Session 30 January 2010

[rrraven]

OK, I have been thinking what is a obvious difference between the Chinese population and the Israeli population
and it came to me circumcision!!!
so not to go off on assumptions I looked up **http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_circumcision

The Irish government estimates that fewer than one percent of males are circumcised in China and Japan.[29]

I was once told by a re-birthing teacher that circumcision trauma is so intense that circumcised men need another session to deal with the actual birthing trauma
I realize this goes off the genetic path and towards the ''made'' one ,and I like to apologize in advance to our circumcised readers,I am not implying you are paths but what if there is a connection between weak development of spindle cells and circumcision trauma

 

[Windmill knight]

but maybe that works as well...''path genes carried on x cromosome....less females equals less carriers

That's a good point.

But this only halts psychopath breeding as much as it halts non-psychopath breeding, unless the psychopath lineage is intentionally being stopped short.

My understanding is that the psychopath gene (or genes) is passed on much like colour blindness through the X chromosome. Men only have one X chromosome as well as the Y chromosome, and women have two XX.

So if a woman inherits a normal X chromosome from their mother and a mutated X chromosome from their father (psychopath gene), she will carry the gene on. And in very rare circumstances the gene is expressed in her. Men do not have a second X chromosome to override the mutated chromosome, so if their mother is carrying the psychopath gene then they will inherit it and the psychopathy will be expressed.

Fact is, if there are less women, then you're going to get less psychopaths as well as less non-psychopaths.

Exactly. I don't think that less women would make any difference in the percentage of psychopathic population. All people alive had a mother (and a father), so the probability/potential of inheriting from a carrier is always there. In fact, if there is a higher percentage of men, then there should be in principle a higher manifestation of psychopathy, as psychopathic traits are manifested in men more often than women. But that doesn't seem to happen in China, so there must be something else going on.

Unless they have some knowledge in which to avoid mating with psychopaths. Maybe at some point in history China had some sort of knowledge. But I'm thinking it's more likely that the Asian populations were simply not as exposed to as many psychopath mutations. Another words, they managed to avoid much of the cataclysms that would have brought on the recessive mutations. If you could trace back to the sources of where the high concentrations of psychopaths came from (Low Countries may be one example) you could match that with evidence of cataclysm in that area. It seems logical that some populations experienced less mutation. And the lucky populations who did not intermarry as much (such as the Asian countries) would have suffered less as a result.

That could be it.

 

[Juba]

Quote from Windmill Knight:

Quote from: Nathan on Yesterday at 06:10:55 AM
Quote from: rrraven on February 07, 2010, 07:48:44 PM
but maybe that works as well...''path genes carried on x cromosome....less females equals less carriers

That's a good point.

But this only halts psychopath breeding as much as it halts non-psychopath breeding, unless the psychopath lineage is intentionally being stopped short.

My understanding is that the psychopath gene (or genes) is passed on much like colour blindness through the X chromosome. Men only have one X chromosome as well as the Y chromosome, and women have two XX.

So if a woman inherits a normal X chromosome from their mother and a mutated X chromosome from their father (psychopath gene), she will carry the gene on. And in very rare circumstances the gene is expressed in her. Men do not have a second X chromosome to override the mutated chromosome, so if their mother is carrying the psychopath gene then they will inherit it and the psychopathy will be expressed.

Fact is, if there are less women, then you're going to get less psychopaths as well as less non-psychopaths.

Exactly. I don't think that less women would make any difference in the percentage of psychopathic population. All people alive had a mother (and a father), so the probability/potential of inheriting from a carrier is always there. In fact, if there is a higher percentage of men, then there should be in principle a higher manifestation of psychopathy, as psychopathic traits are manifested in men more often than women. But that doesn't seem to happen in China, so there must be something else going on.

Quote
Unless they have some knowledge in which to avoid mating with psychopaths. Maybe at some point in history China had some sort of knowledge. But I'm thinking it's more likely that the Asian populations were simply not as exposed to as many psychopath mutations. Another words, they managed to avoid much of the cataclysms that would have brought on the recessive mutations. If you could trace back to the sources of where the high concentrations of psychopaths came from (Low Countries may be one example) you could match that with evidence of cataclysm in that area. It seems logical that some populations experienced less mutation. And the lucky populations who did not intermarry as much (such as the Asian countries) would have suffered less as a result.

