Websites to order vitamins

Very reminiscent of the concept "this is what's -really- wrong with you, and we're the only ones with the right stuff to help". Saw it with "engrams" in Scientology...and no, there isn't any visible scientific data, it appears.
 
Puzzle said:
Thanks Legolas and Thor for relating your experience with the customs!


Legolas said:
The products you mentioned should be fine, as long as they are supplements and no medications (hormones for example are forbidden: like melatonin)

As it turned out, not even 5-htp and probiotics are allowed to be imported into my state from the US. :( I've sent them back, so I'll at least get refunded 80%.

But say, Legolas, where then do you get your melatonin, if you get any?

I'm sorry to hear that, that they even refused 5-htp.

So far I didn't buy any melatonin, cause it isn't allowed to order it from overseas.

But have a look here (I bookmarked it from a longer time ago research for supplements), it says this melatonin is made out of plants, but I'm not sure myself if this plant made melatonin has the same effect, so research would be recommended. :)

http://www.keymelatonin.de/melatonin.php
 
Laura said:
Very interesting. And what studies does this guy provide to back up his claims?

He mentions a few studies.....but does not link to them or explain them. So their is no context available to the reader.

_http://www.prlabs.net/PRL/TheQuantumNutrientEffect/tabid/80/Default.aspx

The Quantum Nutrient Effect

Using Quantum-State Nutrients
To Make a Quantum Leap to Great Health

The Cellular Resonance Effect

Exciting research over the last 15 years has shown that the outer membrane structure of every cell in your body is a unique,semi-crystalline matrix.

This means that every one of the trillion plus cells in your body has an ideal resonant frequency, much like a crystal glass that rings its own special note when struck.

The Harmonic Resonance Effect

The consequences of this stunning discovery of resonant frequencies is enormous. It is a secret key that unlocks the hidden door to why some ill people can quickly regain their health- and others can't. This discovery reveals why the ideal resonant frequency of each cell can regained by consuming nutrients that are also at their ideal resonant frequencies.

This dynamic interaction between the cell and the nutrient creates a highly beneficial, harmonic resonant effect in which the cell is able to ingest not only the nutritional factors but can also absorb the higher resonant frequencies embedded in the nutrient.

Falling Out of Cellular Harmony

In contrast, consuming nutrients that are synthetic or that have degraded resonant frequencies (from nutrients that have been poorly grown, pesticided, contaminated with chemical additives, etc.) will necessarily dampen your own cell’s resonant frequency and if consumed repeatedly, will result in a lowered frequency (meaning poorer vitality) of the cell.

No reference sources for the 'exciting research over the last 15 years'.

The "Seems Good But Isn't" Hypothesis

The irony of this situation is what we call the "Seems good but isn't" hypothesis. German research shows that consuming a synthetic or degraded nutrient may initially stimulate the cell's DNA and initially, produce an enhanced effect - so it "seems good."

However, their research showed that after initial stimulation, the DNA of the cell then deteriorated faster. So the initial effects of poor degraded nutrients (translated to feeling better, more vitality, etc.) were actually short-lived and encouraged more rapid aging of the DNA and consequently, of the cell. This is why we call it the "Seems Good But Isn't" hypothesis.

No references again, other than 'german research'.

A Shocking Study . . .

As reported in The Journal of the American Nutraceutical Association Winter, 1999

After testing 196 vitamin supplement products taken from "health food" stores, only 5 were found to be non-toxic and effective. That means 97.5% were toxic, ineffective, or both!

Your Job: Find the 2.5%!

This is one of the main crux's of 'his' products...that they are non-toxic and effective.....although he quotes a study that claims those tested (in 1999) where toxic, ineffective or both....this does not mean that his are!!!
Where's the study that shows his products are non-toxic and effective??

