Vincent Bridges, Jay Weidner and Gang - Web Pathology

[Laura]

COINTELPRO History - Jay Weidner + Vincent Bridges do Nostradamus

I found this blurb which, obviously, must have been taken from the History Channel's promotional material:

In 1994, Italian journalist Enza Massa was at the Italian National Library in Rome when she stumbled upon an unusual find. It was a manuscript dating to 1629, titled: Nostradamus Vatinicia Code. Michel de Notredame, the author's name, was on the inside in indelible ink. The book contains cryptic and bizarre images along with over eighty watercolor paintings by the master visionary himself. Follow the investigative trail of how the manuscript was found in the archives and exactly how it got there. New insight is given into the life of Nostradamus and his relationship with Pope Urban VIII, who knew about this manuscript and in whose possession it was for many years.

Here's another:

"Italian journalist Enza Massa stumbles across a mysterious manuscript dating to 1629 attributed to the prophet Nostradamus and containing illustrations of his predictions. Examining a mysterious book that some believe may be lost text by Michel Nostradamus, the 16th-century French astrologer and physician who many think predicted major world events. Includes the life of Nostradamus and interpretations of the book."

Another bit of info:

Produced by 1080 Entertainment. Executive producers, Ken Ashe, Kreg Lauterbach cq; supervising producer, Betty Buckley; producer, Sarah Hollister; director, Lauterbach; writer, Hollister.

With: Pascal Cabrilier.
Narrator: James Lurie.

Here's the review from Variety:

Lost Book of Nostradamus

By BRIAN LOWRY

All right, let's take it as a given that the History Channel wants to shed its stodgy old image, but even so, it's hard to justify overblown nonsense like this thumbsucker, devoting two hours to a book of dubious provenance that might be linked to the 16th century alleged prophet. Filled with extremely earnest "experts" of peculiar pedigree (including a psychic and the Nostradamus Society of America's president), this sort of portentous baloney suggests the television apocalypse can't come soon enough.

Born in 1503, Nostradamus has long held fascination for those drawn to such blather by his seemingly prescient writings about events that occurred hundreds of years after his death. This latest spec focuses on a picture book that, if you look really hard, predicts towers on fire (the World Trade Center!), the Pope fighting a bear (the Cold War!) and -- get ready for it -- the precise window when the World Will End, give or take five years. (Here's a hint: If you have an IRA that matures in 2013, you might consider cashing it in right now and heading to Aruba.)

"Lost Book of Nostradamus" would be bad enough if it just gave a platform to psychic Ellie Crystal or Nostradamus enthusiasts Victor Baines and Jay Weidner, who approach the topic with straight-faced zeal. Worse, though, the narration perpetuates the idiocy, with narrator James Lurie at one point saying, "It does appear that the bad news is coming more rapidly, more intently, than ever before." Oh really? This would come as news to the millions who died during WWII, who, admittedly, didn't have three 24-hour cable news channels (or for that matter, the History Channel) capturing each moment with "news alert" urgency.

So is the antichrist among us? Are the hands of the apocalypse clock winding down? Will anybody stay with this spaced-out production against Sunday football and "Desperate Housewives," even if it is a couple of nights before Halloween?

Unsettled times are often bountiful to peddlers of such material, preying on the most gullible among us, desperate for answers to the big mysteries. Yet while I wouldn't pretend to possess a crystal ball, gazing into the near future emboldens me to prophesize that anybody who isn't a Nostradamus nut going in should be irritated or bored out of his mind by "Lost Book of Nostradamus."

I bet Vinnie is devastated that he wasn't mentioned by name here.

Next, searching on the name of the intrepid journalist who supposedly made this rare find, we find a wikipedia article (not a surprise!):

Vaticinia Nostradami
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Nostradamus Vaticinia)

The Vaticinia Michaelis Nostradami de Futuri Christi Vicarii ad Cesarem Filium (prophecies of Michel Nostradamus on the Future Vicars of Christ (Popes) to Cesar his son), in short, Vaticinia Nostradami, (Prophesies of Nostradamus) is a collection of eighty watercolor images compiled as an illustrated codex. It was discovered in 1982 by the Italian journalists Enza Massa and Roberto Pinotti [1]in the Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Roma (Central National Library) in Rome, Italy. The document can be found in the library under the title, "Fondo Vittorio Emanuele 307".

