The Situation In Germany

[Mari]

In short, germans have just been duped, once again.

Reminds me of the quote from Laura:

…we are only stupid and blind exactly as long as we need to be stupid and blind, and not one second longer.

What this voting says is that the Germans are still doing too well, and more suffering is needed to break the spell so they don’t just simply flip back and forth between the 2 major parties like they (and the most of the Europe) is constantly doing but to actually make a change.

It is nice to see East Germany all in blue (except the Berlin ), so maybe what will happen is more resonating people moving to the East.

 

[Cosmos]

So, more of the same. Following the logic, there must be another elections in short period of time and then people will rise against the scam in sufficient numbers.

Yeah, that seems what could be happening: Another election relatively shortly because of the mess this government will continue. BUT never underestimate the complacency and conformism of many germans and the staggering amount of BS german governments/leaders can get away with: So, it could also be perfectly possible that they will/can drag this out for another full 4 years till the next official election!

 

[Aiming]

While I also suspect rigging going on I think, from what I‘ve been hearing from people, that the biggest factor is their programming believing it is „verboten“ to even consider voting for the AfD, as if it were an unspeakable thought crime.

So it seems to me that the German people indeed need to experience more suffering via things going increasingly downhill until they‘d become more open to receive even an inkling of what is actually transpiring in their country politically.

 

[Gawan]

It is nice to see East Germany all in blue (except the Berlin ), so maybe what will happen is more resonating people moving to the East.

That‘s the firewall, secretly they plan to build the wall again.

As Luc stated earlier it is the rich western states of Germany who are more persistent against alternatives and they still do too well, also when the car industry really suffers already and when the insolvency rate is on the peak of about 2009.

 

[Cosmos]

In terms of what Trump said about the results of this german election:

I think he is most likely ignorant and naive about what really just transpired.

At the same time it is notable that he basically emphasized the key points that probably most Germans wanted out of this election (such as, dealing with the migrant issue and coming back to common sense) and he expects the new government to fulfill those promises (good luck with that!). So, even if Trump said that just out of ignorance and instinct, he sort of creates pressure towards the new government to fulfill those basic promises and a possible exposure if they don’t.

On another note:

I can’t help to think that maybe Germany (followed by France and Britain) are the pawns of the global deepstate, which couldn’t, this time around, fully control America, so, they are now “switching back“ to getting their agendas through, by somewhat bypassing America for the time being, and continuing through the main powers in Europe. While one of the main targets/enemies seems to continue to be Russia and others.

 

[Olivierlejardinier]

Despite Trump's words Merz might have to swallow some bitter pill on Ukraine...
From main stream french media about him (note their views of Trump as "unpredictable and aggressive") :

A European in favor of aid to Ukraine

Before entering the national political arena, Friedrich Merz was elected to the European Parliament in 1989. The former MEP still holds largely pro-EU positions. He intends to "make the vision of a sovereign Europe a reality" with Emmanuel Macron. The Europhile also wants to restore Berlin's status as a leader among the Twenty-Seven, in the face of an unpredictable and aggressive Donald Trump on tariffs and peace negotiations between Kiev and Moscow. In particular, he promises to "restore Germany's full capacity to act in foreign, security and European policy".



Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky with CDU leader Friedrich Merz, February 15, 2025, Munich (Germany)

Will he suffer from the Zelinsky curse...??
To be clear many leaders who shook hands with Z lost their job.

 

[Cosmos]

As Luc stated earlier it is the rich western states of Germany who are more persistent against alternatives and they still do too well, also when the car industry really suffers already and when the insolvency rate is on the peak of about 2009.

Yes. And the, a bit more “poor“, eastern states of Germany, are officially much more AfD. That eastern part of Germany also pretty much coincidences with were east Germany was (DDR) and they also tend to be much more favorable towards Russia.

Even if we believe everything went without rigging, I would say that it is very clear that Germany as a whole (in the east the AfD, and in the west the CDU) has clearly chosen a conservative route and basic things like common sense.

BUT, at the same time, they continue to exclude probably about 50 percent of that conservative force/population by continuing to ignore the AfD and defame them as Nazis, while in reality, they will probably continue as the previous government.

There is also the possibility now that CDU/Merz will pretend to actually care and do what they promised (while maybe even making concrete stuff in that regard) in order to make the germans believe over the next 4 years that CDU/Merz is really good/honest and thereby decreasing the power of the AfD towards the next election.

 

[luc]

There is also the possibility now that CDU/Merz will pretend to actually care and do what they promised (while maybe even making concrete stuff in that regard) in order to make the germans believe over the next 4 years that CDU/Merz is really good/honest and thereby decreasing the power of the AfD towards the next election.

