The Vegetarian Myth

[Tigersoap]

All those years of emotional collapse weren't personal failing; they were bio-chemical, if self-inflicted .

I was never a vegan but I can recognize myself into this passage, quoted from her book.
I've known depression for a long time and since I've started to eat meat again I haven't been into such pits of darkness, I can still have lows but it is nothing compared to what I was sometimes going through.
That's pretty ironic to me that by thinking that I was doing good for my body and the animals I was actually speeding up a process of decay and death.

 

[Mr.Anderson]

I just got the Vegetarian Myth and Life without Bread from the library. I was a veg for too long and as an athlete, ate tons of carbs. I even tried to be a vegan but fortunately that lasted about one day. It is taking me a long time to get over the cravings. I have been off carbs almost completely for about a month. I'm thinking it's going to take me another 4-6weeks.

 

[mcb]

One thing I especially appreciated about The Vegetarian Myth is how she drew on so many other published sources for her information. I had already read some of them and I am shocked now at how much information I had absorbed without ever connecting all the dots. (In retrospect, I do remember being "overwhelmed" with some of the information at first exposure and some of it may just not have sunk in.)

I think one major reason why I wasn't "connecting" was that I grew up under the influence of an apocalyptic religious cult that was always warning about the end of present civilization and was getting at least part of its facts right. What the cult was unable to foresee was the (then) coming green revolution, as noted in TVM, that substantially delayed the end scene as predicted. They also did not understand the roots of the problem either in terms of agriculture itself or of hyperdimensional influences, though they might have had a very limited appreciation of the latter.

Seeing all this play out in my lifetime seems to have deadened my thinking to certain things. I have seen dire warnings of agricultural and financial crisis again and again and again. I try to remember that even though none of the predicted scenarios played out, we still live in unstable times. Over the decades, though, I learned to tune more and more of it out. I think this is part of our programming.

The Vegetarian Myth provided me with a strong enough shock to shake off some of that programming. Now I wonder what else I may have grown numb to.

 

[SolarMother]

Thanks Nienna!

Have begun the Vegetarian Myth today. I'm on page 20 only but, already it is compelling, as I knew it would be going by her interviews. She's sharp, hard hitting, and with no frills.

It is simply one of the best books I've ever read. She synthesizes so much material in such a compelling and good written way. Not a light subject, but she uses enough emergency humor which makes it much better. She also explains everything in a very easy way.

I agree. I started the book yesterday and am blown away by the material. I am also enjoying her writing style--it's definitely a page turner! Shed some tears as well. Very heavy stuff.

 

[thorbiorn]

Reading The Vegetarian Myth I began to think about road-kills or car-killed game, which occur when game gets run over and killed by vehicles. Dead the game is either ignored and allowed to rotten or removed and disposed by the local emergencyservice. Is it right to just dispose it as rubbish? Sure there are cases where the game is totally messed up with dirt and difficult to clean up but at other times this is not the case. If the damage has been done why throw the meat away unless it happened on a highway where one is not allowed to stop?

Therefore I began to consider investigating this area next time I had a chance which came only 24 hours later. I was about to turn left but a truck was coming in the opposite direction so rather than stopping and waiting I changed my mind and decided for a different route now continuing straight on. Just over the next hill I saw a road-kill on the side. It looked like a hare. I stopped the car and walked back to take a closer look. Yes it was a hare, the head had been run over and one hinterleg was broken. The body was still not stiff and the blood not completely coagulated. It looked promising. I put it into a plastic bag and put it in the car. When I came home I skinned it as best I could think of. It still looked alright and I opened up and cleaned out the bowels putting the heart, liver and kidneys aside. As I had finished a visitor rang the door, a man with hunting experience. I showed him the hare and he said it looked fine. Nest day I cooked the organmeat which was great and today the rest of it in a generous amount of lard. It tastes fine and there is meat for four persons. I have been wondering about the age but it seems to be a fairly young animal which of course makes the meat better. This time I was very lucky with the game I found, it is probably rare that a situation like this will come up, but if it does why not take advantage?

