Session 30 October 2021


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Maybe it's out of the thread but it's important in this time I think. Can someone say something about Cobra and "Divine Intervention Activation" ?
What is credibility of this "person" and "stuff" ? I was searching the Forum threads and I found nothing about this announced event (21.12.2021) and its meaning. Is it really what Cobra said or is it a disinformation - or worse - "they" want to use mental energy to do something "not pleasant" ?
Hi adamos, it's good you ask. I'm not familiar with it, but I had a look and found this site. Part from the text:

According to Cobra, there are many benevolent civilizations in this Galaxy. They are living in a high state of spiritual development and they have a strong direct connection to the Source. They would like humanity to join the Galactic family, but they need a clear, strong, coherent signal from the surface population that contact is desired: ... We need 144,000 signatures by December 21st to trigger the desired exopolitical effect. If a critical mass of 144,000 people signs the petition, this will be the first physical expression of the collective will of surface humanity in human history that contact and intervention is desired.

STO beings/'benevolent civilizations' would not want to intervene as that would violate the free will of the people.

It will be humanity's first exopolitical document and its importance and its long term implications can be compared to documents such as the Constitution or to Declaration of Human Rights. By signing the petition, we are using our free will to create an energetic bridge between the surface of the planet and the forces of Light that live beyond the surface. This energetic bridge will speed up the process. The physical act of signing the petition is important because we wish to manifest change on the physical plane, therefore, simple inner dedication is not enough. You are not doing this only for yourself, you are doing this for the whole humanity. ... If a critical mass of 144,000 people joins our meditation, we will send such a strong signal, and according to Galactic laws, this will initiate a process of acceptance of our planet into the Galactic family.

Doing this (wishing to manifest change) for the whole of humanity would be against their free will. It's very likely disinformation as you said. Indeed, who knows where that energy will go to. Not the right places, I'd think! Have you read The Wave? I think you will find it very interesting.


Tauriel said:
Sounds so much like any new-age concepts of wishful thinking.

Yeah, I agree.


The Living Force
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Can someone say something about Cobra and "Divine Intervention Activation" ?
What is credibility of this "person" and "stuff" ?

@adamos ,

I mentioned "conduits" but not this kind. If there are even any others they need to be asked a lot of questions and at least not promote STS concepts.

I agree with @Oxajil that this group does not sound STO at all.


Sisterhood of the Rose Interview with Cobra “Divine Intervention Activation”

Debra: Yes, and we'll talk about that in a moment. So when we talk of First Contact, we think of Galactic beings visiting us from space, but does First Contact also include benevolent beings underground, like the Agarthans and the Resistance Movement coming to the surface?

Cobra: Yes, but this part is still classified. We're focusing now more on the Galactic part of the beings coming in the ships; first the Pleiadians contacting certain selected individuals and then spreading this further. So this is what our focus is with this right now.

It reminds me of something the Cs said recently as 2014 after interesting questions and remarks:

Session 30 August 2014:
(Windmill Knight) There was talk about the need for a "Rapid Reaction Force", and the EU is saying they're putting together a force of 10,000 from the EU countries to protect NATO countries. So is there any chance of direct NATO intervention in Ukraine against Russia?

A: That action may be preempted by upcoming events.

Q: (Pierre) Cosmic events?

(Perceval) By upcoming events like what? What do you mean? That's such a...

(Andromeda) Do tell!

A: Wait and see! Admit that it is better than a cliffhanger adventure movie!

Q: (Perceval) Yeah, it is.

(Andromeda) Will it be soon?

A: Relatively.

Q: (L) Relative to what? [laughter]

(Chu) That makes it clear.

(L) We are SO enlightened by that answer! [laughter]

(Pierre) So, there will be a big event relatively soon. Okay...

(L) Coming soon to a theater near you!

A: Indeed! Reference questions about "space invasion" and just change the parameters and players.

Q: (Perceval) So, not aliens in ships, but microbes on rocks. Space invasion.

(L) Could be, yeah. And they would come as the US is trying to do some kind of fake invasion or false flag stuff. Is that what we're talking about here? That when the Western Consortium-type government tries to take over the world with their faked invasion, that's when everything is going to go kaflooey?

A: More or less. You will see!

And now Ukraine is again in the spotlight with talks of a Russian invasion.


I’ve been following the situation in Poland very closely and the similarities between the situation in Ukraine in 2014 and the rhetorics used by the Polish media and politicians associated with the opposition to the current government, have been more and more evident. Yet again, the same script from the same playbook is being followed.

The current Polish government is very conservative and although I disagree with a lot of what they do I personally think they are the lesser evil. The only alternative is Western-style libtardation and as someone who shares my time between Poland and London I can say that Poland is a much saner option at the moment.

Yet the Polish society is very polarised between supporters of the current government and its liberal leaning opposers. Many conservatives oppose them too actually. So when Donald Tusk announced his return to Polish politics, using the social polarisation to gain supporters and saying that it was time for Polish people to protest - if not overthrow - the current government, similarities between Poland and other countries run by “evil dictators” became evident. The situation seems to have escalated since the passing of the law I mentioned in the question that says that the EU law is incompatible with the Polish constitution. In case of differences Polish law prevails. I can imagine the PTB don't appreciate that kind of independence, especially that many Poles do support it.

I had a conversation about it with my mom and I reminded her that when the same scenario was unfolding in Syria and I talked about it my family said they didn’t care, that they had a bathroom refurbishment to sort out so Syria wasn’t their problem. Now when the same evil is beginning to knock on our own door people in other countries will most likely be too busy with their own “bathroom refurbishments” to care. As the poem goes:

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist. (...)"

Thanks for asking that question and your commentary. It does appear as if people these days only respond to suppositories…


The Living Force
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Don't know what to say to that IAMTHATIS.

Hey, apologies if my earlier post caused you any undue angst. I thought I was being quite civil, but perhaps that was not the case. I could've phrased things much more conversationally.

When I see an opinion given on a research article, and there is no evidence to back up that opinion, well - my antenna starts to quiver. This is why I wrote what I did about opinions and research. Of course opinions are welcome. In my view, however, opinion needs to be balanced by one of the central concerns of the Work in this forum - to constantly challenge each other to be as objective as we can. Perhaps as an addition to this, it is important to do so in a way that is constructive, not constrictive.


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Stumbled upon this video going into detail about MKULTRA and MKNAOMI (did a search on MKNAOMI on the forum, turned out this post: Mystery Disease Linked to Vanished Israeli Scientist

Anyway, here's the video:
It starts out with subliminal programming embedded in the end of tv broadcast day segment where they play the national anthem before tv broadcast stops and static is shown until the start of the next day of tv "programming".

Then it goes into linking MKNAOMI to the current depopulation effort, links up all the vaccination efforts in the US and abroad to depopulation of specific races (Africa), economic circumstance (3rd world countries), sexual orientation (AIDS), and now globally.

I'm still only about 25 mins into the video but I wanted to share it now before I get sidetracked with my day job. I'll post follow-ups as I finish up watching the video.

Ended up watching this (thought it was going to be short - no), a real mix, with many things related from within this whole thread being pointed out. There was also an old film They Live (1988) brought up - for more see the discussion here, that meshes with the TV broadcast message you mention. The character in the They Live film, Roddy Piper, was also briefly featured in interview.

There is brief interview with William Cooper of the 'Behold a Pale Horse' kind of Cooper.

The rest of the MK Ultra/Naomi to this video centres on the Hegelian message with covid/PCR/fear/drugs (more on this)/jab/depopulation.

Of PCR: pretty good explanation from Kelly Mullis, with cross referencing to AIDS, Fauci, PCR test cycle amplifying, and how it has been adapted and misused, including recent cautions from the CDC and its emergency use expiry as at January 31/2022 - moving testing to labs that differentiate between influenza and so called covid (being the message that it is a failure now).

Of Drugs: in the video there was a line-up of treatments with the intent to make one really sick, or die, with the first section looking at the AIDS disaster drug, AZT. From there, it looks to another disaster (they knew was a failure with Ebola), with the repackaged, stocked and distributed, Remdesivir (FDA fast approval for covid) - the associated death stats are not good. It also looked to Midazolam, and this seemed to have been used in old age care homes before many died (not discussed in that way here).

In the same grouping (bad drugs), the video also cites hydroxychloriquine and ivermectin, and they never says anything about them, just dangle them out there, leaving one with the impression that there are like the above, bad. I don't know why whoever put the video together did this, and it did not sit right.

Overall, the film used the word 'fear' to describe why covid is so successful, and a word to avoid - no argument, except that the feeling that is being conveyed in the very video amplifies fear, or so it looks perhaps to some.


The Living Force
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(hesperides) Is the La Palma volcano activity going to increase a lot more?

A: Eventually.

Q: (L) Eventually, but we don't know when!
The La Palma eruption that calmed down in the middle of December just a few weeks ago, led me to look up transcripts relating to the Canary Islands. Below are several excerpts with the surrounding context. Topics include the Pyrenees, alchemists, the Knights Templar, Dancar, the Virgin of Candelaria, John F. Kennedy, Augustin of Hippo, the 540 event, the whitewash of Christianity, the Augustinians, Augustin of Canterbury, the caves of the Canary Islands, artifacts that carry messages, high strangeness and tall giants. In the end it turned out the Canary Island appeared in many different contexts. This is the first of two posts.

"[C]onnect the Pyrenees to the Canaries."- "Research the history of the Canary Islands for clue."
Q: Okay. I have the idea. Now, let me ask about the really strange things that I have been discovering. I am sure that I am not even halfway through it. But, let me ask this: am I correct in my thinking that following the genetic clues is part of the key...