Origins

A library card, filled out by Carthusian [2] fathers, that was attached to the manuscript states that the images belonged to the French seer Nostradamus[3] (1503-1566). This card indicates that the codex was brought to Rome by Nostradamus' son César de Nostredame in order to be donated to cardinal Maffeo Barberini, who would later become Pope Urban VIII (1623-1644).

[edit] Style

The images are similar to several manuscripts of the 11th and 12th centuries, and seem to have been inspired by the prophecies of the Blessed Joachin of Fiore [4], a Cistercian monk from Calabria. Basing his predictions upon the The Revelation of St. John, da Fiore indicated that the Apocalypse was to begin in the year 1260.

It has been claimed [1] that these drawings, which contain symbolic objects, letters, animals, crossings of banners, bugles, crosses, candles, etc., seeming to form figures similar to Roman numerals, or veiled references to last names, represent the succession of the Roman Popes.

For example, Saint Pope Pius X (born Giuseppe Sarto) is depicted as a pontiff on a throne with a cloth held by angels in the background. As sarto is the Italian word for "tailor," the cloth is a visual pun on his surname. Likewise, Pope Pius VI (born Barnaba Chiaramonti), who was held captive in France by Napoleon and his revolutionaries, is drawn as a Pope in monkish vestments with a rose in one fist and a scythe in the other. A letter "B" is drawn in the nearby soil, with a clear view of mountains in the background (chiaramonti means "clear mountains").

The images may contain prophesies spanning a period of 400 years, beginning with the first decades of 17th century, and ending in the first decades of the 21st century. Some drawings seem to be references to historical events that affected the development of the papacy, such as the first, which indicates the approval of the rule of Saint Francis of Sales.

There are images which have been linked to the French Revolution, to the conflicts between France and Spain for the control of the Vatican, and to the interval between World Wars I and II (the coat of arms of Pope Pius XI, Achille Ratti, is clearly depicted).

A Pope is attacked

The 10th tableau of the codex shows an imposing pontiff holding a pastoral sceptre with an image of Mary, behind his shoulders a pike-alabarde, being attacked by a soldier with a scimitar in his hand. This drawing reminds supporters of the events of 13 May 1981, when the Turk Mehmet Ali Ağca fired a pistol at Pope John Paul II, hitting him in the abdomen. It should also be noted that the scimitar was a popular Turkish weapon at the time. John Paul II's coat of arms contained the "M" of Mary, with the Latin motto "Totus Tuus" ("All for You").

[edit] 9/11, Kabbalah, Black Pope

There also seem to be references to the Second Vatican Council, the war in Bosnia in 1994-1999, and, in a picture of a stubby tower wrapped in anthropomorphic flames, possibly a prophecy of the attack on the New York World Trade Center in 2001.

Another image appears to show a kabbalistic [5] proceeding: seated in front of a shield of a rione (a section of Rome) is a man with a very long beard, covering a book with a sheet with spaced holes, possibly representing the use of an inequal letter jump-extraction similar to those of the Kabbalah. For author Cesare Ramotti, Nostradamus' Kabbalah corresponds to the extraction sequence of 1-5-5-5, a code similar to that used by Jewish scholars in extracting "hidden meanings" from the Torah. See Bible code.

Some images are extremely mysterious and may be linked to Nostradamus' quatrains. For example, one image shows one of the two unicorns, another an eel with a human head rising out of a lake. It is possible that this may be the horrible poisson (horrible fish) of Nostradamus' quatrain, III.21 [2], which Nostradamus predicted would appear in the Adriatic Sea, and which inspired the film La dolce vita by Federico Fellini.

[edit] The third secret of Our Lady of Fatima?

The last image represents the escape from a fortified city of a dark- or black-skinned high Bishop (The Black Pope?) and his court, while all around them we see the slaughter of clergymen of many races. This image has been hypothetically connected to the revealed third of the Three Secrets of Fatima.

[edit] Probable source: Marston MS 225

A work similar to this is Marston MS 225 [6], which can be found in the manuscript and rare-book library of Yale University, in New Haven, Connecticut, USA. This manuscript comes from the German areas of Bavaria and Bohemia, probably from within the courts of emperor Frederick III and Maximilian I. It has been proposed that this document may have had an impact among the various sovereigns of the Holy Roman Empire.

