The Vegetarian Myth

[iloveyoghurt]

We keep peeling away more and more layers and it just breaks my heart to see how wrong humanity has gone. It COULD have been different.

Could it have been different Laura? You allude to this occasionally but from what I have gathered, it's part of the cycle, and this density is always like this - it is the nature of third density, no? Isn't this like the last step before the sto and sts get separated kind of into camps of their own in 4d?

And what of "changing what is". I get confused about this a bit, as much as I want to change things, I've explored discussion on this forum that to change "what is" is a sts concept (which is fine I understand), and there might ought to be a different focus, or perspective to be taken while in the density.

I think I remember that, in 4d we still only kind of exist together, but, we are kind of in a form of separation too, of sorts.

That's how I have assessed it so far with what very little I've comparatively explored on this forum.

 

[Laura]

Could it have been different Laura? You allude to this occasionally but from what I have gathered, it's part of the cycle, and this density is always like this - it is the nature of third density, no? Isn't this like the last step before the sto and sts get separated kind of into camps of their own in 4d?

Have you read "The Vegetarian Myth"?

 

[iloveyoghurt]

No I haven't. I've just finished reading this thread.

I will be getting the book sometime soon, hopefully.

 

[Laura]

No I haven't. I've just finished reading this thread.

I will be getting the book sometime soon, hopefully.

I don't think I would put it off too long, it is THAT important.

 

[iloveyoghurt]

Yes, thanks for the push Laura, it's definitely noted.

I am reading as much online as possible until I can afford to purchase.

I have little money at the moment.

 

[mcb]

Strange that a book about the evils of vegetarianism and agriculture is so apocalyptic!

We keep peeling away more and more layers and it just breaks my heart to see how wrong humanity has gone. It COULD have been different.

Well, it's gone RIGHT for "somebody else." Seeing that makes all the difference.

I already had a good feeling for where we were headed, between your work, my own enquiries, the daily news, and the experience of growing up in an apocalyptic religious cult. Now, however, it makes sense, and the C's have presented the idea that learning is the important thing.

I guess I always enquired with the idea of learning enough to begin to change things, and the more I learned the more bad news I found (with regard to changing things). Not that change isn't possible, but I suppose I used to think more along the lines of "rescue." I am in a better mental state than I have been in a very long time, although I don't exactly look forward to what is upon us.

 

[Ollie]

Almost finished with this book. The horrors have left me dumbfounded.

Yes, it is as harrowing a book as "Controversy of Zion." And oddly enough, they are related and lend support to one another.

Knowing what is coming for humanity based simply on the science exposed in this book, makes a comet bombardment look rather attractive, does it not?

Finished reading this book on Sunday. What fascinating content, the whole history and interconnection of all on the planet in terms of food. The whole evil of agriculture (and I was raised in a farming family and community). Put's it all in a nutshell, and agree that it is as harrowing as Controversy of Zion - although with this book it was difficult to put down, whereas with Controversy of Zion it had to be put down to recover from the ongoing horror, to build up energy to be able to read more of it!

 

[SolarMother]

Yes, thanks for the push Laura, it's definitely noted.

I am reading as much online as possible until I can afford to purchase.

I have little money at the moment.

We are in the same position at the moment, but see if you can get the books through your local library. The only one they may have trouble getting is TASOLCL as it is new, but Laura put it up as a pdf download a few posts back.

 

[iloveyoghurt]

She did? I only saw Low Carb Living.

I'll take another look, but I was pretty sure.. could you maybe post again Laura?

Or if someone can say what reply number it is.

 

[Jacques]

She did? I only saw Low Carb Living.

I'll take another look, but I was pretty sure.. could you maybe post again Laura?

Or if someone can say what reply number it is.

TASOLCL is for "The Art and Science of Low Carb Living" which is what you saw. ;)

 

[Aliana]

Yes, thanks for the push Laura, it's definitely noted.

I am reading as much online as possible until I can afford to purchase.

I have little money at the moment.

We are in the same position at the moment, but see if you can get the books through your local library. The only one they may have trouble getting is TASOLCL as it is new, but Laura put it up as a pdf download a few posts back.

