Session 3 September 2008

Laura

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The question about silver was asked by a guest who was present at the session who has researched the topic extensively. He handles and promotes a particular product. He has provided me with some of this product and I think it is superior even to the CS we have made here at home. He is a forum member, so hopefully he will let everyone know the name of the product and where you can obtain it.
 

Raintree

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I see. Well taking a risk on a gut feeling, I've actually already purchased the "BioPharma" ECS that I put a link to in my previous post. I've been very desperate to find a cure for my health problems for a very long time now, and so I am willing to take this risk. Been to doctors and specialists and everything to no avail. I am actually just about finished doing the "the Colon Cleansing Kit" by choosing to do it with its "best option" where you do a five day fast. So in the near future I will be using this ECS in tandem with powerful probiotics to see if it will work for me, or not. I will let the group know what happens and thank you for sharing this session and also the further info above.

Edit: PS, in the near future I will also be adding more magnesium (from natural sources as much as possible) to my diet in this experiment, as my health problems have in high possibility depleted my levels, or so I think.
 

Laura

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s said:
I see. Well taking a risk on a gut feeling, I've actually already purchased the "BioPharma" ECS that I put a link to in my previous post. I've been very desperate to find a cure for my health problems for a very long time now, and so I am willing to take this risk. Been to doctors and specialists and everything to no avail. I am actually just about finished doing the "the Colon Cleansing Kit" by choosing to do it with its "best option" where you do a five day fast. So in the near future I will be using this ECS in tandem with powerful probiotics to see if it will work for me, or not. I will let the group know what happens and thank you for sharing this session and also the further info above.

Edit: PS, in the near future I will also be adding more magnesium (from natural sources as much as possible) to my diet in this experiment, as my health problems have in high possibility depleted my levels, or so I think.
Do read the Candida, detoxify and magnesium threads in the Health forum. I've posted a detox program that we have been following here and it seems to be quite effective.

It's not very likely that you will get enough magnesium from foods because from reading the book "The Magnesium Miracle," it looks like the quality of even fresh and organic foods is not that high. Also, it can take years to get the magnesium you need back in your body from food sources and even from supplementation; I've been using the "magic oil" but have discovered that just finding a source of magnesium chloride and putting it in the bath or mixing it in water and spreading it on the skin or soaking the feet in it is as good or better.
 

RedFox

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Laura said:
The question about silver was asked by a guest who was present at the session who has researched the topic extensively. He handles and promotes a particular product. He has provided me with some of this product and I think it is superior even to the CS we have made here at home. He is a forum member, so hopefully he will let everyone know the name of the product and where you can obtain it.
_http://www.lifesilver.com
is that the one??
I remember Rabelais posting about it in a thread I posted a while ago.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8598.msg61530#msg61530
 

Rabelais

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s said:
I have an question I would like to ask. Does anyone know if the Elemental Colloidal Silver (ECS) that is being talked about in the above session is something like the following brand?

http://www.shopwiki.com/search/Colloidal+Silver

I am referring to the one that is supposed to be an "elemental silver" for 13 dollars...

Or is it actually only the following "patented" ECS product from this site and other sites carrying the same product:

http://www.advancedsilversolution.com/

?

edit: here is the actual company site:

https://www.nutronix.com/store/products.asp?page=product&cat1=75
Hi s, I am (DD) in this Sept 3 session. I have been working with American Biotech Labs for the past ten years, which is the source of the products referred to in this session. I don't think that any of the products listed on your wiki page link are from ABL, but I cannot be certain. There are many sellers of silver products that make many claims that are difficult to verify. The advancedsilversolution.com site is a private labeled ABL product. When you are comparing pricing on these products you need to know the volume of the bottle in question, as ABL has private label agreements with resellers and multi-livel marketers that package in as small as 2 ounce bottles, Caveat emptor.