I actually found this one the journal he was referring too(no thanks to the website as it contains no links)!
_http://www.ana-jana.org/Journal/journals/JANAVol21.pdf

Firstly.....who is ANA?
FAQ
Q: What is ANA?
A: The American Nutraceutical Association was established in February 1997 with a straightforward mission: to develop and provide educational materials and program on nutraceuticals an nutrition for health care professionals, consumers and sales associates from nutraceutical companies. Since our modest beginning at a meeting hosted by the Office of Continuing Education at the Medical University of South Carolina’s College of Pharmacy, the ANA now has several thousand members in the United States and in over 10 foreign countries.

An ever-growing body of scientific research documents the substantial benefits that can be obtained from nutraceuticals. Since our founding, one of the ANA's most important goals has been to empower health care professionals, consumers, and those involved in the marketing of nutraceuticals with scientific information in order to make informed choices about preventative health care products.

The ANA is committed to providing guidance on nutraceuticals products that is based on good science, and not on marketing hype.

If you are not currently a member, I extend to you an invitation to join ANA. With your membership you will receive over $150 in educational materials, publications, video and audiotape programs. Initial professional membership is only $125 for USA, $120 for Canada, and $175 for other countries. Following initial membership, annual dues are $100 and provides you annually with over $100 in educational programs and publications on nutraceuticals, nutrition and disease prevention.

To join ANA online using a major credit card through our secure server, click join at the top of our home page, or phone our customer service department at 800-566-3622 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 800-566-3622 end_of_the_skype_highlighting from 8AM to 5PM, M-F, central time. If you would like to enroll by using a check, call today for a complete membership application kit.

Allen Montgomery, Pharmacist, Founder, CEO & Executive Director, American Nutraceutical Association, allenm(at)ana-jana.org

So what does the article from the pdf (page 25) say?
An In Vitro Screening Study of 196 Natural Products for Toxicity and Efficacy
Darryl See, MD,1*
Kira Gurnee, ND,2 Malena LeClair, ND3
1
University of California - Irvine, Irvine, California, 2Private Practice, Huntington Beach, California
3Private Practice, Santa Ana, California

ABSTRACT
Americans consume billions of dollars worth of natural products each year. However, the toxicities and potential drug interactions of commonly used dietary supplements have not been closely evaluated. Additionally, claims of immune system enhancement, broad-spectrum anti-micro-
bial activity and antioxidant action have not been sufficiently validated. To determine the potential for human cellular damage from the use of dietary supplements, toxicity in liver and peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC) was evaluated in vitro. The effect of dietary supplements
on cytochrome p450 system activity was tested because these liver enzymes are vital in the processing of many drugs, as well as normal substances. Therefore, any interference with this system by dietary supplements may lead to either elevated or diminished drug levels in the blood and may disrupt the metabolism of common substances.
Natural killer (NK) cells are important in fighting cancers, viruses and certain bacteria. Therefore, the potential enhancement of NK cells by dietary supplements was tested to predict potential protection from these harmful elements. Free-radical (oxidative) damage is responsible for poor cellular function and premature aging. Thus, the capacity of dietary supplements to reduce these destructive processes was determined by increases in intracellular glutathione (GSH) levels. Viruses cause numerous illnesses in humans, ranging from the common cold to AIDS.
Therefore, the potential antiviral activity of supplements was evaluated. Thus, the ideal supplements would be those that are non-toxic, cause no cytochrome p450 changes to any of the many enzymes in this system and are efficacious as defined by enhancement of NK function, antioxidant activity and protection against viruses. In this investigation, some dietary supplements had beneficial and some had detrimental effects. Only aloe, garlic and the three multiple-ingredient products containing glyconutrients were non-toxic, caused no cytochrome p450 activity and were effective in all three efficacy assays (NK cell enhancement, antioxidant activity and antiviral effect). Not all products that show potential in in vitro assays prove themselves clinically. However, the impressively positive results of these five products in this study have been and are being corroborated by clinical benefits in initial human studies.

So rather specific research about what constitutes an 'effective'/'toxic' supplement (in 1999, from a very small demographic).....and In Vitro no loss.
Supplements: The natural products evaluated were either donated or purchased from catalogs, health food stores, or Chinese herb stores.