A: Connect the dots and when you have finished, you will have a "Gaugin."

Q: Hmmm... (A) In other words, a masterpiece... (L) Okay, we know that the bloodline is important by virtue of being of the Nordic or Celtic heritage. In going through the transcripts, I came across numerous instances where a "sect" was mysteriously mentioned over and over again. I am thinking that this sect, as you call it, is this organization that we refer to as the "Quorum."

A: What is "sect" the root word of?

Q: Sector, section, (T) sectarian... (A) A branch... (L) Anything else you want to add to that?

A: Ask away.

Q: Does this other group that you have mentioned, the Nation of the Third Eye, are they one and the same?

A: The Third Eye expands vision into the unseen.
Q: Seeing the unseen. You mentioned once before that the "Rosicrucians act as a thief in the night." You also mentioned that I ought to dig into the Rosicrucians, and I went to the University library, and it was essentially missing...

A: Connect the Rosicrucians to your favorite island by the "beech." Horticulturally, please, and family.

Q: Oak Island?

A: Yup! Then, connect the Pyrenees to the Canaries.

Q: Okay, a "thief in the night." The destruction of the Templars...

A: Research the history of the Canary Islands for clue.

Q: Is there any connection to the fact that those guys at the University of Tenerife were communicating back in February and March? Might there be more to this connection?

A: Maybe, but do you know the history of this place?

Q: Well, no I don't. That one slipped by. I will follow that one... You also once before said that when a certain 7 people assembled into a perpendicular reality, that the learning would be exponential. I am sure we are not there yet, but I am wondering if this information I have discovered about bloodlines and potential activation of DNA has any connection to that idea?

A: Build your staircase one step at a time.
The above mention of Oak Island and the Pyrenees may relate to a previous session that mentions an enclave of alchemists that live somewhere in the Pyrenees.
Q: (RC) And the guy died... (L) That's interesting... Okay, change of subject. Back when we were talking about the pit on Oak Island, and you asked me to do some research on it, the answers I came up with were that the responsible group were alchemists. Is this correct.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was one of the alchemists involved Nicholas Flamel?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it true that there is an enclave of alchemists that live somewhere in the Pyrenees...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this the group that you referred to as "The Quorum" in a previous session?

A: Partly.

Q: (L) Do these alchemists use this power as talked about by David Hudson to enhance their longevity and their physical health?

A: And to control.
The following excerpt also mentions the Pyrenees and alchemists, but begins with a discussion about the "philosophers of Dancar". Dancar is a locator with relationship to "British". Might Dancar be a play on the name Danelaw:
The Danelaw [...] was the part of England in which the laws of the Danes held sway[2] and dominated those of the Anglo-Saxons.
Danelaw can describe the set of legal terms and definitions created in the treaties between Alfred the Great, the king of Wessex, and Guthrum, the Danish warlord, written following Guthrum's defeat at the Battle of Edington in 878.

In 886, the Treaty of Alfred and Guthrum was formalised, defining the boundaries of their kingdoms, with provisions for peaceful relations between the English and the Vikings. The language spoken in England was affected by this clash of cultures, with the emergence of Anglo-Norse dialects.[5]

The Danelaw roughly comprised these contemporary 15 shires: Leicester, York, Nottingham, Derby, Lincoln, Essex, Cambridge, Suffolk, Norfolk, Northampton, Huntingdon, Bedford, Hertford, Middlesex, and Buckingham.[6][7][8]
Or maybe "Dancar" was something much more prosaic, like a carriage inn belonging to a person called Dan or Daniel. There are other possibilities; according to List of generic forms in place names in Ireland and the United Kingdom, 'car, caer' could also be a camp or fortification, a meaning which is shared with 'caster, chester, cester, ceter" as in 'Lancaster,[21] Doncaster'
Don is a river in Yorkshire, a shire located in Danelaw, as previously noted. The Wiki mentions about the origin of the name for the river Don: "The probable origin of the name was Brittonic Dānā, from a root dān-, meaning "water" or "river".[1] The name Dôn (or Danu), a Celtic mother goddess, has the same origin." Looking up Dôn in astronomy reveals:
Llys Dôn (literally "The Court of Dôn") is the traditional Welsh name for the constellation Cassiopeia. At least three of Dôn's children also have astronomical associations: Caer Gwydion ("The fortress of Gwydion") is the traditional Welsh name for the Milky Way, and Caer Arianrhod ("The Fortress of Arianrhod") being the constellation of Corona Borealis."
Here follows the excerpt about Dancar:
Q: Okay. Who are the 'philosophers of Dancar?'

A: Philosophers who ride around in Dan's car.

Q: That was a serious question! Where and what is Dancar?

A: Why do you suppose the response was light hearted?

Q: Well, come on! What is Dan's car?

A: We ask you to define as best you can.

Q: A 'car' belonging to Dan. The subject was talked about in the 18th century.

A: Yes.

Q: To what place were they referring when they talked about Dancar?

A: British.

Q: Why would they call it Dancar?

A: Locator.

Q: There is no place called Dancar.

A: No?

Q: Supposedly, Christian Rosencruetz was initiated by the 'philosophers of Dancar.' I want to know where this blasted place is! Okay, skip it. One of the Rosicrucian manifestos said: 'God has sent messengers and signs in the heavens, namely the new stars in Serpentarius and Cygnus, to show that a great council of the elect is to take place.' What do they mean by a 'great council of the elect?'

A: Pyrenees.

Q: Okay, the purported enclave of the alchemists... Why was it signified by new stars in Serpentarius and Cygnus? What do they represent?

A: Novae.
The Canary Islands, its location, connection, and history
Q: Okay. Now, the 64,000 dollar question... tunnels, longitude of Oak Island, leading to Pointe Perce, Mont Blanc and the St. Bernard Tunnel, and St. Bernard wrote the rules for the Templars... and then, Tenerife, the Canaries and the latitude of 28:30 connected to the spider in the King James version of Proverbs 30:28... and that leads directly to New Port Richey. Therefore, is there some connection between the location of this house and something on the Canary Islands?

A: You have made much progress, expect more, if vigilant and persistent!

Q: Well, you know I am that! Well, at the time the question was 'could the position of my house over a tunnel be detrimental?' And the answer was 'yes.' Then, the question was 'how?' which led to the answer 'That is the 64,000 dollar question. So, is there any further that I can have at this time?

A: Detrimental is subjective, according to unfolding events and choices.

Q: So, it was a question at that time, the BIG question as to what I was going to choose to do...

A: Close.


{The tape stopped recording for some reason at this point. I asked about the missing tapes and they indicated that they WERE taken by some person who had been in my house with the idea to use them to harm me in some way. The C's would not tell me who, saying that this would lead me off in a futile and harmful direction. Then, they pointed out that I should be always aware of keeping the tapes very secure from now on. Next, I asked about the missing program and was told that this was done from "outside" also, though not by human agent. And then they gave a rather lengthy closing statement about pursuing the search in the Canaries... to learn every single detail of the history of this place... }

End of Session
The Virgin of Candelaria
On one of the Canary Islands there is a Black Madonna, the Virgin of Candelaria:
The Virgin of Candelaria or Our Lady of Candle (Spanish: Virgen de Candelaria or Nuestra Señora de la Candelaria), popularly called La Morenita, celebrates the Virgin Mary on the island of Tenerife, one of the Canary Islands (Spain). The center of worship is located in the city of Candelaria in Tenerife. She is depicted as a Black Madonna. The "Royal Basilica Marian Shrine of Our Lady of Candelaria" (Basilica of Candelaria) is considered the main church dedicated to the Virgin Mary in the Canary Islands and she is the patron saint of the Canary Islands.[1] Her feast is celebrated on February 2 (Fiesta de la Candelaria) and August 15, the patronal feast of the Canary Islands.
The Virgin of Candelaria and its appearance on Tenerife
Q: In the information I now have on the Canaries, I found that a strange icon appeared on the island long before the conquest, long before any missionaries or Europeans arrived. The natives were the big, blond types. They said that they knew this icon was divine because following its appearance, there were processions of angels, or divine beings, up and down the beach where it appeared, lights, smells, chanting and singing and so forth. How did the statue of the Virgin of Candelaria arrive on the beach at Tenerife?

A: Teleportation.

Q: Who teleported it there?

A: The "Celts."

Q: Celts in the sense of the Druids?

A: Or in the sense of Atlanteans.

Q: Now, you said before that Atlanteans were not Celts, is that correct?

A: No.

Q: The Atlanteans were Celts?

A: "Celts, Druids," etc... are merely latter day designations.
Next comes a discussion of the origin of the Celts
Q: Let's back up here. You said that the Celts came from Kantek. They were transported by the Lizzies... brought here, correct?

A: Yes.

Q: When the Lizzies did this, how many Celts were physically brought here?

A: Hundreds of millions.

Q: How long, in our terms, did it take to bring these Celts to this planet? Or, is this ongoing?

A: Well, in the sense that you measure it, let us say about a week.

Q: Did they transport them in ships, that is some sort of structure. That is, did they load them up, move them into 4th density, reemerge here in 3rd density, or something like that?

A: Close.

Q: And they unloaded them in the area of the Caucasus, is that correct?

A: And regions surrounding.

Q: And, that was what, 79 to 80 thousand years ago?

A: Over 80,000.

Q: As I understand it, Atlantis was already quite a developed civilization at that time, is that correct?

A: Yes, but regions change with waves of immigration, or conquest... witness your own lands.
The Canary Islands were populated 12,000 years ago by "Celts"
Q: When did the Kantekkians, or Celts or whatever arrive on the Canary Islands?

A: 12,000 years ago.

