Session 24 October 2009

[Human]

I'm also thinking that we may want a completely separate FOCTM forum rather than making it just a subset of cass. What do ya'll think? It would be a stand along "online church".

Funny you should mention that, I was thinking last night that I should post my thoughts on this today.
Well as it stands having the FOTCM forum as a subset forum here will probably work OK in its initial construction/setup/tweaking faze (I know it'll be continually evolving, but more so at the start I think), and while it is mostly made up of forum members.
What struck me however is two fold. As it grows into its own entity, and people join (with no knowledge of the C's/wave/comunity and work here) I can see a need for the FOTCM forum to be more and more its own entity also. Also could there be some legal problems (I'm not a lawyer) with blurring the boundaries of the community by it being a subset here??

I know its born from the C's and the work here, but it somehow seems important that if it is its own free standing entity, that the forum (i.e. community) also be its own free standing entity. Just as the forum here is separate from the QFS. I'm sure there is a great overlap between what goes on in the QFS and on the forum here.....and if the forum here had just come into existence it may even be a good starting point to have it as a subset of the QFS community....but as its grown its become something else. This is how I see the FOTCM forum/community.

I know it may be more work to manage a separate forum....what I thought about is how feasible is it (perhaps from a technical point of view) to set it up here as a subset, then clone that section (of the forums database/members database) so that it can be split off when the time comes? Maybe this is an unnecessary step?

Perhaps there would be a way (to do both?) and have the subset forum on the FOTCM site without it being obvious that its a subset? i.e. the rest of the forum is hidden if you come in that end perhaps? a cross linked custom view of the same database?

My line of thinking exactly! :)
And, by reading this, I agree that FOTCM should have its own forum.
Previously I thought that it shouldn't be so, as FOTCM is like a child of Cass community and its founders are also members of Cass forum and Cass and FOTCM are totally interconnected, but as RedFox nicely put it, not making FOTCM forum a separate entity from Cass forum could only make complications in the future.

Either way, as this looks like adding work consider me as volunteering for any additional work if its of help to you all.

Count me in also. ;)

 

[Jacques]

I'm also thinking that we may want a completely separate FOCTM forum rather than making it just a subset of cass. What do ya'll think? It would be a stand along "online church".

I think it is a good idea to have a separate forum for the FOTCM. Since it is going to be our "Online Church", maybe it would be better to not mix it with another forum. Moreover, i think it is going to be a lot easier to see who is coming to the church regularly. ;)

My 2 pennies.

 

[RedFox]

I'm also thinking that we may want a completely separate FOCTM forum rather than making it just a subset of cass. What do ya'll think? It would be a stand along "online church".

I think it is a good idea to have a separate forum for the FOTCM. Since it is going to be our "Online Church", maybe it would be better to not mix it with another forum. Moreover, i think it is going to be a lot easier to see who is coming to the church regularly. ;)

My 2 pennies.

Actually that's a really good point, if having legal protection requires a member to be a in regular attendance of the church, it would be important to be able to prove that they are. Not only when someone logs on to the forum or how long for, but perhaps also what they have read/posted on too. Would be useful to consider this from a forum design point of view. I can see some lawyer arguing that the user 'just logs on and leaves the computer alone each week (doesn't actually read/participate in the church)' should it come to it....so covering this may be useful thing to do from day one.

*edit* having a separate forum would probably make it easier to prove they where 'attending church' and not just browsing the rest of the cass forum.

 

[Gawan]

I'm also thinking that we may want a completely separate FOCTM forum rather than making it just a subset of cass. What do ya'll think? It would be a stand along "online church".

I like the idea, maybe we can have the FOCTM in the Esoterica section as a separate forum "the online church" to deal directly with its own standarts:

-Members are given spiritual guidance relating to Mind, Body, and Spirit.
-Members are given practical and scientific guidance relating to the detoxification of the Mind, Body, and Spirit through simple dietary recommendations as well as the revived ancient techno-spiritual Eiriu Eolas Breathing and Meditation program.
-Members are afforded legal protection of Fellowship rights as defined in the Statement of Principles.

