not a new story by any means. I know the C's once mentioned a valley in Russia where there seemed to be special magnetic properties. However, I don't know if this was the valley they had in mind
See: An ancient "alien defense" system in structures in Siberia?
What do you think?
Sticking with strange phenomena in Russia, are you aware of what are known as the Siberian Death Valley domes at Uliuiu Cherkechekh? I attach an English language article about them, which quotes Russian researcher Valery Uvarov, who says that Siberia’s mysterious domes may be an ancient weapon built by aliens to protect our planet from any external dangers, such as meteorites or hostile alien forces. If there is anything to this claim, then it is likely that they are a pre-Deluge weapon system that survived the Atlantean cataclysm 12,800 years ago. The article comes with a Spanish language YouTube video about the domes. Although it may just be sensationalist clickbait, I have known about these domes for many years, so it is not a new story by any means. I know the C's once mentioned a valley in Russia where there seemed to be special magnetic properties. However, I don't know if this was the valley they had in mind
See: An ancient "alien defense" system in structures in Siberia?
What do you think?
Thank you for the session.
It does explain why loved ones of the dying person appear at death.