So we are including Chinese herbs in the 'toxic'/'ineffective' conclusion......a very poor selection with very specific test criteria.....most odd.
I'm no scientist, but am I right in thinking this is a floored/biased test??

RESULTS
One hundred ninety-six (196) products distributed by 57 different companies were evaluated. One hundred thirty-four (134) solid, single-ingredient supplements, 54 solid, multiple-ingredient supplements and eight liquid preparations were studied. It is reconized that the dosage forms of these products may have inert ingredients such as binders and excipients. It is assumed that their contribution to any biological effect is insignificant. Overall, 97/196 (49.9%) of the products were toxic to PBMC and/or murine hepatocytes by 4-hour 51Cr-release assay at physiologic concentrations. For products with duplicates, only one brand, that containing the value farthest from zero, was used. Cytochrome p450 activity (isozymes 2E1 and 4A) was either inhibited or increased in 82/196 (42.5%) of the products. For efficacy parameters, intracellular glutathione levels were significantly increased in 46/196 (24%) by 4-minute monochlorobimane binding assay; NK cell activity was enhanced by >10% in 46/196 (24%) as assayed by 4-hour 51Cr-release assay subsequent to incubation of the product for 24 hours with the effector PBMC; and replication of coxsackievirus B4, strain E2, in MK cells was significantly reduced in 32/196 (17.4%) by plaque reduction assay. As expected, due to synergistic effects among the constituents, multiple-ingredient formulations had a comparatively high efficacy rate but were frequently toxic (44/54, 81.5%) and/or affected cytochrome p450 activity (40/54, 76%).
A list of the single-ingredient products is found in Appendix 1 and the composition of the multiple-ingredient products is in Appendix 2. More than 1/3 (50/134) of the single-ingredient preparations, 3/8 (37.5%) of the liquids, and 44/55 (81.5%) of the multiple-ingredient products were
toxic to PBMC and/or hepatocytes at the concentration range evaluated. Furthermore, 42/134 (31.4%) of the single-ingredient products and 40/54 (76%) of the multiple-ingredient products affected cytochrome p450, thus demonstrating potential drug interaction. Significant acti-
vation of GSH production was found in 23/134 (17%), 20/54 (38.9%), and 3/8 (37.5%) of single-ingredient, multiple-ingredient and liquid products, respectively.
Significant increase in NK cell activity was noted in 20/134 (15.7%) of single-ingredient, 3/8 (37.5%) of liquid, and 23/54 (63%) of multiple-ingredient products. Finally, antiviral activity was recorded in 18/134 (13.5%) of single ingredient, 2/8 (25%) of liquid, and 12/54 (22.2%) of mul-
tiple-ingredient products.
A summary of the six assays is presented in tabular form for those products that exhibited neither toxicity nor p450 activity but that had a positive effect in at least one efficacy parameter (Appendix 3). Products with toxicity and p450 effect but no efficacy are listed in Appendix 4.
Finally, products with toxicity and/or cytochrome p450 effect with or without efficacy or those without toxicity, p450 activity or efficacy are listed in Appendix 5.
Among all the products tested, only aloe, garlic, and multiple-ingredient products containing glyconutritionals (formulas 48, 49, and 51) were non-toxic, had no cytochrome p450 activity and had a significant impact on each of the three efficacy parameters studied. NK cell acti-
vation of formula 51 was nearly 50%, while the other four products had < 22% increase. Formula 48 had > 200% and formula 51 had > 100% increase in GSH, while the other three had < 40% increase. Finally, formula 51 had approximately 3 (log10) reduction in pfu, followed by garlic and
formula 48 with approximately 2 (log10) decrease, while aloe and formula 49 had < 1 (log10) reduction.
Of the 134 single-ingredient products tested, 30 were represented multiple times by various brands. The same single-ingredient product marketed by as many as four companies varied by > 300% in at least one efficacy assay.

Ok.....so the part I highlighted is only an assumption, but it is an assumption that goes totally contrary to what this guy is selling his products on. That they have none of these fillers and are superior because of it.
If my understanding is correct, this piece of research shows very little...if anything at all. It sure doesn't seem show that vitamins with fillers are toxic!