That could be it

Or perhaps the reason Cs mentioned: Caucasians are most AGRESSIVE race and Asian races are reserved for most ADVANCED souls on the earth, looks like emphasis on aggressive in procreation of OP is pretty crucial, that could be, as well, reason why among African and indigenous American population or native Oceania populus, we could find only minor number of OP, (they are tuned with frequency of the planet, as Cs stated) and living mostly in organized tribes and large families.

I would like to know if number of OP is much higher in Ethiopia? Because Cs said: Ethiopian race is actually Caucasian subrace with dark pigmented skin. If number of OP and psychopaths is indeed bigger in Ethiopia, that means: tribal prevention against OP did not work in this case.

 

[go2]

Societies organized as villages or tribes maintain a face to face knowledge of each individual member of the society. Those who exhibit a lack of empathy or self centered predation are eliminated from the gene pool. This social hygiene has a neural basis as evolutionary pressure designed the male brain to exhibit empathy for contributing members of the group, but to experience satisfaction in the suffering or downfall of free riders or predatory individuals. The female brain responds emphatically to one suffering, whether of friend or predator.

Modern civilization is designed to isolate the psychopaths from the selective pressures of village or tribal life. The anonymity and hierarchical structure of society allows these deviant genetics to survive and even thrive as psychopaths are rewarded by status and economic power in the pyramidal structure of political and economic functions. The genes of psychopathy were probably isolated in priesthoods , aristocracy, or economic elites over the last several millennium of transition from tribal and village life to a One World Gulug. The explosion of psychopathic genetics in the West is a herald of a new dark age as the psychopathic parasite destroys the genetic heritage and potential of mankind, and even destroys the psychopathic pyramid of modern civilization which allows psychopath free riders and predators to survive on the energy and creativity of normal humanity.

This sounds to me like the core of a good article for FOTCM site. Doesn't have to be long...

Laura, I will write a short article. It will take me a couple of weeks. Thanks for the opportunity to focus my attention, which prefers to wander. :)

 

[shijing]

jubazo, just want to be careful with your facts here:

Or perhaps the reason Cs mentioned: Caucasians are most AGRESSIVE race and Asian races are reserved for most ADVANCED souls on the earth, looks like emphasis on aggressive in procreation of OP is pretty crucial, that could be, as well, reason why among African and indigenous American population or native Oceania populus, we could find only minor number of OP, (they are tuned with frequency of the planet, as Cs stated) and living mostly in organized tribes and large families.

It sounds to me like you are confusing OPs and psychopaths in the above paragraph. The questions in the last session were specifically about psychopaths, so we don't know anything about the percentages of OPs in the various races. We know that OPs, last time the subject was discussed, constitute approximately half of the overall population, and for all we know they could be evenly distributed (unlike psychopaths) throughout all populations.

I would like to know if number of OP is much higher in Ethiopia? Because Cs said: Ethiopian race is actually Caucasian subrace with dark pigmented skin. If number of OP and psychopaths is indeed bigger in Ethiopia, that means: tribal prevention against OP did not work in this case.

When did the C's say that "Ethiopian race is actually Caucasian subrace with dark pigmented skin"?

 

[endescent]

(L) The machine elves that Terrance McKenna saw during his hallucinogenic excursions, and I've seen something similar but not under the influence of hallucinogens. I was just extremely exhausted. My theory was that they were metaphors for energy.

(Burma Jones) And my thought was that they were metaphors for aspects of the mind.

A: Energy is closer, but that energy is also connected to a consciousness, i.e. "cryptogeographic" being.

Q: (L) We know about those cryptogeographic beings!

A: Remember "Operators and Things".

My understanding, since reading Operators and Things, and after this session, is that the Operators, or "cryptogeographic beings" are 4d sts, the 4d marauders, our "controllers," especially if we are of the psychopathic or organic portal persuasion. Is this interpretation correct, or are the C's and Laura talking about something else?

A brief study of the word "crypto geographic"

crypto:

a secret supporter or follower; cryptography; secret or covert
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crypto

geographic

Geography (from Greek γεωγραφία - geographia, lit. "earth describe-write" ) is the study of the Earth and its lands, features, inhabitants, and phenomena. A literal translation would be "to describe or write about the Earth". ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic

We have secret or covert describer--writer about the earth, i.e. a world controller. It looks like my idea is correct, these, the "operators" as described in Operators and Things are the Universal Law, 4D sts controllers.

I had thoughts about the Operators and Things topic when reading the session; I thought that was a good book. [...] Yeah, when I read O&T I was thinking that the operators sure sounded like some STS beings. Especially with that game they played to try to get the most loosh? from "things". So are we saying that Barbara really did experience a tuning into something hyperdimensional?