Then FOCTM forum could integrate Eíriú-Eolas - Breathing Program , Eíriú-Eolas - Guide/FAQ, The Prayer of the Soul" Translations and The Work.

I would agree...

It seems also imo like a difficult choice, like Redfox wrote everything is somehow interconnected with each other, for me personally I cannot think anymore without this forum and it's many many subsections: what's on your mind, diet and health etc., etc.
Because it is grown out of this idea.

But somehow maybe try to imagine someone who hasn't a clue about this at all (external consideration?), all these information could be overextended for this person. Maybe to have a door open, when someone likes to work on oneself (to take the extern FOTCM forum as a shelter, on the first hand), than later this person could take part in, in that forum, or something like that. Like of creating circles again. The most inner circle for people who "just" like to join? The inner circle who likes to take part in, or something a long that line? I think it also goes in the direction what Redfox wrote:

I know it may be more work to manage a separate forum....what I thought about is how feasible is it (perhaps from a technical point of view) to set it up here as a subset, then clone that section (of the forums database/members database) so that it can be split off when the time comes? Maybe this is an unnecessary step?

Perhaps there would be a way (to do both?) and have the subset forum on the FOTCM site without it being obvious that its a subset? i.e. the rest of the forum is hidden if you come in that end perhaps? a cross linked custom view of the same database?

Either way, as this looks like adding work consider me as volunteering for any additional work if its of help to you all. My FOTCM application should be on its way be the weekend.

This thought bothered me also, it would need more people to take care of new members of this separate forum.
When my application finally arrives, I wrote something a long that line, taking care of new members ;)

 

[ana]

I'm also thinking that we may want a completely separate FOCTM forum rather than making it just a subset of cass. What do ya'll think? It would be a stand along "online church".

I like the idea, maybe we can have the FOCTM in the Esoterica section as a separate forum "the online church" to deal directly with its own standarts:

-Members are given spiritual guidance relating to Mind, Body, and Spirit.
-Members are given practical and scientific guidance relating to the detoxification of the Mind, Body, and Spirit through simple dietary recommendations as well as the revived ancient techno-spiritual Eiriu Eolas Breathing and Meditation program.
-Members are afforded legal protection of Fellowship rights as defined in the Statement of Principles.

Then FOCTM forum could integrate Eíriú-Eolas - Breathing Program , Eíriú-Eolas - Guide/FAQ, The Prayer of the Soul" Translations and The Work.

I would agree...

It seems also imo like a difficult choice, like Redfox wrote everything is somehow interconnected with each other, for me personally I cannot think anymore without this forum and it's many many subsections: what's on your mind, diet and health etc., etc.
Because it is grown out of this idea.

But somehow maybe try to imagine someone who hasn't a clue about this at all (external consideration?), all these information could be overextended for this person. Maybe to have a door open, when someone likes to work on oneself (to take the extern FOTCM forum as a shelter, on the first hand), than later this person could take part in, in that forum, or something like that. Like of creating circles again. The most inner circle for people who "just" like to join? The inner circle who likes to take part in, or something a long that line? I think it also goes in the direction what Redfox wrote:

I know it may be more work to manage a separate forum....what I thought about is how feasible is it (perhaps from a technical point of view) to set it up here as a subset, then clone that section (of the forums database/members database) so that it can be split off when the time comes? Maybe this is an unnecessary step?

Perhaps there would be a way (to do both?) and have the subset forum on the FOTCM site without it being obvious that its a subset? i.e. the rest of the forum is hidden if you come in that end perhaps? a cross linked custom view of the same database?

Either way, as this looks like adding work consider me as volunteering for any additional work if its of help to you all. My FOTCM application should be on its way be the weekend.