Q: Did they arrive there from Atlantis directly?

A: Close.

Q: Where from?

A: Confused by trauma.

Q: What does that mean?

A: Guess.

Q: Did they come from underground?

A: Some.

Q: Were they part of the underground race?

A: No Laura. What "trauma" do you think we are referring to??

Q: The comet cluster? The Flood of Noah?

A: Close enough.

Q: When did the Celts or Kantekkians first take up residence in the British Isles?

A: Same. 12,000 years ago.

Q: Were the Picts also Celts?

A: No, Atlantean. Remember, "Celt" is latter day moniker.

Q: Were the Picts Kantekkians?

A: Originally.
The 'angelic beings' that appeared on the Canaries were 4th density
Q: Were the 'angelic beings' that appeared on the Canaries Druids or Rosicrucians?

A: They were 4th density.

Q: Were they STS of STO?

A: Both.

Q: Do the STS and STO hang out together?

A: Do you hang out with all types of your realm?

Q: Well, in these processions of beings that the Guanches of the island saw, were they STS or STO?

A: Both.

Q: You mean they would see one and then another?

A: Close.
From the Wiki there is an image of the Virgin of Candelaria:
Canary is reminiscent of Candelaria, but is there a connection?

The Virgin of Candelaria appears again in the session a week later:
Q: Alright. I want to clear up some quick ones before I get into the more complicated subjects. Left from last week: We talked about the statue of the Virgin of Candelaria, and the mode of its appearance. But, I want to know what year it arrived on the Canaries?

A: No year was measured then.

Q: Well, I know the Guanches did not, but related to the Spaniards who arrived later and who learned about it, when was it?

A: Maybe 1198 would be good.

Q: Now, I notice that the Celtic name for the town of St. Albans is Verulamium, and that is where Henry Percy, son of Hotspur, was killed in battle. I also notice that Sir Francis Bacon was Lord Verulam, and he was thought to be not only a Rosicrucian, but also the author of the Shakespearean plays, as well as some of the Rosicrucian manifestos...

A: Check out Alton Towers, for clues.

Q: Okay, I will do that. Thank you. Okay. Now, there is a thing called the GONG project on Tenerife. My feeling is that it is a mask for something else.

A: Close.

Q: What, precisely, is the GONG project doing?

A: Magnetic frequency. Measurements for possible future use.

Q: Future use for what purpose?

A: Discovery. Oh, you are so "brilliant."

Q: Is brilliant the code word for the discovery here?

A: You will see.
GONG is an acronym for Global Oscillation Network Group The page of the project explains:
The Global Oscillation Network Group (GONG) is a community-based program to conduct a detailed study of solar internal structure and dynamics using helioseismology. In order to exploit this new technique, GONG has developed a six-station network of extremely sensitive, and stable velocity imagers located around the Earth to obtain nearly continuous observations of the Sun's "five-minute" oscillations, or pulsations.
Also in the above Session.
Q: [...]Okay. There are two more things I want to cover tonight. The first is my map here of Tenerife. See the map? {Points to map on table.} What does it make you think of? After all this time of discussing the Canaries, I have this detailed map here. And, apparently somewhere along here is where the statue was found. Here is the cave where it was kept. And along here the processions...

A: It?? How about they? And, we feel you might now be best served by researching a "modern day" connection for these things, such as UFOs, Roswell, and the underground zones, and what purpose they serve.

Q: Okay. Leave off the Canary Islands. But, one more little thing here... This is the inscription on the statue of the Virgin of Candelaria. Can you offer any suggestions for decoding this?

A: Try the "3/5 principle"... Let your search be joyous as always... We must depart for now, Good Night.
If there was more than one sculpture, what happened to the others? There are many Black Madonnas, especially in Europe. Among them is the Virgin of Montserrat, near Barcelona in Northern Spain. The location is interesting and the Wiki mentions: "The mountain of Montserrat has been of religious significance since pre-Christian times, when the Romans built a temple to honor the Roman goddess Venus.[7]" Is the Virgin of Candelaria a reflection of an earlier tradition?

Q: Okay. I think that helps. We will take care of it and see where it goes. Now, I was trying to relate the Canaries to Roswell, and noted the funny numbers of lines of latitude. I really didn't WANT to read any more about this subject, but I dug out all the stuff sent to me by Stan Friedman. And, while I was reading, I was looking at the map and locating the various sites mentioned by him. It seems that the actual 'crash' did not take place AT Roswell. It was nearer to Corona. And, near Corona is a place called 'Socorro,' and there is a Socorro on the Canaries, also, which is almost exactly where this statue of the Virgin was found. C**** and I looked it up and it means 'succor.' The inscription on the painting of the Magdalene that is in the church at Rennes le Chateau talks about the 'tears of the virgin' washing away sin and is a plea for 'succor.' And this painting is modeled on the painting of St. Anthony, the hermit, who is shown being tempted by creatures that can only be described as 'aliens.' Now, there is also a Magdalena, a St. Anthony, and even a Pearce on the map near this crash site. And when I drew little lines connecting them all, they enclosed this plain of San Augustin....

A: And who was Saint Augustine/San Augustin... Augustus, Augustine Monks, etc?

Q: Oh! Well, I never thought about that! I was going after St. Anthony and the Magdalene... St. Augustine was one of the early church 'fathers' who wrote a lot of things that became established church doctrine in general.

A: Or established early church "whitewash." What was "Corona?" Who was "Ranier?" Also, interesting that you should be contacted by Valerian... Has he ever explored Ranier?
Ranier could be a family name, that among all places is most common in France. Corona, can be the outer atmosphere of a star, a virus, or it may refer to the constellation Corona Borealis. In architecture, it could indicate "The Corona, Canterbury Cathedral, the east end of Canterbury Cathedral, built to contain the shrine of Thomas Becket." Becket was a saint that was murdered in 1170.

After reading "And who was Saint Augustine/San Augustin... Augustus, Augustine Monks, etc?", I looked up some links, and it is particularly interesting because of the time in which these people lived. Augustus, the first roman emperor, was the adopted son of Julius Caesar. Why influential people of what became the church shared the name is unclear, but looking them up leads to Saint Augustine:
Saint Augustine or Augustine of Hippo (354–430) was a bishop, theologian and father of the Latin Catholic Church.
The Wiki for Augustine of Hippo has:
Augustine of Hippo (/ɔːˈɡʌstɪn/,[26] /əˈɡʌstɪn/,[41] or /ˈɔːɡʌstɪn/;[42] Latin: Aurelius Augustinus Hipponensis;Augustine of Hippo - Wikipedia 13 November 354 – 28 August 430), also known as Saint Augustine or Saint Austin,[44] is known by various cognomens throughout the many denominations of the Christian world, including Blessed Augustine and the Doctor of Grace[24] (Latin: Doctor gratiae).

Hippo Regius, where Augustine was the bishop, was in modern-day Annaba, Algeria.[45][46]

Childhood and education

Augustine was born in 354 in the municipium of Thagaste (now Souk Ahras, Algeria) in the Roman province of Numidia.[47][48][49][50][51] His mother, Monica or Monnica,[c] was a devout Christian; his father Patricius was a pagan who converted to Christianity on his deathbed.[52] He had a brother named Navigius and a sister whose name is lost but is conventionally remembered as Perpetua.[53]

Scholars generally agree Augustine and his family were Berbers, an ethnic group indigenous to North Africa,[54][55][56] but were heavily Romanized, speaking only Latin at home as a matter of pride and dignity.[54] In his writings, Augustine leaves some information as to the consciousness of his African heritage. For example, he refers to Apuleius as "the most notorious of us Africans,"[54][57] to Ponticianus as "a country man of ours, insofar as being African,"[54][58] and to Faustus of Mileve as "an African Gentleman".[54][59]

Augustine's family name, Aurelius, suggests his father's ancestors were freedmen of the gens Aurelia given full Roman citizenship by the Edict of Caracalla in 212. Augustine's family had been Roman, from a legal standpoint, for at least a century when he was born.[60] It is assumed his mother, Monica, was of Berber origin, on the basis of her name,[61][62] but as his family were honestiores, an upper class of citizens known as honorable men, Augustine's first language was likely Latin.[61]
Augustine of Hippo placed Matthew before Mark, see the Wiki for the Augustinian hypothesis. Was that order part of the "whitewash"? What about Paul? For a longer entry on his ideas and philosophy, see: Saint Augustine (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

Under Augustinians. one finds:
Augustinians are members of Christian religious orders that follow the Rule of Saint Augustine, written in about 400 AD by Augustine of Hippo. There are two distinct types of Augustinians in Catholic religious orders dating back to the 12th–13th centuries:[1][2]

Various congregations of Canons Regular also follow the Rule of Saint Augustine, embrace the evangelical counsels and lead a semi-monastic life, while remaining committed to pastoral care appropriate to their primary vocation as priests. They generally form one large community which might serve parishes in the vicinity, and are organized into autonomous congregations.
Charism [edit]
In a religious community, "charism" is the particular contribution that each religious order, congregation or family and its individual members embody.[4] The teaching and writing of Augustine, the Augustinian Rule, and the lives and experiences of Augustinians over sixteen centuries help define the ethos and special charism of the order.

The pursuit of truth through learning is key to the Augustinian ethos, balanced by the injunction to behave with love towards one another. These same imperatives of affection and fairness have driven the order in its international missionary outreach.[5] This balanced pursuit of love and learning has energised the various branches of the order into building communities founded on mutual affection and intellectual advancement.