Our group created the http://www.lifesilver.com website almost 4 years ago to get more information out about these newest technology silver products, and to make them available to a wider audience. The research work done by Dr Rustum Roy, at the Penn State University Materials Science Department, calls these sols; nano-catalytic silver hydrosols, as opposed to colloidal silver, since they perform and demonstrate properties that are beyond conventional colloids.

Much of the science generated from independent lab and university research can be found posted here, in their original form: _http://www.lifesilver.com/studies.htm

There is a recent in vivo study that was conducted with H5N1 and some of its sub-variants, and an HIV study. This will be up at the lifesilver site soon. It was very encouraging, in that it demonstrates that there is now an effective non-toxic prophylaxis for these viral diseases which can be taken daily.

Laura's comments that the samples that I gave her are superior to their homemade silver goes without saying. Low voltage home generated silvers are ionic and not pure elemental. Ionic silvers, which most commercially available colloids are, will readily bind with other elements which they come into contact with in the body, creating compounds that may or may not have any effect on the condition for which they are being consumed. They are also devastating to intestinal probiotics and probiotic supplementation should be taken in conjunction with them to avoid a die off of necessary and beneficial gut flora.

http://www.lifesilver.com processes and ships all orders within 24 hours (often the same day) and uses 2 day delivery, in the US, via USPS Priority Mail. International orders use USPS International Priority Mail which arrives usually in about 1 week. You can also find these American Biotech Labs products, in the US, in most of the better health food stores and vitamin shops, sold under the brand name Silver Biotics.

Edit Update: After posting the above, I discovered that ABL now has the H5N1 (avian flu) published study up at their site:

http://www.americanbiotechlabs.com/peerReviews/HIVandBirdFluPeerReviewedPaper.pdf

Also, there is a 45 minute audio presentation, By Dr Gordon Pederson, First Line of Defense, available for listening here. Since there is so much to know about these products and it is difficult to cover it all at one time, I commend Dr Pederson's presentation and highly recommend it to those who are just learning about these silver sols. He covers a lot of territory. Apologies if it comes off as a bit of a marketing tool, as that is what it is, but it is still a pretty impressive gathering of information. Do not let its commercialness turn you off from the information contained within:

http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com/musicList.php?pg=musicnew&cid=11
 

Raintree

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Thank you Laura for the further info. I will read the health forum on detoxification as you've mentioned.

Also thank you DD for pointing out exactly which ECS was being referred to. It seems that the one that I've already purchased from Nurtronix is of the same type silver, which doesn't harm good bacteria, yet only 22 ppm rather then 30 ppm and also more expensive. Hence, I will purchase my future supplies from http://www.lifesilver.com
 

Nienna

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Laura said:
It's not very likely that you will get enough magnesium from foods because from reading the book "The Magnesium Miracle," it looks like the quality of even fresh and organic foods is not that high. Also, it can take years to get the magnesium you need back in your body from food sources and even from supplementation; I've been using the "magic oil" but have discovered that just finding a source of magnesium chloride and putting it in the bath or mixing it in water and spreading it on the skin or soaking the feet in it is as good or better.
Hi Laura,

Are you also taking oral magnesium supplements with the magnesium chloride in the bath/footbath?

I am wondering just how much is too much. Or in certain situations, is there too much?

I know that I have read that there is such a thing as magnesium toxicity, but it is very rare. Soooo, just wondering. :)
 

Galaxia2002

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Hi rebelais. I am a chemist and am doing part of my doctoral dissertation on nanoparticles of metals such as rhodium, palladium, ruthenium, etc for applications in catalysis.