This thought bothered me also, it would need more people to take care of new members of this separate forum.
When my application finally arrives, I wrote something a long that line, taking care of new members ;)

Yes that's true I was not thinking of FOTCM as a "only members forum" and in this case many people will not have at their disposal the needed help.. :(

 

[Gawan]

Yes that's true I was not thinking of FOTCM as a "only members forum" and in this case many people will not have at their disposal the needed help.. :(

Sorry Ana, it wasn't meant personally.
I really like your idea (what you wrote: Then FOCTM forum could integrate: Eíriú-Eolas - Breathing Program , Eíriú-Eolas - Guide/FAQ, The Prayer of the Soul" Translations and The Work.) and as I reread my post:

But somehow maybe [we could] try to imagine someone who hasn't a clue about this at all (external consideration?), all these information [of this current cassiopaea forum] could be overextended for this person. Maybe to have a door open, when someone likes to work on oneself (to take the extern FOTCM forum as a shelter, on the first hand), than later this person could take part in, in that forum, or something like that. Like of creating circles again. The most inner circle for people who "just" like to join? The inner circle who likes to take part in, or something a long that line? I think it also goes in the direction what Redfox wrote:

I meant it more generally, see the added comments in brackets.
;)

Hopefully it is more clear now.

 

[ana]

Yes that's true I was not thinking of FOTCM as a "only members forum" and in this case many people will not have at their disposal the needed help.. :(

Sorry Ana, it wasn't meant personally.
I really like your idea (what you wrote: Then FOCTM forum could integrate: Eíriú-Eolas - Breathing Program , Eíriú-Eolas - Guide/FAQ, The Prayer of the Soul" Translations and The Work.) and as I reread my post:

But somehow maybe [we could] try to imagine someone who hasn't a clue about this at all (external consideration?), all these information [of this current cassiopaea forum] could be overextended for this person. Maybe to have a door open, when someone likes to work on oneself (to take the extern FOTCM forum as a shelter, on the first hand), than later this person could take part in, in that forum, or something like that. Like of creating circles again. The most inner circle for people who "just" like to join? The inner circle who likes to take part in, or something a long that line? I think it also goes in the direction what Redfox wrote:

I meant it more generally, see the added comments in brackets.
;)

Hopefully it is more clear now.

Don't worry :), I didn't take it that way, it is just that you make me think of how people will benefit from the "online church" how are they going to see how it works and the benefits in all areas, if they have not acces to it..

It also occurs to me that the circles are more of an awareness nature, I mean the different circles could be not formed by structured sections, circles are levels of consciousness in the most external circle those of the same degree know each other and work with the same goal, the other degrees can have acces to absolutely everything, the restrictions are only a matter of ability to see.OSIT

 

[Mike]

I like the idea of both keeping FOTCM as part of Cass and not, but I think it should be separate in that a person that joins the FOTCM and comes to the forum might be overwhelmed by the amount of posts, etc to sift through to get to the FOTCM information. When health questions arise in the FOTCM forum and there is a thread in Cass already created that talks about it then it could be linked back to Cass and that way a person can be introduced to the Cass forum without needing to be a part of it.

 

[Aliana]

by BEAR
I like the idea of both keeping FOTCM as part of Cass and not, but I think it should be separate in that a person that joins the FOTCM and comes to the forum might be overwhelmed by the amount of posts, etc to sift through to get to the FOTCM information. When health questions arise in the FOTCM forum and there is a thread in Cass already created that talks about it then it could be linked back to Cass and that way a person can be introduced to the Cass forum without needing to be a part of it.

I agree - at first I thought it would be better to keep them together, considering the extra work and also easier for current forum members to keep up with the posts. But on further reflection, I think that as there are going to be many new members who are not familiar with the material, it might be externally considerate to not overwhelm them with too much information at first. There is such a wealth of information on the forum - but perhaps new members need to be introduced to it in a logical manner? One can get lost for days reading posts on the forum - and it's great for those of us with the background knowledge but might be intimidating for newcomers.

 

[Laura]

All good points being made, and the biggest one is that the FOTCM forum is for FOTCM and there will be a lot of members who would drown in all the info we consider to be quite normal. So we'll be setting up a separate FOTCM forum.