Augustine spoke passionately of God's "beauty so ancient and so new",[6] and his fascination with beauty extended to music. He taught that "whoever sings prays twice" (Qui cantat, bis orat)[7] and music is also a key part of the Augustinian ethos.
Augustine of Hippo, first with some friends and afterward as bishop with his clergy, led a monastic community life. Regarding the use of property or possessions, Augustine did not make a virtue of poverty, but of sharing. Their manner of life led others to imitate them. Instructions for their guidance were found in several writings of Augustine, especially in De opere monachorum, mentioned in ancient codices of the eighth or ninth century as the "Rule of St. Augustine".[10] Between 430 and 570 this life-style was carried to Europe by monks and clergy fleeing the persecution of the Vandals.[11]
Saint Augustine (disambiguation) - Wikipedia mentioned also:
Augustine of Canterbury (d. 604), first Archbishop of Canterbury
While Augustine of Hippo lived 354-430, his life-style was carried to Europe 430-570 by monks and clergy fleeing the persecution of the Vandals. At the end of this period came Augustine of Canterbury, who must have become a public figure around or right after the 540 event, as he is supposed to have died in 604.
Augustine of Canterbury (early 6th century – probably 26 May 604) was a monk who became the first Archbishop of Canterbury in the year 597. He is considered the "Apostle to the English" and a founder of the English Church.[4]

Augustine was the prior of a monastery in Rome when Pope Gregory the Great chose him in 595 to lead a mission, usually known as the Gregorian mission, to Britain to Christianize King Æthelberht and his Kingdom of Kent from Anglo-Saxon paganism.
See also: AUGUSTINE’S MONASTIC MISSION, San Agustin, Las Palmas on the Canary Islands
For more on the problems with history around 540 see this and subsequent posts in the thread.

"[T]he processions of 'angels' on the Canary Islands"
Q: Well, I found some connections between some tombs in Rome, Nicolas Poussin, and some tombs in England, the processions of 'angels' on the Canary Islands. The connection seems to be these funny lights, or Candles, with 'peculiar wicks,' as they are described, which are 'eternal flames.' I am wondering if this is what you meant by connecting them by the frequency of light?

A: "Eternal flame" adorns the tomb of JFK. Connection?
Regarding JFK. Tenerife is located at around 28th parallel north. That number allegedly appeared in connection with the death of John F. Kennedy.
KING-KILL/33° Masonic Symbolism in the Assassination of John F. Kennedy
By James Shelby Downard with Michael A. Hoffman II
President Kennedy and his wife left the Temple Houston and were met at midnight by tireless crowds present to cheer the virile "Sun God" and his dazzlingly erotic wife, the "Queen of Love and Beauty," in Fort Worth. On the morning of November 22, they flew to Gate 28 at Love Field, Dallas, Texas. The number 28 is one of the correspondences of Solomon in kabbalistic numerology; the Solomonic name assigned to 28 is "Beale."

On the 28th degree of latitude in the state of Texas is the site of what was once the giant "Kennedy ranch." On the 28th degree is also Cape Canaveral from which the moon flight was launched-made possible not only by the President's various feats but by his death as well, for the placing of the Freemasons on the moon could occur only after the Killing of the King. The 28th degree of Templarism is the "King of the Sun" degree. The President and First Lady arrived in Air Force One, code-named "Angel."
Returning to the session:
Q: Yes. I also found the Solloi priesthood and the priestesses called Peleiades. They seem to be involved with urns, birds, tinkling bells, urns that can be struck and which then set up a particular resonance in other urns, oak trees, and some other peculiar references that relate to laurel trees...

A: Siren song.

Q: What about the siren song?

A: Greek mythology.

Q: I know that. What about it? What do the sirens represent?

A: Laura, my dear, if you really want to reveal "many beautiful and amazing things," all you need to do is remember the triad, the trilogy, the trinity, and look always for the triplicative connecting clue profile. Connect the threes... do not rest until you have found three beautifully balancing meanings!!

Q: So, in everything there are three aspects?

A: And why? Because it is the realm of the three that you occupy. In order to possess the keys to the next level, just master the Third Man Theme, then move on with grace and anticipation.

Q: In a previous session you also said that the Guanches were confused by a trauma, which was why they did not have a clear story about their origins. So, I was thinking about it and wondering if they were actual Atlanteans, and that the Canary Islands were an intact part of Atlantis, and that the Guanches did not actually travel from anywhere... they were there all along. That the Canaries is an actual area of Atlantis that survived and that the Guanches survived with it.

A: Close.

Q: Is there some mystery or secret about how they got there?

A: In what context?

Q: I asked before, and you said 'guess,' and I guessed the flood of Noah, and you said 'close.' You said they were traumatized. I just wanted to know where they came from. They have a tradition that 60 of them arrived...

A: You are close enough to lay the foundations of your castle.
Gran Canaria and "the caverns to which the wanderers go in the sides of cliffs in order to seek refuge from deluge"
Q: Okay, let's get to some of these questions... let's do some quick ones first. Would you comment on the fact that RhoChi is a mirror image of ChiRho, as though Rosy Cross were a mirror image of Christianity... added to this the fact that Dionysos, in the Titian painting, looks like he is stepping out of a mirror... also, the mirrors that showed up in the Etruscan book Ark sent, and the Well of Hagar which turned out to be Beer-lahai-roi, or the well of the living mirror... very funny things popping up after you mentioned the word mirror last week! Could you comment?

A: Better check the "leaflets..."

Q: Leaflet...? (T) Young leaf?

A: Patch of Zion.

Q: Okay, help me out here...

A: We are...

Q: Do you mean the 'budding olive tree?'

A: If you explore the caverns to which the wanderers go in the sides of cliffs in order to seek refuge from deluge, you will know...
Some caves are even below the surface of the sea, many are above. The session continues:
Q: Obviously something will be discovered on this. I am taking it as a clue to work on. Do you mean the caves all along the cliffs on the Canary Islands where the Virgin of Candelaria was found?

A: Yes. Page 33?

Q: Could you comment on Paran Sikarios? Did I hit the jackpot on that one?

A: Expect not to "hit the jackpot" so early in the quest, my dear. What would you do in such a retirement?

Q: Well, I certainly don't think it is the ULTIMATE jackpot. I am just talking about a small coup here!

A: Coup d’etat?
Regarding "A: Coup d'etat?", does "coup d'etat" not only play on Laura's choice of words, but also on the statement a week earlier of '"Eternal flame" adorns the tomb of JFK. Connection?'
Q: Now, all these Masons are very hot on the Sinclair family and the Rosslyn Chapel. They are certain that their guys came to America, because in this chapel, built supposedly by a Master Mason, there are carvings of corn, as in maize, and aloe vera plants. This is evidence, to them, that Prince Henry the Navigator and all the Templars and all that...

A: Nonsense!

Q: Well, then, what IS the explanation for these carvings in Rosslyn Chapel?

A: Visitors yes, but the Masonic creed is intertwined with ancient order of Essenes, arising out of ancient Egypt, from the secret knowledge stored at the base of the Sphinx, as left there by "Atlantean" survivors.

Q: Does anybody in the Masonic order know anything?

A: Yes.

Q: Well, how high do you have to go to get to know anything?

A: Page 33. Blond and blue-eyed, of course!
Before genetic alteration, one branch stood eleven feet tall.

Q: Speaking of these tall guys, William Wallace's life was sort of symbolic, in my mind, and he was supposed to have been over 6 and a half feet tall. During the time that all that mess was going on over in Scotland with Wallace and the Bruce, the Templars were being dissolved in France...

A: Dissolved?!? We think not! They merely went "underground."

Q: Is that literally or figuratively?

A: Why not both?

Q: Well, there are Templar organizations that some Mason's claim to be in contact with.

A: And where do you suppose these are?

Q: Underground?

A: Bingo!

Q: Okay. The Templars were formed in Jerusalem. They were there for quite a while with no record of doing any of the things that the group supposedly intended to do. There are a lot of rumors... what were they doing in Jerusalem?

A: Templars held the secret of levitation.

Q: Is this something... and I am talking about the 9 guys in Jerusalem... did they discover some document in Jerusalem that gave them this secret?

A: Yes.

Q: And is this how they were able to get so much support from certain royal houses and so forth?

A: It is time for you to study Kaballah again, but be careful!!

Q: Okay. I have several books on the subject. I will start tomorrow. Now, when the Templars were arrested, they were accused of worshipping a head, or skull, and also the god Baphomet. Were these spurious accusations designed to defame them?

A: Skull was of pure crystal.

Q: What is the definition of the god 'Baphomet,' if they did, indeed, worship such?

A: The holder of the Trent.

Q: What is THAT?

A: Seek.

Q: What is the meaning of 'The Widow's Son?' The implication?

A: Stalks path of wisdom incarnate.

Q: Why is this described as a Widow's son? This was the appelation of Perceval...

A: Perceval was knighted in the court of seven.

Q: The court of seven what?

A: Swords points signify crystal transmitter of truth beholden.

Q: What is the relationship between Perceval, Paran Sikarios, the Assassini, and Ishmael, the son of Hagar, at the well of the mirror?

A: Spear of Destiny.

Q: Are the Ishmaelis the carriers of the true bloodline, and the line of Isaac and Jacob, the Supplanter, the carriers of the monothiestic covenant, are the false line?

A: Close.

Q: Are the Ishmaelis also the carriers of the knowledge of levitation, the cult of the head or the skull...

A: Try to connect to the Templars.

Q: Did the Templars discover the secrets of the Ishmaelis, the Assassini, and is this what they carried into Europe, and then underground?

A: Buried in Galle.

Q: Okay, discovered that one of the Percy estates was called 'Alnwick,' which startled me a bit after tracking wicks all over the place. But, what is the meaning of 'Alnwick?'

