Session 24 October 2009

forge said:
If QFG sees these or simpler colored metal alloy gold/silver/bijou jewelry for FOTCM okay to sell, i would like to apply for designing jewelry and presenting them as pictures with same quality and outlook as seen above. Also i could deliver 3D printable computer models and black&white silhouettes or pencil-style drawings or blueprints in 2D for goldsmiths.

It would be really nice if this could be a go and FOTCM could realize this as a profitable business in 2010-11. My aim is to receive few dollars or euros for the designs, which small money in Hungary is worth a lot more and can be used to buy a lot more food than in the Western European countries and in America.

Does QFG see jewelry selling as realizable like Red Pill Press; in this case a shop for T-shirts, mugs and trinkets? If yes, i would be happy to begin thinking on designs and submitting them for forum feedback to the appropriate section on cassiopaea.org.

I think your enthusiasm is great, but you might need to cool your jets just a bit. At some point, we'll further incorporate FOTCM jewelry, and other items, for fund raising purposes for our fledgling church and designs will certainly be welcomed - on a volunteer basis. We really aren't in a position yet to pay anyone a few dollars for anything they contribute - design or material wise, so all ideas will have to be offered up as contributions to the FOTCM.

Of course, where it goes from there is anyone's guess! So, for now, understand we have some things in the works and we'll be addressing these at the right time, but keep those ideas flowing!
 
Laura said:
Well, speaking of jewelry, we have a QFS member (Shar) who made me a "chakra" bracelet some time back. She was doing bead stuff to relax (her husband bought her the kit, I believe). I just LOVED it and so did all the girls in the house. So, of course, she had to make one for all of them. You can see it on my daughter's arm in this photo:

I love this idea! I'd definitely buy a bead set for counting breaths, and the bracelets for the ladies look great.

Oh, and I dunno if this means anything, but your first image with the puppy is an interesting little synchronicity - yesterday I was going through my email and came across a photo my brother sent; it's of one of his husky dog's pups:

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I was struck by the similarity of your picture to his. :)
 
Laura said:
Well, speaking of jewelry, we have a QFS member (Shar) who made me a "chakra" bracelet some time back. She was doing bead stuff to relax (her husband bought her the kit, I believe). I just LOVED it and so did all the girls in the house. So, of course, she had to make one for all of them. [..] Also, if you look closely on the EE video, you will see all the girls wearing theirs. I've got some better photos somewhere, I'll see if I can upload one.
You are also wearing it on the knowledge and being video.

Laura said:
I figure that we can do some jewelry to raise money for FOTCM at some point but we would like to give the job to members so that it becomes part of the networking experience.
Okay. I will try to become a member first, again, if possible.

anart said:
I think your enthusiasm is great, but you might need to cool your jets just a bit. At some point, we'll further incorporate FOTCM jewelry, and other items, for fund raising purposes for our fledgling church and designs will certainly be welcomed - on a volunteer basis. We really aren't in a position yet to pay anyone a few dollars for anything they contribute - design or material wise, so all ideas will have to be offered up as contributions to the FOTCM.[..]
Sorry, i forgot to add - couldn't edit the post - that a small payment i thought of only in case there is already a good profitable business established and going on for months. First comes however the QFS membership requirement, which in my case doesn't look to be a possibility, considering my past. If membership isn't ruled out still, i should work toward that goal first. Since doing EE exercises i can only imagine my future as actively working in FOTCM: naturally i plan to fulfil all needed requirements to reach this goal. Not contributing directly somehow when i can, using my talents, i think, is simply not reasonable.
 
Forge, remind me again why you think you can't be a member of FOTCM?
 
Laura said:
Forge, remind me again why you think you can't be a member of FOTCM?
You meant FOTCM membership? That's great, i'm already brightened up, it's doable and gives hope! For a loner like myself these things count a lot! I sort my finances out, send the application and join building a brighter future!
 
Shar said:
I think it's a good idea to have separate forums. As the breathing program is supposed to be secular, "newcomers" may get a bit turned off by the C's concept, at least in the beginning. Maybe let them come "here" after being in the church a while, and this place could be like a "level" that they graduate to or move up. Kinda like those levels of Freemasons! :evil:

Speaking of which could the C's stuff be omitted from the breathing program page? I want to send the link to several people, but they could be turned off by that.

forge said:
First comes however the QFS membership requirement, which in my case doesn't look to be a possibility, considering my past.

I don't know why you're making these assumptions. I don't see how being a QFS member is a requirement. Also, you state this doesn't look to be possible due to your past, but you don't actually explain what it is about your past that in your eyes disqualifies you. And when asked why, you avoided answering it.
 
My impression was that Forge got confused and thought QFS membership was being required, rather than FOTCM membership. And it's my impression that not everyone who applies for QFS membership is granted admission. There is a screening process and Forge must feel that sufficient development to pass that screening has yet to be achieved - a private matter, in my opinion.
 
Laura said:
Shar, if you have images of these that you can put on the forum here, maybe others would like to see them?

Hi,

Oh phooey, how do I upload a photo from my computer, do I have to host it somewhere else and link to it?

Actually, some jewelry incorporating the new logo would be really cool, too.