 

[mcb]

Reading The Vegetarian Myth I began to think about road-kills or car-killed game, which occur when game gets run over and killed by vehicles. Dead the game is either ignored and allowed to rotten or removed and disposed by the local emergencyservice. Is it right to just dispose it as rubbish?

You remind me of two friends that liked to talk about the Road Kill Cafe. (_http://www.powderpatchandball.com/roadkill.pdf)

I am going to stay with meat from the store, since I live in a densely populated area where the only road kill casualties are squirrels, family pets, and the occasional human.

 

[theos]

One thing I especially appreciated about The Vegetarian Myth is how she drew on so many other published sources for her information. I had already read some of them and I am shocked now at how much information I had absorbed without ever connecting all the dots. (In retrospect, I do remember being "overwhelmed" with some of the information at first exposure and some of it may just not have sunk in.)

I think one major reason why I wasn't "connecting" was that I grew up under the influence of an apocalyptic religious cult that was always warning about the end of present civilization and was getting at least part of its facts right. What the cult was unable to foresee was the (then) coming green revolution, as noted in TVM, that substantially delayed the end scene as predicted. They also did not understand the roots of the problem either in terms of agriculture itself or of hyperdimensional influences, though they might have had a very limited appreciation of the latter.

Seeing all this play out in my lifetime seems to have deadened my thinking to certain things. I have seen dire warnings of agricultural and financial crisis again and again and again. I try to remember that even though none of the predicted scenarios played out, we still live in unstable times. Over the decades, though, I learned to tune more and more of it out. I think this is part of our programming.

The Vegetarian Myth provided me with a strong enough shock to shake off some of that programming. Now I wonder what else I may have grown numb to.

In my state in the US (and I'm sure in other states as well) you can call up the State Highway Patrol and put yourself on the roadkill list. If they see a freshly hit deer on the side of the road they'll call you and you can go pick it up if you like it. I put myself on the list last year but I never got a call. That's probably a good thing cause it would sure would be hard to pick up a dead deer. I'd rather just hunt.

 

[Gimpy]

This may qualify as "Magical Thinking" ...since basically it is, but I was always taught to put some of my meat out for the wild meat eaters. I throw a piece of raw bacon off the back porch into the woods, or maybe a chicken wing, whatever I'm about to cook. In the old days, when a hunter made a kill, there were always "leftovers" for the little wild critters when the kill was dressed out. In nature, the big predators help feed the smaller predators. We've taken ourselves out of that circle with grocery stores, refrigerators, etc. and it takes a conscious effort to put ourselves back into the natural cycle of things...if you're so inclined.

Actually, its basic respect. In the book the author discusses raising pigeons that she has to kill and put back into the ground to build up her soils, offering up food in that way is just part of the same thing, osit.

 

[Guardian]

You remind me of two friends that liked to talk about the Road Kill Cafe.

I've eaten at "The Road Kill Cafe" ...more than once. It's in the mountains of Pennsylvania, and has great food. My favorite dish was "Thumper on a Bumper" It's right down the road from a place where I was physically attacked by a man named Orren Widdon. The owners of the real "Road Kill Cafe" are WONDERFUL people, and also have rental cabins, where I stayed when I had to go to court against Widdon, again, and again. The guy who owns the place took special security precautions when I stayed there because he knew what had happened. They REALLY looked out for me when I was there, and even dog sat for me once.

I still have one of their T-shirts "You kill it, and we grill it, at the Road Kill Cafe"

 

[Guardian]

While I haven't read the book yet, it's on my list. But I just noticed on Amazon that this book received bad reviews (especially from vegan reviewers). Maybe you guys, those who have read it, write up good reviews on this book on there to draw it away from being a terrible book?

Thanks for the heads up, done and done, including voting on all 14 pages. I think this is a REALLY worthy effort, if we all gave 5 star reviews, it might really make a difference with someone who's just browsing the topic.

I voted up the 5 star reviews, voted down the 1, 2, 3 star, and did nothing on the 4 stars.

 

[Guardian]

All the vegans' reviews are on the top and liked by over a thousand people. Those people are blind, I bet most of them didn't even read the book. Yeah, we should all go there and "unlike" their reviews and vote up ours!