References

* Baschera, R. and Cheynet E., Il Grande Libro Delle Profezie, (MEB) 1995
* Boscolo Renuccio, Nostradamus, l'Enigma Risolto (Mondadori), 1988
* Vlaicu, Ionescu and de Brosses, Marie-Therese, Nostradamus Aveva Ragione, (Corbaccio)
* Grundmann, Herbert, Gioacchino da Fiore. Vita e Opere (Viella) 1997
* Lemesurier, Peter. The Nostradamus Encyclopedia ISBN 0-312-19994-5
* Leoni, Edgar, Nostradamus and his Prophecies, (1961, r.2000) ISBN 0-486-41468-X
* de la Mare, A.C., Lyell Catalogue, p. 88.
* Patrian, Carlo, Le Profezie, (Mediterranee), 1978
* Ramotti, O. Cesare, Le Chiavi di Nostradamus, (Mediterranee) 1987
* Ramotti, O. Cesare, Nostradamus: The Code That Unlocks the Secrets of the Master Prophet, ISBN 0-89281-915-4
* Reeves, M., The Influence of Prophecy in the Later Middle Ages: A

Study in Joachimism (Oxford, 1969) pp. 312 (n. 1), 324, 405, 523.

* Reeves, M., Some Popular Prophecies from the Fourteenth to the Seventeenth Centuries, Studies in Church History 8 (1971) p. 119.
* Ruzo, Daniel, El Testamento Autentico de Nostradamus ISBN 970-05-0770-X

Notes

1. ^ Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Roma, sezione manoscritti antichi. Registro di consultazione manoscritto V.E. 307.
2. ^ Vaticinia Michaelis Nostredami de Futuri Christi Vicarii ad Cesarem Filium (Fondo Vittorio Emmanuele 307)
3. ^ Lemesurier, Peter. The Nostradamus Encyclopedia.
4. ^ Grundmann, Herbert. Gioacchino da Fiore. Vita e Opere..
5. ^ Patrian, Carlo (1978). Le Profezie. Edizioni Mediterranee.
6. ^ Reeves, M., Some Popular Prophecies from the Fourteenth to the Seventeenth Centuries

I'm not too sure about how the wikipedia history thing works, but it looks like the page was created on 30 December 2005 by Giancarlo Rossi. Somebody who is more familiar with wikipedia can do some tracking there. The guy seems to be a kabbalist and the article is written as though everything stated is a fact. But then, wikipedia isn't known for being objective. Looks to me like someone was "laying the groundwork."

On google news search of the name of the journalist, I found the following three entries, the earliest being Oct 18, 2007. Gee, if this thing was discovered in 1982 or 1994 (depending on who you believe), you would think there would have been some news about it:

SPIRIT OF NOSTRADAMUS AND PROPHESIES ALIVE
New York Post, NY - Oct 26, 2007
The 16th century book, which was discovered at the National Library in Rome by journalist Enza Massa, is filled with extraordinarily gorgeous, ...

A portrait of the prophet as a young man
Mail Tribune, OR - Oct 28, 2007
The program, which airs at 6 tonight, will report that Italian journalist Enza Massa "stumbled upon" a 1629 manuscript titled: "Nostradamus Vatinicia Code" ...

TV program notes -- week of Oct. 28
Catholic Online, CA - Oct 18, 2007
In 1994, Italian journalist Enza Massa stumbled upon an unusual find in its stacks: a mysterious 1629 manuscript at the Italian National Library in Rome: ...

 

[anart]

COINTELPRO History - Jay Weidner + Vincent Bridges do Nostradamus

Just to interject my personal reaction to seeing part of this (sorry for digressing a bit) - - - omg - I'm sorry, but I turned my television to the History Channel after reading Shar's post - and was actually catching glimpses
of these two last night - and it was hilarious!!

First of all - everything they said since I turned it on is totally funded and directed by US/Israel intelligence - they have
named Osama bin Laden as the anti-christ - - and keep showing 9/11 footage.

Again apologies if this is old news, but I've not seen this before and it is almost what I would categorize as 'camp' - pure B.S.