On to more claims by Bob from his website.....
Quantum-State

The only nutrients on earth truly capable of allowing the body to regain and sustain its ideal cellular resonance are those that were once living and were grown under ideal conditions, then harvested at peak potency and lastly, stored and packaged in a toxic-free, protective environment - in short, what we call "quantum state."

Unfortunately, with today's widespread pollution of the air, water and soil in the U.S., nutrients that have been grown at their ideal resonant frequencies are rare. In fact, in our independent research of over 5,000 sources of various nutrients, less than 1% of all nutrients (including plants, herbs, microflora, etc.) grown in the U.S. meet our criteria for achieving their ideal resonant frequencies.

Never mind the 'resonance frequencies'. Packaging herbs fresh keeps them more potent.
What independent research of over 500 sources? What is the criteria for 'achieving their ideal resonant frequencies'???
If he just said organic herbs packed the moment they where harvested, he'd do way better.

Are You Eating Toxic Excipients?

We recommend avoiding nutritional products that have toxic excipients (substances other than active nutritional ingredients), such as magnesium stearate, stearic acid, sodium benzoate, MSG (monosodium glutamate) called "natural flavors", FD & C dyes, silicon dioxide, etc. Get the best: vegetable capsules, not tablets made with glues, binders, heat and pressure, or gelatin capsules made from animal hooves and bones!

Well can't argue their (unless I refer him to the research above :rolleyes: ). So what do his vitamins contain in the way of ingredients?

Max Stress B Vitamin, 2oz Liquid

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1/2 teaspoon (2.5 ml)
Servings Per Container: about 24
Thiamin(VitaminB1, Thiamin Cocarboxylate) 1.7 mg 110%
Riboflavin (Vit B2 as Riboflavin-5-phosphate) 1.7mg 100%
Niacin (Vitamin B3 as niacinamide) 25 mg 125%
Vitamin b6 (Pyridoxal-5, pyriodoxamine-5, Phosphate) 2.6mg 130%
Folate (5-methyl, formyl tetrahydrofolate) 417 mcg 105%
Vitamin b12 (5 Deoxyadenosylcobalamin) 6mcg 100%
Biotin (D-biotin form) 338mcg 110%
CoEnzyme A (end-chaoin Vitamin B5) 2.6mg
PABA (para Aminobenzoic Acid) 12.5mg
Inositol (Inositol Hexanicotinate) 130mg

Proprietary Blend: ...........................2.5ml
Primary Sacchormyces Cerevisiae, Bifidobacterium Species (Breve ss.breve, infantis ss. Infantatis, longum), Enerococcus Species (faecalis TH10, faecium), Lactobacillus Species( acidophilus, bulgaricus, casei ss. Casei, Fermentum, helveticus ss. Jagurti, pantarum), Streptococcus, therm.
Other ingredients: purified water, Certified Organic Alcohol.

Quantum State-Nutrients Without the Risk
• No magnesium stearate, a toxic oil proven to suppress the immune system
• No animal glandulars, with toxic tag-alongs and animal death hormones
• No tablets, with toxic tag-along binders and fillers
• No excipients, highly questionable (often toxic) fillers and binders called excipients are commonly added to nutritional products
No Corn, milk, soy, salt, sugar, wheat, yeast, artificial colors, flavors, or preservatives, Store in a cool, dry place.

The Super Food Trio - The Whole Family Daily Nutrient System
Three Key Products for Super Health
Available as Super Food Trio - Kit A (all capsules) or Kit B (liquid, powder and capsules)