It is available on the Kindle for less than $10 if that helps. You can also order books through interlibrary loan - on some things it takes a few weeks, but if that is the only way, its good to get it on the ILL list ASAP. I got tired of waiting, so ordered it and am about one-third of the way through. I now see why it is so important to read to fully understand the ramifications of agriculture and to make a conscious choice to not support this. It is difficult and heartbreaking to read, and yes really wish things could have been different.

I am so impressed by Lierre Keith's research, her attention to detail as well as the way she begins her personal story, so you understand and respect what it took for her to make such a radical change in her viewpoint and to have the courage to write this book.

 

[iloveyoghurt]

"it is so important to read to fully understand the ramifications of agriculture and to make a conscious choice to not support this"

Yes, this seems to be the bottom line, and what is important. I have been researching the subject as much as possible, as a substitute for actually purchasing the book at this stage, and as such, I am receiving a very clear picture of the ramifications of agriculture. Of course I am coincidingly acting in my personal life as to not support the agriculture movement/philosophy/conspiracy.

Cooked a pork last night! Huge for me, after being vegetarian for 10 years. Big turn around here, both philosophically, and dietarily

 

[Nienna]

"it is so important to read to fully understand the ramifications of agriculture and to make a conscious choice to not support this"

Yes, this seems to be the bottom line, and what is important. I have been researching the subject as much as possible, as a substitute for actually purchasing the book at this stage, and as such, I am receiving a very clear picture of the ramifications of agriculture. Of course I am coincidingly acting in my personal life as to not support the agriculture movement/philosophy/conspiracy.

Cooked a pork last night! Huge for me, after being vegetarian for 10 years. Big turn around here, both philosophically, and dietarily

This is very good news, iloveyoghurt! Onwards and upwards!

 

[iloveyoghurt]

Thanks Nienna!

Have begun the Vegetarian Myth today. I'm on page 20 only but, already it is compelling, as I knew it would be going by her interviews. She's sharp, hard hitting, and with no frills. I appreciate this as my time needs to be used efficiently.

This paragraph has definitely alerted me, and I would like to bring it to the attention for anyone who has any type of anxiety or depression:

From The Vegetarian Myth Pg 19
"Then there was the depression and the Anxiety. I come from a long and venerable line of depressive alcoholics, so clearly I didn't inherit the best mental health genetics. Malnutrition was the last thing I needed. Veganism wasn't the only cause of my depression, but it was a big contribution factor. Years went by when the world was made of a pointless grey weight, endlessly the same, punctuated only by occasional panic. I would routinely dissolve into helplessness. If I couldn't find my house keys, I would find myself in a heap on the living room floor, immobilized on the edge of The Void. How could go on? Why would I want to? The keys were lost and so was I, the world, the cosmos. Everything collapsed, empty, meaningless, almost repulsive. I know it wasn't rational, but I couldn't stop until it had run it's course. And now I know why. Serotonin is made from the amino acid tryptophan. And there are no good plant sources of tryptophan. On top of that, all the tryptophan in the world wont do you any good without saturated fat, which is necessary to make your neurotransmitters actually transmit. All those years of emotional collapse weren't personal failing; they were bio-chemical, if self-inflicted."

i think of my friend who is a vegan. He has recently gone into intensive (4hrs a week) therapy, whereby antidepressions have been prescribed, along with cognitive therapy. I wonder what kind of extra psychic and biological strain therapy and medication (of all sorts) does to the person, by pushing for something when the actual machine is not functioning in a capable manner to achieve this something. I would imagine it would be very wearing on the machine, the psyche, and the soul, as well as only exacerbate the initial problem, creating a downward spiraling cycle.

Why would the medical/psychology system not seek to outrule biological/chemical anomalies first, prior to prescribing any type of therapy. Such an obvious redflag about the system and it's true intentions.

 

[Gaby]

Thanks Nienna!

Have begun the Vegetarian Myth today. I'm on page 20 only but, already it is compelling, as I knew it would be going by her interviews. She's sharp, hard hitting, and with no frills.

It is simply one of the best books I've ever read. She synthesizes so much material in such a compelling and good written way. Not a light subject, but she uses enough emergency humor which makes it much better. She also explains everything in a very easy way.