Who will be moved to the fourth density?

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Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

That is because I have always had a feeling of being a "wanderer" and STO and for many years I have undergone a psychic attack which is becoming pretty difficult to stand these days. This might as well be my first incarnation at the third density as I may come from 5th or 6th density. Human customs and behaviour I perceive as strange and illogical, especially wars.

I can believe everything I want too, but eventually my life problems and others' won't end because of that.

Hi egzopolityka, i second the advice given by Jason:

I wonder if in this situation that the world is I could "check out"? A friend of mine has got an access to KCN, I do not mind at all using it.

If by KCN you mean potassium cyanide, and by checking out you mean committing suicide - No, that is not a good idea. Period.

Perhaps me sharing my experience will help. At one point relatively recently as i had already joined the forum, i was seriously considering suicide; i was even planning on the best ways to do it, whether to slit my wrists in the bath, take a whole bunch of pills, hang myself from any number of trees outside, etc.

Damn and I thought I was a bad case. I had this feelings but never planed anything :P

 

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Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

egzoploityka, I think that perhaps it would help you to understand the work of K. Dabrowsi on highly sensitive/gifted people. There are a couple of really good threads here on the forum:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,883.0.html

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,16959.msg311889.html#msg311889

Here is a good paper on Dabrowski and existential depression that you may find relevant also. I had my first existential depression in the third grade over the heaven and hell idea. :) I have had a ton more since then and more than a few dances with the suicidal notions. Understanding Dabrowski is a life saver, as it will help you to put these feelings into proper context.
http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/Articles_id_10554.aspx

When people undergo a great trauma or other unsettling event—they have lost a job or a loved one dies, for example—their understanding of themselves or of their place in the world often disintegrates, and they temporarily "fall apart," experiencing a type of depression referred to as existential depression.It's very hard to keep your spirits up. You've got to keep selling yourself a bill of goods, and some people are better at lying to themselves than others. If you face reality too much, it kills you. ~ Woody Allen

When people undergo a great trauma or other unsettling event—they have lost a job or a loved one dies, for example—their understanding of themselves or of their place in the world often disintegrates, and they temporarily "fall apart," experiencing a type of depression referred to as existential depression. Their ordeal highlights for them the transient nature of life and the lack of control that we have over so many events, and it raises questions about the meaning of our lives and our behaviors. For other people, the experience of existential depression seemingly arises spontaneously; it stems from their own perception of life, their thoughts about the world and their place in it, as well as the meaning of their life. While not universal, the experience of existential depression can challenge an individual’s very survival and represents both a great challenge and at the same time an opportunity—an opportunity to seize control over one's life and turn the experience into a positive life lesson—an experience leading to personality growth.

It has been my experience that gifted and talented persons are more likely than those who are less gifted to experience spontaneous existential depression as an outgrowth of their mental and emotional abilities and interactions with others. People who are bright are usually more intense, sensitive, and idealistic, and they can see the inconsistencies and absurdities in the values and behaviors of others (Webb, Gore, Amend, & DeVries, 2007). This kind of sensitive awareness and idealism makes them more likely to ask themselves difficult questions about the nature and purpose of their lives and the lives of those around them. They become keenly aware of their smallness in the larger picture of existence, and they feel helpless to fix the many problems that trouble them. As a result, they become depressed.

This spontaneous existential depression is also, I believe, typically associated with the disintegration experiences referred to by Dabrowski (Daniels & Piechowski, 2009; Mendaglio, 2008a). In Dabrowski's approach, individuals who “fall apart” must find some way to “put themselves back together again,” either by reintegrating at their previous state or demonstrating growth by reintegrating at a new and higher level of functioning. Sadly, sometimes the outcome of this process may lead to chronic breakdown and disintegration. Whether existential depression and its resulting disintegration become positive or whether they stay negative depends on many factors.

I will focus my discussion here on characteristics of people, especially the gifted, that may lead them to spontaneous existential depression, relate these to Dabrowski’s theory of positive disintegration, as well as to other psychological theories, and then discuss some specific ways to manage existential depression.

Background
A Polish psychiatrist and psychologist, Kazimierz Dabrowski worked and wrote prolifically about his ideas in the years from 1929 until his death in 1980, living part of his life in the United States and in Canada, as well as in Europe. Nonetheless, he remains largely unknown in North America, despite his many publications and even though he was friends with prominent psychologists such as Maslow and Mowrer. Although his theory of positive disintegration is highly relevant to understanding existential depression—as well as many other issues—I myself did not become aware of Dabrowski’s work until about 10 years ago.

But long before I knew about Dabrowski’s theory, I knew about and understood existential depression. In fact, I knew it on a personal level, for I have lived it. Like so many leaders in various fields, particularly those men and women who have a deep passion for a particular “cause”—whether connected to religion, government, healthcare, the environment, or education—I experienced it because I saw how the world was not the way I thought it should be or could be. There were several periods in my life during which I was so “down” that it was truly an effort to see any happiness around me. The result is that now, whenever I think about existential depression, it rekindles within me, bringing into conscious awareness thoughts and feelings that, most of the time, I would rather ignore or avoid—thoughts of hopelessness and despair for our world.