Jay is OLD - I only mention this because from his writings on the amazon thread, I figured he was young - with the illogical phrasing and aggressive verbiage, I figured this was some kid with no control over his thoughts - turns out it's a really unattractive gray haired man with no control over his thoughts. LOLOL

Bridges looks like a cast off extra from one of the Harry Potter movies - some graduate of Slitherin House - LOLOL - what's with the cheesy goatee and the spectacles worn on the end of the nose?

Thank you Shar for the alert, because watching these two is truly, truly funny.

It's also, as far as I'm concerned, more proof positive that these two trained monkeys are working for the government - they're explaining how Nostradamus' quatrains describe Osama the terrorist as the anti-christ, for god's sake.

Honestly, I haven't watched anything this full of horse hockey since college when I'd watch soap operas - too funny.

One thing that's painfully obvious is that neither Jay nor Vincent are taking very good care of themselves - they both look like hell. Too funny - television .....

 

[Petey of Lone Tree]

COINTELPRO History - Jay Weidner + Vincent Bridges do Nostradamus

From a post at The Dark Wraith Forums
_http://dark-wraith.com/index.php?blogid=1&catid=10
entitled "Clueville Calling on Wiki Line One":

From past articles and comments I have made regarding Wikipedia comes the following sample:

From "Blogging the Code"
I have to bring up [Wikipedia founder] Jimmy Wales, not by name but rather by his Wikipedia site, at least several times every semester when I counsel (actually, when I roar at) students who are under the misimpression that they can use Wikipedia as a legitimate citation in a college-level term paper.

In comments on my article "Mahjongg Associated with Epileptic Seizures in Older Men":
To say I don't much care for Wikipedia is somewhat akin to saying I don't much care for dog sandwiches.

And in response to the question, "What would you pay for google access?" posed to me in a comment thread at BlondeSense, my response, in part:
What would I pay for a subscription to Google search engine services?

I'd pay the same as I would for access to Wikipedia.

Zero.

Nada.

Zilch.

Nothing.

They can kiss the wallet in my ass pocket.

Zip.

Goose egg...

Big-O.

Empty circle.

My account balance...

Zero.

Yes, I already said "Zero" at the beginning, but I wanted to find closure by coming around full circle.

The Dark Wraith sometimes gives hints regarding his true feelings about nefarious Internet parasites.

So, what could possibly make me such an ardent detractor of a helpful cyberpop icon of knowledge as Wikipedia has come to be? Could it possibly be the fact that such a huge site with such dense content has no apparent source of ad revenue that could be paying for server space and all the apparent money the founder seems to be making? Could it possibly be that there is no standing independent academic certification of that content? Could it be that even your own dog could be contributing and/or editing content the hordes of Internet factoid mavens quote as God's Word? Could it be the long-standing, unsubstantiated rumors of what kind of people and other entities are actually behind the "non-profit" Wikimedia Foundation that supports Wikipedia?

Or could it be that I am nothing but an out-of-touch Luddite who can't stand the fact that knowledge has finally merged with information, which has coälesced with data to offer the ultimate one-stop stairwell to Final Jeopardy and your very own degree at Online-University.com? That is to say, my long-standing, vocal disdain for Wikipedia could be nothing more than evidence of my own unjustified, inappropriate, pre-Information Age judgmentalism, tainting as it does the credibility of pretty much everything else I assess.

Indeed. For readers' consideration on whether or not my judgment of Wikipedia is worthy, I herewith submit the link to an August 14, 2007, article in Wired News. The title says it all: "See Who's Editing Wikipedia — Diebold, the CIA, a Campaign." Read the article. Decide for yourselves whether the fast-track escalator to the Wisdom of the Ages is going anywhere near the hoped-for destination at Quik-'n-EZ Knowledge Central.

Democracy in politics is wondrous: people like George W. Bush can win the popular vote. Democracy in information content is just as wondrous: that dog of yours might be one of the more reliable editors at Wikipedia. In both cases, however, the result is likely to be the same as the service provided by a house of ill repute: the mendaciously desperate doing the unhygienically unseemly to the impenitently detached.


The Dark Wraith must also, and in conclusion, point out that any word beginning with "wiki" is an abomination hated by God.

 

[Lan8r]

COINTELPRO History - Jay Weidner + Vincent Bridges do Nostradamus

I am still scratching my head over the fact that they devoted 2 hours to a show based on a book of pictures that they THINK, BUT HAVE NO PROOF, were drawn by Nostradamus.

