Session 30 January 2010

[Nienna]

Regarding the numbers of path's in various nations, this seems to be a very relevant transcript quote found here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=15790.0 BTW, there's some transcripts here that are "new":

Quote from: 29 July 2006
Q: (J) Over 11 years ago you said that the Nazi master race idea was for the purposes of creating a breeding ground for the reintroduction of the Nephilim for total control of 3rd density prior to elevation to 4th, and that this failed. At the time Laura asked what their plan was now, and you said that you could not say because she would seek to reveal it leading to her destruction. So my question is, (with mirth) have we evolved to a high enough degree that we can know now?

A: You already figured it out

Q: (everyone looks to Joe as though he figured something out. Joe: well I didn’t really figure anything out, I was just thinking about it and decided that the new plan was to introduce the psychopaths in order to effect the total control of the planet along certain lines)

A: And “culling” the non-psychopaths

This seems to confirm the most recent revelation

Ah, thank you, Yossarian. That is the quote I was looking for, but just wasn't finding.

So, here, Leoursa, is the answer to your question. The above is the quote I was referring to.

Hi NE,

Could you please clarify the following:

would also coincide with Perceval's assessment, that was confirmed by the C's, that the nephilim are already here, but just in a different container.

 

[mcb]

...Homosexuals do not predate on children or damage them for life. Homosexuals engage in consensual love relationships, just like heterosexuals. Yes, there is societal pressure that makes life for homosexuals difficult, sometimes very difficult - but it is not the same as the legal, moral and psychological condemnation that is leveled at pedophiles, and rightly so...

I would like to add a little to this, if I can do so without wandering too far off topic. The gay couples that I am friends with, and I am friends with quite a few, are for the most part in long-term relationships. While the public may ignorantly obsess over their sexual relationships, that is not what these relationships are mainly about. Some have children, while others, some in their 60's and 70's, just have each other. Most that I know are women, but some of the men have children as well.

The other thing that strikes me is that these people are, by and large, pretty safe to be around. They are open to differences and diversity. They are not afraid of people that aren't the same as they are. I really can't overstate this point. Perhaps this makes them a threat to the system. Perhaps this is among the real reasons they are targeted.

 

[Yossarian]

A whole new moral understanding is part of what we need. The unhealthy obsession with sexual preference, and much of the accepted standards of sexual behavior --are ponerogenic--designed to divide and conquer--with the Path's being the dividers and conquerer's--with their hyperdimensional masters being at the root of the whole nightmare. The same goes for almost all the artificial distinctions (race, class, gender, sexual preference, economic status, nationality, to name a few) between human beings--these have all been created and distorted as tools of division and social control--imho. The distinctions that really do matter--have been hidden from us (the greatest distinction being between the path's and normal humanity)..

 

[salleles]

(Belibaste) We wanted to know the percentage of psychopaths geographically speaking, like in the US, Israel, UK.

(L) Alright, let's take them one at a time.

(Belibaste) USA?

A: 23 percent.

Wayback machine (2006)

The recent paper of Salekin, Trobst and Krioukova suggests that 25% of any university population in the U.S. is psychopathic in the sense of complete lack of empathy.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=4216.msg28930#msg28930

 

[go2]

Hi salleles,

Laura corrects the percent a few posts further down the thread.

I looked through the paper, but couldn't find the 25% number. I did find the usual 5% one though. Do you know what page the above is stated? Thanks.

You are right, it is 5%. Now I have to figure out where I read the 25% figure.

 

[salleles]

Thanks go2, I didn't read the entire thread. To occur misunderstanding: my point was that 23 & 25 percent are VERY close.

*researching Salekin, Trobst and Krioukova*

 

[Joe]

Also, looking at the governments of the past century in China and Africa, it seems to me that populations with a LOW percentage of psychopaths require a more overtly brutal and repressive government. Countries with lots of psychopaths are more "open", i.e. "free market", "dog-eat-dog". They embody the psychopathic mindset and don't need as much prodding. Just an hypothesis...

As far as Africa goes, I'm not sure that is the case, at least not if it is simply based on the high number of brutal leaders that African nations have had. The main reason for that was that colonial powers wanted new colonies and all that goes with it, and could very easily install a brutal tin pot dictator that would turn a blind eye to the ravages of empire and get away with it. They simply did not have to keep up any appearances so far away from the dominant west. I think the difference in tactics between say Africa and the US for example is that in Africa the goal was to kill and plunder, in the US the goal was to create foot soldiers to do the killing and plundering for the psychopaths. You can't get too brutal with the very people that you want to deceive into becoming your minions because they'll get the measure of you pretty quickly and won't co-operate. In Africa and other colonised nations, (pretty much everywhere else with a few exceptions) there was no such requirement, hence the reason that many people around the world have for a long time seen the US as the "great satan", and the Brits as just the -expletive- Brits.