A: Discover. Invert. Allan. Check Hebrew root of Allan.

Q: The Counts of Flanders and Champagne were the sponsors of Chretien de Troyes who wrote the original Grail stories in which Perceval figures so prominently. These guys were also connected with the Templars. Well, it seems that the Templars were not the only ones getting picked on during certain periods. The Percy family has had much MORE than its share! Why?

A: You will be "picked on" too, if you learn too many secrets!!

Q: So, the Percys DID know something. I understand that the Percy family has a collection of 62 alchemical manuscripts... which is actually how I found out about Alnwick - I was tracking these alchemical texts....

A: But if you go there, do not ask for the key!

Q: Does the current head of the family know the secret?

A: Getting "warmer."

Q: Has this person also been pursuing the secret?

A: Pour suivant.

Q: What does that mean, Frank? (F) For, to follow. (T) Why did you say that in French?

A: Look for clues, and do not have expectations!
Q: Alright. Let me just say: I notice that Giza, the Canary Islands, Mt. Everest, and right here where we are sitting, are all along the same parallel - rather close, in fact. The same line of latitude.

A: Good observation.

Q: Anything else about that?

A: Any pyramids on the same latitude as Wroclaw?

Q: Well, I don't know! Are there? Never mind, you are gonna say 'discover!'

A: Yup.
Wroclaw is located on the 51st north parallel, and so is Stonehenge in the UK and Externsteine in Germany. Might there be a pyramid somewhere too?

Moving forward to April 1998 there is another excerpt mentioning the Canary Islands,
Q: Ummm, in reading this funny book I just finished {I believe it was “Fingerprints of the Gods” by Graham Hancock}, I discovered that there is the tradition of the Ark of the Covenant being in Ethiopia. This guy did a bunch of research on it, and it seems possible that it is there, and that it may even be active. Is it, in fact, in the church of St. Mary of Zion in Ethiopia?

A: No.

Q: Where is it?

A: If we were to reveal this to you, it would be akin to giving a hand grenade to a baby!!

Q: Well, I just thought I would ask! What I found out was that this wonderful Hakluyt Society that chronicled the funny business in the Canary Islands {which I had read previously, and which claimed that the Ark of the covenant was there} also kept track of the goings on in Ethiopia. One of the things they told about was the carrying of the Ark in procession by red or blond headed guys. And there was the Croix Patte of the Templars on a number of objects in Ethiopia. The Rose Croix. Did we have Templars there, or what was going on? Was the Ark there and was it then taken somewhere else?

A: The Ark of the Covenant is not what you think it is.

Q: You guys said that it was a power cell. I don't have some sort of romantic idea of it. I can accept that. But there are all these stories about it and a lot of people have mythologized it. What do you mean by saying such a thing. What is the Ark?

A: See Oak Island.
{Trans-dimensional Atomic Remolecularizer?}

Q: It seems that the Templars were in charge of building the Cathedral at Chartres, and there is a tableaux on one of the porches of Melchizedek and the Queen of Sheba. Equidistant between them is the Ark of the Covenant in a cart. Melchizedek is holding a cup that is supposed to be the Holy Grail. Inside this cup is a cylindrical object of stone. What is this?

A: Greater sight.

Q: What?! (A) Is it a symbol or a device?

A: Why cannot it be both?

Q: (A) It can be both, but is it both?

A: Yes.

Q: (A) So, it is a device for greater sight like a crystal ball, yes?

A: Only when utilized exactly precisely.

Q: How do you execute something with this device?

A: Why should one wish to "execute" someone with this device?

Q: We don't understand...

A: Laura did say "execute."

Q: You were using the phraseology of my question to give a clue, I suppose... Okay, in 1306 a mission from the Ethiopian King went to visit Pope Clement V. Exactly one year later the Templars were arrested. What did the Pope and the Ethiopian king and all the others talk about at that meeting?

A: Whether or not orders were being realized.

End of Session
The statements: "in 1306 a mission from the Ethiopian King went to visit Pope Clement V." and "What did the Pope and the Ethiopian king and all the others talk about at that meeting?" followed by "A: Whether or not orders were being realized." indicates that a One World Government is not a new concept. In fact, it is interesting that the current director of the World Health Organization is an Ethiopian.


The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Continuing the previous post on the subject of the Canary Islands, the first excerpt also mentions France, Spain, and Morocco. To make the names easier to pinpoint, below are a few maps.

From there is a map with a section of western Europe and northern Africa. The Pyrenees are not marked, but it is essentially the border area between France and Spain and includes the country of Andorra.
The Canary Islands are located in the Atlantic Ocean, in the lower left corner of the above map.
Next is an image with more detail from Yandex maps. The distance to Africa from the island nearest is about a 100 km. The island of Tenerife is the larger triangular island in the middle.
Candelaria on the island of Tenerife, mentioned in the previous post, is located near the coast, 15 km south of Santa Cruz de Tenerife. The Wiki has the following map, and if you zoom in or enlarge, you should be able to find the location.
After the above introduction, the excerpts follow:

Artifacts hold the key
Q: Who created the legends of the Holy Grail and Joseph of Arimathea bringing it to a) France, or b) England? Who was behind the creating of this group of legends?

A: Not a group of legends.

Q: Why was the 12th century the focal point for the propagation of the grail legends, the troubadours, the whole thing?

A: Beginning of "Renaissance."

Q: The story is, and there are even some very old legends in France itself, that there are caves or places where Joseph and Mary Magdalene spent the night, or lived, or whatever. Did Joseph of Arimathea actually travel to France and then to England later, with Mary Magdalene or other followers of Jesus?

A: No.

Q: Did he travel to France alone?

A: No.

Q: What is the source of these stories? What is the point of these stories?

A: Deflection.

Q: Deflection of what to what or from what?

A: Truth from recipient.

Q: Okay. Did somebody travel to France carrying some sort of object, or a person who was this 'object,' so to speak, as the 'holy bloodline,' or whatever?

A: Maybe it was carried by those most capable.
The last statement "carried by those most capable" may, or may not, be related to the Etruscans described as "Templar carriers" mentioned in an earlier session:
Q: Change of subject: I am tracking the clues through the various languages and alphabets. I would like to know which of these alphabets, Runic, Greek, or Etruscan, preceded the others, and from which the others are derived?

A: Etruscan.

Q: Well, who were the Etruscans?

A: Templar carriers.

Q: What does that mean?

A: Seek and ye shall find.

Q: Well, how am I supposed to do that? I can't find anything else on the Etruscans!

A: No.

Q: What do you mean 'no?' You mean there is more out there on the Etruscans?

A: Yes.

Q: Okay. What are Templar carriers?

A: Penitent Avian Lords.

Q: What does that mean?

A: For your search. All is drawn from some more ancient form.
The subject of "Templar Carriers" and Etruscans came up again a few weeks later: Session 16 August 1997
Q: Well, writing is related to the words for cutting and inscribing and even shearing and sharks. You called the Etruscans 'Penitant Avian Lords,' who were also 'Templar Carriers.' Is this related to these bird images? Then related to speech, writing and shearing?

A: Pass the test.

Q: So, if you are writing, and you pass the test, then you can be a phoenix, dove or whatever?

A: Discover.

Q: Ark suggested that the Etruscans may have gotten their alphabet as a mirror image. Could it be that they lived on the 'other side' of the mirror?

A: Latter is closer.
Returning to the session from 2 May 1998, which mentions the Pyrenees, alchemists, France, Spain, Morocco and the Canary Islands.
Q: And who would be those most capable?

A: Check the geographic link.

Q: I am getting completely confused. I don't have a single clue about what is going on here or even what we are talking about now!

A: Where are the Pyrenees?

Q: On the border between France and Spain.

A: Who lives there?

Q: The Basques, among others. Is that who we are getting at? Or the Alchemists? These beings....

A: Close.

Q: The Rosicrucians? So, what does that have to do with this bloodline and Holy Grail business, and Joseph of Arimathea and Mary Magdalene... I mean, did Mary Magdalene exist as a person?

A: Yes.

Q: Was she the wife of Jesus?

A: No.
Knowing what we do now of who Jesus was, the identity of Mary Magdalene is still interesting. From the Wiki about the town of Magdala, one finds:
Recognition of Magdala as the birthplace of Mary Magdalene appears in texts dating back to the 6th century CE
The 6th century was the time of the 540 event, so the history is uncertain. Continuing the transcript, there is:
Q: Did Jesus have a wife?

A: Yes.

Q: Who was his wife?

A: Anatylenia.

Q: Who was this person?

A: The wife of Jesus.

Q: What was her background, her nationality?

A: Nazarene.

Q: Does that mean that she was from the east?

A: Possibly, if viewed that way.

Q: Did they have any children?

A: Yes.

Q: How many?

A: Three.

Q: What was the family name?

A: Marnohk.

Q: What did his wife do when he ascended into the state of hyperconsciousness which you have previously described?

A: Awaited her turn to transition.

Q: Did she continue to live in the same general area, or did she move to Europe.

A: Same.

Q: So, all these stories being made up about all these people and dramatic scenarios...

A: It is not the people but the message, the artifacts hold the key.

Q: What artifacts? Where are these artifacts?

A: France, Spain, Canary Islands and Morocco.

Q: What kind of artifacts are they? Things that still exist?

A: Yes.

Q: Is there any possibility that I am going to be able to find out about, or even actually FIND these artifacts?

A: Of course!!

Q: Does anyone else know about these artifacts?

A: Others are "on the trail."

Q: Is one of these artifacts the 'Virgin of Candelaria' that appeared in the Canary Islands?

A: Related.