1. Quantum Coral Calcium is the best mineral source ever discovered. Its unique, highly ionized minerals help rapidly replete calcium, magnesium and trace minerals that regulate the ability of the cell to clear waste, absorb nutrients and hold an ideal pH. In turn, this allows the cell to live its longest and to prosper.
Recommended Use: Adults or children (age 4 & up): Take 3 capsules, 3 times daily. For special programs recommended by your practitioner, take up to 4 individual servings daily.
Ingredients: Proprietary Blend: Marine Coral Minerals (1585 mg per Vcap) that yield: Ionized Calcium; Ionized Magnesium, Whole and Fermented Mycelial Extracts of Chinese Coriolus versicolor, Hericium erinaceous and Wild Reishi (Ganoderma lucidum), Indian Noni (fruit, seed) (Morinda citrifolia), Stabilized Rice Bran (over 100 antioxidant activities)

2. Quantum Greens Mix is a premier, chemical-free source of every nutrient essential for life, with broad-spectrum antioxidant activities, vitamins, minerals, carotenoids, flavonoids and a vast array of living phytonutrients. It is the most biologically available delivery system yet devised. It gives unmatched protection for the skin, the eyes, the bones and every organ and gland.
Recommended Use: Adults or children (age 4 and up): Take 2 capsules, 3 times daily.
Ingredients: Proprietary Blend: South American Barley Grass (Hordeum leporium), South American Oat Grass (Avena sativa), South American Wheat Grass (Triticum aestivum), Wild Blue Green Algae (whole) (Aphanizomenon flos-aquae), Japanese Grade A Chlorella (whole; broken cell wall process) (C. pyrenoidosa), Ayurvedically grown Indian Noni (fruit, seed) (Morinda citrifolia)

3. Quantum EFA Oil Blend is a premier concentrated source of essential fatty acids with an ideal ratio of Omega 3, 6, and 9 oils with GLA (gamma linolenic acid). With today's poor food, we jokingly say, Americans need a good "oil change." Good fats, the essential fatty acids, are essential for life and good health. The good fats help balance all the bad fats you may have eaten, such as cheese pizza, fried food such as French fries or hydrogenated oils such as margarine, mayonnaise and commercial salad dressings.
Recommended Use: Adults or children (age 1 and up): Take 2 teaspoons daily. For special programs recommended by your practitioner, up to 3 individual servings may be taken daily.
Ingredients: Unrefined olive oil; unrefined flaxseed oil; unrefined English borage oil; unrefined sesame seed oil

The alcohol/fermented parts of the products are not a good idea. I have no idea what half the ingredients are, having never heard of them.
Interestingly, none of his ingredients are certified Organic (apart from the alcohol?).
Think about that for a moment.....his products could well be grown with pesticides. I wonder what 'resonance frequency' that creates?

More from Bobs website....
The "Body of Light"

Ground-breaking experiments by German bio-physicist Dr. Fritz-Alpert Popp of the University of Kaiserlautern and others have demonstrated a release of "light" emanates from healthy cells, which is not normally visible to the naked eye (except for intuitive individuals) but easily quantified by highly sophisticated German optical equipment. This radiant field or "body of light" around a molecule distinguishes living from non-living substances.
Another spelling mistake....Alpert not Albert.
On Biophotons

_http://www.nowpublic.com/health/bio-photons-detect-food-quality-and-health-body
Popp, along with Bernard Ruth, later developed a device to easily detect biophotons from both plants and animal cells. It is now being used to ascertain the quality of food. Interestingly enough, the healthiest food had the lowest biophoton emission. That’s because such emissions occur spontaneously when a system is in an excited state. The photons are released to electrically rebalance the system. All systems naturally seek a state of equilibrium. Popp and others also found that simple organisms emitted the most photons, and that complex organisms, such as humans, emitted the least. By the early 1980s, Popp was able to demonstrate that the helix configuration of DNA was the source for biophoton emission and absorption. He considered this to be the process behind bio-communication throughout the body.

Ok....I highlighted above in some of Bob's product ingredients in red Ionized Calcium; Ionized Magnesium. If something is ionized it is electrically imbalanced. According to biophotons, the light is caused by electrical rebalance. If Bob is using something to detect biophotons his products may indeed glow...
The above article suggests however that 'the healthiest food had the lowest biophoton emission.' So Bob's products are the least healthy??
I wonder what ionized elements do to your body?

