Mountain Crown
The Living Force
I agree.
It really is amazing and a must read.
The Vegetarian Myth
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I agree.
It really is amazing and a must read.
Zadius Sky
The Living Force
Count Morona said:
While I haven't read the book yet, it's on my list. But I just noticed on Amazon that this book received bad reviews (especially from vegan reviewers). Maybe you guys, those who have read it, write up good reviews on this book on there to draw it away from being a terrible book?
I am in the process of reading the book. What a shock! Indeed one learns a lot (every paragraph is a revelatory on one aspect or another of nature's functioning), but more than that, there is a realisation that nothing can be done, as if the humanity put itself in a no-return trap, and the only and only logical issue is destruction.
The author writes in a very pleasant style and presents the ideas simply and clearly. There is no escape from facts, only the extremist denial. Anyway, i'm around half of the book and it had strong emotional impact together with the dense and well explained revelations. A rude but essential reading.
The author writes in a very pleasant style and presents the ideas simply and clearly. There is no escape from facts, only the extremist denial. Anyway, i'm around half of the book and it had strong emotional impact together with the dense and well explained revelations. A rude but essential reading.
Adaryn
The Living Force
I'm at about page 65 and yeah, what a shock. It's utterly heartbreaking to realize the amount of ongoing destruction of this planet and beings living on it since the advent of agriculture, and realize what could have been. It could have been so much different. This book is even more shattering than CofZ.
Zadius Sky
The Living Force
Psyche said:
Just voted you up and down those vegans. :P
Mountain Crown
The Living Force
Myrddin Awyr said:
Me too. Didn't have the time to get at all the vegans, but many of them!
iloveyoghurt
Jedi
I'm up to about page 50 in the book. The author has just detailed the destructive cycles to the environment - including animal species - that agriculture is responsible for. She makes the point that despite the promulgation against murder and destruction vegetarianism/veganism is, in actual fact, hugely aggressive, violent, and ultimately destructive, and that it is indeed murder, and to almost every species at that.
Comparatively to a meat eating system then where the killing is direct and obvious, agriculture's killing and destruction to the environment is otherwise indirect and subversive.
I have noticed in my time that within subcultures of vegetarian groups there has be a sublimation of the - what I will call - aggressive/assertive principle. In my experience, the more I've seen these people try to "peace out", the more passive-aggressive and underhanded and subversive the aggressive/assertion principle has become. Applying both to individuals and the group as an organism. I found it fun to draw a parallel between the indirect and more subversive aggression of agriculture and vegetarian/veganism on the environment, and the indirect and more subversive aggression of vegetarian/vegan "types".
It put a whole new level on the term "you are what you eat" for me :)
Comparatively to a meat eating system then where the killing is direct and obvious, agriculture's killing and destruction to the environment is otherwise indirect and subversive.
I have noticed in my time that within subcultures of vegetarian groups there has be a sublimation of the - what I will call - aggressive/assertive principle. In my experience, the more I've seen these people try to "peace out", the more passive-aggressive and underhanded and subversive the aggressive/assertion principle has become. Applying both to individuals and the group as an organism. I found it fun to draw a parallel between the indirect and more subversive aggression of agriculture and vegetarian/veganism on the environment, and the indirect and more subversive aggression of vegetarian/vegan "types".
It put a whole new level on the term "you are what you eat" for me :)
thevenusian
Dagobah Resident
I'm about 1/3 of the way into the book, and can be counted among the shocked as well. I agree it is important to read. It is a shocking step back into a wider view and the picture is not a pretty one.
It is very disturbing to realize just how far from balance with the world around us we humans have come.
It is very disturbing to realize just how far from balance with the world around us we humans have come.
iloveyoghurt
Jedi
I was only half joking really. But, following that logic, now that I am eating meat I have noticed I feel less "passive". I won't say I'm feeling aggressive exactly, but just that I am feeling less passive.
I remember when first becoming a vegetarian I enjoyed a new feeling of passivity, I interpreted it as peaceful - and it was because I wasn't eating death. I see a new perspective now: I see this perception is based on biased judgement whereby increased passivity was assessed as better. My thoughts now are that the focus is more appropriately directed on the objective principles of what is nutritionally necessary. How we find ourselves after making informed choices based in this, is essentially of a neutral quality - it is what it is, whether we find ourselves more "passive" or "aggressive", the horse might ought to be placed before the cart.
Unless of course it is possible to influence our physicality via our ideals and mental disciplines as some folks reckon we can
I wonder now if that feeling of passivity was in actuality the onset of brain damage ;)
I remember when first becoming a vegetarian I enjoyed a new feeling of passivity, I interpreted it as peaceful - and it was because I wasn't eating death. I see a new perspective now: I see this perception is based on biased judgement whereby increased passivity was assessed as better. My thoughts now are that the focus is more appropriately directed on the objective principles of what is nutritionally necessary. How we find ourselves after making informed choices based in this, is essentially of a neutral quality - it is what it is, whether we find ourselves more "passive" or "aggressive", the horse might ought to be placed before the cart.
Unless of course it is possible to influence our physicality via our ideals and mental disciplines as some folks reckon we can
I wonder now if that feeling of passivity was in actuality the onset of brain damage ;)
iloveyoghurt
Jedi
Hi Anart,
The brain damage comment was serious! I can only casually wonder how much damage I might've done at this stage, the answers might be too disturbing to deal with just yet.
I am watching with great interest for any noticable changes from the diet adjustment (roast lamb tonight). You say your brain is working heaps faster afte a year? Wow, so even after a year you notice the changes still. Must be quite remarkable. How fascinating.
The brain damage comment was serious! I can only casually wonder how much damage I might've done at this stage, the answers might be too disturbing to deal with just yet.
I am watching with great interest for any noticable changes from the diet adjustment (roast lamb tonight). You say your brain is working heaps faster afte a year? Wow, so even after a year you notice the changes still. Must be quite remarkable. How fascinating.
Guardian
The Cosmic Force
This may qualify as "Magical Thinking" ...since basically it is, but I was always taught to put some of my meat out for the wild meat eaters. I throw a piece of raw bacon off the back porch into the woods, or maybe a chicken wing, whatever I'm about to cook. In the old days, when a hunter made a kill, there were always "leftovers" for the little wild critters when the kill was dressed out. In nature, the big predators help feed the smaller predators. We've taken ourselves out of that circle with grocery stores, refrigerators, etc. and it takes a conscious effort to put ourselves back into the natural cycle of things...if you're so inclined.