Q: Okay, well, I haven’t learned anything about Morocco yet...

A: Best to get "on the trail of..."

Q: On the trail of what? Trail of the Lonesome Pine, Trail of the Assassin... the Assassini?

A: Look for major conjunctions.

Q: Any more clues you want to give on that? Are we supposed to actually physically go to these places?

A: What does "Casablanca" mean in Spanish?

Q: White House.

A: Yes...

Q: Related to the White House in Washington?

A: On the trail...

Q: You once said something about 'undreamed of treasures buried in Alfalfa fields in Rhineland.' I have puzzled over this and puzzled over this and gone in ten different directions, and I still don't have a real handle on it. Can you help me out here? Is this related to the crystal skull supposedly in the possession of the Templars that they supposedly buried in Gaul that the Templars had?

A: Need a better "handl" on it.

Q: George Friedrich? (A) No... (L) Well that is a funny spelling. You also said something about records being in the Hague. How am I supposed to check records in the Hague? The only way is to go there...

A: Travel for you is okay in small doses.
The above George Friedrich in the context would refer to George Friedrich Händel, but there was another composer that worked in Prague: Jacobus Handl (1550–1591), also known as Jacobus Gallus, a productive late-Renaissance composer.

In the next excerpt, the Canary Islands appear in a discussion of ancient earth changes.
Q: Okay, let me get more specific: the Atlantean land that was supposed to have existed in the Atlantic Ocean... what was the farthest north of any part of Atlantis that was in the ocean, that no longer exists?

A: It is "time for you" to know that Atlantis was not a nation, land, Island, or continent, but rather, a civilization!

Q: All I wanted was to have an idea of a land mass in the Atlantic ocean that people talk about - where did it sit?

A: Where do you think?

Q: Well, I sort of think that the Azores and the Canary Islands are sort of...

A: Yes, but many other places too. Remember, the sea level was several hundred feet lower then...
Some underwater caves in the Canary Islands might have been used in ancient times.
Q: Why was the sea level several hundred feet lower? Because there was ice somewhere or because there was not as much water on the earth at that time?

A: Ice.

Q: Was the ice piled up at the poles? The ice sheet of the ice age?

A: Yes.

Q: So, Atlantis existed during the ice age?

A: Largely, yes. And the world's climate was scarcely any colder away from the ice sheets than it is today.

Q: Well, how could that be? What caused these glaciers?

A: Global warming.

Q: How does global warming cause glaciers?

A: Increases precipitation dramatically. Then moves the belt of great precipitation much farther north. This causes rapid buildup of ice sheets, followed by increasingly rapid and intense glacial rebound.
In the following, the Canary Islands is used as an example of a case that required careful and patient study.
Q: Speaking of three... should we continue on this Medusa subject at this point?

A: You are beginning to obsess. The answers lie within the finished painting, not within the paintbrushes.

Q: Okay. Next: On this subject of 'looking for the frequency of light,' the 'undreamed of treasures in Rhineland,' and needing a better 'handl' on it. I came to the conclusion that it might be Liechtenstein because of the 'handle of a stein' and Liecht is light in German, so we have the frequency of light with a handle on it, or Liechtenstein. And, in this place there is a little town called Triesen.

A: What does stein mean, is it "written in stone?"

Q: Stein as in 'grail,' and stone as in 'philosopher's.' So, maybe we are getting close.

A: What does Einstein mean?

Q: 'One stone.' And a stein is a cup and a stone at the same time. So, Triesen is in the 'beautiful countryside between the Rhine and the alpine world.' There is an alp called Lawena, nearby Lake Constance, and the Swiss canton of St. Gallen. You said something about being buried in 'Galle' and this seems to have all the related elements collected together... all the key words... so am I...

A: On the right track? It looks good.

Q: But how do alfalfa fields connect with all of this? There is nothing about alfalfa? Comment?

A: You think there is no alfalfa in the Germanic highland?

Q: Well, are we supposed to go to Liechtenstein to find what we are looking for?

A: Be patient... clues will progress nicely. Remember the Canary Islands?

Q: Yes, I remember. Okay, that takes care of several things. You are talking about bloodlines becoming parasitically infested and harassed at times of quantum leaps such as now, when I was reading back over this, it seems that this is a repeating cycle, this parasitic infestation; and then reading the history of Gregory of Tours, and all of these truly amazing things - lights in the sky, plagues, repeated incidents of aerial phenomena... a 'light like a serpent' in the sky... a bright light and 'snakes fell from the clouds...' in 590, fiery globes traversed the heavens and then an eclipse of the sun. These astronomical phenomena were usually followed by inclement weather which, in its turn, brought plague... is this the kind of parasitical infestation, harassment and so forth that we are talking about here?

A: Maybe, look for more clues.

Q: Well, do you have a specific point that you would like to toss on me here so that I have an idea of what I am looking for?

A: Undulating matrix/mosaic.

Q: Well, there is definitely a LOT of that. It is completely amazing what our forebears wrote about that other people just pass off as an overactive imagination. Are we talking about these kinds of things going on nowadays... it seems pretty obvious that it is...

A: Wait for more... and good night.

End of Session
If you noticed the mention of "Undulating matrix", then the time of the session coincided with the filming of the first Matrix movie.

The next excerpt indicates more connections to the Canary Islands.
Q: (L) I have been working on putting the puzzle together and I have come to a lot of thoughts, and I have been reviewing the material and finding clues here and there, and I found this amazing sunken city in Wisconsin. Somehow I am wondering if this is what you meant when you mentioned treasures in Rhineland. It is not in Rhinelander, but it is not too far. I would like to know if this is part of the clue system since there was a huge link between this site and the Canary Islands. {Book referenced is Frank Joseph’s “Atlantis in Wisconsin.”}

A: Keep digging.
If the old glacier ice melted at the end of the last ice age, and Mars dropped its water, then there should be some sunken cities. This site has a mix of pictures from sunken cities both older and a few newer.

In the following session, there is mention of a UFO crash in San Augustin,
Q: And the third crash was the Plains of San Augustin crash that you have already given figures on, correct?

A: Yes.
San Augustin was mentioned in the last post in a quote from Session 21 June, 1997
A: And who was Saint Augustine/San Augustin... Augustus, Augustine Monks, etc?
See the comments in that post.

At the end of the following session, there is:
Q: Now, on two or three occasions you said I should be researching a modern-day connection between the Roswell event and the underground zones and the Canary Islands. What is the connection of the Roswell incident to the Canary Islands, other than the names? Are the Canaries a sort of headquarters?

A: Clue is that similar energies are employed.

The whole context is:
Q: Okay, let's get to the main subject. We have a serious problem here. In this series of sessions we had over a period of years about Roswell, on October 7, 1994, we were discussion Roswell, the question was asked about the number of bodies recovered by the government. The answer you gave was "three dead, one still in operation." Then, you said it was a "robotic, biogenetic being rather than a soul-encompassing physical existence."

On September 2, 1995, again we have a body count of 4, who were described as hybrids, and this was in relation to the alien autopsy video. So, we have four hybrids, composed of human and Grey Alien genetic combination.

On October 21, 1995, I was reciting the story from the alien autopsy video, and the camera man was quoted as having stated that there were four beings, and one was dead, and three were standing outside the craft crying and clutching boxes of some sort. I asked if this was accurate, and you said yes. So, in this case, which must also be the case of the four hybrids mentioned above, we have a count of four beings, with one dead, and three living.

Next: we talked about it further, and we asked about how many beings were in a particular crash, and you said 21. I asked how come the reports said that there were only four, and you said the reports were suppressed and fragmented because fewer individuals witnessed the interior of the craft.

So, now we have 17 more beings on the inside. However, on this occasion, what we were talking about was the fact that this was a mission to retrieve dead bodies for study. Five of the bodies inside were human, and two were bigfoot types. Before, you had said that the craft that crashed were on a "highly specialized mission" of reconnaissance and testing of environmental conditions of the area as a result of the nuclear testing that had taken place there. But this particular mission seems to have been otherwise. But, I know that one mission profile does not negate the other. Yet, it seems to be contradictory. But, the biggest contradiction we have seems to be where it states that there were four bodies. On the one occasion, three were dead and one was alive, then three were living, and one was dead, and now, suddenly, we have 21 and a whole different ballgame. Now, I understand that the way our questions are framed, and what awareness we have, are factors that can vary the response. But I have to deal with this because I am writing about it and there is confusion here.

A: There was more than one "crash in the vicinity" of Roswell, and at different times. The four body scenario refers to the incident most frequently cited.

Q: Now, when we say the "four body incident most frequently cited," how many were living?

A: Three dead, one living.

Q: So, what about the incident where there were three living and one dead?

A: Yes, in early June and approximately 100 miles further west of the Roswell area.

Q: So, in early June there were three living and one dead. And this is the one that the camera man was talking about?

A: Yes.

Q: And then there was an incident in July where there were three dead and one living, and that is the one that most of the Roswell witnesses are talking about?

A: One more.

Q: One more crash?

A: Yes.

Q: Okay, so there were two crashes at the same time?

A: Three.

Q: There were three in the July period?

A: June/July.

Q: Two in June, and one in July?

A: June 4th, July 1st, and July 4th.

Q: The one in June occurred 100 miles further west?

A: Yes.

Q: The July 1st, incident, where did that occur?

A: 67 miles southeast of White Sands.

Q: And the third crash was the Plains of San Augustin crash that you have already given figures on, correct?

A: Yes.

Q: Which one of these crashes had the 21 bodies?

A: Second. This explains the famous news release because the base was abuzz due to all these occurrences.