Why a man who was gifted in the written word suddenly felt the urge to prophesy in pictures is beyond me. Oh yes, as one of the specialists mentioned, he prophesied that we would be too stupid at this time to understand his writing and knew he would have to draw us a picture.

I did watch the whole show out of curiosity, but found it hard to listen to these people who in their infinite wisdom were presenting this discovery as fact. My personal opinion is that it is a fraud.

I also caught part of the show previous to the 'Lost Book', 500 years later (or something like that). I thought it hysterical that this Vincent Bridges character, with his pointy gray beard, long hair in a pony tail, and his 'spectacles' at his nose, who often seemed to speak as if he were Nostradamus, looked strikingly similar to the actor portraying Nostradamus. Could he possibly think that he is Nostradamus re-incarnated?

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Jay Weidner - Plagiarist

I think the Right Man is a good word for pathological egotism, but it is useless as a diagnostic category. For example, the right man may be a frontal or paranoid characteropath, a schizoid, or a psychopath, frontal characteropathy being the most egotistical. At the most, it can be used to identify the presence of pathology. Perhaps the specific ways in which it manifests can hint at the underlying cause. For example a frontal characteropath will probably respond with rage, a paranoid with "defensive" verbal attacks, and schizoids with "holier-than-though" contempt.

 

[Laura]

Jay Weidner - Plagiarist

I think the Right Man is a good word for pathological egotism, but it is useless as a diagnostic category. For example, the right man may be a frontal or paranoid characteropath, a schizoid, or a psychopath, frontal characteropathy being the most egotistical. At the most, it can be used to identify the presence of pathology. Perhaps the specific ways in which it manifests can hint at the underlying cause. For example a frontal characteropath will probably respond with rage, a paranoid with "defensive" verbal attacks, and schizoids with "holier-than-though" contempt.

Agreed. It's interesting because it describes a cluster of behaviors, but it is not robust enough to use diagnostically.

 

[Saman]

Jay Weidner - Plagiarist

Andy, Anders whatever is totally shameless. Most people would be embarrassed to stoop to the lows that he has.

Pathological deviants are not capable of feeling shame.

What this incident has revealed, I think, is that the 140 some pages of GLP rants that he tootles are pretty much written by him with his 50 or so alternate personalities (both inside his head and on the board.) There is not, and never has been, any "group of ex-cass cult followers" saying or doing all the nonsense he claims - it's just Andrew Rowland and Vincent Bridges. Bridges was removed for lying and manipulating and Andy was removed from the group for rudeness to the group members. He also had a serious drug and alcohol problem. We were willing to work with the latter issues if he had made sincere efforts, but the fact is, his brain was so fried that he simply couldn't.
[...]

Oh my, I've just become aware of what is going on now. For what it's worth, I wholeheartedly agree. I mean their brains are so fried that they have become nothing but remorseless plagiaristic robots. I think they can't even read anything properly because they only see what their brains have been imprinted to "see" and they don't even for starters have the potential to SEE otherwise; they are "tools" that have their "strings" neurologically and chemically pulled by their pernicious masters "above", and I think this Anders character even admits it indirectly himself in his writing. It's like they are chemically charged like "energizer bunnies" in order for them to relentlessly continue their psychotically remorseless madness of trying "break your will to continue." They WILL fail because I think Darkness cannot exist without Light, and I think you and others out there standing up for the Truth represent the Light in this world of Darkness - kind of like the white dot in the black section of the yin-yang symbol, so to speak.

 

[PopHistorian]

COINTELPRO History - Jay Weidner + Vincent Bridges do Nostradamus

Well, several did not think it was drawn by Nostradamus, but rather by someone else, and that the brief text parts dated from different times.

They did keep bringing up the theme of a grand, predestined battle between the Islamic world and the West (it definitely gave the impression that it was either not instigated by any particular person or group OR that it was this Osama Antichrist -- just about anything BUT deliberate instigation by the USA or greater PTB). They also noted repeatedly that the Catholic church would be wrecked (turned upon) along the way.

I thought it most interesting that the really big destruction was pegged for 2012, by fire, including meteors, and VB said it was a 13,000-year cycle of devastation. Oh, and both VB and JW were dead certain that these bad times were-a-coming, and that came off, to me, as the bottom-line message. Hmmm, predestined fire from the sky amid a predestined war between East and West.

 

[dantem]

COINTELPRO History - Jay Weidner + Vincent Bridges do Nostradamus

Ramotti, O. Cesare, Le Chiavi di Nostradamus, (Mediterranee) 1987
* Ramotti, O. Cesare, Nostradamus: The Code That Unlocks the Secrets of the Master Prophet, ISBN 0-89281-915-4

This guy seems to intersect someway at the time of the manuscript's discovery, it's quite an odd character ad some info about him can be found here:

_http://www.ramotti.it/biograin.htm

How can it be that this new Cesar, the namesake of the son to whom
Nostradamus dedicated his Centuries, has been provided with "Le
Thresor", Nostradamus’ secret treasure, mentioned on several occasions
by the seer?

It’s impossible to explain how, just after the mid-August feast of 1983,
he read a Nostradamus quartain (X, 29) in a book lend to him by a
colleague, Ivana Rametta, which talked about a Pope coming from Poland
(POL), who would go to TARBE (the main town of Lourdes) to pray in a
cave, while in those very days newspapers reported the visit of John
Paul to Tarbe and to Lourdes. Pulled up by his hair, the agnostic
rationalist Cesar soon discovered that the quartains about the Pope were
set in a strictly sinusoidal order, and that all the other quartains
could be linked together in the same way.

Seemingly fortuitous was the idea, suggested to him in 1992 by his
friend Gianni Posella of Rome, to get to the root of the inscription on
the Turin stone, which enabled him to discover the decipherment formula,
availing himself of the assistance of a computer provided with an
electronic dictionary specially worked out for this purpose.

Furthermore, it’s impossible to explain how a drawing from the
Manuscript on the Popes bequeathed by the first Cesar Nostradamus to a
Roman library in the XVII century and published quite by chance by the
journalist Enza Massa in the "Giornale dei Misteri" has so compelled the
eye of Ottavio Cesare that he had to get to the root of the matter in
1994. Egged on in this by another friend, Giancarlo Rossi Fedele, he
found something that no Nostradamus scholar had ever suspected, i.e. the
original drawings of the great clairvoyant, meant for Urban VIII.

Jung explained in 1952 that the synchronistic connections are not
fortuitous, but on the contrary unfortuitous, i.e. subject to a law of
cause and effect which does not belong in our dimension but in another
one in which time passes in another way, i.e. does not pass, whereas
what passes could be space...

This dimension is now within our reach owing to the formulae passed on
to us by Nostradamus.

Ahem...

I thought for a moment that E. Massa and R. Pinotti might have 'stolen' Ramotti's research about the subject, as Ramotti died on 2001 and he may have given credibility to the manuscript itself for their own gain. Don't know if it's the case here, could be anyway in the case they supported each others in a probable fake... But what I found interesting is the surprising bio of this Italian Nostradamus' scholar:

Ottavio Cesare Ramotti was born in Trieste on the 21th of June 1929, from a branch of the noble family of Von Ramroth (Romrott in the XVI century) from Hesse, scattered in the ex Austro-Hungarian Empire during the tumultuous events of the past centuries.

Having completed his studies, he worked in the postwar period at the local civil police of the Allied Military Government, and then at the Italian National Police when Trieste was returned to Italy.

Following the first data processing experiments on the machines available in 1957, he was transferred to Rome, where he became one of the pioneers of the current Interforce database software.

As an analyst-programmator, he implemented a practical system of questioning in real time, extended to the national network, with international connections.

Discharged in 1989, he was awarded the title of " Cavaliere al merito della Repubblica ".

Just suspicious, isn't it?

 

[Youngfox]

COINTELPRO History - Jay Weidner + Vincent Bridges do Nostradamus

Jay is OLD - I only mention this because from his writings on the amazon thread, I figured he was young - with the illogical phrasing and aggressive verbiage, I figured this was some kid with no control over his thoughts - turns out it's a really unattractive gray haired man with no control over his thoughts. LOLOL

Bridges looks like a cast off extra from one of the Harry Potter movies - some graduate of Slitherin House - LOLOL - what's with the cheesy goatee and the spectacles worn on the end of the nose?

This sort of superficial niggling reminded me of the genius on the “gob like productions” forum who wrote “Laura is fat”.

It comes off as petty and adds nothing to the discourse.
I’m sure that many on this forum look nothing like you might suspect based on their contributions.
Mind you having read some of what Mr. B. and Mr. W. have written online I always suspected they looked like Jack-o-Lanterns that sat on the porch until December.

I am sorry Anart but such superficial judgement seems somewhat beneath you.

As to the topic, the “History Channel” is almost always more sleep aid programming.

 

[anart]

COINTELPRO History - Jay Weidner + Vincent Bridges do Nostradamus

I am sorry Anart but such superficial judgement seems somewhat beneath you.

As to the topic, the “History Channel” is almost always more sleep aid programming.

I'm sorry that my observations offended you, Youngfox, however, I stand by them, not only because I was being honest about my impressions, but because I truly did find it quite funny. Rather like hearing all this growling and slathering and nashing of teeth behind a curtain for years and years, only to find a little, old chihuahua behind the curtain when it's pulled back.

I had never seen either of these individuals before, though I have read volumes of their usually hate-filled material, so upon seeing them, I truly thought it was hilarious and wanted to share that impression. Just because my statements made you uncomfortable does not mean they aren't true.

 

[Youngfox]

COINTELPRO History - Jay Weidner + Vincent Bridges do Nostradamus

“Offended” is a bit extreme, I was just disappointed to see comments degenerate into disparaging descriptive of superficial personal appearances.

Sorry to drift the thread. Usually your comments are rich with meaty substance and that minor digression seemed unlike you.

I hope you took no offence because none was intended. Please do rock on!
(end thread drift)

 

[ark]

COINTELPRO History - Jay Weidner + Vincent Bridges do Nostradamus

“Usually your comments are rich with meaty substance and that minor digression seemed unlike you.

While I am trying to make my comments rich with meaty substance, it happens, once in a while, that I miss the mark.
It is by missing the mark that we learn. It is by missing the mark that we progress. And when we are having just a lttle bit of a fun - that is necessary to survive the attacks of psychos - these "illogical acts" may be essential to remain logical - when the logic is needed.

I am often telling our dog, Sebastian, when he is barking for not a good reason "Why are you barking? It's our neighbor! Just relax!." And, with his little brain, he understands -; But I am also not surprised that he barks. He is doing his job, which is to protect us.

 

[Laura]

COINTELPRO History - Jay Weidner + Vincent Bridges do Nostradamus

First of all - everything they said since I turned it on is totally funded and directed by US/Israel intelligence - they have named Osama bin Laden as the anti-christ - lol - and keep showing 9/11 footage.

Well, we used to think it was high probability that Weidner and Bridges were COINTELPRO, now they have moved into the "almost certainly COINTELPRO" circle.

 

[dantem]

COINTELPRO History - Jay Weidner + Vincent Bridges do Nostradamus

So... apparently Enza Massa was into an ufo circle called "Gruppo Nuova Luce" (New Light Group) and writing on the "Giornale dei Misteri", a journal founded on 1971 and edited somewhere near Florence (in Siena, maybe), dealing with mysteries and ufo's and available in very few libraries (just 6) around Italy. Not so much about her on the www, almost nothing to say the last.

She discovered the manuscript on 1982 together with ufologist Roberto Pinotti, and -perhaps- eventually taken into Pinotti's urge to find a scoop. Enza at this point may be either dead or just being into something else, as it seems there's no trace about her from that date on. In 1994, Ottavio Cesare Ramotti, inspired by the findings, began writing some books about a new very complicated way to read Nostradamus' quatrains and pictures, but no one really knows if those 80 images found on the manuscript are really his own and allegedly pope Urban VIII's connection was made by Ramotti himself here...

A similar manuscript lies at Yale University, coming perhaps from Bavaria. Mmm, at this point one can even speculate that Nostradamus, or someone 'like him' following something very fashionable at the time, was selling prophecies around to earn a living and that's pretty sad.

Then Ramotti dies on 2001 and Enza is nowhere to be found. Later on, our dear J. Weidner, perhaps manipulating the whole BBC's video crew put all that stuff together and comes up with a great idea, a documentary about Nostradamus (!), and shifting dates here and there to refresh a bit the whole banana.