I also had the idea of producing colloidal silver, but for now I can’t because I am amused by other everyday problems. I have several papers about the antibacterial activity of both the colloidal silver and silver ions. After reading literature about this subject I think that something of ionic silver together the colloidal silver could be beneficial if you need a quick impact. In fact, in order to keep the stability of the colloid must have ionic species which avoid the aggregation. This is a complex issue, and my English does not help much. i could give to you the material that I have to those interesed but I can only send the whole papers by mail because this material is copyrighted. I think I can put some interesting pieces here because the abstracts are free access

The inhibitory effects of silver nanoparticles, silver ions, and silver chloride colloids on microbial growth

WATER RESEARCH 42 (2008 ) 3066 – 3074

a b s t r a c t

Emerging nanomaterials are of great concern to wastewater treatment utilities and the
environment. The inhibitory effects of silver nanoparticles (Ag NPs) and other important Ag
species on microbial growth were evaluated using extant respirometry and an automatic
microtiter fluorescence assay. Using autotrophic nitrifying organisms from a well-controlled
continuously operated bioreactor, Ag NPs (average size ¼ 1476nm), Ag+ ions (AgNO3), and
AgCl colloids (average size ¼ 0.25 mm), all at 1mg/L Ag, inhibited respiration by 8673%,
4277%, and 4674%, respectively. Based on a prolonged microtiter assay, at about 0.5mg/L
Ag, the inhibitions on the growth of Escherichia coli PHL628-gfp by Ag NPs, Ag+ ions, and AgCl
colloids were 5578%, 100%, and 6676%, respectively. Cell membrane integrity was not
compromised under the treatment of test Ag species by using a LIVE/DEAD BaclightTM
bacterial viability assay. However, electron micrographs demonstrated that Ag NPs attached
to the microbial cells, probably causing cell wall pitting
. The results suggest that nitrifying
bacteria are especially susceptible to inhibition by Ag NPs, and the accumulation of Ag NPs
could have detrimental effects on the microorganisms in wastewater treatment.



Hydrogel networks as nanoreactors: A novel approach to silver nanoparticles for antibacterial applications

Polymer 48 (2007) 158 - 164

Abstract


Hydrogel networks based on N-isopropylacrylamide (NIPAM) and sodium acrylate (SA) were prepared by redox-polymerization in the
presence of N,N0-methylenebisacrylamide (MBA). Highly stable and uniformly distributed silver nanoparticles have been prepared using these
hydrogel networks as a carrier via in situ reduction of silver nitrate in the presence of sodium borohydride as a reducing agent. It has been
demonstrated that the hydrogel hybrid with different sizes of silver nanoparticles can be effectively employed as antibacterial material.



Antimicrobial effects of silver nanoparticles

Nanomedicine: Nanotechnology, Biology, and Medicine 3 (2007) 95– 101

The antimicrobial effects of silver (Ag) ion or salts are well known, but the effects of Ag
nanoparticles on microorganisms and antimicrobial mechanism have not been revealed clearly.
Stable Ag nanoparticles were prepared and their shape and size distribution characterized by particle
characterizer and transmission electron microscopic study. The antimicrobial activity of Ag
nanoparticles was investigated against yeast, Escherichia coli, and Staphylococcus aureus. In these
tests, Muller Hinton agar plates were used and Ag nanoparticles of various concentrations were
supplemented in liquid systems. As results, yeast and E. coli were inhibited at the low concentration
of Ag nanoparticles, whereas the growth-inhibitory effects on S. aureus were mild. The free-radical
generation effect of Ag nanoparticles on microbial growth inhibition was investigated by electron
spin resonance spectroscopy.
These results suggest that Ag nanoparticles can be used as effective
growth inhibitors in various microorganisms, making them applicable to diverse medical devices and
antimicrobial control systems.



Biological properties of “naked” metal nanoparticles

Advanced Drug Delivery Reviews xxx (2008) xxx-xxx (in press)