Q: It seems to me that if the base was already abuzz with these occurrences, they would already have had their cover organized and their stories straight! In such a case, the famous news release would never have happened.

A: No.

Q: Previously, I asked about this Kal Korff book, and essentially you said that my scenario about the different stories, the various witnesses, whoever is behind the cover-up is just feeding disinformation through all of these people. They are capitalizing on all kinds of witnesses and so forth that then get "exposed as frauds," are just part of the cover up. You said that this was correct. So, I said that "they are feeding disinformation through all of the so-called "Roswell Witnesses," and you said "close." I would like to know how close, and just how they are feeding disinformation through all of these witnesses. Obviously, these people believe what they are saying.

A: They do.

Q: They believe. Why do they believe?

A: They are telling what they remember, but it is soaked in twisting parallels.

Q: Are the people doing this themselves?

A: No. Event mixture.

Q: But they all seem to remember this July 4th crash, or so they say.

A: Yes.

Q: I don't get what you are saying here.

A: Events were intertwined.

Q: So, some may have witnessed different events?

A: Parts of...

Q: Have they also been tampered with in terms of abduction or having implanted memories or screen memories?

A: No.

Q: Have they, in any way, been exposed to something that was falsely staged by the government in order to make them think....

A: No.

Q: So, they are all sincere and honest witnesses, but they are witnesses to different events, and they all think that they are witnesses to the same event?

A: The so-called suspicious circumstances are merely a patchwork, cleverly used by those who wish to conceal.

Q: For example: did the fireman actually go to a crash site and witness what his daughter claims he witnessed?

A: Yes.

Q: Was it an alien craft crash site?

A: Yes.

Q: Did Jesse Marcel witness a crashed UFO?

A: Pieces of one.

Q: Did Glen Dennis really talk with a nurse who later disappeared?

A: Yes.

Q: How did this woman disappear? Kal Korff could find no record of her existence.

A: Transferred, discharged, records expunged.

Q: Is she dead, so that she doesn't know all the stories about her experience?

A: Yes.

Q: Did she die under suspicious circumstances?

A: No.

Q: Did the little balsa wood piece actually come from a toy company as Korff suggests?

A: No. Kal Korff was paid to mislead, but it is now moot as the military changed its story yet again after his book was published.

Q: One of the things that Kal Korff did was to dig into Jesse Marcel's background, and he claims that Marcel never had any of the background that he claimed, and that Jesse Marcel is basically a liar. He has the military records to back him up on this. Were Marcel's records altered?

A: Jesse Marcel never claimed to be a military pilot. He was an intelligence officer who held a private pilot's license

Q: That's not what Kal Korff says. He quotes Stanton Friedman, and William Moore and all those guys who wrote about Roswell, as quoting Marcel to have said he was a military pilot. Korff quotes from their books, and says they wrote these things and didn't check to find out that Jesse was a liar.

A: Jesse did not lie.

Q: Okay. Well. You also said "Roswell did involve evidence of non-human intelligence." Did this just mean basic information about the reality of alien visitation, or was there some other implied meaning here?

A: No implied meaning.

Q: Now, in this second crash where you said that there were two big foot types: were the big foot types also dead?

A: Yes.

Q: You also said that some of the beings went into 4th density, sort of, at the time of one of these crashes. What exactly DID happen?

A: It is complex, but suffice it to say that they re-transited to 4th density.

Q: You said that there were five dead humans inside that were retrieval and study specimens. Where did they get these bodies?

A: Mexico and South America.

Q: Now, on two or three occasions you said I should be researching a modern-day connection between the Roswell event and the underground zones and the Canary Islands. What is the connection of the Roswell incident to the Canary Islands, other than the names? Are the Canaries a sort of headquarters?

A: Clue is that similar energies are employed.
Finally, there is a more recent session that mentions there have been giants with two rows of teeth inhabiting the Canary Islands:
Q: (L) Okay. Do we have anymore cryptomundo questions?

(Joe) That's the end of crypto hour.

(L) What about those huge jars we were talking about earlier?

(Joe) Oh yeah! Who made the stone jars that litter the landscape in Laos? [See:

A: Race of hominids no longer extant.

Q: (Joe) What was the purpose of the jars?

A: Storage.

Q: (Artemis) Were they big people or normal sized?

A: Giants.

Q: (Andromeda) How did they transport them?

A: Technology. Think "Coral Castle".

Q: (Andromeda) Technological giants.

(Joe) Did they store grain in them to make beer?

(L) To make BEER?! [laughter]

(Andromeda) That was one of the theories.

A: Some.

Q: (Joe) They were big drinkers, I see... [laughter]

(L) So I guess we should just think about the fact that there's so much evidence of higher technologies, races of giants on the planet, I mean... It's also covered up. Look at that Smithsonian business. If I remember correctly, even within recorded history, there were giants discovered living on some - like Patagonia or something - that have died out. Of course, there's some evidence that there were some gigantic types still on the Canary Islands and in the Americas that had double rows of teeth.

(Joe) They found giant axes in various places too.

A: Indeed. The true history of your planet is little known. Refer to collections made by your Mr. Hancock.

Q: (L) I think that must mean Graham Hancock?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Yeah, he's a pretty good researcher as long as he doesn’t try to figure out esoteric things on his own.

(Pierre) In his last book, the second part is dedicated to giants in America.

(L) What's the title?

(Andromeda) 'Giants in America', I think.

(Niall) His most recent book is called 'America Before' or something. We have it upstairs.

(Pierre) He's documented that a lot. And the Mound people and...

(L) Okay. The 'Giants in America' or some such title, must be the other book I have. It has images of all the many articles about finds in America that were sent to the Smithsonian where they disappeared and then denials of their existence were made afterward. It’s obviously a huge coverup.

(Joe) Is it true that the really tall giants - like 13 or 15 feet - were they alive under the same gravitational conditions as we have today?

A: Not exactly. Conditions on your planet changed significantly at the time of the destruction of the Roman Empire. Giants from that time forward faced increasingly difficult conditions and survival became untenable.

Q: (L) So there were some still left in pockets, is that it?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) Those were the ones discovered by explorers after the Dark Ages.

(Chu) Did they have a language we might be familiar with if they lived that recently?

A: Yes

Q: (Chu) Which language?

A: Similar to Basque.

Q: (Andromeda) Like Atlantean.

(Scottie) I think 'hello' was, "Fee-fi-fo-fum"... [laughter]

(L) And their favorite thing to say was, "I smell the blood of an Englishman!"

(Joe) So, gravity was less, let's say, to make it easy for them to...

A: Yes. Also electrical charge of planet.

Q: (L) That reminds me of all the really peculiar electrical phenomena recorded in the ancient Greco-Roman records that seemed to sort of stop when records picked up again after the destruction of the ancient world. But, of course, there were periods when things were really weird even after that. So the people before the end of the Roman Empire were seeing a lot more of our plasma men than we would see nowadays?

A: Yes

Q: (Andromeda) But the giants lived alongside little people then?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) And was life easier for normal people then, as well?

A: Yes

Q: (L) It had probably been in decline beginning from even earlier periods...

A: Yes

Q: (L) So that was the last big change I guess, something like 540 AD.

(Joe) In the reports of explorers after the Roman Empire going and finding giants and stuff, if they fought with the giants it seems they were relatively easily defeated as they were big and slow.

(L) They probably weren't able to deal with the environmental conditions.

(Andromeda) Were they stupid?

A: Not at first.

Q: (L) But they became stupid as their health declined in the environmental changes?

A: Yes

Q: (Chu) They had to be pretty smart if they had the technology to move stones.

(L) Yeah, but that would have been earlier. Well, didn't the Denisovans have extremely large teeth? Were they connected in some way to the giants?

A: Yes. Connected but not identical.

Q: (Artemis) Is anybody here distantly related to a giant?

(Andromeda) [whispers] Scottie! [laughter]

(L) In other words, do any of us have any genetic leftovers from that?

A: No

Q: (Chu) Not even Beau?! [laughter]

A: No


Jedi Master
(Abats) What about the famous April Drop Dead date?

A: Coming!
They never told about this?

All I remmeber they told about it is "Wait and see" "No Dice" etc. they were always very hermetic in this topic and they said it eventually answer itself.


The Living Force
FOTCM Member
They never told about this?

All I remmeber they told about it is "Wait and see" "No Dice" etc. they were always very hermetic in this topic and they said it eventually answer itself.

@DreamGod ,

There is so much in these sessions to notice that it is no surprise you are now finding bits and pieces of a puzzle or dots to connect. I am still amazed every time I review the questions asked and the answers received. It is not so much as concealing information from us but the Cs are bound almost by the Star Trek Prime Directive. This is required to not violate our "free will". Of course if we "wait" long enough everything will "eventually answer itself". I hope you are having fun learning as you go.


From the Wiki there is an image of the Virgin of Candelaria:

Canary is reminiscent of Candelaria, but is there a connection?
If there was more than one sculpture, what happened to the others? There are many Black Madonnas, especially in Europe. Among them is the Virgin of Montserrat, near Barcelona in Northern Spain. The location is interesting and the Wiki mentions: "The mountain of Montserrat has been of religious significance since pre-Christian times, when the Romans built a temple to honor the Roman goddess Venus.[7]" Is the Virgin of Candelaria a reflection of an earlier tradition?
According to the book "Chronicles of Ura Linda" (Oera Linda Boek), there were three virgins: Freya (white), Finda (yellow) and Lida (black). Their descendants worshiped each of their mothers, and this was millennia before our modern patriarchal "father" cult.
I can assume that the time of Freya, Finda, Lida is the era of the late decline of the civilization of Atlantis. And then there was a cult of motherhood, in which women occupied the main place in society and they were worshiped.
It can be assumed that the "Black Madonna" is the cult of Lida, or a later cult of dark-skinned mothers.
I will immediately make a reservation that there is no trace of racism here (and cannot be!) This is just an extremely ancient tradition that was practically erased by the later monotheistic religions of the "fathers".