I have come to realize that once one becomes aware of and involved in thinking about the many existential issues, one cannot then go back to one's former life. As the saying goes, “Once you ring a bell, you cannot unring it.” Like so many others, I continue to strive to manage how these issues impact me, as well as the depression that often accompanies them. In truth, this low-grade and chronic depression is not necessarily a bad thing. After all, it reflects my underlying dissatisfaction with the way things are, with the way I am, and with the way the world is, and it leads me to continue striving to do better in order to give my life meaning and to help others find meaning. But I admit that sometimes I do envy people who have never experienced this kind of depression.

Dabrowski’s ideas have given me a helpful cognitive framework for understanding existential depression, as I am sure they have similarly helped others. And although my relatively recent discovery of Dabrowski’s theory of positive disintegration is new when compared with my understanding of other theories in psychology, those other theories are also useful and provide a foundation for comprehending existential depression. After all, existential issues are not new; existential thought appears in writings of many past centuries.

I first became aware of existential issues as a college freshman when I was assigned to room with a student who was older than I—in his mid thirties. Having been in the Navy, he was far more experienced with many different kinds of people and many different ways in which people choose to live their lives. He was a thoughtful agnostic. I, on the other hand, had grown up in the Deep South in an insular culture that had limited vision and rigid beliefs; my loving parents were traditionally religious and tried to live conforming, righteous, and conventional lives. My father, a dentist, made a good living, and we attended church on Sundays. Until my college experience, I thought that my family’s life was the way things were supposed to be; I thought that everyone should share those same values, behaviors, and world views.

My roommate, to whom I owe much gratitude, patiently listened as I tried to persuade him of the validity and righteousness of my limited views, after which he gently asked questions that required me to think in ways I had not considered before. He quietly pointed out the arbitrariness and meaninglessness of the many ways in which people, including me, lived their lives, as well as the inconsistencies and narcissistic grandiosity in many people’s beliefs. He introduced me to Voltaire’s Candideand to philosophers like Sartre, Nietzsche, and Kierkegaard. It was all quite a shock to me, because up to that point, I had thought I had the world pretty well figured out.

In my coursework I was also exposed to some of the well-known existential theologians—Paul Tillich (Protestant), Jacques Maritain (Catholic), Martin Buber (Jewish), James Pike (Protestant), and Alan Watts (Zen Buddhist)—all of whom were trying make sense of life from a religious viewpoint. As I studied and learned, I began to see for myself the hypocrisies and absurdities in the lives of so many people around me, including my parents and myself, and I became quite depressed. Fortunately, a kind and caring psychology professor allowed me to meet with him for several sessions to talk about my angst and disillusionment, or I might have imploded. Thanks to this professor, who in many ways saved my life, I slowly began the process of learning to manage my discontent and depression so that it could work for me rather than against me. I changed my major to psychology, and in graduate school, I learned that many others before me—certainly those who were introspective and thoughtful idealists—had grappled with similar existential issues and existential depression throughout the centuries.

While I was in graduate school, the humanistic psychologist Rollo May edited a book titled Existence: A new dimension in psychiatry and psychology (1967). This book highlighted an entire area within psychology that centered on existential issues. May became one of the most widely known spokespersons on existential psychology, and the book continues to be a classic. It was built on the writings of philosopher Martin Heidegger, who emphasized phenomenology—the phenomena of being aware of one’s own consciousness of the moment. Heidegger had written about Dasein, or “being there” in the moment with oneself and with how one perceives the world.

Other writers in May’s landmark book focused on the applications of existential awareness to psychoanalysis and psychotherapy, raising fundamental questions for therapists such as, “How do I know that I am seeing the patient as he really is, in his own reality, rather than merely a projection of our theories about him?” or “How can we know whether we are seeing the patient in his real world...which is for him unique, concrete, and different from our general theories of culture?” (May, 1967, pp. 3-4). Or, said another way, “…what is abstractly true, and what is existentially real for the given living person?” (p. 13). As therapists, we have never participated directly in the world of our patients, and yet we must find a way to exist in it with them if we are to have any chance of truly knowing them. We have experienced the world in our own way, with our own family and our own culture. In our attempts to understand others, we generalize from our own experiences and expect others to think, react, and be like us. How can we see the world as our clients see it?

Although many early existential psychologists and psychiatrists were neo-Freudians, they differed notably in focus from Freud. Instead of concentrating on a patient’s past, pioneers such as Otto Rank also focused on the “present time.” Karen Horney emphasized “cultural approaches” and “basic anxiety from feeling isolated and helpless.” And Harry Stack Sullivan highlighted the importance of one’s experiences in interpersonal relationships in the “here and now,” as well as what one has learned from one’s family environment. These neo-Freudians believed that only by considering the present and a person’s current experience could we understand that person. In actuality, they were building off of even earlier concepts from philosophers and theologians who had struggled with the meaning of existence, as well as with how one’s perceptions color one’s life—philosophers from as far back as Socrates in his dialogues and Saint Augustine in his analyses of the self.