Over the past few decades, inorganic nanoparticles, which exhibit significantly distinct physical, chemical
and biological properties from their bulk counterpart's, have elicited much interest. Discoveries in the past
decade have demonstrated that the electromagnetic, optical and catalytic properties of noble-metal
nanoparticles such as gold, silver and platinum, are strongly influenced by shape and size. This has motivated
an upsurge in research on the synthesis routes that allow better control of shape and size for various nanobiotechnological
applications. Biomedical applications of metal nanoparticles have been dominated by the
use of nanobioconjugates that started in 1971 after the discovery of immunogold labeling by Faulk and Taylor.
Currently metal-based nanoconjugates are used in various biomedical applications such as probes for
electron microscopy to visualize cellular components, drug delivery (vehicle for delivering drugs, proteins,
peptides, plasmids, DNAs, etc), detection, diagnosis and therapy (targeted and non-targeted). However
biological properties of bare-metal (naked) nanoparticles have remained largely unexplored. Therefore, in
this review we discuss the novel biological properties and applications of three most widely used metal
nanoparticles, namely, the nanoparticles of gold, silver and platinum. We describe the novel properties and
use of these nanoparticles in angiogenesis and cancer related disorders.
 

sami

The Force is Strong With This One
Maybe to the channeler that's true, but to generalize it for everyone else is outrageous.

Stephen LaBerge, a sleep scientist will disagree (that lucid dreaming is mainly for entertainment) because according to his research a lot can be gained from lucid dreaming:

1- Overcoming Nightmares
2- Overcoming Phobias
3- Creative Problem Solving
4- Practice & rehearsal for unlimited events

So I guess the C's are wrong on this one
 

Gimpy

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Wait a minute....is this in the right thread?

I don't think this one is about lucid dreaming at all.... :huh:


Have you done any reading on the 4th Way? That goes a long way to explaining why lucid dreaming is nothing more than a distraction.



Gimpy
 

1984

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sami said:
Maybe to the channeler that's true, but to generalize it for everyone else is outrageous.

Stephen LaBerge, a sleep scientist will disagree (that lucid dreaming is mainly for entertainment) because according to his research a lot can be gained from lucid dreaming:

1- Overcoming Nightmares
2- Overcoming Phobias
3- Creative Problem Solving
4- Practice & rehearsal for unlimited events

So I guess the C's are wrong on this one
Hi sami and welcome to the Forum. Not sure if you referring to a particular reply here or to the entire thread (if you have read this entire thread from the beginning).

It stands to reason that LaBerge would have a vested interest in the importance of lucid dreaming since he is the founder of The Lucidity Institute. :D Just wondering - are you basing your input here on Steven LaBerge's research only or a combination of research?
 

Meg

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sami said:
Maybe to the channeler that's true, but to generalize it for everyone else is outrageous.

Stephen LaBerge, a sleep scientist will disagree (that lucid dreaming is mainly for entertainment) because according to his research a lot can be gained from lucid dreaming:

1- Overcoming Nightmares
2- Overcoming Phobias
3- Creative Problem Solving
4- Practice & rehearsal for unlimited events

So I guess the C's are wrong on this one
Hi Sami,

Welcome to the forum :). If you haven't already, you might want to do a search of the forum and read the threads on lucid dreaming.

One of the purposes of this forum is to see things as objectively as possible. If you are dreaming, it is difficult, if not impossible to pay attention to objective reality. You are not present in yourself or aware of the true nature of your surroundings when dreaming.

This issue of understanding is based on OBJECTIVITY. A few points about Objectivity:

For this group, linear thinking is subjective and only nonlinear thinking can be objective.

Objective is "how the universe sees itself".

Our culture has co-opted the word "objective" and has made it to serve as an equivalent of "scientific materialism," but when you grok that scientism is, for the most part NOT scientific, but is rather another subjective religion then you see that no part of the word "objective" applies to science or "linear thinking."

Subjective is the story about the blind men and the elephant - they all think that the elephant is the part of it that they are feeling and that is all there is. Objective is when they begin to share their observations and come to the realization that the elephant is more than what each of them experiences independently. Someone who can see would experience more of the elephant than the blind men, though this seeing would still be limited. Objective is the elephant as it experiences itself added to the observations of the blind men added together with view of the one who can see. It takes a group to achieve such objectivity. But once each of them has shared their perceptions and experience, and all of the group have assimilated this information, they can all then achieve an objective understanding of the elephant - or very close.