Natural vs. Synthetic

After struggling to define natural vs. synthetic, we can now understand the difference between these two sources of nutrition. If natural-source nutrients are of quantum quality(i.e. exquisitely well grown and without toxic tagalongs), then the cell is able to absorb both physical nutrients as well as the nutrient’s resonant frequencies.
No research for this 'resonant frequency'.....having no toxic tag along is common sense. Where are his 'certified Organic' ingredients?

The cell can function at its optimal frequency and thus, live longer. In fact, the ONLY source that can allow the cell to achieve its ideal resonant frequency are natural-source, quantum quality nutrients.

Apparently the ONLY source that provides cells with its 'ideal resonant frequency' are 'natural-source, quantum quality nutrients'.
Apart from a grammatical error here.....what is he saying exactly? That no other source (than his product) provides this 'ideal resonant frequency' our cells need?

Today's Avalanche of Toxic, Ineffective "Junk"

A landmark study published in the Journal of the American Nutraceutical Association (JANA, winter, 1999) showed only 5 of 196 nutritional products randomly tested from health food stores proved to be both nontoxic and effective. The study found the other 191 products or about 97 1/2% to be either toxic, ineffective or both.

Using this random study, this translates to a shocking, estimated 2 1/2% of nutritional products available in the marketplace that are worth buying are able to meet a somewhat relaxed criteria of being both nontoxic and effective).

See above...

The Hopes and the Hypes

Many practitioners who use nutritional products may have experienced some initial benefits for themselves or their patients with certain products, only to find later, that these same products simply do not live up to the magnificent results so often quoted in the scientific literature.

So many become resigned to the "at least it’s better than nothing" attitude regarding nutritional products, never realizing that true, quantum-state nutrients are available in product form which have been proven to achieve the Quantum Nutrient Effect.
Proven to achieve the Quantum Nutrient Effect????

Many nutritional products manufactured today do NOT incorporate the discoveries regarding cellular resonance and the Quantum Nutrient Effect. Although the initial effect of taking these products might appear somewhat beneficial, over time as they continue to be used, they may actually impede the body’s overall health due to their ineffective nature and/or toxic tagalongs, unbeknownst to practitioner or patient.

Open Invitation

We invite you all to experience the benefits of truly synergistic "Quantum-State" nutrients which have been combined synergistically to sustain or rapidly restore ideal cellular resonance and initiate a quantum leap to great health.

The Quantum Nutrient Effect.

Experience the difference for yourself!

So in conclusion.....no research/references available from his site.
When I did dig up the research he referenced (that I could find) it seems to (ironically) counter indicate what he is claiming. Or so it seems?
 
Good job, RedFox. I cannot help but had to dig out this thread which perhaps applies to Bob's science. Here are a few lines:

A brief guide to Scientific literature said:
It has been long known......................I haven't bothered to check the references
It can be shown.................................Take my word for it
It is believed......................................I think
Of great practical importance..............This justifies my employment
Some samples were chosen for study...The others didn't make sense

...Find your 2,5%, right :mad:
 
Legolas said:
But have a look here (I bookmarked it from a longer time ago research for supplements), it says this melatonin is made out of plants, but I'm not sure myself if this plant made melatonin has the same effect, so research would be recommended. :)

http://www.keymelatonin.de/melatonin.php

Thanks Legolas, will be checking it out - and reporting back in case I decide to take it. :)
 
Wow, thanks to Laura and all on how you processed the Sheebah info. It really made me interested but uneasy to read her info, but I could not pin it down. :rolleyes: I learned a lot on how you did it.
 
I order my (mostly from NOW) supplements from this site:

_http://www.nutrio-shop.com

delivery charges:

Deutschland - €2,99 (free shipping starting from 60€)
Schweiz, Liechtenstein, Luxemburg, Österreich, Spanien, Italien, Frankreich - 6€
Schweden, Dänemark, Finnland - 8€
Übriges Ausland - 24€

minimum order quantity: 5 € (Below is a markup of 2€)
 
Hi there!