Existential Issues and Giftedness

It is well-known that many famous artists and musicians have experienced existential depression (Goertzel, Goertzel, Goertzel, & Hanson, 2004; Piirto, 2004). Eminent persons who have suffered from this kind of depression include Ernest Hemingway, William Faulkner, Charles Dickens, Joseph Conrad, Samuel Clemens, Henry James, Herman Melville, Tennessee Williams, Virginia Woolf, Isak Dinesen, Sylvia Plath, Emily Dickinson, Edna St. Vincent Millay, Eleanor Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, and Dag Hammarskjöld. In fact, the famous 17th century gifted mathematician, physicist, and philosopher Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) fully captured the experience of existential awareness when he said, “When I consider the brief span of my life, swallowed up in the eternity before and behind it, the small space that I fill, or even see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces which I know not, and which know not me, I am afraid, and wonder to see myself here rather than there; for there is no reason why I should be here rather than there, nor rather now than then” (Pascal, 1946).

Yalom (1980), who is perhaps the most widely read current Western writer on existential psychotherapy, describes four primary issues of existence (or "ultimate concerns")—death, freedom, isolation, and meaninglessness. Death is an inevitable occurrence. Freedom, in an existential sense, refers to the absence of external structure—that is, humans do not enter a world that is inherently structured. We must give the world a structure, which we ourselves create. Thus, we have social customs and traditions, education, religion, governments, laws, etc. Isolation recognizes that no matter how close we become to another person, we will never completely know that person and no one can fundamentally come to know us; a gap always remains, and we are therefore still alone. The fourth primary issue, meaninglessness, stems from the first three. If we must die, if in our freedom we have to arbitrarily construct our own world, and if each of us is ultimately alone, then what absolute meaning does life have?

People are most often affected by existential issues as a result of their own experience of puzzlement from trying to understand themselves and the world, which then generates feelings of aloneness and existential depression. The people who worry over these issues are seldom those in the lower reaches of intelligence or even in the average range. In my experience, existential fretting, or for that matter rumination and existential depression are far more common among (though not exclusive to) more highly intelligent people—those who ponder, question, analyze, and reflect. This is not surprising since one must engage in substantial thought and reflection to even consider such notions. People who mindlessly engage in superficial day-to-day aspects of life—work, meals, home duties, and chores—do not tend to spend time thinking about these types of issues. Brighter individuals are usually more driven to search for universal rules or answers, and also to recognize injustices, inconsistencies, and hypocrisies.

Other characteristics of gifted children and adults also predispose them to existential distress. Because brighter people are able to envision the possibilities of how things might be, they tend to be idealists. However, they are simultaneously able to see that the world falls short of their ideals. Unfortunately, these visionaries also recognize that their ability to make changes in the world is very limited. Because they are intense, these gifted individuals—both children and adults—keenly feel the disappointment and frustration that occurs when their ideals are not reached. They notice duplicity, pretense, arbitrariness, insincerities, and absurdities in society and in the behaviors of those around them. They may question or challenge traditions, particularly those that seem meaningless or unfair. They may ask, for example, “Why are there such inflexible sex or age-role restrictions on people? Is there any justifiable reason why men and women ‘should’ act a certain way? Why do people engage in hypocritical behaviors in which they say one thing but then do the opposite? People say they are concerned with the environment, but their behaviors show otherwise. Why do people say things they really do not mean at all? They greet you with, ‘How are you?’ when they really don’t want you to tell them the details of how you are. Why are so many people so unthinking and uncaring in their dealings with others? And with our planet? Are others really concerned with improving the world, or is it simply all about selfishness? Why do people settle for mediocrity? People seem fundamentally selfish and tribal. How much difference can one person make? It all seems hopeless. The world is too far gone. Things get worse each day. As one person, I’ll never be able to make a difference.” These thoughts are common in gifted children and adults.

As early as first grade, some gifted children, particularly the more highly gifted ones, struggle with these types of existential issues and begin to feel estranged from their peers. When they try to share their existential thoughts and concerns with others, they are usually met with reactions ranging from puzzlement to hostility. The very fact of children raising such questions is a challenge to tradition and prompts others to withdraw from or reject them. The children soon discover that most other people do not share their concerns but instead are focused on more concrete issues and on fitting in with others' expectations. The result for these gifted youngsters is conflict, either within themselves or with those around them. But as George Bernard Shaw once said, “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”

As they get older, gifted children may find that even their families are not prepared to discuss and consider such weighty concerns. They “may have to search far and wide to find others who share their sometimes esoteric interests or even to find someone who laughs at their sometimes quirky jokes. This challenge follows young gifted adults into the workplace, where the entry-level positions that they find themselves in can result in their being lost in the crowd, unable to find others with whom they otherwise might feel a genuine sense of connectedness” (Fiedler, 2008, p. 170).
Although they want to relate to others, gifted individuals often encounter what Arthur Jensen (2004) has described as an intellectual “zone of tolerance”—that is, in order to have a long-lasting and meaningful relationship with another person, that person should be within about plus or minus 20 IQ points of one’s ability level. Outside of that zone, there will be differences in thinking speed and depth or span of interests, which will likely lead to impatience, dissatisfaction, frustration, and tension on the part of each participant.

Gifted children and adults are often surprised to realize that they are different. It is painful when others criticize them for being too idealistic, too serious, too sensitive, too intense, too impatient, or as having too weird a sense of humor. Gifted children, particularly as they enter adolescence, may feel very alone in an absurd, arbitrary, and meaningless world, which they feel powerless to change. They may feel that adults in charge are not worthy of the authority they hold. As one child described it, they feel “like abandoned aliens waiting for the mother ship to come and take them home” (Webb, Amend, Webb, Goerss, Beljan, & Olenchak, 2005, p. 136). This alienation creates social and emotional issues for them with their age peers, as well as with their teachers, which only adds to the possibility of depression.

When their intensity is combined with multi-potentiality—giftedness in several areas—these youngsters may also become frustrated with the existential limitations of space and time. Although they try to cram 27 hours worth of living into a 24-hour day, there simply isn’t enough time to develop all of the talents and interests that they may have. They have to make choices, but the choices among so many possibilities feel unfair because they seem arbitrary; there is no "ultimately right" choice. Choosing a college major or a vocation is difficult when one is trying to make a decision between passion and talent in areas as diverse as violin, genetics, theoretical mathematics, and international relations. How can one be all that one can be? In truth, one cannot be all that one “could” be in every area. This realization can be very frustrating.
The reaction of gifted youngsters (again with intensity) to these frustrations is often one of a righteous indignation—they feel, “It isn’t right!” or “It isn’t fair!” But they quickly discover that their anger is futile; they realize that it is ineffective when directed at "fate" or at other circumstances which they are not able to control. Anger that is powerless evolves quickly into depression. It is a type of “learned helplessness,” a phrase coined by psychologist Martin Seligman (1991). “I’m helpless; I can’t solve this.”

In such depression, people typically—and often desperately—try to discover some sense of meaning, some anchor point that they can grasp that will allow them to pull themselves out of the mire and muck of injustice or unfairness. Often, though, the more they try to struggle out of—or wallow in—their depression, the more they become acutely aware that their life is brief and ultimately finite, that they are alone and are only one very small organism in a very large world, and that there is a frightening freedom and responsibility regarding how one chooses to live one's life. They feel disillusioned, and they question life's meaning, often asking themselves, "Is this all there is to life? Isn’t there some ultimate and universal meaning? Does life only have meaning if I give it meaning? I am one small, insignificant organism alone in an absurd, arbitrary, and capricious world where my life can have little impact, and then I just die. Is this all there is?" Questions like this promote a sense of personal disintegration.
Such concerns are not surprising in thoughtful adults who are going through some sort of quarter-life or mid-life crisis. However, it is startling and alarming when these sorts of existential questions are foremost in the mind of a 10- or 12- or 15-year-old. Such existential depressions in children deserve careful attention, since they can be precursors to suicide.

Existential Issues and Dabrowski’s Theory

Dabrowski implied that gifted individuals are more likely to experience existential depression; several concepts within his theory of positive disintegration explain why gifted children and adults may be predisposed to this type of depression (Mendaglio, 2008b). Fundamentally, Dabrowski noted that persons with greater “developmental potential”—an inborn, constitutional endowment that includes a high level of reactivity of the central nervous system called overexcitability—have a greater awareness of the expanse of life and of different ways that people can live their lives, but this greater developmental potential also predisposes them to emotional and interpersonal crises. Persons with heightened overexcitabilities in one or more of the five areas that Dabrowski listed—intellectual, emotional, imaginational, psychomotor, and sensual—perceive reality in a different, more intense, multifaceted manner. They are likely to be more sensitive than others to issues in themselves and in the world around them and to react more intensely to those issues. To the extent that they have intellectual overexcitability, they are more likely to ponder and question. Their emotional overexcitability makes them more sensitive to issues of morality and fairness. Their imaginational overexcitability prompts them to envision how things might be. Overall, their overexcitabilities help them live multifaceted and nuanced lives, but these same overexcitabilities are also likely to make them more sensitive to existential issues.

Dabrowski also emphasized the role of socialization, which he called the “second factor,” as a key force influencing personal development, though the amount of a culture’s influence varies with each person’s inborn developmental potential. Nevertheless, the social environment often squelches autonomy, and “adjustment to a society that is itself ‘primitive and confused’ is adevelopmental [i.e., hinders development] and holds one back from discovering individual essence and from exercising choice in shaping and developing one’s self…” (Tillier, 2008, p. 108). Even so, when one becomes more aware of the scope and complexity of life and of one’s culture, one begins to experience self-doubt, anxiety, and depression; Dabrowski emphasized that all of these—as discomforting as they are—are necessary steps on the path toward heightened development. Thus, as one becomes more aware of “what ought to be” rather than just “what is,” he or she experiences increasing discomfort and disillusionment, often leading to a personal disintegration that, according to Dabrowski, is a necessary step before one can reintegrate at a higher level of acceptance and understanding—a new level representing growth.

Reintegration at a higher level is not a certainty, though. Whether or not one is in fact able to reintegrate depends on what Dabrowski called the “third factor”—an inner force, largely inborn, that impels people to become more self-determined and to control their behaviors by their inner belief/value matrix, rather than by societal conventions or even their own biological needs. This third factor allows people to live their lives consciously and deliberately, acting in accordance with their own personal values. The dynamic of the third factor drives people toward introspection, self-education, and self-development, and it allows them to reintegrate themselves at a higher level so that they can transcend their surroundings in a highly moral and altruistic fashion. Some individuals, however, may disintegrate and fail to reintegrate at a higher level, or they may stay at the same level as before. Of course it is desirable to reintegrate at the higher level.

Dabrowski’s descriptions of integration and disintegration are important but are also complex, so I will provide only the highlights of those that are particularly relevant to existential depression. In Dabrowski’s view, there are two types of integration—primary and secondary—and four types of disintegration—positive, negative, partial, and global.

Primary integration characterizes individuals who are largely under the influence of the first factor (biology) and the second factor (environment). These individuals experience the human life cycle and may become very successful in societal terms, but they are not fully developed human beings. Persons characterized by secondary integration are influenced primarily by the third factor; they are inner directed and values driven. As fully human, they live life autonomously, authentically, and altruistically. Biological drives are sublimated into higher modes of expression. Conformity and nonconformity to societal norms are principled. Movement from primary to secondary integration arises from positive disintegration. (Mendaglio, 2008b, p. 36)

Positive disintegration involves a two-step process. First, the lower primary integration—which involves little, if any, reflection—must be dissolved; subsequently, one must reintegrate to create a higher level of functioning (Dabrowski, 1970). During the first step of dissolution, individuals experience “…intense external and internal conflicts that generate intense negative emotions. Such experiencing may be initially triggered by developmental milestones, such as puberty, or crises, such as a painful divorce or a difficult career event or the death of a loved one. As a result, individuals become increasingly conscious of self and the world. They become more and more distressed as they perceive a discrepancy between the way the world ought to be and the way it is…”(Mendaglio, 2008b, p. 27). The way these persons view and structure the world is thrown into ambiguity and turmoil, along with the internal guidelines that they have thoughtlessly adopted from society to guide their daily behaviors. The external structure that they are steeped with becomes contradictory or meaningless when confronted with articulate, conscious individual experience.

Because people can only stand conflict and ambiguity for a relatively brief time, they will create a new mental organization as they attempt to reduce their anxiety and discomfort. However, this new mental schema may be only partially successful; these individuals may find themselves aware of inconsistencies and pretenses within their new way of thinking, though they may try desperately to convince themselves otherwise. They experience, then, only the dissolving part of the process—without reintegration at a higher level—leaving them with negative disintegration and the accompanying conflicts and negative emotions. Worse, they are unable to return to their previous unthinking way of being (“the rung bell”). Some individuals, usually those with substantial initial integration and limited potential to develop, will fall back and reintegrate at their previous level; others find themselves stuck in disintegration—a serious situation that Dabrowski said could lead to psychosis or suicide.

According to Dabrowski, some people are in fact able to complete both parts of the process—both disintegration and subsequent positive reintegration. They develop an acceptance of their self-awareness and self-direction in ways that allow them to select values that transcend the immediate culture and are from then on focused on more universal, humanistic, and altruistic values. They may select a new vocation in which they can use their altruistic vision or a new partner with whom they can share their important values. This higher-level mental organization allows more of a sense of personal contentment with a striving to continually improve, though these people will likely still experience episodes of disintegration, discomfort, and reintegration as their awareness continues to grow.

Other Psychological TheoristsThere are several other psychological theorists whose writings provide concepts that support and/or extend Dabrowski’s concepts, particularly as they relate to existential issues and depression. The psychologist George Kelley (1955) noted that humans do not enter a world that is inherently structured; we must give the world a structure that we ourselves create. Thus, we create psychological constructs, largely through language, to make sense out of our experiences of the world.Man looks at his world through transparent templets which he creates and then attempts to fit over the realities of which the world is composed. (pp. 8-9) Constructs are used for predictions of things to come, and the world keeps on rolling on and revealing these predictions to be either correct or misleading. This fact provides the basis for the revision of constructs and, eventually, of whole construct systems. (p. 14)

The Gestalt theorists, such as Fritz Perls, Ralph Hefferline, and Paul Goodman, emphasized two central ideas: (1) we all exist in an experiential present moment, which is embedded in webs of relationships; (2) thus, we can only know ourselves against the background of how we relate to other things—i.e., a figure-ground relationship (Perls, Hefferline, & Goodman, 1972). They also pointed out that humans have an inborn tendency to seek closure and, as a result, have little tolerance for ambiguity. Similarly, the little-known theorist Prescott Lecky (1969) hypothesized that humans are born with an instinctual drive to seek consistency as a way of making sense of the world around them, a notion that is similar to Leon Festinger’s (1957) observation that humans will strive arduously to reduce the uncomfortable psychological tension created by “cognitive dissonance” that arises if we have an inconsistency among our beliefs or behaviors.

The neo-Freudian Alfred Adler stated that people, in their attempt to gain mastery over their world, create “fictional finalisms”—invented concepts that cannot be proven, yet people organize their lives around them as though they are true (Hoffman, 1994). Since ultimate truth is beyond the capability of humans, we create partial truths about things that we cannot see, prove, nor disprove. Examples range from the lighthearted (e.g., Santa Claus) to serious sweeping philosophical statements (e.g., “We can control our own destiny” or “There is a heaven for the virtuous and a hell for sinners”). These fictional finalisms ameliorate our anxiety and help us feel more in control of our world. We prefer the comfort of dogmatic certainty to the chaos of questioning or of the insecurity and uncertainness of the unknown. As Freud noted, “All fantasies to fulfill illusions stem from anxieties” (1989, p. 16); these are attempts to feel in control of ourselves and the world around us.