A: Connect the Rosicrucians to your favorite island by the "beech." Horticulturally, please, and family.

Q: Oak Island?

A: Yup! Then, connect the Pyrenees to the Canaries.
Wikipedia reports that:
In some Germanic languages, the name of the beech is the same as the word for "book": German. Buche - "beech", German. Buch - "book", Swedish. bok, Norwegian bok, date bog - "beech" and "book". This is due to the fact that the first runes were written on wooden sticks carved from beech, or beech bark.
In France, there are many local names for European beech: faon, faoug, fau, faug, faux, feux, fay, faye[4], fayard, fayaux, faye, fou, foug, foutey, foux, foyard[5]. In southeastern France, beech wood is called fayard (or foyard). There is an opinion that in the Middle Ages the Old French word fau turned into fr. fayard and it had another meaning: "fairy, kind lady"[6]. At the same time, the name of the Celtic goddess Freya means "lady" and is also associated with it. Frau. Freya was identified with Venus, was the goddess of love, but also the goddess of fertility[7]. Perhaps there is a connection between beech and female Celtic deities, which the Celts identified with trees.
In my opinion, this is a direct allusion to the book "Chronicles of Oera Linda" (Oera Linda Boek). It tells about the "children of Freya" and their homeland Atland. Atland was covered with forests (beech), but then sank. Then all the inhabitants were forced to migrate to more southern regions.
There was a recent forum thread about this book - The Codex Oera Linda : a fascinating interview with Catherine Austin and a amazing man #post-997315
As far as I understood from the book, Atland was the latest fragment of the very "civilized" Atlantis, about which Casey and other guys gave a lot of information.
But one must understand that the "children of Freya" from the time of Atland have already fairly "degraded", they have retained only small particles of the knowledge of the ancients.


Padawan Learner
I have been thinking for a while about the overpopulation idea that was brought up in this session:
Alejo) Is overpopulation a myth, or are we really overpopulated?

A: Overpopulated.

Q: (Alejo) By trying to depopulate, they'll generate the chaos that will cause catastrophe... is what Pierre is saying?

A: Yes

Q: (whitecoast) If 4D STS rely on people for food, wouldn't they want as large (and sick/diminished) a population as possible? Or is the depopulation agenda just about spreading mass misery on the heels of earth changes that may reduce the population sharply anyway?

(L) Well, well remember that a large part of 4D STS food is the energy of pain and suffering. That gives them a huge psychic boost and advantage. So, that right there is a feeding mechanism. But we realize of course that they don't need the numbers of people that we have on the Earth for their feeding purposes. I don't think it's quite that bad. We know there are a LOT of people missing, unexplained things... Look at this 411 business. But also remember that the C's pointed out at one point that they had a fallback diet of... what was it? Bovine serum extracted from cows or something so they didn't have to take so much from humans.

(Altair, Cosmos, Gawan) Are the PTB priming the public to expect earth changes and their effects?

A: Somewhat.

Q: (L) Just not the way they're really gonna happen...

(Altair, Cosmos, Gawan) If so, are they attempting to make it look like humans are doing it?

A: Yes
This particular concept has been discussed here by a few people. Then, while I was reading the Wave series I read this discussion regarding the population in the Milky Way galaxy:
Q: (RC) I thought that humans originated in Lyra and then a war broke out there and they ended up in Orion.

A: Lyra is not inhabited. There have been homes in all places, but some were/are transitory, and some are not. Pay attention to Orion! This is your ancestral home, and your eventual destination. Here is the absolutely accurate profile of Orion to follow: This is the most heavily populated region of your Milky Way galaxy! This is a region that extends across third and fourth density space for a distance as vast as the distance between your locator and it. There are 3,444 inhabited “worlds” in this region. Some are planets as you know them. Some are artificially constructed planetoids. Some are floating space barges. And some are “satellites.” There are primary homes, traveling stations and incubator laboratories all in second, third and fourth densities. There are overseer zones in fifth and sixth densities. Approximately one half is STO and one half is STS. Together, along with many other colonies, located elsewhere, this is called, in translation, Orion Federation. Orions created Grays in 5 varieties, as cybergenetic beings, and installed them on Zeta Reticuli 1, 2, 3, and 4, as well as on 2 planets orbiting Barnard’s Star. The Reptilians also inhabit 6 planets in the Orion region in fourth density, and are owned by the Orion STS as slaves, and, in some cases, pets!!! The name “Orion” is the actual native name, and was brought to earth directly. Study the legend of the “god” of Orion for parallels.
From this point of view, it does sound like we are heavily overpopulated. I wonder if this was the reason for answering 'yes' to the question "Are we really overpopulated?"


Jedi Master
A: Lyra is not inhabited. There have been homes in all places, but some were/are transitory, and some are not. Pay attention to Orion! This is your ancestral home, and your eventual destination. Here is the absolutely accurate profile of Orion to follow: This is the most heavily populated region of your Milky Way galaxy! This is a region that extends across third and fourth density space for a distance as vast as the distance between your locator and it. There are 3,444 inhabited “worlds” in this region. Some are planets as you know them. Some are artificially constructed planetoids. Some are floating space barges. And some are “satellites.” There are primary homes, traveling stations and incubator laboratories all in second, third and fourth densities. There are overseer zones in fifth and sixth densities. Approximately one half is STO and one half is STS. Together, along with many other colonies, located elsewhere, this is called, in translation, Orion Federation. Orions created Grays in 5 varieties, as cybergenetic beings, and installed them on Zeta Reticuli 1, 2, 3, and 4, as well as on 2 planets orbiting Barnard’s Star. The Reptilians also inhabit 6 planets in the Orion region in fourth density, and are owned by the Orion STS as slaves, and, in some cases, pets!!! The name “Orion” is the actual native name, and was brought to earth directly. Study the legend of the “god” of Orion for parallels.

Reading this again now has me curious, can our scientists and astronomers see any of these "worlds" or any of this action going on? I mean I know 99.9999999% of all space related "news" is just cgi and "artist illustration," but if the C's say this extends across 3D and 4D, is this something observable by those in the field? Talking about the mid level guys with the big telescopes, not amateur level, nor the level above professional which would be deep state et al. since I'm sure at that level they are already aware considering the transdensity bases they have access to.

Which also reminds me of perhaps the most mind-bending thing the C's have spoken to, which is that of D'Ankhiar. Always a blast thinking about that subject, no pun intended 😅

Q: (L) So, the star expanded and the mother planet was turned into a cinder. If this was the case, it means that it must have turned into a cinder very close to the point, using time loosely, when human beings were created?

A: You can't even use it loosely.

Q: (L) Would you help me out here. I'm trying to figure out why, if that planet was turned into a cinder, why were human beings seeded there... what was the point in being brought into being on a planet that was very shortly to become a cinder... a crispy critter...

A: Okay. Now: "Shocker" For you. It hasn't become a cinder yet.

Q: (L) Okay. What is it. You told us it was a cinder... burned up... what is the real story here?

A: It will be at the same "time" that you go to 4th density. The human race is currently being formed on D'Ahnkiar.

Q: (L) What do you mean that the human race is currently being formed on that planet? Is that because that planet is this planet?

A: No. That closes realm grand cycle.

Q: (L) Are you saying that there are human beings being created on that planet at this current time...

A: Yes, you are. Your race is forming there.

Q: (L) How?

A: Realm crossing understand?

Q: (L) Are you saying that there are 4th density bodies being formed there...

A: No. 3rd.

Q: (L) There are 3rd density bodies... are we going to leave the bodies we are in and go into other bodies?

A: You are drifting... Think carefully. Realm is derivative of reality. Cycle.

Q: (L) So the human race is being formed on this other planet at the present time...
(Sorry for the break here I am having difficulty selecting large text on my phone and getting it into quote box)
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And at the time of the realm border crossing, this other planet will then become cindered... burned up...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where will the human beings go that are being formed on that planet at the time of the realm border crossing?

A: Ancient earth.

Q: (L) They will go to ancient earth?

A: There is no time as you know it; its all just lessons for the collective consciousness.

Q: (L) So at the closing of this grand cycle everything will just start all over again?

A: Not exactly; you see, there is no start.

Q: (L) Are a lot of souls on the earth going to recycle into these new bodies coming onto the earth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) As ancient mankind?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And do the whole thing all over again?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in other words, a lot of people are going back to square one?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is this punishment.

A: No. Nature.

Q: (L) Are some of the souls, at that point, going to move into a higher density level?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Could you give us a percentage on this?

A: No. Open at this point.

Q: (L) Now, getting back to the planet, if at some point in the cycle, bodies were generated on this planet and brought to earth, who brought them?

A: Realm crossing.

Q: (L) It was not a who, it was a what, is that correct?

A: All is who and what.

Q: (L) Well, the other night you mentioned something about the Transient Passengers hauling these bodies off that planet and bringing them to earth, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, are these Transient Passengers Realms?

A: Yes. So are you.

Q: (L) Do you guys know what you are doing to the linear mind here?

A: Can of worms.

My best guess on this would be that at the start of the cycle, we were formed there, came here, did the whole cycle. But that also would mean that when the crossing happened, humans would have already been here, no? Basically, we experienced the event going in then, and now, we're to experience the same event but from the other side of the mirror as we exit.

Cycles and perspectives, which way are you looking through the glass sort of idea perhaps.
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