The Vegetarian Myth

Guardian said:
Psyche said:
All the vegans' reviews are on the top and liked by over a thousand people. Those people are blind, I bet most of them didn't even read the book. Yeah, we should all go there and "unlike" their reviews and vote up ours!
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So far:

5 star: (66)
4 star: (12)
3 star: (14)
2 star: (8)
1 star: (33)

http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Food-Justice-Sustainability/product-reviews/1604860804/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
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look at this amazon review
_http://www.amazon.com/review/R3M4LC3USB5H3S/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R3M4LC3USB5H3S. simply tailored for debunking the book. This review comes as top most 1 star and Simply looks like review from cointelpro( paid Job) entire intention of debunking the book. Look at his claimed credentials and how he makes blanket statements to debunk . 1265 people find this debunking useful.

How easy it is sway the people. (:
 
Sean Cruxton had Keith as a guest on his internet talk show back in 2009. I'm listening to it right now and it's a great interview.

_http://www.blogtalkradio.com/undergroundwellness/2009/10/08/the-vegetarian-myth-with-lierre-keith

I've been listening to his podcasts ever since it was mentioned on the forum that he had T.S. Wiley on as a guest. It's worth looking through his past shows - lots of stuff on the paleolithic diet and related material.
 
I was a vegetarian as well until recently and mainly due to information that sites like yours has provided.
However, to listen to all this bunk about the "woundedness" of vegetarians as their motives to stop eating meat is a bit much.
Ethics is at the basis of a decision to give up meat because our meat system (including a lot of "naturally raised meat") is a horror story as is the slaughter process. Because many of you don't appear to have a dot of empathy for the plight of these animals as seen by your inane analysis of vegetarian motives, and this is something you should think about as developing your empathy is after all one of the goals of this 3D existence isn't it.
I hope all you people are not buying supermarket and restaurant meats as you are ingesting the horror of the lives of these animals and harming yourselves energetically, not to mention every other bit of horror in what they feed and give them. You need to find out information about the meat supplier and their policies as well. It takes work to be an ethical eater, whether it is meat or any other product. Some of you people here as just as bad as the vegans in your black and white assessments of things.
 
kestrel9 said:
I was a vegetarian as well until recently and mainly due to information that sites like yours has provided.
However, to listen to all this bunk about the "woundedness" of vegetarians as their motives to stop eating meat is a bit much.
Ethics is at the basis of a decision to give up meat because our meat system (including a lot of "naturally raised meat") is a horror story as is the slaughter process. Because many of you don't appear to have a dot of empathy for the plight of these animals as seen by your inane analysis of vegetarian motives, and this is something you should think about as developing your empathy is after all one of the goals of this 3D existence isn't it.
I hope all you people are not buying supermarket and restaurant meats as you are ingesting the horror of the lives of these animals and harming yourselves energetically, not to mention every other bit of horror in what they feed and give them. You need to find out information about the meat supplier and their policies as well. It takes work to be an ethical eater, whether it is meat or any other product. Some of you people here as just as bad as the vegans in your black and white assessments of things.
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Hi kestrel9,

Glad you have decided to make some adjustments on your diet, how is it going?
Regarding your concerns on ethics and empathy towards animals, have you had a chance to read the Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith, it deepens with logic and wisdom these issues wich may go unnoticed while in a strong emotional investment an identification with a cause. So maybe you can read it and then see if your concerns are still there.

We also encourage all new members to write an intro post, not necessary to give much details, you can see some examples here:
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Welcome!
 
Reaching the 1/2 way mark, it's starting to kick-in quite a bit now.

A break is needed. I anticipate where I'm going to be left at the end of this: when the truth is unveiled it's sometimes overwhelming, it can feel like being on some nightmare carousel ride in a ghostly amusement park, unable to stop the thing and feeling giddy, all the while the mad clown operator is laughing wildly from the side as he winds the crank faster. It's definitely a rich read.

Once the names begin dropping on which companies own what, it's quicksand.

Hi kestrel9 :)
 
I finished 'The Vegetarian Myth' and have to say it gave a new perspective on the terror of the situation. Didn't have the trapped and have to escape feeling I had in the past when reading and absorbing other material. I just am resigned that it looks like the earth is going to fall apart in my lifetime even without a catastrophic event. The author doesn't go into so many topics like police state that is lurking when the problems start and it is just sad to think how little people know about what is possible down the road. I feel like I've aged a lot mentally over the past few years from reading and this book shocked me to rethink a lot. Like what am I doing with my diet and development in other areas.