The existentialist theologian Paul Tillich (1957) made a similar observation about humans, which prompted him to redefine God and religion. According to Tillich, God was whatever a person was most ultimately concerned with, and religion was composed of whatever behaviors that person engaged in to achieve that ultimate concern. In other words, a person’s God could be money, or religion, or power, or control, or fame—whatever a person created in order to try to organize his or her life.

All of these theorists would comfortably agree that people seek groups and partners who share their beliefs, which often leads to false but reassuring certainty. These groups might embrace religious or political causes, for example—all of which might be altruistic and benevolent, but yet all of which are likely to require a certain amount of conformity and fitting in at the expense of our individualism. Conformity can be comforting; being an individual, particularly if one is challenging traditions, is often uncomfortable. Dabrowski clearly believed that one cannot evolve into a fully developed and authentic person without developing an individualistic, unique, and conscious inner core of beliefs and values. He also understood that this road was arduous and fraught with discomfort and pain. One must first disintegrate before one can reintegrate at a higher level, and that the process of subsequent incremental disintegrations and reintegrations is likely to continue throughout one’s entire life.
A Journey into Existential DepressionMost of us have grown up in families with predictable behaviors and traditions. Family members are like planets in a solar system which have reached an equilibrium regarding how they interact with each other. The rules of interaction are reasonably clear, and family environment is predictable. It is in such families that we acquire expectations of ourselves and the world around us, and this is where we develop our values and beliefs of how things “should be.”

However, our families are not always places of perfect acceptance and happiness; children do things that displease their parents, and parents do not satisfy all of the desires of their children (nor should they, necessarily). When children’s feelings are hurt, they begin to withdraw into themselves and put up protective barriers. They are not as open as they once were; they are more evaluative and more cautious—all part of the process of becoming an individual, separate from parents and family.

As children grow, they become exposed to people outside of the family, and they discover that others do not share the same expectations, values, or behaviors. Questions arise. “Why? Which set of values and behaviors is better? Which is right? How shall I choose?” They see that some behaviors by others are entirely contradictory to the ways in which they themselves were raised.

The brighter that people are, the more likely they are to be aware of how their own belief/value system is inconsistent with that of others. They may also see inconsistencies within their own belief/value system—their values are out of sync with the way they feel! Tension and discomfort arises. They may experience an approach-avoidance conflict about such awareness. On the one hand, they want to become more aware of these inconsistencies and absurdities in order to be fair and consistent and to learn better ways of being, yet on the other hand, they want to avoid such awareness because it makes them uncomfortable and challenges them to examine themselves—not always a flattering activity—as they try to live a more thoughtful, consistent, and meaningful life. These individuals adopt one or a combination of basic coping styles first described by the neo-Freudian Karen Horney (1945): (1) moving toward—accepting society’s traditions; conforming; working the system to become successful, (2) moving away from—rejecting traditional society via withdrawal; being nontraditional and arcane, and (3) moving against—rebelliously rejecting society; being angry and openly nonconforming.

As these people gain more life experience, their perspectives shift. They recognize that Socrates was right when he said, “The unexamined life is not worth living.” Yet examining life can be discomforting. For many, certain life milestones are awakening experiences—for example, birthdays (turning 21, 30, 40, etc.) and anniversaries; school and college reunions; weddings and funerals; estate planning and making a will. People find that they want to change their way of living so that they are not simply playing out the roles that others expect of them, but it is difficult to give up old traditions and habits, as well as the connectedness that these customs and practices offer.

People find that whenever they challenge or violate a tradition, it makes others uncomfortable. We want people to be predictable, even if it means that they are behaving in illogical and nonsensical ways. Most people vacillate in their thinking and behaviors; they can see how they might be and how they actually are, but making a leap forward to change is difficult. They may also find themselves feeling angry because they feel powerless to make the changes that they see as needed.

As people grow older, the developmental challenges that they encounter make them progressively more aware of existential issues and increase the likelihood of existential depression. Erikson (1959), Levinson (1986), and Sheehy (1995, 2006) have described a series of adult life stages, each of which has developmental tasks associated with it. A blended summary of the relevant adult stages is as follows:

Age 18-24 “Pulling up roots” – Breaking away from home Age 25-35 “Trying 20s” – Establishing oneself as an adult; making career choices; coming to grips with marriage, children, society Age 35-45 “Deadline decade” – Authenticity crisis; realization that it is the halfway point in one’s life; re-evaluation of oneself and one’s relationships; making choices about pushing harder vs. withdrawing vs. changing one’s life Age 45-55 “Renewal or resignation” – Further redefinition of priorities; changing or renewing relationships; roles change; children leave home; parents age or die; physical changes in self; further realization of own mortality Age 55+ “Regeneration” – Acceptance/rebellion at prospect of retirement; friends/mentors die; evaluation of life’s work; new relationship with family; physical changes; self-acceptance or rejection

Although most people go through these stages during the ages listed above, it is my experience that gifted adults usually encounter these life stages earlier and more intensely than others. As they grope with these issues, they are likely to experience related problems involving marital rapport and communication, expectations and relationships with their children, dissatisfaction with co-workers, and discontent with themselves. In Dabrowski terms, they experience disintegration, with existential depression as a main component.

It is evident, then, that being bright does not necessarily mean that one will be content, happy, and successful—and certainly not during periods of disintegration. More than 30 years ago, psychologist May Seagoe (1974) composed a table in which she listed characteristic strengths of gifted children on one side, and then on the adjacent side, she listed possible challenges or problems that are likely to arise from those very strengths. Table 1 is a similar table for gifted adults.These strengths and associated difficulties lead most gifted adults to experience at least some existential conflicts that they struggle with throughout their life (Jacobsen, 2000; Streznewski, 1999). Four of these conflicts occur with particular frequency and serve as underpinnings for personal disintegration, creating significant anxiety and depression for the individuals who struggle with them. They are:

- Acceptance of others vs. disappointment and cynicism

• Acceptance of self vs. excessive self-criticism and depression

• Necessity of feelings vs. the efficiency of logic and rational approaches

• Finding personal meaning vs. tangible achievements

• To reach positive reintegration, one needs to reach some resolution, or at least a level of comfort, concerning ways to manage (not to satisfy) the issues listed in the bulleted items above.
  Learning to Manage Existential Issues and DepressionHow does one learn to manage existential issues? First, people must undertake to know themselves. Gifted adults commonly have the experience of being “out of sync” with others but not understanding how or why they are different. Jacobsen (2000) describes how people came to her in her clinical practice with a vague sense that they were different; others had told them repeatedly that they were “too-too”—that is, too serious, too intense, too complex, too emotional, etc. However, as these gifted adults came to understand that such behaviors were normal for people like themselves, their anxiety about it lessened.
  Along with knowing oneself, it is important to come to grips with three truths pointed out long ago by the philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer (2004). He emphasized the importance of knowing and developing ourselves, stating that: (1) what we have as material goods are temporary, transient, and not able to provide us with lasting comfort; (2) what we represent in the eyes of others is as ephemeral as material possessions, since the opinions of others may change at any time; besides, we can never know what others really think of us anyway; and (3) what we are is the only thing that truly matters. Polonius, in Shakespeare’s Hamlet, says, “This above all: to thine own self be true,/And it must follow, as the night the day,/Thou cans't not be false to any man.” Certainly, knowing oneself, including our weak areas, is important. Knowing our thought patterns is also important. As Yalom (2008) noted, “Inner equanimity stems from knowing that it is not things that disturb us, but our interpretations of things” (p. 113). What is our self-talk as we look at the world and at situations in our world?
  Next we should understand how we relate to others. Many years ago, Luft and Ingham (1955), recognizing that all of us have “blind spots” when it comes to how we see ourselves, developed a simple matrix which they called Johari’s Window as a tool to help people understand themselves, their blind spots, and their relationships with others. To use Johari’s window, a person is given a list of 55 adjectives and instructed to select five or six that describe his or her own personality. Peers of that person are then given the same list, and they each choose five or six adjectives that describe the subject. These adjectives are then put in the appropriate “window” below. The person discovers which of the adjectives match what others have listed, as well as which adjectives they listed that others did not. The results can be extremely helpful in gaining self-understanding, including how one is seen by others.It is not enough, though, to simply know oneself. We must also accept ourselves and find ways to nurture ourselves. Below are some guiding principles I have found to be helpful and have shared with others:
  Your life focus should be on principles and values rather than people.

• Developing yourself will likely require self-focus and probably some narcissism, but know that there is a difference between healthy narcissism and pathological narcissism.

• Your development will likely involve periods of disintegration and reintegration as you move toward increasingly positive disintegration.

• Your journey will probably make you and others around you uncomfortable.

• 
  When people experiencing disintegration know what they might expect, as in the list above, the experience itself is not so intimidating or frightening. There is hope that the individual will reintegrate in a positive way, though the experience will be uncomfortable for a time. In addition to this understanding, there are several coping strategies that can be helpful, as well as other behavioral styles that may appear helpful but really are not.
• 
  Coping Styles and Strategies
• Coping with an ongoing awareness of existential issues and the accompanying low-grade depression can be distressing, and few people can directly confront their existential depression for very long. As Yalom (2008) wrote, quoting François de La Rochefoucauld from the 1600s, “You cannot stare straight into the face of the sun, or death.” How do people try to manage these complex and often painful issues? Some coping styles are clearly less adaptive than others, especially when they involve narrowing of thought and high activity levels. Some frequent but not-so-effective styles are:
• Becoming narcissistic. Some individuals deal with painful issues in their life through narcissism. Their thought pattern is something like this: “I can protect myself (temporarily) from having to confront my own mortality by convincing myself of my own importance and that what I am doing is extremely important to the world.”

• Knowing the “truth.” Likewise, some individuals convince themselves that they are “right” and know the “truth.” Religions often facilitate such an attitude. Their thought pattern goes something like this: “If I can convince myself that I know the ‘truth’ about life and the universal meaning of existence, then I can gain comfort.” Often, this illusion is accompanied by an intolerance for others’ questions, beliefs, or style of living.

• Trying to control life, or at least label it. Another strategy is control. “Perhaps if I organize myself and my thinking in controlled, logic-tight compartments, then I can control life.” Labels help, because they give an illusion of control. If I have power over things around me, then I have power over my life and my destiny.

• Learning to not think. Still another pattern is to be non-thinking. “Sometimes it is simply less painful if I choose to just not think about things that matter, and certainly to avoid using critical thinking skills. I will selectively ignore areas of my life.” This allows blind spots to develop or exist.