Boris Mouravieff writes about the esoteric WORK of achieving objectivity in his first volume of Gnosis:

Quote
"We cannot reach the objective except through the medium of the subjective. This is the underlying reason for esoteric studies: they allow the exterior man to give objective validity to his subjective mentality. He can achieve this by a technique analogous to one we apply to precision instruments: before putting them to work, we determine the reading error of each.

"By taking the 'subjectivity' of instruments into account in this way, we obtain correct readings from them, in spite of their flaws. To observe the phenomena of our internal world and those of the external world with precision, we must have recognized and determined the reading error of our mental instrument for observation, one of the main tools of the Personality. All esoteric teaching is oriented towards this goal, which is reached with the second Birth-when man attains a new form of consciousness and existence which is quite different - objective - and which exterior man can only represent to himself in a vague and obscure way. [ ...]

"Our perception of time varies. This is true in two ways: it varies from one person to another and, for each person, it varies with his physical or mental condition. The influence of age, health and emotional state are well enough known.

"Beside these general examples, there exist particular cases where the disappearance of time is complete: for example, during dreamless sleep, a brief loss of consciousness, or under general anaesthesia. The loss of the notion of time in such cases is due to physiological causes.

"But time can also be made to disappear by voluntary, conscious effort, especially an effort of concentration. By practising the latter assiduously, we observe this phenomenon from the very first exercises. As we intensify our concentration more and more, we perceive time less and less.

"If, by methodical and sustained effort, we manage to eliminate everything from our field of observation apart from the physical or moral object on which we concentrate, and if, in addition, we are able to hold this fixed attention on a single point - which gives birth to contemplation - time entirely disappears.

"Conversely, the more man's attention is dispersed, the more time drags for him. This phenomenon is objective in itself. It is a law. Its reason for being - as well as the mechanism by which it works - will be explained later, in the Doctrine of the Present.

"It is interesting to point out another phenomenon: our ability to modify the rate of our own perception of time. This happens many times every day. We pay no attention to it, because this phenomenon occurs mechanically on a small scale. But it can also be produced voluntarily on a much larger scale."
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9553.msg69187#msg69187

There is more to be gained in learning about the mechanicalness of being in a waking state, not a dreaming state. Self knowledge by observing yourself will go further to help with phobias, nightmares, etc. fwiw
 

sami

The Force is Strong With This One
When I started reading about the C’s, something inside me believed because I always wanted to make sense of this crazy and unjust world.

However, the more I believed, the more I became indoctrinated, which is no different than following a monotheistic religion. And when you follow a religion you tend to filter in what resonates with you and filter out the rest.

The C’s are becoming more like this because they say they are from 6th density. And naturally we have to believe them, even though the “followers” argue that hay research the material thoroughly.

The C’s talk about the 4th density evil beings and going into 5th density after dying, so naturally I (and many others) want to perceive these higher densities (before actually dying). Since we are in 3rd density physicality, as they claim, it is impossible for us to even understand these higher densities.

The C’s once said that the Shamans experience 4th density bleed through, which to me is no different than Astral Projection/ Lucid Dreaming. So when they abruptly end this topic and call it “Subconscious Bleed Through”, it contradicts their whole preach about “Get ready for the wave, 4th density ascension”.
 

anart

The Living Force
Hi Sami, you seem to be a bit mixed up about a few things. That's ok, since this is the first time you've interacted on the forum, perhaps you've not had the benefit of discussing things and figuring them out with others?

sami said:
When I started reading about the C’s, something inside me believed because I always wanted to make sense of this crazy and unjust world.
Yet, the C's continually advise against belief. The C's do NOT want your belief - belief is antithetical to learning.

sami said:
However, the more I believed, the more I became indoctrinated,
Why would you believe anything when over and over and over it is advised to NOT believe? How were you 'indoctrinated'? By whom?