So far:

5 star: (66)
4 star: (12)
3 star: (14)
2 star: (8)
1 star: (33)

http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Food-Justice-Sustainability/product-reviews/1604860804/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

 

[seek10]

I am in the process of reading the book. What a shock! Indeed one learns a lot (every paragraph is a revelatory on one aspect or another of nature's functioning), but more than that, there is a realisation that nothing can be done, as if the humanity put itself in a no-return trap, and the only and only logical issue is destruction.
The author writes in a very pleasant style and presents the ideas simply and clearly. There is no escape from facts, only the extremist denial. Anyway, i'm around half of the book and it had strong emotional impact together with the dense and well explained revelations. A rude but essential reading.

I read this book. This is a amazing book. Connection to the modern agriculture to the War machine and male dominance is stunning and very clear. Her passionate activist style, direct to the point makes this book very informative and interesting. Her 20yrs of suffering gives LOT of weight to the points she is presenting.
Similar to the trap the new age did to the 60's uprising and Vegan'ism (and vegetarianism )under the guise of the protecting the animals literally sealed the fate of these brave activists of those time. Also, This gives another meaning to why new age and Indian (so called) philosophy along with guru's and food habits were promoted so vehemently to the west.

Her vegetarian Myth busting is COMPLETE, literally from all angles - environmental /nutritional/moral . No wonder Vegans are go crazy with this Book.

 

[Guardian]

Actually, its basic respect. In the book the author discusses raising pigeons that she has to kill and put back into the ground to build up her soils, offering up food in that way is just part of the same thing, osit.

Yeah, it's a little thing, but sometimes all we can do are little things....and they do add up if enough folks do them. I put out more food in the winter than I do the rest of the year....and I always chuck it a goodly distance from the house. Some people think I'm crazy to do it, I get "You'll attract wild animals" all the time. Well DUH...that would be the point.

 

[Josi]

While I haven't read the book yet, it's on my list. But I just noticed on Amazon that this book received bad reviews (especially from vegan reviewers). Maybe you guys, those who have read it, write up good reviews on this book on there to draw it away from being a terrible book?

Thanks for the heads up, done and done, including voting on all 14 pages. I think this is a REALLY worthy effort, if we all gave 5 star reviews, it might really make a difference with someone who's just browsing the topic.

I voted up the 5 star reviews, voted down the 1, 2, 3 star, and did nothing on the 4 stars.

I wrote my review and voted up or down other reviews. Maybe we shouldn't all write a review too soon however. It will look odd if there is suddenly a bunch of reviews all at once - stagger them a bit perhaps( just a thought).

 

[Meager1]

In my state in the US (and I'm sure in other states as well) you can call up the State Highway Patrol and put yourself on the roadkill list. If they see a freshly hit deer on the side of the road they'll call you and you can go pick it up if you like it. I put myself on the list last year but I never got a call. That's probably a good thing cause it would sure would be hard to pick up a dead deer. I'd rather just hunt.

Here the game wardens will keep the deer for themselves, if it`s edible.

They claim that they donate it to the prisons and the elderly homes, but I have always doubted that is the case.

I would be extremely cautious about road kill, unless you are the killer yourself and you know the actual circumstance of the kill and the conditions involved.

Two weeks ago it was on the news here that a trash truck stopped and the driver got out to get someones trash on the highway, but before he could get it into the truck a "beautiful looking" Grey Fox ran out of the woods and attacked him.

Luckily he was wearing elbow length rubber gloves and that prevented the animal from actually breaking skin. The driver was able to get into the truck by kicking and fighting off this fox and then called the police who contacted the game warden. The animal stayed at the truck viciously biting the tires and acting insane. So of course the animal was put down, but you have to wonder how it got infected and how many other animals it mayb have infected in the meantime.

Usually healthy animals don`t hang out on the highway, so you need to know if this was a simple crossing attempt gone bad,or if this was a rabid animal already at the insane stage looking for something to attack like that fox. I have had road kill deer meat, it was full of blood clots from blunt trauma and the stress it underwent before being put down caused the meat to taste very off.