Haven't started the diet, but I'm planning on starting by the end of the month. Figure I'll read 'Life without Bread' and the other book mentioned before jumping all the way in. Thanks everyone for your comments. I learned a lot just from reading the thread. I'm going to catch up on the 'Life without Bread' thread next.
 
The book - The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living - has arrived. :rockon:

Now to catch up!
 
Having nearly completed this fantastic book, I decided to head over to Amazon to post a very positive review,etc. as part of the agreement in receiving the copy I am reading.

Unfortunately, and only after registering, it seems that one cannot post a review until that 'account' has purchased an item/items. :huh:

'Borrowing' an account should present a solution. Apologies.

Laura said:
The condition is that you write a review for the author on amazon and buy a copy as soon as you are able.
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Phew, finally caught up with one of these threads! :lol:

I've never been a vegetarian or a vegan. I'm about an eighth into TVM, and it is already one of the best books I've read. Will be finishing it as soon as possible, so I can move onto LWB and TAASOLCL!
 
I finished the Vegetarian Myth a few days ago. Passionate, evidence well presented. I hadn't realized how devastating agriculture has been to humans and the planet. 7 billion lives dependent on the continuing of a vicious fraud.

Was agriculture a simple mistake? Catastrophes of that magnitude are never accidental. The author doesn't express any knowledge of psychopathy. But agriculture began about the same time as evidence show that psychopaths appeared on the planet.

Very compelling. We are meat eaters, we need animal protein and fat. Our bodies and our world are ravaged by grains.

The book really brought the issue in to clear focus for me.

Mac
 
seek10 said:
Guardian said:
Psyche said:
All the vegans' reviews are on the top and liked by over a thousand people. Those people are blind, I bet most of them didn't even read the book. Yeah, we should all go there and "unlike" their reviews and vote up ours!
Click to expand...

So far:

5 star: (66)
4 star: (12)
3 star: (14)
2 star: (8)
1 star: (33)

http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Food-Justice-Sustainability/product-reviews/1604860804/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
Click to expand...

look at this amazon review
_http://www.amazon.com/review/R3M4LC3USB5H3S/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R3M4LC3USB5H3S. simply tailored for debunking the book. This review comes as top most 1 star and Simply looks like review from cointelpro( paid Job) entire intention of debunking the book. Look at his claimed credentials and how he makes blanket statements to debunk . 1265 people find this debunking useful.

How easy it is sway the people. (:
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Yeah, you can lead a sleepwalker anywhere ;D
 
Mac said:
I finished the Vegetarian Myth a few days ago. Passionate, evidence well presented. I hadn't realized how devastating agriculture has been to humans and the planet. 7 billion lives dependent on the continuing of a vicious fraud.

Was agriculture a simple mistake? Catastrophes of that magnitude are never accidental. The author doesn't express any knowledge of psychopathy. But agriculture began about the same time as evidence show that psychopaths appeared on the planet.

Very compelling. We are meat eaters, we need animal protein and fat. Our bodies and our world are ravaged by grains.

The book really brought the issue in to clear focus for me.

Mac
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Yes, definitely psychopaths that were out to make themselves rich and powerful, or so I think. But I can't help thinking that these psychopaths were getting nudged in the right direction by 4D STS forces. It's been said that the introduction of agriculture made for the need of armed forces to protect that which those in control were storing for their people. That introduced wars, which are very profitable, not only for the psychopaths that make money off of that kind of thing, but for 4D STS's feeding frenzies. Maybe the 4D STSers have a sweet tooth, and all of those carbs floating around in the body are mmmmm-mmmmm good. :P
 
I imagine population swelled rather quickly after agriculture. So, if I were looking for ways of increasing a slave population or growing a bipedal food supply, convincing humans to adopt agriculture certainly would have done the job. Postulating "who benefits" reveals more than just a plan of psychopaths. I find it hard to believe a psychopath, in the time when we were hunter/gatherers, would have envisioned the end result over time of mass profits, devastation of the environment, and control of all humans. Perhaps I'm being naïve though. But it makes more sense that 4D STS used psychopaths to execute their plan.

Gonzo
 
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