sami said:
which is no different than following a monotheistic religion. And when you follow a religion you tend to filter in what resonates with you and filter out the rest.
How many times have the C's said to NOT deify them? It is a base message - no belief, no deification, no fans, no mindless following. Where did you get the idea that belief was ever a factor in any of this? I only ask because there is such a strong message against belief.

sami said:
The C’s are becoming more like this because they say they are from 6th density. And naturally we have to believe them, even though the “followers” argue that hay research the material thoroughly.
Here you really seem to step out into left field. Who has to believe them? No one should 'believe' them - that is not and has never been the point. Can you understand how far afield you have traveled in your own mind about this? Can you at least consider that you are deeply mistaken and that your frustration might stem from this misunderstanding?


sami said:
The C’s talk about the 4th density evil beings and going into 5th density after dying, so naturally I (and many others) want to perceive these higher densities (before actually dying).

First of all, 'evil' is subjective - the C's even say that - time and again. Secondly, why would it be natural to want to perceive these higher densities before dying - that seems like quite an unnatural thing. You really seem to have wholly missed the main messages and taken off on your own small crusade which has left you adrift in confusion. That is not a judgment statement - it is simply that what you have written here bears no resemblance whatsoever to line of force of what the "C's have said".


sami said:
Since we are in 3rd density physicality, as they claim, it is impossible for us to even understand these higher densities.
Why is that not how it should be? Can a cat understand human existence? Should it? Shouldn't it concentrate on being a cat? You seem to have missed the point that everything is as it should be and that it is not up to the student to design the school. Have you read the Wave or Adventure Series?

sami said:
The C’s once said that the Shamans experience 4th density bleed through, which to me is no different than Astral Projection/ Lucid Dreaming.
So, because 'to YOU' that is no different, does that actually make it no different? Can you see how subjective this statement of yours is? Can you see how you might be projecting your beliefs onto the material in such a way that you are missing the entire point? Again - this is not a judgment - you are simply writing things that bear no relation to what the C's have said or what the current understanding is. That's ok if you are willing to open your mind a bit and learn.

sami said:
So when they abruptly end this topic and call it “Subconscious Bleed Through”, it contradicts their whole preach about “Get ready for the wave, 4th density ascension”.
How? And where do they say 'get ready for the wave'? Don't they, time and time again, say 'you will do what you will do' - just do what you do and all is lessons? Again, I have to ask if you've read the Wave series or the Adventure series or if you've just read the transcripts and applied your own subjective understanding to them - because from what you've written, you seem to be missing the entire crux of the matter.

This is too important a time and too important a subject to not clarify - and what you've written here bears no resemblance to the information that has taken such time and effort to disseminate, so please take a moment to consider that you are deeply misunderstanding what the C's have been trying to get across. It's ok to misunderstand, we all do it - what matters is sincerely striving for objective understanding once one realizes they are mistaken, so hopefully all of that makes a bit of sense.
 

Ellipse

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FOTCM Member
Maybe to the channeler that's true, but to generalize it for everyone else is outrageous.

Stephen LaBerge, a sleep scientist will disagree (that lucid dreaming is mainly for entertainment) because according to his research a lot can be gained from lucid dreaming:

1- Overcoming Nightmares
2- Overcoming Phobias
3- Creative Problem Solving
4- Practice & rehearsal for unlimited events

So I guess the C's are wrong on this one

From my experience point one is true.

I was very happy to be able to switch unpleasant dreams. Whaoo, marvelous ! But, at the end, is it beneficial ? Do I not miss one important information contain in the "unpleasant dream" ?
More important, after all those years of concern to being able to master dreaming what is the gain ? I do not solved any problem but it's only my experience and yes, at the end, for me, dreaming, appear to be a distraction.

If you search the forum, there's a thread with the title "What to do in dreaming ?". I was facing the same problem and other very good dreamers I know face it too.

However the idea of dreaming, when first exposed to me, opened a gate. A gate to to more questions. And, in that, this is not a distraction but I thing the C's was referring to intense practice, to the art of dreaming.
 
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