 

[Joe]

70,974,780 psychopaths in the USA but only 7 per sq km. Well, yeah, that's way better than 150 per sq km!!! Thanks Leoursa for those numbers even though they do make me sick!

I wouldn't take those figures are really being reflective of the odds of meeting one. Most are probably centered in cities, where all the "action" is.

Hi Perceval,

I think that is true, and recognize that the numbers cannot be taken as exact. But if cities are where higher concentrations exist of psychopathic distribution per population/square kilometer on account of all the "action" and considering that the land mass covered by (all) cities is less than the total available land mass for a given country, then the numbers could be viewed as a baseline of sorts with the actual numbers encountered per square kilometer being higher, statistically speaking, when in any given city. Like Jeep said, "that's way better!"

Indeed, if they do congregate in cities, then that would mean that there are even less per sq km in rural areas and a higher percentage in cities and urban areas. The problem is that 81% of US citizens reside in cities and suburbs. So unless you live on the farm, that's not way better! :/

 

[Joe]

It is noted in the research that most psychopaths are males. This would mean that approximately 40 percent of American males are psychopaths. I have lived in the USA and met thousands of people in my lifetime. I have read all the research on psychopathy referenced on this forum. It is inconceivable to me, that Timorone Cassiopaea is accurate in these statistics, unless there is a different definition of psychopathy from that of Hare, Cleckley, and Lobaczweski. Or perhaps, I am missing something.

How many of those thousands have you known well, as in spent enough time with them to check their words and actions etc? We need to remember that the first and most prevalent characteristic of the psychopath is that they are charming, witting, intelligent etc etc etc. We're most of those thousands of people (men) that you have (superficially) met, nice people? If so, that fits the profile of a psychopath.

 

[Kasimir]

Is it just me or does the information seem to be getting more direct over time?

Interesting observation. Does seem to be so.

Is C's accuracy rate also improving? Wondering what might the %-rate be at the moment.

 

[Joe]

The C’s statistics indicate that I have 23,000 psychopaths for neighbors in my hometown of 100,000. What a horrifying thought!

I think we should keep in mind just how ponerized society (especially Western) has probably become. There are several different types of psychopaths and not all have an over-riding drive to destroy. Perhaps only one type does. So given the likely ponerization of society, psychopaths of the common or garden variety probably blend in very well. That is to say, most psychopaths are not the two-headed monsters we may have come to view them as. In a ponerized society they are very 'normal'. Probably there is nothing to choose, at least on most behavioral aspects, between a narcissist and a common or garden psychopath.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

The C’s statistics indicate that I have 23,000 psychopaths for neighbors in my hometown of 100,000. What a horrifying thought!

I think we should keep in mind just how ponerized society (especially Western) has probably become. There are several different types of psychopaths and not all have an over-riding drive to destroy. Perhaps only one type does. So given the likely ponerization of society, psychopaths of the common or garden variety probably blend in very well. That is to say, most psychopaths are not the two-headed monsters we may have come to view them as. In a ponerized society they are very 'normal'. Probably there is nothing to choose, at least on most behavioral aspects, between a narcissist and a common or garden psychopath.

Very true. Reminds me of what Lobaczewski said about the "skirtoids". They make good mercenaries because they're not bothered by killing, but they're otherwise level-headed, not impulsive, follow orders, and don't seem to kill sadistically. After watching the cryingwife videos in another thread, perhaps we should come up with a name for the Western breed of "normal" psychopaths: Psychopathicus americanus!

 

[go2]

The C’s statistics indicate that I have 23,000 psychopaths for neighbors in my hometown of 100,000. What a horrifying thought!

I think we should keep in mind just how ponerized society (especially Western) has probably become. There are several different types of psychopaths and not all have an over-riding drive to destroy. Perhaps only one type does. So given the likely ponerization of society, psychopaths of the common or garden variety probably blend in very well. That is to say, most psychopaths are not the two-headed monsters we may have come to view them as. In a ponerized society they are very 'normal'. Probably there is nothing to choose, at least on most behavioral aspects, between a narcissist and a common or garden psychopath.

Very true. Reminds me of what Lobaczewski said about the "skirtoids". They make good mercenaries because they're not bothered by killing, but they're otherwise level-headed, not impulsive, follow orders, and don't seem to kill sadistically. After watching the cryingwife videos in another thread, perhaps we should come up with a name for the Western breed of "normal" psychopaths: Psychopathicus americanus!

The literature focuses on "essential" psychopathy, which probably accounts for the lower percentages I have encountered in studying Hare, Cleckley, and Lobaczewski. This brings another question to mind. What is the mechanism of psychopathy? Do the various types of psychopaths have the same brain anomaly, but on a continuum, as would be the case if the number of spindle neurons were the determining factor ? Or, do the various types of psychopaths have different brain anomalies each presenting as psychopathic behavior?