I am in the process of reading Operators and Things, and it evokes many images. Scenes from The Matrix of Agents "possessing" people, puppetmasters, and of course, 4D STS controllers. It seems to me that the Cs are suggesting that Terrence McKenna tuned into energies or metaphors for energy that are indeed connected to beings of some sort, denizens of another density and/or dimension...

Session 09 June 1996:

Q: (L) Why are the results of sleep deprivation, psychosis,
delirium tremens, and psychedelic drugs and some mystical
states so similar in their expressions and manifestations? What
is being seen?
A: Openings.
Q: (L) Well, if doing without sleep provides an opening, what
is it an opening to?
A: Density levels 4 and up.

This quote suggests that smoking DMT opened Terrence to a higher-density cryptogeographic being. The Operators and Things reference is the stumper in this matter, IMHO. "Cryptogeographic being" reminded me of the strange phenomena surrounding the Mothman hyperdimensional window-faller, and I wonder if Barbara O'Brien tuned into entities that are 4D, but not necessarily the 4D STS controllers we are so familiar with, and perhaps not on the scale suggested in the book (i.e. country-wide or world-wide). All this subject matter also brings up a most fascinating book I read years ago, and would like to find my copy so I can read it again...

Quote from a chapter taken from DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Rick Strassman, M.D.:

When reviewing my bedside notes, I continually feel surprise in seeing how many of our volunteers “made contact” with “them,” or other beings. At least half did so in one form or another. Research subjects used expressions like “entities,” “beings,” “aliens,” “guides,” and “helpers” to describe them. The “life-forms” looked like clowns, reptiles, mantises, bees, spiders, cacti, and stick figures. It still is startling to see my
written records of comments like, “There were these beings,” “I was being led,” “They were on me fast.” It’s as if my mind refuses to accept what’s there in black and white.

[...]

As strange as the reports that follow are, our 1990s research was not the first in the scientific literature to describe DMT-induced “contact.” There also are reports from the 1950s quoting volunteers to that effect. These older DMT cases are remarkable in their foreshadowing of the stories we were going to hear almost forty years later. What is even more striking is that I have been unable to locate any similar reports in research subjects taking other psychedelics. Only with DMT do people meet up with “them,” with other beings in a nonmaterial world.

These older clinical excerpts derive from patients with schizophrenia, many of whom had been hospitalized for years, if not decades. They were not especially verbal, insightful, or personable. They received DMT in studies attempting to determine how similar the DMT state was to schizophrenia.

Researchers also were interested in gauging whether naturally psychotic patients were more or less sensitive to DMT’s effects. A patient with schizophrenia in a study at Stephen Szára’s former laboratory in Hungary reported the following after a high dose of intramuscular DMT:

“I saw such strange dreams, but at the beginning only. . . . I saw strange creatures, dwarves or something, they were black and moved about.”

An American research team also gave DMT to patients with schizophrenia. Of the nine subjects, the only one who could say anything about her experience was an unfortunate woman who, after getting a robust dose of 1.25 mg/kg IM DMT, stated:

“I was in a big place, and they were hurting me. They were not human. . . . They were horrible! I was living in a world of orange people.”

These little vignettes should keep us from becoming too complacent in believing that what our volunteers reported is purely a New Age, 1990s-in-Santa Fe phenomenon. The spirit molecule revealed unseen worlds, and their inhabitants, to Western science long before our research began. Karl’s early encounter with life-forms, like his visions of DNA described in the last chapter, offered a prelude to future, more elaborate stories from other volunteers. Karl was a forty-five-year-old blacksmith. He was married to Elena, whose enlightenment experience we’ll read about later. Eight minutes into his non-blind high-dose injection, he described this encounter:

“That was real strange. There were a lot of elves. They were prankish, ornery, maybe four of them appeared at the side of a stretch of interstate highway I travel regularly. They commanded the scene, it was their terrain! They were about my height. They held up placards, showing me these incredibly beautiful, complex, swirling geometric scenes in them. One of them made it impossible for me to move. There was no issue of control; they were totally in control. They wanted me to look! I heard a giggling sound—the elves laughing or talking at high-speed volume, chattering, twittering.”

In the last chapter, we heard about Aaron’s experiences of unseen worlds. Let’s return to his first non-blind high dose of DMT. He looked at me about 10 minutes after the injection and shrugged, laughing: “First there was a mandala-like series of visuals, fleurs-de-lis-type visions. Then an insect-like thing got right into my face, hovering over me as the drug was going in. This thing sucked me out of my head into outer space. It was clearly outer space, a black sky with millions of stars."