I like the photo of you all holding hands!
 
Laura said:
All good points being made, and the biggest one is that the FOTCM forum is for FOTCM and there will be a lot of members who would drown in all the info we consider to be quite normal. So we'll be setting up a separate FOTCM forum.

Also want to mention that once we get it up and running, we'll still be having a private FOTCM forum here just for THIS forum FOTCM members where we will discuss plans, policy, make decisions, etc. There will certainly be quite a few of you tapped to be moderators/helpers on the new forum and there will be plenty to do to get this ship in proper trim!

Sounds like the best all-around solution. Will there be a link from this forum to FOTCM forum?
 
Bohort said:
Shar said:
Oh phooey, how do I upload a photo from my computer, do I have to host it somewhere else and link to it?

Hi Shar,

See that thread for more info.

OK, I need to post them somewhere else then and link here. I do have a photobucket account. I'll try and do it later, need to get ready for work now.
 
Nathan said:
Speaking of which could the C's stuff be omitted from the breathing program page? I want to send the link to several people, but they could be turned off by that.

Done. See: http://paleochristianity.org/eiriu-eolas/
 
anart said:
We really aren't in a position yet to pay anyone a few dollars for anything they contribute - design or material wise, so all ideas will have to be offered up as contributions to the FOTCM.

We would definitely love to be in the position to be able to pay people for their services. In fact, we really need to get to that point soon. Most of you probably don't know what it takes to do all that we do now and how few people and little money it is all done with. While we are still working on the projects we have been working for some time, we have a whole lot of new projects in the works. Not to put too fine a point on it, but to get those done we are going to need to raise some funds.

For example, most of you are aware of the ongoing translation of articles and books. We are also translating audio, now. Translating the text is not such a big deal, thanks to the folks around the world who donate their time for the task. But that is only the beginning. Once we have the translated text, it needs to be recorded.

I've put together a serviceable recording studio here with a couple thousand of my own money for equipment and software. That covers us for recording Laura and recording music for the time being, but not for recording translations. A few of our translators have done test recordings from home by hooking up a mic to their computer. I've been really impressed by the quality of their voices, but the quality of the recordings renders them unusable. To do this right, we need to be able to bring people here to sit down in our studio and record with high quality mics in a controlled environment.

The thing is, we don't have that money. So here is where I make the blatant pitch. :o)

Those of us who work to make all of this available to you do so without getting a penny for our work. Here at the château we get room and board, but it is a labor of love. We do it because it needs to be done and there is nothing at all that we'd rather be doing with our lives. There is nothing else at all that is worth doing. Other people work full-time jobs all day then come home and spend hours laboring at their computers to moderate this forum, research, translate, etc. Given our current resources, we are stretched just about as far as we can stretch. We need to do even more, and we will do more. The question is how we are going to do it.

Keep in mind that FOTCM is now real. This is a vehicle we can all belong to and help grow. As it grows and expands, members will be able to work within it and be supported by it. Which brings us right back to what Anart was saying.

So, who has some thoughts about this?


A: Those individuals who still think that you can get something for nothing will find themselves blocked.

Q: (L) Well, what is the nature of this kind of thing? I mean, what do you mean "blocked"?

A: It can take 2 main forms: In the STO candidate, it can be blocked by the subconscious process that knows there is an imbalance. In the "others" it is simply that they are not on the correct frequency to receive. Remember "receivership capability" and also capacity.

Q: (L) In other words, somebody could conceivably, ya know, pay a million dollars for the program and if they were a billionaire and it was a drop in the bucket to their income, or even if they were doing it manipulatively to gain for the self, they would still not be able to get anything out of it even though they had made an exchange because they would still not be at the frequency to understand. Is that correct?

A: Yes. Remember the "widow's mite".

Q: (Joe) The Widow's Mite? (L) It's a story in the bible. It's a small amount. Ya know, the rich man who gave a lot and thought he would buy salvation, and then the poor widow who gave a little bit but it was all she had - she gave all. So the principle is giving all, but not necessarily in the sense of money. Is that what we're getting at here?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Okay. Well, we have a whole other list of questions from the forum and I guess we ought to get onto them now...

A: No, that must wait. The world is hurtling through space in its move toward destiny, and many of those questions are of little consequence. Besides, our interaction with you is not to pass messages to others of a more or less trivial nature. Additionally, for many of these questions to be answerable, a similar frequency issue comes into play. You, PERSONALLY, in your mind, must be seeking the answer, and it must be important to your path of destiny. Otherwise it is no more or less accurate than any old "psychic". And "any old psychic" you AIN'T!
 
The Eiriu Eolas page is superbly written and, most importantly, is something I'm sure members will be confident in sharing. Much appreciated!

Burma Jones said:
To do this right, we need to be able to bring people here to sit down in our studio and record with high quality mics in a controlled environment.

The thing is, we don't have that money. So here is where I make the blatant pitch. :o)

What sort of costs are you looking at for these flights, ballpark figure wise?
 
Nathan said:
What sort of costs are you looking at for these flights, ballpark figure wise?

That's a difficult one to answer. Some translators are closer than others. Some might also need help with expenses if coming here to read translations would take them away from work.
 
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