I want to share this info with you. There is a german website tith the above mentoied products.

http://www.bienenschwarmmm.de/catalog/index.php?cPath=62

Spirulina Organic Tablets 1kg=45 euro , powder 1 kg =50euro
Chlorella Organic Tablets 1kg=75 euro, 0.5kg=40 euro.

I get algae from them. I use 5g chlorella and 10g Spirulina per day. They got low prices beacuse they import directly without corespondents. The bee polen is also organic and from Hungary.
They got other good stuff like Guarana powder (who needs coffee anymore? ;)), acerola powder,propolis...

I asked per e-mail and they said that they ship to Europe except to Greece.

Hope this will help someone.

capt.picard
 
capt.picard said:
Hope this will help someone.

Yes, it does, thanks, capt.picard. I just checked their website and they check their products regularly for contaminates and on request, they also send the chemical analysis of their products.
 
Hello agin.

You are welcome Enaid.

Here is a shop where i get Magnesium Citrate:

link: http://www.magnesium-pur.de/Stage/pi3/index.html

Powder: 0.5 kg=16euro, 1kg=29euro, 2kg=55 euro, 4kg=100euro.

Thea are sending to Europe.
Shipment Costs :

Package weight Price
5kg 17,00 €
10kg 22,00 €
20kg 32,00 €

Citrate is a better form than carbonate and oxide. Its from citric acid (very sour). I think that this is the "Hammer" as the germans would say :D

capt.picard off
 
It's a good idea to collect german sources for inexpensive and high quality supplements.

This is also a good shop: _http://www.kraeuterhaus.de/

They sell for trade prices directly to their costumers.

For example, spirulina, 360 tablets for 8,95 €, 400 omega-3 capsules for 9 €, or a good vitamin supplement "A-Z-Kapseln" (150 capsules, 8,95 €).
 
capt.picard said:
Here is a shop where i get Magnesium Citrate:

link: _http://www.magnesium-pur.de/Stage/pi3/index.html

Yes, that's the place I also get my magnesium citrate from.

And for magnesium oil go here: _http://www.zentrum-der-gesundheit.de/magnesiumchlorid.html
(I take both citrate and transdermal.)

capt.picard said:
I think that this is the "Hammer" as the germans would say Grin

Lol.

Stranger said:
This is also a good shop: _http://www.kraeuterhaus.de/

Just checked the ingredients for spirulina: contains gelatine and there is no certification of it being free of toxins, especially mercury. Also, I couldn't find any place saying that it was organic; it seems, it's not even organic.
 
They send you certifications if you ask. No, it isn't organic. But if you can't afford much money it's maybe a good alternative and as long as it is toxine free it should be ok. Is gelatine a problem?
 
Hi,

me again.

I have noticed that its hard to get decent suplements in Germany, so here it is: suplements from Now Foods, Lamberts, Springfield, Pharma Nord, Vitness, Lucovit, Orthica and Centrum. They had also Solgar but now it seems they dont anymore.

I get probiotics , multimineral, vitamin e and stuff from Now Foods. I think they are a good Company with their hypoalergenic suplements.
Its not all free from magnesium stearate so check for yourself whatcha gonna buy.

Their page is a bit "ruff" but its managable. By that i mean you dont see the actual ingridients so you have to check on the website of the manufacturer. For germany the delivery cost is 6euro and they send you the goods and the check so you pay per bank transfer.

link: http://www.vitamine-outlet.de/index.php

With regards,

capt.picard
 
Stranger said:
It's a good idea to collect german sources for inexpensive and high quality supplements.

This is also a good shop: _http://www.kraeuterhaus.de/

They sell for trade prices directly to their costumers.

For example, spirulina, 360 tablets for 8,95 €, 400 omega-3 capsules for 9 €, or a good vitamin supplement "A-Z-Kapseln" (150 capsules, 8,95 €).

Regarding omega 3, it is also possible to get in a local pharmacy "cod liver oil", only there it is needed to look out for certain other things, but can't remember what it was exactly (Vitamin A or something along that line)

And the other links are very interesting! I like to check them out tomorrow.
 

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