"I was in a very large waiting room, or something. It was very long. I felt observed by the insect-thing and others like it. Then they lost interest. I was taken into space and looked at.” Aaron summarized his encounters with these beings after a subsequent double-blind high dose:

“There is a sinister backdrop, an alien-type, insectoid, not quite-pleasant side of this, isn’t there? It’s not a ‘we’re-going-to get-you-mother*****.’ It’s more like being possessed. During the experience there is sense of someone, or something else, there taking control. It’s like you have to defend yourself against them, whoever they are, but they certainly are there. I’m aware of them and they’re aware of me. It’s like they have an agenda. It’s like walking into a different neighborhood. You’re really not quite sure what the culture is. It’s got such a distinct flavor, the reptilian being or beings that are present.”

“How about the scary element?” I asked. “What’s the worst they could do if they are unleashed with access to you?”

“That’s what it’s about. It’s the sense of the possibility that’s so strange.”

References from that chapter definitely point to the 4D STS we are familiar with, but also describes many other types of beings. The most interesting thing about DMT to me is that it is endogenous. Why is it there, what is its function?

 

[Juba]

Hi Shijing,

In session on: 20.10.94 Cs stated; Nubians originate from area of Caucasus, historically: at first Nubians populated South Egypt and Northern parts of Sudan, on the end Nubian population in these regions was arabized, not to mention strong intermix of multiethnic Egypt and Sudan today, but if we follow Nubian movements trough last 2000 years their genetics and cultural remarks will lead us in high plains of Ethiopia (tribes: Ahmara, Afar,...) where they stay pretty isolated.

Related to genetic this is from Wiki: The maternal ancestry of Ethiopians is similarly diverse. About half (52.2%) of Ethiopians belongs to mtdna Haplogroups L0,L1, L2, L3, L4, L5, or L6. These haplogroups are generally confined to the African continent. They also originated either in Ethiopia or very near. The other portion of the population belong to Haplogroup N (31%) and Haplogroup M1 (17%).[32] There is controversy surrounding their origins as either native or a possible ancient back migration into Ethiopia from Asia. A study done in 1998 suggested that "Caucasoid gene flow into the Ethiopian gene pool occurred predominantly through males.

Related to OP my mistake, I'm interested both in psychopaths and OPs and their numbers especially in mentioned region of Africa because of their strong tribal heritage and nice cocktail of Caucasoid genes so it will be nice to know if tribal control manage to deal with anomalies like psychopaths? As for now we know percentage of psychopats in certain countries, could these numbers be in corelation with numbers of OP, because OP looks like perfect servant or partners for dominant psychopath?

 

[RedFox]

Hi endescent
Regarding DMT, you may wish to read the Black Magic, Shamanism, Supernatural, Graham Hancock thread, as it contains a lot of very useful information on the subject of substance that induce altered states...more specifically why they should not be used, and why they are damaging to the user.

 

[endescent]

Hi endescent
Regarding DMT, you may wish to read the Black Magic, Shamanism, Supernatural, Graham Hancock thread, as it contains a lot of very useful information on the subject of substance that induce altered states...more specifically why they should not be used, and why they are damaging to the user.

Hi RedFox,

I will review that thread, thank you for posting a link. I realize that psychedelic drugs are viewed as dangerous and counterproductive in this community, and I agree with this viewpoint. I hope noone thinks I am advocating such activities, I am merely posting about the curious comments in this session and subsequent discussion.

DMT is a unique chemical in that it is a neurotransmitter and a psychedelic drug, depending on the context.

 

[shijing]

In session on: 20.10.94 Cs stated; Nubians originate from area of Caucasus, historically: at first Nubians populated South Egypt and Northern parts of Sudan, on the end Nubian population in these regions was arabized, not to mention strong intermix of multiethnic Egypt and Sudan today, but if we follow Nubian movements trough last 2000 years their genetics and cultural remarks will lead us in high plains of Ethiopia (tribes: Ahmara, Afar,...) where they stay pretty isolated.

OK, I think I see part of the misunderstanding here -- what you have written above is accurate as far as I know, but the problem is that you are conflating two different definitions of "Caucasian". "Caucasian" can be used strictly as a term to denote anything associated with the Caucasus mountain range, but it is also used to denote the racial category of people generally considered to be white, with a European origin. Even if Nubians originated in the Caucasus, we don't know when that happened, and there doesn't seem to be a correlation on those grounds with white Europeans, strictly speaking. So if you were asking about this because of the recent discussion linking psychopathy to modern Lowland European populations, I think you are actually talking about two separate things. That doesn't mean that some European genes might not have made their way into the Nubian population at some point, but it wouldn't have to do with Nubians originating in the Caucasus as a geographic area, to the best of my understanding.