Yes, there will be some symbolic actions like deporting a few criminal asylum seekers etc. that don't change anything. There might be some symbolic attempts to lower energy prices, but without adressing the elephant in the room, Russian gas and renewable energy nonsense...

We have learned from Trump that even if Merz were a Trump figure (which of course he isn't), nothing would change, UNLESS someone goes full Cesar and ruthlessly dismantles the NGOs, all the entrenched Green-sympathizing bureaucrats, mass-deport asylum seekers, outlaw any renewable energy project while restoring NordStream and building nuclear power plants, etc. The only conceivable way this could even have a chance would be if the AfD got an absolute majority, and even then its current crop of leadership wouldn't be able to pull it off. Unless something dramatic happens and things change more suddenly than expected, downhill it goes for Germany.

 

[mkrnhr]

These elections appear to be a lost opportunity but sometimes, lessons are not learned until one reaches rock bottom. It doesn't matter whether Merz calls himself conservative or not (he is, in the sense that he conserves idiotic policies and the European world war tradition), Russophobia and Antisemitism (support for the genocide in Palestine) will remain or amplify. Davos and BlackRock policies will be implemented with a vengeance too. There is a sense of sunk cost fallacy (and demonic possession) has taken over the Europeist elites. There will be more censorship, more propaganda, and more oppression (The Stremer regime in the UK is just the beginning). In otehr words, bad news for Germans, but until they wake up from their pavlovian trance (tell an educated German "Hitler ate food" and he'll starve himself to death), nothing is to be resolved. The C's have warned about WWII being a prelude to what's to come, maybe we're getting there, starting in Europe.

 

[SOTTREADER]

I was about to say we have Starmer in the UK. He's not any better !

The European political system is more tightly controlled so no surprise outsiders really struggle. I was surprised Corbyn got as far as he did.

 

[Cosmos]

[…] What I find quite a bit hard to believe is the relatively low count for BSW, and yes, the quite sudden explosion of the numbers for “Linke“.

My bet is on some kind of rigging, but just so much that the current monsters in the government can continue just as before.

Looks like Wagenkecht (head of BSW) also has questions and considers challenging the results legally by recounting and such. They officially got 4,97%, so just 0,03% under 5%, which is the boundary in order to come into the Bundestag:

BSW's Sahra Wagenknecht mulls challenging German election results

The left-wing conservative BSW party fell just short of the 5% threshold to enter the Bundestag with a nail-biting share of 4.97% of the vote on Sunday.

www.euronews.com

As I said, I find especially the results of BSW hard to believe. That is the most obvious strange case IMO. Followed by “strange things“ like the sudden explosion of “Linke“ votes and the “pretty good result“ of the CDU and the probable slight undervaluation of the AfD results.

 

[axj]

Looks like Wagenkecht (head of BSW) also has questions and considers challenging the results legally by recounting and such. They officially got 4,97%, so just 0,03% under 5%, which is the boundary in order to come into the Bundestag:

This whole numbers game with the BSW is just weird. Not just the 0.03% missing - which by the way also decides whether the Greens will be in government or just CDU and SPD.

For some reason the Euronews article above makes "an honest mistake" of saying that the BSW needs 130,000 more votes, when in reality it is just 13,000.

And the official election website also has weirdness around the BSW. It is not in the list of the largest parties, instead some other party with 0.1% votes is in the list. And the BSW is also the only party whose results were displayed with three digits after the comma all through the election night, while all other parties only have one digit behind the comma displayed. It's like someone wanted to make sure that it is this close for some reason.

 

[Gawan]

Not even 24 hrs after the election or even the results, the CDU likes to fully support Ukraine, that Ukraine can win:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1894030027139764288

 

[bianca etezete]

Something I cannot get out of my mind: What if the "anti-migration" line merges with the "digital ID" line... and the role of AfD is to open the overton window for roll out digital IDs for migrants (which will sooner or later open the way to roll it out for everyone)?

 

[bianca etezete]

Not even 24 hrs after the election or even the results, the CDU likes to fully support Ukraine, that Ukraine can win:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1894030027139764288

and they drive the old narrative that the war began 3 years ago... Trump said something lately which was false but not so much false that it was a lie. He said something along the lines of "Selenski started the war" (which is false). This is somewhat funny, because actually KIEW started the war, the war against those areas like Donbass and so on, where the people are russians, and that was in 2014. Selenski came in office in 2019, saying pre election he will end this, while post election heating up the situation in those areas. and THAT was the reason russia went in (which was of course against international law).