I wanted to add a quote from Red Pill Press, on Lobaczewski's taxonomy of psychopaths which helped me understand the possibility that the C's percentages could be accurate. I do wonder if it is useful to extend the taxonomy of psychopaths, as the idea of "essential" psychopathy introduces enough cognitive dissonance to leave most people shaking their heads and changing the subject to the Super Bowl and the weather in Mexico, but those would probably be nice "Psychopathicus americanus" specimens.

OTHER PSYCHOPATHIES

There is a group of psychopathies occurring two to three times that of essential psychopathy (which Lobaczewski calculated as 0.6% in Poland), at approximately 2-3% of the general population. These individuals also attempt to mask their different world of experience, although they may attempt to play a role in the world of normal people; this is not a typical “Cleckley mask”. The less extreme cases manage to adjust to social life, often taking advantage of normal people’s appreciation of the arts with their deviant and often sadistic literary creations. They manage to insinuate that their world of ideas and experiences is self-evident, thus enslaving less critical minds. The most frequent of these psychopathies is asthenic psychopathy.

Other psychopathies which play a lesser role in macrosocial ponerogenesis include anankastic (obsessive-compulsive), hysterical (histrionic), and skirtoidal psychopathy. While dependent personality disorder may have arisen from the older classification of asthenic personality disorder, as noted above the diagnoses may have drifted far enough apart that they no longer apply to the same specific disorder.

ASTHENIC PSYCHOPATHY

Like essential psychopathy, asthenic psychopathy presents at every possible level of intensity. Such individuals lack vigor and are hypersensitive. They typically emote a shallow nostalgia and can show superficial pangs of conscience after faulty behavior, showing that they do have some ability to judge a psychological situation. They are usually less intelligent than normal people, and demonstrate inconsistent and inaccurate reasoning abilities. The most severe cases are very anti-psychological and contemptuous of normal people, and are more active on a large scale (e.g., the literary world, or the political arena) than in personal relationships.

As a result of their falsified world view, their opinions of others can rarely be trusted. A mask of sanity covers their deviant personal aspirations and capabilities, and while friendly to those who do not notice their fault, they are hostile to those with accurate psychological knowledge.

These individuals are less sexually vital than essential psychopaths, often repulsed by normal human sexuality. As a result, they can easily accept celibacy as a way of life (perhaps inspiring the viciously anti-psychological attitude of the Catholic church).

Accompanying their shallow affect, asthenic psychopaths have idealistic dreams of reforming the world. However, they cannot see the results or implications of their plans. For examply, they may become staunch communists (like Dzerzhinsky), and in their wish for a better world, kill millions. More naive individuals may see poor social conditions as a justification for such a radicalized worldview.

SKIRTOIDAL PSYCHOPATHY

“If that were the case [i.e. that skirtoidism is a biodynamic phenomenon resulting from crossing widely separated ethnic groups], North America should be full of skirtoids, a hypothesis that deserves observation.” (Lobaczewski, 136)

Skirtotymic deviants, in contrast to asthenics, are vital, egotistical, and thick-skinned individuals. As such, they make good soldiers. They possess high endurance and psychological resistance to turbulent times, making them more at home in the battlefield than with a family.

 

[Obi]

Well, I never expected to see such high numbers. 42% in Israel would explain the inhuman treatment of the Palestinians and why there will never be peace with Arabs.

But 23% for USA and more then 10% for most Western nations is a shock.

I think we all underestimated the scale of the ponerization.

Lobaczewski would surely shake his head in disbelief. As far as I remember he was objecting the 6% figure reasuring that essential psychopathy was only 0.5% based on his observations.

I guess psychopaths multiplied their numbers exponentially since the time of his research.

 

[mcb]

Well, I never expected to see such high numbers. 42% in Israel would explain the inhuman treatment of the Palestinians and why there will never be peace with Arabs.

But 23% for USA and more then 10% for most Western nations is a shock.

I think we all underestimated the scale of the ponerization.

Lobaczewski would surely shake his head in disbelief. As far as I remember he was objecting the 6% figure reasuring that essential psychopathy was only 0.5% based on his observations.

I guess psychopaths multiplied their numbers exponentially since the time of his research.

I imagine that some of us thought the earlier percentages had to be low. I had been trying to understand how 4-6% of the population could cause this much destruction with the apparent willing participation of the rest. Here in California there is a form of class warfare going on, with "no new taxes" (itself a lie) being used as an excuse to try to bury the poorer segments of the population by destroying essential public programs, without regard to the contribution that those segments make.

Nobody knows where it will lead, but at the moment it looks grim.