Also want to mention that once we get it up and running, we'll still be having a private FOTCM forum here just for THIS forum FOTCM members where we will discuss plans, policy, make decisions, etc. There will certainly be quite a few of you tapped to be moderators/helpers on the new forum and there will be plenty to do to get this ship in proper trim!

 

[LQB]

All good points being made, and the biggest one is that the FOTCM forum is for FOTCM and there will be a lot of members who would drown in all the info we consider to be quite normal. So we'll be setting up a separate FOTCM forum.

Also want to mention that once we get it up and running, we'll still be having a private FOTCM forum here just for THIS forum FOTCM members where we will discuss plans, policy, make decisions, etc. There will certainly be quite a few of you tapped to be moderators/helpers on the new forum and there will be plenty to do to get this ship in proper trim!

Sounds very good - a call for needs will be well-received here.

 

[Nienna]

All good points being made, and the biggest one is that the FOTCM forum is for FOTCM and there will be a lot of members who would drown in all the info we consider to be quite normal. So we'll be setting up a separate FOTCM forum.

Also want to mention that once we get it up and running, we'll still be having a private FOTCM forum here just for THIS forum FOTCM members where we will discuss plans, policy, make decisions, etc. There will certainly be quite a few of you tapped to be moderators/helpers on the new forum and there will be plenty to do to get this ship in proper trim!

I think that this is great! Then as was said earlier, references could be made to threads here if need be and those who are interested could take a look and see if they may want to wander around here a bit. ;)

Little by little, step by step we can help those who want to awaken. And for the others, we offer help and protection.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

All good points being made, and the biggest one is that the FOTCM forum is for FOTCM and there will be a lot of members who would drown in all the info we consider to be quite normal. So we'll be setting up a separate FOTCM forum.

I think it's a good idea to have separate forums. As the breathing program is supposed to be secular, "newcomers" may get a bit turned off by the C's concept, at least in the beginning. Maybe let them come "here" after being in the church a while, and this place could be like a "level" that they graduate to or move up. Kinda like those levels of Freemasons!

 

[forge]

Jewelry question: I got an email from Amazon, just as i was pondering similar possibilities.

Are these jewelry designs too nice, too sugarcoated, too fancy, too materialist for FOTCM purposes?

URL in text format:
_http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html/ref=pe_66140_13664180_pe_prehead/?node=2236298011

If QFG sees these or simpler colored metal alloy gold/silver/bijou jewelry for FOTCM okay to sell, i would like to apply for designing jewelry and presenting them as pictures with same quality and outlook as seen above. Also i could deliver 3D printable computer models and black&white silhouettes or pencil-style drawings or blueprints in 2D for goldsmiths.

It would be really nice if this could be a go and FOTCM could realize this as a profitable business in 2010-11. My aim is to receive few dollars or euros for the designs, which small money in Hungary is worth a lot more and can be used to buy a lot more food than in the Western European countries and in America.

Does QFG see jewelry selling as realizable like Red Pill Press; in this case a shop for T-shirts, mugs and trinkets? If yes, i would be happy to begin thinking on designs and submitting them for forum feedback to the appropriate section on cassiopaea.org.

 

[Laura]

Well, speaking of jewelry, we have a QFS member (Shar) who made me a "chakra" bracelet some time back. She was doing bead stuff to relax (her husband bought her the kit, I believe). I just LOVED it and so did all the girls in the house. So, of course, she had to make one for all of them. You can see it on my daughter's arm in this photo:

Also, if you look closely on the EE video, you will see all the girls wearing theirs. I've got some better photos somewhere, I'll see if I can upload one.

We kinda liked the idea of having some pretty "bling" that matched. So, about now, all the QFS ladies (and wives of members) have these pretty little bracelets. Shar also made some little bead sets with the chakra beads on them for the guys to count their breathing repetitions. Shar, if you have images of these that you can put on the forum here, maybe others would like to see them?

They are pretty, sparkly, subtle (nothing to "brand" them) and go with everything.

I figure that we can do some jewelry to raise money for FOTCM at some point but we would like to give the job to members so that it becomes part of the networking experience.

Added: found photo, uploaded, here'tis: