Was Julius Caesar the real Jesus Christ?

[Meager1]

This is another interesting old book if anyone wants to have a look.


https://archive.org/stream/worshipaugustus00margoog#page/n4/mode/2up

 

[Laura]

This is another interesting old book if anyone wants to have a look.


https://archive.org/stream/worshipaugustus00margoog#page/n4/mode/2up

Definitely interesting looking and it is cited in one of the books next on my list to read:

The Divinization of Caesar and Augustus: Precedents, Consequences, Implications by Michael Koortbojian

http://www.amazon.com/Divinization-Caesar-Augustus-Consequences-Implications/dp/0521192153/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1389527582&sr=1-5&keywords=The+worship+of+augustus+caesar

 

[Anthony]

There is a book I've been planning to check out dealing with deification.
Perhaps it might be worth something.

http://www.amazon.com/Doctrine-Deification-Patristic-Tradition-Christian-ebook/dp/B005NKK6BA/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1389530588&sr=1-1&keywords=deification+in+greek

One review:

I initially bought this book as I was curious about the differences between Eastern & Western traditions, particularly with the notion of theosis --the deification of man. This book goes far deeper, and covers pre-Christian practices (like Stoic thoughts, the deifications of Kings, Roman Emperors, that of private citizens who committed symbolic acts --such as Antinous, Hadrian's obsession, who drowned to "save" mankind and other sotirologies).
The book was initially Russell's doctoral thesis, which, as far as I can guess from the dates, had to have been completed when he was in late middle age. But he made it very readable, free of the theophilosophical jargon of similar texts. He still has quotes in the original language and it is a true piece of scholarship.

 

[davros of skaro]

Just posting some reorganized notes.

Playlist "Jesus was Julius Caesar" that is not Sheitgeist, or Joseph Atwill related.

Keep in mind that the Greek Ptolemy I created the God "Serapis" to unify conquered Egypt.

At the very least please give a quick glance at the Channel Art available in the 1st link.......Thank You

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbZH9cedmiWhoHWkMlbNjFY4ltVlf5m1B


(WIKI FOR CONVENIENT BASE REFERENCE)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar's_Comet (Star from the East/compare to Chi Rho)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho (1st Christogram & Cross of Constantine)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clementia (Caesar's Divine foregiveness & mercy)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lictor (12 Messengers/followers)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Triumvirate (3 Wise men)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus_(mythology) (Alpha & Omega past/future)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitoline_Triad (Trinity of ancient Rome)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhea_Silvia (Virgin birth thru a God)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia (Before there was a Christmas)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropaion (Sacred trophy of victory)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechane (Stage mechanical device)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_(mythology) (Goddess of Victory in battle)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dies_sanguinis (Day of sacred blood,flagellation & cutting)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decemviri (Commission of ten men to write up a code of law)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Tables (twelve Ivory/Bronze? tablets of Laws)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_of_the_Three_Gauls (Altar of lugdunum)


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Matthew 1:18 -but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

Suetonius,The Lives of the Caesars Life of Augustus 94.4 P267

4 I have read the following story in the books of Asclepias of Mendes entitled Theologumena.When Atia (Atia Balba Caesonia) had come in the middle of the night to the solemn service of Apollo, she had her litter set down in the temple and fell asleep, while the rest of the matrons also slept. On a sudden a serpent glided up to her and shortly went away. When she awoke, she purified herself, as if after the embraces of her husband, and at once there appeared on her body a mark in colours like a serpent, and she could never get rid of it; so that presently she ceased ever to go to the public baths. In the tenth month after that Augustus was born and was therefore regarded as the son of Apollo.Atia too, before she gave him birth, dreamed that her vitals were borne up to the stars and spread over the whole extent of land and sea, while Octavius (Augustus) dreamed that the sun rose from Atia's womb.

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Matthew 2:3 When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him.

Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar 1.3 P443

3 Moreover, Caesar was not satisfied to be overlooked at first by Sulla, who was busy with a multitude of proscriptions, but he came before the people as candidate for the priesthood, although he was not yet much more than a stripling. 4 To this candidacy Sulla secretly opposed himself, and took measures to make Caesar fail in it, and when he was deliberating about putting him to death and some said there was no reason for killing a mere boy like him, he declared that they had no sense if they did not see in this boy many Mariuses.

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Mark 6:4 "Only in his home town,among his relatives,and only in his own house is a prophet without honor."5 He could not do any miracles there,except lay his hands on a few sick people,and heal them, 6 And He was amazed at their lack of faith.


Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar 39.8 P541

8 So completely had Caesar given up his cause for lost that,when Pompey,either from excessive caution or by some chance,did not follow up his great success,but withdrew after he had shut up the fugitives within their entrenchments,Caesar said to his friends as he left them:"To-day victory had been with the enemy,if they had had a victor in command."9 Then going by himself to his tent,and lying down,he spent that most distressful of all nights in vain reflections,convinced that he had shown bad generalship.

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Matthew 8:1 When he came from the mountainside large crowds followed him.

Julius Caesar, Gallic War Commentaries Book 8.51 (Writes in 3rd person)

Caesar, on his arrival, was received by the principal towns and colonies with incredible respect and affection; for this was the first time he came since the war against united Gaul. Nothing was omitted which could be thought of for the ornament of the gates, roads, and every place through which Caesar was to pass. All the people with their children went out to meet him. Sacrifices were offered up in every quarter. The market places and temples were laid out with entertainments, as if anticipating the joy of a most splendid triumph. So great was the magnificence of the richer and zeal of the poorer ranks of the people.

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Mark 7:15 "Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him.Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean' ."

Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar 17.9 P485

9 Of his indifference in regard to his diet the following circumstance also is brought in proof. When the host who was entertaining him in Mediolanum, Valerius Leo, served up asparagus dressed with myrrh instead of olive oil, Caesar ate of it without ado, and rebuked his friends when they showed displeasure. 10 "Surely," said he, "it were enough not to eat what you don't like; but he who finds fault with ill-breeding like this is ill-bred himself."

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Matthew 18:6 But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin,
it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck,and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Matthew 18:8 If your hand,or your foot causes you to sin,cut it off,and throw it away.

Matthew 18:9 If your eye causes you to sin,gouge it out,and throw it away.

Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar 16.1 P481

1 His soldiers showed such good will and zeal in his service that those who in their previous campaigns had been in no way superior to others were invincible and irresistible in confronting every danger to enhance Caesar's fame. 2 Such a man, for instance, was Acilius, who, in the sea-fight at Massalia, boarded a hostile ship and had his right hand cut off with a sword, but clung with the other hand to his shield, and dashing it into the faces of his foes, routed them all and got possession of the vessel. 3 Such a man, again, was Cassius Scaeva, who, in the battle at Dyrrhachium, had his eye struck out with an arrow, his shoulder transfixed with one javelin and his thigh with another, and received on his shield the blows of one hundred and thirty missiles. 4 In this plight, he called the enemy to him as though he would surrender. Two of them, accordingly, coming up, he lopped off the shoulder of one with his sword, smote the other in the face and put him to flight, and came off safely himself with the aid of his comrades. 5 Again, in Britain, when the enemy had fallen upon the foremost centurions, who had plunged into a watery marsh, a soldier, while Caesar in person was watching the battle, dashed into the midst of the fight, displayed many conspicuous deeds of daring, and rescued the centurions, after the Barbarians had been routed. 6 Then he himself, making his way with difficulty after all the rest, plunged into the muddy current, and at last, without his shield, partly swimming and partly wading, got across. 7 Caesar and his company were amazed and came to meet the soldier with cries of joy; but he, in great dejection, and with a burst of tears, cast himself at Caesar's feet, begging pardon for the loss of his shield. 8 Again, in Africa, Scipio captured a ship of Caesar's in which Granius Petro, who had been appointed quaestor, was sailing. Of the rest of the passengers Scipio made booty, but told the quaestor that he offered him his life. 9 Granius, however, remarking that it was the custom with Caesar's soldiers not to receive but to offer mercy, killed himself with a blow of his sword.

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Mark 6:38 "How many loaves do you have?"

Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar 39.1 P537

39 1 After this, Antony put in from Brundisium with his forces, and Caesar was emboldened to challenge Pompey to battle. Pompey was well posted and drew ample supplies both from land and sea; while Caesar had no great abundance at first, and afterwards was actually hard pressed for want of provisions. 2 But his soldiers dug up a certain root, mixed it with milk, and ate it.Once, too, they made loaves of it, and running up to the enemy's outposts, threw the loaves inside or tossed them to one another, adding by way of comment that as long as the earth produced such roots, they would not stop besieging Pompey. 3 Pompey, however, would not allow either the loaves or these words to reach the main body of his army. For his soldiers were dejected, fearing the ferocity and hardiness of their enemies, who were like wild beasts in their eyes.

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Mark 5 They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes.2 When Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an impure spirit came from the tombs to meet him. 3 This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him anymore, not even with a chain. 4 For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5 Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.6 When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him. 7 He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? In God’s name don’t torture me!” 8 For Jesus had said to him, “Come out of this man, you impure spirit!”9 Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
“My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.” 10 And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.11 A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside. 12 The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.” 13 He gave them permission, and the impure spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.14 Those tending the pigs ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, and the people went out to see what had happened. 15 When they came to Jesus, they saw the man who had been possessed by the legion of demons, sitting there, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid. 16 Those who had seen it told the people what had happened to the demon-possessed man—and told about the pigs as well. 17 Then the people began to plead with Jesus to leave their region.18 As Jesus was getting into the boat, the man who had been demon-possessed begged to go with him. 19 Jesus did not let him, but said, “Go home to your own people and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you.” 20 So the man went away and began to tell in the Decapolis how much Jesus had done for him. And all the people were amazed.


Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar 20.4 p493

4 But when he heard that the Belgae, who were the most powerful of the Gauls and occupied the third part of all their country, had revolted, and had assembled unknown myriads of armed men, he turned back at once and marched thither with great speed. 5 He fell upon the enemy as they were plundering the Gauls that were in alliance with Rome, and so routed and destroyed the least scattered and most numerous of them, after a disgraceful struggle on their part, that the Romans could cross lakes and deep rivers for the multitude of dead bodies in them. 6 All the rebels who dwelt along the ocean submitted without a battle; against the Nervii, however, the most savage and warlike of the people in these parts, Caesar led his forces. 7 The Nervii, who dwelt in dense woods, and had placed their families and possessions in a recess of the forest at farthest remove from the enemy, at a time when Caesar was fortifying a camp and did not expect the battle, fell upon him suddenly, sixty thousand strong. They routed his cavalry, and surrounded the seventh and twelfth legions and slew all their centurions, 8 and had not Caesar snatched a shield, made his way through the combatants in front of him, and hurled himself upon the Barbarians; and had not the tenth legion, at sight of his peril, run down from the heights and cut the ranks of the enemy to pieces, not a Roman, it is thought, would have survived. 9 As it was, however, owing to Caesar's daring, they fought beyond their powers, as the saying is, and even then did not rout the Nervii, but cut them down as they defended themselves; 10 for out of sixty thousand only five hundred are said to have come off alive, and only three of their senators out of four hundred.



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Mark 1:34 and Jesus healed many who had various diseases.

Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar 41.6 P543

41 6 Caesar accomplished most of his march with difficulty, since no one would sell him provisions, and everybody despised him on account of his recent defeat; 7 but after he had taken Gomphi, a city of Thessaly, he not only provided food for his soldiers, but also relieved them of their disease unexpectedly. 8 For they fell in with plenty of wine, and after drinking freely of it, and then revelling and rioting on their march, by means of their drunkenness they drove away and got rid of their trouble, since they brought their bodies into a different habit.

Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar 12.2 P471

2 After bringing the war to a successful close, he was equally happy in adjusting the problems of peace, by establishing concord between the cities, and particularly by healing the dissensions between debtors and creditors.

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Mark 6:48 He saw the discples strainning at the oars, because the wind was against them. About the fourth watch of the night he went out to them, walking on the lake.

Suetonius,The Lives of the Caesars Life of Julius Caesar 64.1 P85

64 1 At Alexandria, while assaulting a bridge, he was forced by a sudden sally of the enemy to take to a small skiff; when many others threw themselves into the same boat, he plunged into the sea, and after swimming for two hundred paces, got away to the nearest ship, holding up his left hand all the way, so as not to wet some papers which he was carrying, and dragging his cloak after him with his teeth, to keep the enemy from getting it as a trophy.

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Mark 6:50-:51 "Take courage! It is I. Don't be afraid." Then he climbed into the boat with them, and the wind died down.

Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar 38.1 P537

38 1 At Apollonia, since the force which he had with him was not a match for the enemy and the delay of his troops on the other side caused him perplexity and distress, Caesar conceived the dangerous plan of embarking in a twelve-oared boat, without any one's knowledge, and going over to Brundisium, though the sea was encompassed by such large armaments of the enemy. 2 At night, accordingly, after disguising himself in the dress of a slave, he went on board, threw himself down as one of no account, and kept quiet. 3 While the river Aoüs was carrying the boat down towards the sea, the early morning breeze, which at that time usually made the mouth of the river calm by driving back the waves, was quelled by a strong wind which blew from the sea during the night; 4 the river therefore chafed against the inflow of the sea and the opposition of its billows, and was rough, being beaten back with a great din and violent eddies, so that it was impossible for the master of the boat to force his way along. He therefore ordered the sailors to come about in order to retrace his course. 5 But Caesar, perceiving this, disclosed himself, took the master of the boat by the hand, who was terrified at sight of him, and said: "Come, good man, be bold and fear naught; thou carryest Caesar and Caesar's fortune in thy boat."69 6 The sailors forgot the storm, and laying to their oars, tried with all alacrity to force their way down the river. But since it was impossible, after taking much water and running great hazard at the mouth of the river, Caesar very reluctantly suffered the captain to put about. 7 When he came back, his soldiers met him in throngs, finding much fault and sore displeased with him because he did not believe that even with them alone he was able to conquer, but was troubled, and risked his life for the sake of the absent as though distrusting those who were present.

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Matthew 8:22 But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead.

Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar 34.6 P527

6 against Domitius, however, who was holding Corfinium with thirty cohorts under his command, he marched, and pitched his camp near by. Domitius, despairing of his enterprise, asked his physician, who was a slave, for a poison; and taking what was given him, drank it, intending to die. 7 But after a little, hearing that Caesar showed most wonderful clemency towards his prisoners, he bewailed his fate, and blamed the rashness of his purpose. 8 Then his physician bade him be of good cheer, since what he had drunk was a sleeping-potion and not deadly; whereupon Domitius rose up overjoyed and went to Caesar, the pledge of whose right hand he received, only to desert him and go back to Pompey. 9 When tidings of these things came to Rome, men were made more cheerful, and some of the fugitives turned back.

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Matthew 14:10 And had John beheaded in prison.

Appian The Civil Wars Book II 86.1 P385

The servants of Pothinus cut off Pompey's head and kept it for Caesar, in expectation of a large reward, but he visited condign punishment on them for their nefarious deed. The remainder of the body was buried by somebody on the shore, and a small monument was erected over it, on which somebody else wrote this inscription:—

"How pitiful a tomb for one so rich in temples."

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Matthew 14:13 When Jesus heard what had happened, he withdrew by Boat privately to a solitary place.

Appian The Civil Wars Book II 90.1 P395 (2nd half of paragraph)

He ascended the Nile with 400 ships, exploring the country in company with Cleopatra and generally enjoying himself with her. The details, however, of these events are related more particularly in my Egyptian history. Caesar could not bear to look at the head of Pompey when it was brought to him, but ordered that it be buried, and set apart for it a small plot of ground near the city which was dedicated to Nemesis, but in my time, while the Roman emperor Trajan was exterminating the Jewish race in Egypt, it was devastated by them in the exigencies of the war.

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John 19:15 ..."We have no King but Caesar,"...

Suetonius,The Lives of the Caesars Life of Julius Caesar P109 79.2

But from that time on he could not rid himself of the odium of having aspired to the title of monarch, although he replied to the commons, when they hailed him as king, "I am Caesar and no king," and at the Lupercalia, when the consul Antony several times attempted to place a crown upon his head as he spoke from the rostra, he put it aside and at last sent it to the Capitol, to be offered to Jupiter Optimus Maximus.

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Appian The Civil Wars Book II 146.1 P499

Extreme passion he uncovered the body of Caesar,lifted his robe on the point of a spear and shook it aloft, pierced with dagger-thrusts and red with the dictator's blood. Whereupon the people, like a chorus in a play, mourned with him in the most sorrowful manner,and from sorrow became filled again with anger.

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Appian The Civil Wars Book II 147.1 P501

Raised above the bier an image of Caesar himself made of wax.The body itself,as it lay on its back on the couch, could not be seen.The image was turned round and round by a mechanical device (Tropaion/Mechane),showing the twenty-three wounds in all parts of the body and on the face,that had been dealt to him so brutally.

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Matthew 27:51 At that moment the Curtain of the Temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The Earth shook, and the Rocks split.

Appian The Civil Wars Book II 147.1 P501 (latter 3/4th of the paragraph)

The people could no longer bear the pitiful sight presented to them. They groaned, and, girding up their loins, they burned the senate-chamber where Caesar was slain, and ran hither and thither searching for the murderers, who had fled some time previously. They were so mad with rage and grief that meeting the tribune Cinna, on account of his similarity of name to the praetor Cinna who had made a speech against Caesar, not waiting to hear any explanation about the similarity of name, they tore him to pieces like wild beasts so that no part of him was ever found for burial. They carried fire to the houses of the other murderers, but the domestics besought them to desist. So the people abstained from the use of fire, but they threatened to come back with arms on the following day (Tribune's were sacrosanct,in the sense that any assault on their person was prohibited.)

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Suetonius,The Lives of the Caesars Life of Julius Caesar 84.5 P117

At the height of the public grief a throng of foreigners went about lamenting each after the fashion of his country, above all the Jews, who even flocked to the place for several successive nights.(Caesar was seen as Messiah due to his respect of their Temple/Religion, and "Cyrus the Great" several centuries before was also seen as a nonJewish Messiah.)

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Matthew 27:5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left.Then he went away and hanged himself.

Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar 69.13 p609

13 but as he was about to fight the second battle, the same phantom visited him again at night, and though it said nothing to him, Brutus understood his fate, and plunged headlong into danger. 14 He did not fall in battle, however, but after the rout retired to a crest of ground, put his naked sword to his breast (while a certain friend, as they say, helped to drive the blow home), and so died.


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Matthew 27:45 From the sixth hour darkness came over the land.

Plutarch, The Parallel Lives Life of Caesar 69.4 P607

4 and among events of divine ordering, there was the great comet, which showed itself in great splendour for seven nights after Caesar's murder, and then disappeared; also, the obscuration of the sun's rays. 5 For during all that year its orb rose pale and without radiance, while the heat that came down from it was slight and ineffectual, so that the air in its circulation was dark and heavy owing to the feebleness of the warmth that penetrated it, and the fruits, imperfect and half ripe, withered away and shrivelled up on account of the coldness of the atmosphere.


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Mark 2:2 "- We saw his star in the East and have come to worship him."

Matthew 28:3 His appearence was like Lightning, and his clothes were White as Snow.

Suetonius,The Lives of the Caesars Life of Julius Caesar 88.1 P119

He died in the fifty-sixth year of his age, and was numbered among the gods, not only by a formal decree, but also in the conviction of the common people. For at the first of the games which his heir Augustus gave in honour of his apotheosis, a comet shone for seven successive days, rising about the eleventh hour, and was believed to be the soul of Caesar, who had been taken to heaven; and this is why a star is set upon the crown of his head in his statue.

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Comet of Caesar;Sidus Iulium ("Julian Star") or Caesaris Astrum ("Star of Caesar").

May 18, 44 BCE (China)
July 23–25, 44 BCE (Rome)
Absolute magnitude: 4.0 (Nearly as bright as Caesar's celestial Mother the Goddess of Love Venus) "kometes" Greek for Star with long Hair.

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Matthew 27:52 The Tombs broke open and the bodies of many Holy people who had died were raised to life.

Matthew 27:54 When the Centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the Earthquake and all that happened, they were terrified , and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son of God!"

The poet Virgil; Georgics (26 BCE) "The Portents At Julius Caesar’s Death" BkI:461-497

So, the sun will give you signs of what late evening brings,

and from where a fair-weather wind blows the clouds,

or what the rain-filled southerly intends. Who dares to say

the sun tricks us? He often warns us that hidden troubles

threaten, that treachery and secret wars are breeding.

He pitied Rome when Caesar was killed,

and hid his shining face in gloomy darkness,

and an impious age feared eternal night.

At that time earth, and the level sea,

troublesome dogs, and fateful birds, gave omens.

How often Etna inundated the Cyclopes’s fields,

streams of lava pouring from her shattered furnace,

hurling gouts of flame and molten rock!

In Germany they heard the clash of weapons,

across the sky, the Alps shook with strange quakes.

A great shout was heard, openly, in the silent groves,

and pale ghosts in strange forms were seen in the dark of night,

and, ah horror, creatures spoke like men.

Rivers stopped, earth split, and sad, the ivories wept

in the temples, and the bronze sweated.

Eridanus, king of the rivers, washed away forests

in the whirl of his maddened vortex, and swept

cattle and stables over the plains. Nor at that time

was there any lack of ominous marks in the dark entrails,

blood flowing in the wells, and mighty cities

echoing at night with the howls of wolves.

Never did greater lightning flash from a clear sky,

never did fatal comets shine more often.

So Philippi again saw Roman armies clash

amongst themselves, with equal weapons:

And the gods thought it not unfitting that Emathia and the broad plain

of Haemus, should twice be enriched with our blood.

And a time will come, when in those lands,

the farmer labouring at the earth with curved plough,

will come upon spears eaten by scabrous rust,

or strike an empty helmet with his heavy hoe,

and wonder at giant bones in the opened grave.

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Ancient Romans would add water to wine,because drinking straight wine was considered uncivilized.

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http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Augustus*.html

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Caesar*.html

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Appian/Civil_Wars/2*.html

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Julius*.html

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/caesar/CaesarGal08.html

http://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/VirgilGeorgicsI.htm#_Toc533589855

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Evidence for Julius Caesar besides his own writings for example "Gallic Wars Commentaries."

~Sallust(86-34BC)~Suetonius(c75-120AD)~Plutarch (46-127AD)~Appian(c95-165AD)~Cicero
~Dio Cassius~Livy~Lucan~Valerius Maximus~Vitruvius~Catullus
Plus:inscriptions/monuments/statues/coins

Evidence for Jesus is only the New Testament (unless you count vague OT prophecy.)

Jesus 6 BCE-33 CE? (No mention of Jesus by anyone,or even about Matthew 27:52-:53.)

Pauline Epistles 51-58 CE (The letters considered genuine tell very little about an Earthly Jesus, Not an eyewitness, and have some interpolations/redactions.)

Romans Sack Judea 70 CE

The Gospels are labeled by Church tradition, and are from unknown Greek educated writers.

Mark 65-70? CE (Dates are an estimate from textual scrutiny by scholars.)
Matthew 75-80? CE
Luke 75-90 CE?
John 85-125? CE

 

[dia6olo]

I was googling around last night on Julius Caesar & came across a forum with this same topic and an interesting post.

As you see, the Sun-Disc , and the Cross, both his Symbols, Julius Caesar also established the Julian Solar Calender and it was HE whom established DEC 25TH as the day of Winter Solstice, Christmas on DEC25th is ultimately traced to HIM. this is why its also referred to as "YULE Tide" after YULE-IUS caesar. the decoration of Trees, stems from the Romans whom decorated Trees with Armour, and the Star placed upon the top of the Tree, is the Sidus Iulium.

Out of all Regions of the roman empire, Judea where the ones that Honored Caesar the most, Temple Mount was built to honor Julius Caesar, as equivalent to "Deus", or "Iove", and In Classical Latin, the pronunciation of Jove (Iove) is Y-A-W-E [ YAHWEH]. Take note, that "Julius" means "Son-of-Iove" or "Descendant of Iove".
Julius Caesar was essentially "The Son, and the Father".

YHWH in Hebrew may render, "Yah-uli-ah", , thus "hall-elujah" (Praise Julius), "Uli-ah" would eventually mutate as "Ilah" or "Allah"

I did an Etymology & Historical Origin of the name - Julius:

Julius is derived from an ancient Roman family name Julianus (from the gens Julia). The name most likely developed from the Greek “ioulos” meaning ‘downy-bearded’ or ‘soft-haired’. The name is also associated with “youth” due to the young age at which someone grows the first soft hairs on their chin. It is also thought to be related to Jove, another name for the Roman god Jupiter – the patron deity of ancient Rome who ruled over laws and social order.

I did a bit more googling on Jove/Jupiter and found this.

Jove/Jovis/Jupiter/Yahweh
Jovis, the Old and medieval Latin variant derived from Sanskrit Djovis, meaning "sky god or bright god of heaven (perhaps reference to the sun-god)," occurs as genitive case, MerchT 2224; CCL 232.


JOVE, JOVES, JOVIS. Jove, otherwise known as Jupiter, was the chief god of the Roman pantheon. The name Jo-ve became a poetic alternative after Jupiter gained precedence during the Roman classical period.

Jupiter, derived from Sanskrit Dyaus-pater, Ju=sky + pater=father "sky-father," occurs once initially, HF II.642; nine times in medial positions, HF I.215, 464; II.955; Tr II.233; IV.669, 1683; LGW 1806, 2585; Form Age 57; and throughout the Astrolabe. Jupiteres, the ME genitive case, occurs once, in medial position, HF I.199. Juppiter occurs in medial positions, KnT 2442, 2786, 2792, 3035, 3069, 3934, 3942; SNT 364, 413; CYT 828.

Jove is the name of the supreme god of the pagans. His image is that of a bearded older man in the figure called Zeus.
**Dievs - Vedic/Indu, Dyaus
**Dyaus - Greek/Zeus, Dios
**Deus - Latin/Jove, Jupater (Jupiter)
**Jove - Hebrew/YHVH (Yahweh)
**Iao - Greece/Ionians, "Iao-ians," "Yah-o-ians"
**Jivah - Sanskt, sky god (u=yava/java) same as Jihvah

ZEUS or JOVE JUPITER DIOS ZOOS, e-o-ve (yah-o-ve), Ju-pater, de-os, his poetic name was ZEN an in Babylon Sin id+ LIFE and LIVING HUMANITY id+ THE GREATEST GOD IN THE GREEK PANTHEON (PANTHEISM) also known as "THE THUNDERER" He holds lightening bolts in his right hand Names gr ZEUS = god of the heavens (sky) gr DIOS genitive of ZEUS sp DIOS god, stands for any god lat DEUS god, stands for any god DEI god, stands for any god skt DYAUS sky day skt JIVAH sky god (yava/java) sp DIA day ukr DEN day DIA action idea DIACH creator BOH god, lord heb JOVE god, (Amorite Yahwi) YHVH yah-o-ve, yahoveh, yahweh, yihavah, Yahouah, Yahuwah, Egypt IAH god, sky god, yah moon god

The Roman Jove is a unique god whose recognition is often clouded by religious zealots who do not want his true identity to be known. It appears his deity was grafted into the Roman culture where he became identified as the Greek IAO. Zeus is the Greek god of the earth. He is said to have created the first woman Pandora and also the god who sent a world-wide flood to destroy mortals. Jupiter is the Roman counterpart of Zeus. Jove is associated with Zeus, Jupiter, and Yahweh.

The name Jove first appears to be the name of a Jewish god whom the Israelites in their apostasy borowed from the Babylonian Ia or Ya. This god was adopted by the Jews from among the Amorites and Cannanites and commonly referred to as Yahwi but in title as Baal. The consort of Jove or Baal was Ashtoreth. Ashtoreth is the counterpart of the Greek goddess Hera and the Roman goddess Juno (for whom June is named and the origin of June brides);The son of Jove/Baal and Ashtoreth was Tammuz. In the Greek pantheon, Ashtoreth is recognized as Hera/Juno. Tammuz is recognized as Apollo.

Who then is Jove?

According to some scholars Jove is pronounced Jo-ve. Some say the letter "J" is not correct since they claim there was no letter "J" or "J" sound until the 15th century AD. The sound of the letter "J" goes back at least 4,000BC. It is the letter "J" that is modern for which the sound now stands. So they replace the letter "J" with the letter "I" to form "Iove". These same scholars then claim that the Greek "I" is the same as the Hebrew "Y" or yod and thus the name appears as "Yove" and pronounced by some as "ya-o-ve." Some Yahwist claim that the letters YHWH are each pronounced as "Y=e; H=ah; W=o H=ah to form "e-ah-o-ah."

The tetragrammaton YHVH would then be "e-ah-va-ah." With the Greek/Roman Jove we can see it would be pronounced as "J-ah-va-ah." And taking the "Jah" and converting the "J" to a "Y" we would then have "Yah" and finally "Yah-va-ah." If we convert the "v" into a "w" as is done between YHVH and YHWH the name would be "Yah-wa-ah" or "Yahwaah."

Jove is then none other than Yahwah or Yahweh. Some scholars claim that the Greek "Jo" when compared to renderings in the Septuagint (LXX) is "Yah" so that we have Jo-Yah and thus Jove is Yah-ve.

Uz - God - Sumerian; Us - Egyptian

And this.

The shocking things that you never knew about the name Yahweh

Yahweh is said by a great many bible scholars and church theologians to be the correct pronunciation of the Creator of Israel's name [YHWH= yode ,he ,waw ,he], but is it? The Roman Catholic church is and has been the mightiest church the world has ever seen, and in our time having more than one billion followers. Its history goes right back to Roman Emperor Constantine the great who established Christianity as a legal religion in Roman Empire times. Would you be amazed to know that the chief God of the Ancient Romans is still being praised and worshipped unknowingly today in our time by a great multitude of Christians and Jews worldwide? The chief God of the Ancient Romans is known to us today as Jupiter, King of the Gods, but Jupiter has an older more ancient name. In English it is Jove and in classical Latin it is spelled IOVE and pronounced Yahweh. If we check a pronunciation chart of classical Latin in a book called Vox Latina, which is one of the most respected and authoritative books on the pronunciation of classical Latin we find that "I" is pronounced as a double "EE" sound as in the word sheep and the "O" is pronounced as a "AH" sound as in the word father and the "V" is pronounced as a "W" as in the word whale and the "E" is pronounced as "EH" as in the word pet. If we put these sounds together EE + AH + W + EH it pronounces YAHWEH. The EE sound + AH sound = YAH and W + EH = WEH, put the two sounds together and it pronounces YAHWEH spelled IOVE in classical Latin which is the King of all the Roman Gods. THE ANCIENT ROMANS WORSHIPED AND PRAISED THE NAME OF YAHWEH. One thing is for sure, YHWH is a Hebrew deity, and IS NOT a Roman deity named YAHWEH = IOVE / JUPITER.



HERE IS A LIST OF REFFERENCES FOR CLASSICAL LATIN PRONUNCIATION CHARTS ON THE NET.
http://www.yahushua.net/VoxLatina.htm
www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=classical%20Latin

I'm not smart enough to put it all together or verify it but thought it worth posting.
Assuming the cult of Julius Caesar saw him as Jupiter or the son of Jupiter, it would certainly fit in very nicely with the son of God?

 

[Palinurus]

I was googling around last night on Julius Caesar & came across a forum with this same topic and an interesting post.

Hi dia6olo,

Did you only forget to mention a link to that forum, or are there special reasons for not giving us a link to verify your source? Just asking...

 

[dia6olo]

I was googling around last night on Julius Caesar & came across a forum with this same topic and an interesting post.

Hi dia6olo,

Did you only forget to mention a link to that forum, or are there special reasons for not giving us a link to verify your source? Just asking...

No reason, forgot to paste the link :)
_http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?s=270cfdeb9ae50bcdcde7c81b7b2260ac&t=215415

 

[Palinurus]

Thank you for providing the link, dia6olo.

I asked for it because I thought I somehow recognized the snippet you posted. After checking, it turns out that I've read that forum thread many months ago back in the early days when the current topic was launched, but I never brought it up here for evident lack of sources and I didn't even bookmark it for myself -- so I couldn't have checked it without your help.

Currently I wonder whether this roman piso fellow would be the same person as the one you mentioned in Reply # 438 where you posted the link to your Google Drive Video collection:

A lot of the clips are from a fellow who goes by the name of calpurnpiso, he's a bit full on/eccentric but fully believes that Jesus was Caesar and points out some very interesting facts regarding the Roman Empire, Julius Caesar & Christianity.

Might be interesting to know whether some scholar used similar aliases in both cases to hide behind? Just a thought, fwiw.

 

[dia6olo]

Currently I wonder whether this roman piso fellow would be the same person as the one you mentioned in Reply # 438 where you posted the link to your Google Drive Video collection:

The Piso in the videos does not beat about the bush with his replies to negative nay comments left on his videos whereas the forum Piso seems a lot more restrained & comes back with a deeper explanation.

On that basis & the fact that there seems to be quite a bit of stuff mentioned in the posts that is not mentioned in the videos, my guess is it's not the same person.

 

[Meager1]

The poet Virgil; Georgics (26 BCE) "The Portents At Julius Caesar’s Death" BkI:461-497

So, the sun will give you signs of what late evening brings,and from where a fair-weather wind blows the clouds,or what the rain-filled southerly intends. Who dares to say the sun tricks us? He often warns us that hidden troubles threaten, that treachery and secret wars are breeding.

He pitied Rome when Caesar was killed,and hid his shining face in gloomy darkness,and an impious age feared eternal night.

I wonder why there are so many references to astrology involved in all of these old stories.

I was looking at a depiction of the last supper again recently and even that appears to have astrological undertones, the male and the female representation with their particular constellations at their sides, the guy with knife in the picture, is he simply representing the stabbing of the bull, as in the ancient cult?

Was Caesar maybe acting as the human "channel" or stand, in for the energy of the sun, was the "Jesus myth" meant to fraudulently portray the same, while some ancient science was actually being twisted and obscured by the church?

There are just so many things seemingly related to an old sun science/religion, that it almost seems that this is one of the original concepts that the church has deliberately hidden or has tried to hide from the world.

 

[Laura]

I wonder why there are so many references to astrology involved in all of these old stories.

Because it became very popularized during the reign of Augustus. He consciously used it to justify his position as "son of the god". His buddy Maecenas also took charge of Horace and Virgil and utilized their writing for propaganda.

BUT, the astrology thing got out of his control and later on, astrologers were banned from Rome because other people were using them to make predictions that this or that person was going to be covered with glory or possibly usurp power. It was all about power over the minds of the people.

I was looking at a depiction of the last supper again recently and even that appears to have astrological undertones, the male and the female representation with their particular constellations at their sides, the guy with knife in the picture, is he simply representing the stabbing of the bull, as in the ancient cult?

Possibly what Da Vinci was portraying - astrological themes.

Was Caesar maybe acting as the human "channel" or stand, in for the energy of the sun, was the "Jesus myth" meant to fraudulently portray the same, while some ancient science was actually being twisted and obscured by the church?

I would say it was more likely that "sun worship" was later misunderstood and was, originally, comet worship. That would be the only "ancient science" implied. It was clearly understood at the time of Caesar that his position as a god was related to the come of 44 BC and that was why a star was put on his statues.

There are just so many things seemingly related to an old sun science/religion, that it almost seems that this is one of the original concepts that the church has deliberately hidden or has tried to hide from the world.

The old "sun/science" religion apparently did not exist as some people suppose. It was all about comets, mainly, because they were often as bright - or brighter and more proximate - than the sun. The sun, itself, was frequently seen as being under attack because it could be blocked out for days, weeks, months, by comet activity. There would be gratitude when it returned to view, but it was clear to the ancients that it was not always in "control".

Just keep in mind when you read stuff about "sun cults" that most of them were probably, actually, comet cults. And there was nothing "scientific" about it. Most of what passes today for esotericism is seriously misguided and flawed because the actual cosmic state of affairs is not known by those trying to interpret rags and tatters of information.

Sol Invictus, for example, would be the sun that "returned" - unconquered - after a period of cometary activity, darkening of the skies, etc etc.

There's more, of course, but I'm working on it. Hopefully, you've read HoM for all of the background.

 

[Marlowe]

It has been said that at the end of this great age all secrets will be unveiled and all mysteries will be solved. I have been looking into the "Jesus" mystery for a long time and I feel certain that the British writer Ralph Ellis has solved the mystery of the identity of Jesus...

According to the research Ellis has done the real Jesus was born about 14 AD and led the revolt against Rome & was captured in 70 AD . He was a king of Edessa ,a small country in northeastern Syria.
He had a brother named James & a wife named Martha....& he was a direct DNA descendant of Caesar & Cleopatra.King Jesus was also a Gnostic. This guy was a real historical figure .There is real documentation
on him...

Here is the Red Ice Radio interview with Ralph Ellis.
_http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2013/04/RIR-130418.php

I agree 100% with Joseph Atwill that the Jesus of the New Testament was a complete fiction....

However I do believe the fictional Jesus was created by Rome to muddy & misinform people about the historical

real Jesus ,the King of Edessa.
Ralph Ellis has written 3 books on the REAL Jesus...The most recent is called Jesus,King of Edessa.
It shows photos of ancient coins with Jesus's profile stamped on them....The evidence is overwhelming IMO....

 

[Laura]

What texts does Ellis use for his evidence? (I don't have time for radio shows, I read much faster). How does he prove this king of Edessa was a descendant of Julius Caesar?

 

[Laura]

Doesn't sound very likely, but I'll check the sources.

I should note that there is very good argument that the child that Cleopatra had which she claimed was Caesar's son probably was not. In any event, even if he were, Octavian dispatched him at a young age.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phraates_IV_of_Parthia

King Phraates IV of Parthia (Persian: فرهاد چهارم‎), son of Orodes II (Persian: ارد دوم‎), ruled the Parthian Empire from 37–2 BC. He was appointed successor to the throne in 37 BC, after the death of his brother Pacorus I. He soon murdered his father and all his thirty brothers.

Phraates was attacked in 36 BC by the Roman general Mark Antony, who marched through Armenia into Media Atropatene, and was defeated and lost the greater part of his army. Antony, believing himself betrayed by Artavasdes, king of Armenia, invaded his kingdom in 34 BC, took him prisoner, and concluded a treaty with another Artavasdes, king of Media Atropatene.

But when the war with Octavian broke out, Antony could not maintain his conquests; Phraates recovered Media Atropatene and drove Artaxias, the son of Artavasdes, back into Armenia. But by his many cruelties Phraates had roused the indignation of his subjects, who raised Tiridates II to the throne in 32 BC. Phraates was restored by the Scythians, and Tiridates fled into Syria. The Romans hoped that Augustus would avenge the defeat of the Roman general Marcus Licinius Crassus on the Parthians, but he contented himself with a treaty, by which Phraates gave back the prisoners and the conquered eagles; the kingdom of Armenia also was recognized as a Roman dependency.

Soon afterwards Phraates, whose greatest enemies were his own family, sent five of his sons as hostages to Augustus,[1] thus acknowledging his dependence on Rome (the hostages included Tiridates III, whom the Romans later tried to install as a vassal king in AD 35). This plan he adopted on the advice of an Italian woman, a gift of Caesar, "Thea Muse" whom he made his favored wife; her son Phraates V, commonly called Phraataces (a diminutive form), he appointed successor. About 2 BC he was murdered by Musa and her son.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_of_Parthia

Musa was Queen of Parthia c. 2 BC – AD 4. She is called as Thermusa by Josephus and is also known as Thea Urania (Astarte). She was a concubine given by the Roman Emperor Augustus (27 BC – 14) to King Phraates IV of Parthia (37–2 BC). Around the same time, Augustus recovered the eagle standards (Aquilae) lost by Marcus Licinius Crassus in the Battle of Carrhae in 53 BC.

Phraates IV made her his favored wife; her son Phraates V (2 BC – 4), commonly called Phraataces (a diminutive form), he appointed successor. She persuaded Phraates IV to send his other sons to Rome as hostages. With all rivals out of the way, she and Phraataces poisoned the king and assumed the throne in 2 BC. They appear together on their coins, and were apparently co-rulers.

Josephus alleges that Musa then married Phraates V, and, this being unacceptable to the Parthians, they rose up and overthrew them, offering the crown to Orodes III (who ruled briefly in 6).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phraates_V_of_Parthia

Phraates V (Persian: فرهاد پنجم‎) of Persia, known by the diminutive Phraataces (Ancient Greek: Φραατάκης), ruled the Iranian Parthian Empire from 2 BC to AD 4. He was the younger son of Phraates IV of Parthia (37–2 BC) and Musa of Parthia, with whom he is associated on his coins. Under Phraates V a war threatened to break out with Rome about the supremacy in Armenia and Media. But when Augustus (27 BC – AD 14) sent his adopted son Gaius Caesar into the east in order to invade Persia, the Iranian Parthians preferred to conclude a treaty (AD 1), by which once again Armenia was recognized as in the Roman sphere. Soon afterwards Phraates V and his mother were slain by the Parthians, about 4. Josephus alleges that Phraates V married his mother Musa, and, this being unacceptable to the Iranian Parthians, they rose up and overthrew him, offering the crown to Orodes III of Parthia (who ruled briefly in 6).

 

[Laura]

Ellis says:

Jesus was a descendent of Cleopatra of Egypt. More radically, it would appear that he was a direct descendent of Queen Thea Muse Ourania, who had been given to King Phraates IV of Parthia (Persia) as a diplomatic bride by Emperor Octavian. But Queen Ourania was exiled from Parthia in AD 4 and made her way with 200 courtiers and 600 cavalry to Syria. And they did so just as the Star Prophesy gained popularity in Rome - the prophesy that claimed a new king would be born under an eastern star, an eastern monarch who would rule the whole Empire. So in AD 4 we do indeed have a royal family who were on a journey and living in a state of poverty, perhaps in a stable, whose new infant son was born under the Eastern Star and would have been visited by the Magi. Remember that the Magi were the Parthian priesthood and king-makers, and so they would only be interested in an infant who had an element of Parthian royal blood. And when tracking the history of that same infant within the many chronicles of Saul-Josephus, it was apparent that he grew up to become Jesus of Gamala, who is also called King Izas of the Adiabene. And so we at last knew who Jesus was - he was Jesus-Izas, a minor prince of a land called Adiabene.

He also writes:

_http://www.thehistoryforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=30489

Was Jesus a king of Edessa?

The answer is complicated, but let us begin with Jesus being a priest-king. The biblical epistles say that Jesus was not only a rabbi, but became the High Priest of Jerusalem (see Hebrews 7). He was also called the christ and messiah, which both mean 'king'. {Bad start, using the Bible as history!}

So which 'Jesus' became High Priest of Jerusalem, as the New Testament claims? The answer just has to be Jesus of Gamala, who became high priest in about AD 63. Don't worry about the late date here, as every verse and record similarly point towards this late date.

So does this scenario have legs? Yes indeed, because one of the central claims by Professor Robert Eisenman, {Next big mistake, thinking that Eisenman, who believes the Bible is history is a reliable source.} in his two vast seminal works on the N.T., says that Mary/Martha of Simon-Boethus were the same as the biblical Mary/Martha who lived at the house of Simon in Bethany. This Mary of Bethany was, of course, Mary Magdalene, as the Catholic Church now admits (they used to admit this, then they did not, and now they do again). Yet this conflation of characters would again place Mary Magdalene in the AD 60s, and not the AD 30s, as Mary/Martha Boethus was an AD 60s character.

The interesting thing here, is that the Talmud says that Jesus of Gamala married Mary Boethus (ie: he married Mary Magdalene). More than that, Mary Boethus (nee Mary Magdalene) was said to have been the richest woman in Judaea. {Source citation? Talmud isn't reliable as history either.}

You get the picture as to the method in which the N.T. has been distorted, to bring a high-born family down to the lowest of low. This was purposely done by Saul, to suit his Roman patrons, but more on that later.

Next, we turn to Edessa, and the story of King Abgarus of Edessa writing letters to Jesus.

Firstly, we need to understand what family this King Abgarus au Kama belonged to. To do this, we need to go back to Jesus of Gamala once more. Note here, that the title 'Gama-la' and 'Kama' are the same in Aramaic, and so we have our first link. Jesus of Gamala (the high priest of Jerusalem who married Mary Magdalene) was possibly related to King Abgarus.

So who was Jesus of Gamala? Well, Josephus Flavius says he was the rebel leader of the Fourth Sect of Judaism, who started and prosecuted the Jewish Revolt in the late AD 60s (note the late date again). However, just to confuse matters, Josephus also claims that it was a King Izas of Adiabene who started and prosecuted the Jewish Revolt in the late AD 60s. {Josephus isn't reliable either.}

Hmm, it looks like Jesus of Gamala and Izas of Adiabene were the same person (especially since they have the same name). This is why this 'unknown' Jesus of Gamala was so influential, because he was a King (King Izas). But King Izas was a King of the Jews, because his mother, Queen Helena, converted to Judaism. However, the biblical Jesus was also a King of the Jews - he was the 'christ' and 'messiah', which both mean 'king', and he was crucified as the 'King of the Jews'.

So the biblical Jesus, Jesus of Gamala, and King Izas of Adiabene were possibly all the same person. But who was this Jesus-Izas of Adiabene in the historical record? - because Josephus is deliberately obfuscative here. And that kingdom called Adiabene is pretty mythical too, because no historian has ever pinned it down to a precise region, with real supporting evidence. Where was Adiabene?

The answer resides with the Syriac historians, like Moses of Chorene, {(ca. 410 – 490s AD) - a bit late, and a Christian. Not a reliable source.}who say that Queen Helena of Adiabene was the wife of King Abgar au Kama V of Edessa. So the mother of King Izas was married to King Abgarus, which presumably means that King Izas of Adiabene was a son of King Abgarus of Edessa. One of the principle ways we can prove this, is that we have already identified King Izas as being Jesus of Gamala. But the Gama-la and Kama titles are the same, so King Abgar au Kama was actually King Abgar au Gama-la. Of course, there is much more evidence besides this.


So if you are following this logic, then it is axiomatic that King Abgar au Kama of Edessa would have been writing to the biblical Jesus - for Jesus was his son.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movses_Khorenatsi

Three possible early references to Movses in other sources are usually identified. The first one is in Ghazar Parpetsi’s History of Armenia (about 500 A.D.), where the author details the persecution of several notable Armenian individuals, including the “blessed Movses the philosopher,” identified by some scholars as Movses Khorenatsi.[17][18] But there is no indication in Parpetsi that this Movses had "composed any historical works."[19] The second one is the Book of Letters (sixth century), which contains a short theological treatise by "Movses Khorenatsi."[20] However, this treatise, not being an historical work, cannot be convincingly attributed to the historian Movses.[21] The third possible early reference is in a tenth-eleventh centuries manuscript containing a list of dates attributed to Athanasius (Atanas) of Taron (sixth century): under the year 474, the list has "Moses of Chorene, philosopher and writer." This mention is, however, considered as too uncertain.[21]

A historian by the name of Moses was unknown to Armenian literature before the tenth century. The references to Moses and the use of information from his book can be found in the works by Movses Kaghankatvatsi,[18] Tovma Artsruni, John V the Historian and later medieval Armenian authors. According to Tovma Artsruni, Khorenatsi's History had the forth section which was finished between 470-490. However, so far there is no final verification of Artsruni's information.

The original manuscript of Movses' History of Armenia does not exist and so the oldest extant manuscript of his work comes from the 14th century, which was based on a revised version dating to the seventh or eighth centuries.[22] Beginning in the nineteenth century, as a part of a general trend in those years to critically reexamine the validity of classical sources, Movses' History was cast into doubt after the discovery of historical inconsistencies and anachronisms. The conclusions reached by Alfred von Gutschmid ushered in the hypercritical phase[23][24] of the study of Movses' work.

...scholars such as F. C. Conybeare, Manuk Abeghyan, and Stepan Malkhasyants rejected the conclusions of the scholars of the hypercritical school. Ethnographic and archaeological research during this time confirmed information which was found only in Movses' work and supported their view to move back the dating to the fifth century.[27] Despite these studies, these critical points were revived[28] in the second half of the twentieth century and many Western scholars continue to maintain the arguments raised by earlier scholars.

Robert W. Thomson, the former holder of the chair in Armenian Studies at Harvard University and the translator of several classical Armenian works, claimed that Movses used sources not available in Armenian at that time, and referred to persons and places attested only in the sixth or seventh centuries. He recapitulated as follows the historical clues scattered in the History, some of which were previously noted by various scholars and which in his opinion enable to reject the fifth century dating...

And the battle continues between believers and non-believers.

So, basically, there are no reliable sources behind this rather sad attempt to find a historical "Jesus".