Related to genetic this is from Wiki: The maternal ancestry of Ethiopians is similarly diverse. About half (52.2%) of Ethiopians belongs to mtdna Haplogroups L0,L1, L2, L3, L4, L5, or L6. These haplogroups are generally confined to the African continent. They also originated either in Ethiopia or very near. The other portion of the population belong to Haplogroup N (31%) and Haplogroup M1 (17%). There is controversy surrounding their origins as either native or a possible ancient back migration into Ethiopia from Asia. A study done in 1998 suggested that "Caucasoid gene flow into the Ethiopian gene pool occurred predominantly through males.

This is referencing the second sense of "Caucasian" above -- entirely possible that there may be a psychopathy connection because of this, but I don't think that you can say that Caucasoid gene flow into the Ethiopian population makes them a Caucasian subrace with dark skin -- it would merely mean that they had a Caucasoid component in their overall gene pool.

Related to OP my mistake, I'm interested both in psychopaths and OPs and their numbers especially in mentioned region of Africa because of their strong tribal heritage and nice cocktail of Caucasoid genes so it will be nice to know if tribal control manage to deal with anomalies like psychopaths? As for now we know percentage of psychopats in certain countries, could these numbers be in corelation with numbers of OP, because OP looks like perfect servant or partners for dominant psychopath?

Probably more unwitting collaborators if anything, to the extent that I understand OPs -- it would be interesting to ask if the percentage of OPs in a given population correlated with the percentage of psychopaths.

 

[endescent]

Regarding DMT, you may wish to read the Black Magic, Shamanism, Supernatural, Graham Hancock thread, as it contains a lot of very useful information on the subject of substance that induce altered states...more specifically why they should not be used, and why they are damaging to the user.

Upon reviewing that thread, I see how much DMT has been discussed there already. Regarding my comments on this thread, I feel that I may have made some rather redundant points about DMT, and if so I apologize. Since DMT was the catalyst for McKenna's experiences that were asked about in this session with the C's, I only wish to discuss as much as it relates to this session, and even then I don't want to focus on it. My main interest is more about Operators and Things and cryptogeographic beings, and the speculative comments about these others have made thus far.

 

[Yossarian]

Dear Endescent and 3d Student, Thank you for your comments and filling in with some very enlightening information. Right now what I'm thinking, is that if Babara was having a direct experience of beings of 4d through an "opening," she, or anyone else as the perceiver, only has a very limited conceptual framework to work with--our 3d conceptual framework, and also built in fears, prejudices, belief systems, embeddedness within a cultural framework (eg. late 20th century north american, caucasian, judeo-christian--as one example) that denies the existence of 4d and 4d beings. So what she describes is filtered through those lenses in the only way that she can "grok" or make sense of what she was experiencing. So, naturally there will be distortions, variations, and even "anthropomorphizations"(? my own word) of the beings described.

In addition, the possible 4d beings would likely be in a position of much greater awareness and could be able to affect the way that Barbara perceived them-- or present themselves in a way that fit within her conceptual framework? Just thoughts and possibilities.

 

[endescent]

So what she describes is filtered through those lenses in the only way that she can "grok" or make sense of what she was experiencing. So, naturally there will be distortions, variations, and even "anthropomorphizations"(? my own word) of the beings described. In addition, the possible 4d beings would likely be in a position of much greater awareness and could be able to affect the way that Barbara perceived them-- or present themselves in a way that fit within her conceptual framework?

Hi Yossarian,

I see this as a definite possibility. Cryptogeographic beings could just as easily be the "obvious" 4D controllers most of this community would think of, and when Barbara saw the control system, she not only saw it through a lens of schizophrenia, but furthermore through a lens of cultural, belief system filtering. The fact that Operators were visually indistinguishable from Things, i.e. they all looked human could have been accomplished through 4D controlling OPs, maybe?

 

[Laura]

Since, as humans, we are "wave reading consciousness units," that suggests that we may "read waves" through various filters of the mind, programming, expectations, wishful thinking, etc.

 

[Ca.]

I remember taking this on 10/12/2008 @ 3:16 pm in San Fransisco. I think this is accurate on the photo date and time. There's a lot going on as far as juxtaposition. And it kind gave me the ebi jibes, if no what I mean. I though it might be relevant to some of the comments made by the C's!