• Learning to not care. I have known children and adults who have convinced themselves not to care; it is less painful that way. Unfortunately, many times this “numbing of the mind” is accomplished via alcohol, drugs, or other addictions.

• Keeping busy. Some individuals avoid facing difficult personal issues by keeping busy. Their inner voice tells them, “If I stay frantically busy in a hypomanic fashion, then I don’t have time to think about things, or about the meaning of my behaviors.” Sometimes these people are “trivial pursuers” in that they focus on possessing, creating, or developing minutiae or pleasant pastimes with little regard to whether their efforts are trivial or harmful. Others seem to have a compulsion to utter or to act to overcome their “horror vacui”—their fear of empty space or time, during which they might be forced to face their issues.

• Seeking novelty and adrenaline rushes. The psychologist Frank Farley (1991) has described a type “T” personality, in which the “T” stands for thrills through risk taking and seeking stimulation, excitement, and arousal. Some of these people may develop addictions—substance abuse, gambling, sexual addiction, and others. In some respects, type “T” behaviors are beneficial because, by pushing the limits of tradition, these individuals can promote creative behaviors. On the other hand, type “T” behaviors can easily become a substitute for authentic close relationships or for meaningful self-examination.

• Other coping styles are more adaptive. They help maintain a personal balance that increases the likelihood of successfully managing disintegrations and existential issues. These include:
• 
  Coming to know oneself. An individual must "separate the wheat from the chaff" when it comes to his or her values and perception of the world. One’s unique characteristics and personality must be recognized, valued, and accepted. External mores and externally based perceptions and understandings of the world—the chaff—must be winnowed from one's own—however flawed and undeveloped—sense of the world.

• Becoming involved in causes. People who get involved with causes are almost always idealists. “When I am in a cause with others, whether the cause is academic, political, social, or even a cult, I feel less alone.” Sometimes, though, existential issues lead individuals to bury themselves so intensively in causes that they neglect to look at themselves.

• Maintaining a sense of humor. It has been said that if you push a tragedy far enough, it becomes a comedy. The everyday tragedies that we experience in our lives can be burdensome, but through comedy, we get a sense of relief and perspective. While life’s absurdities can be frustrating and distressing, finding humor in them (oftentimes by imagining them pushed to extremes) can prompt a more pragmatic—and sometimes realistic—view of things. Being able to laugh at a situation is a valuable asset; being able to laugh at oneself is even more important. Thus, a sense of humor can ameliorate our feelings of hopelessness about existential issues.

• Touching and feeling connected. One potent way of breaking through the sense of existential isolation is through touch. In the same way that infants need to be held and touched, so do persons who are experiencing existential aloneness. Touch is a fundamental and instinctual aspect of existence, as evidenced by mother-infant bonding or "failure to thrive" syndrome. Often, I have "prescribed" daily hugs for youngsters suffering existential depression and have advised parents of reluctant teenagers to simply say, "I know you may not want a hug, but I need a hug, so come here and give me a hug." A hug, a touch on the arm, playful jostling, or even a "high five" can be very important to such a youngster because it establishes at least some physical, tangible connection. Hugging and touching is very important in all cultures. Regrettably, our society seems increasingly wary about people touching each other.

• Compartmentalizing. It is not so much events that disturb us, but our interpretations of those events—our “self-talk.” Intense negative self-talk about a situation or one’s life can easily spread into “all or none” or “always” or “never” thinking that results in stress spilling over into all areas of a person’s life—for example, “I’m never going to feel happiness again!” or “I always feel alone. I’m never going to find anyone I can relate to, and that’s catastrophic!” The extent to which individuals are miserable depends heavily on their self-talk and whether they can learn to compartmentalize or section off the stress and, at least temporarily, quarantine that area. Some people have found it helpful to visualize putting the stress inside a box or “Worry Jar,” then shutting the lid and placing it on a shelf until they are ready to look at those worries again (Webb, Gore, Amend, & DeVries, 2007). They simply plan to deal with the issue at a later time, or they set aside a designated “worry time” just for that issue. Just because people are upset in one area of their life does not mean that they should be miserable about everything. Too much compartmentalization, however, can also result in problems. Sometimes people wall off their feelings so thoroughly that they have difficulty being “present” in the here and now, or they may intellectualize the problem into a compartment but never actually deal with the issue or the self-talk that created it in the first place. Some individuals develop such tight compartments that they cannot see how their behaviors and beliefs are actually contradictory—for example, environmental concerns juxtaposed against admiration for a gas-guzzling vehicle.

• Letting go. People who are intense often try to impose their will on the world around them in virtually all areas yet find themselves unsatisfied or unhappy with the outcome. Some years ago, there was a popular movie, My Dinner with Andre (1981), which featured two friends sharing their life experiences over an evening meal at a restaurant. In the film, Gregory, a theater director from New York and the more talkative of the two, relates to Shawn his stories of dropping out of school, traveling around the world, and experiencing the variety of ways in which people live, including a monk who could balance his entire weight on his fingertips. Shawn, who has lived his life frantically meeting deadlines and achieving, listens avidly but questions the value of Gregory's seeming abandonment of the pragmatic aspects of life. There is no resolution, but the film raises the question of how much one needs to try to control life versus whether it is better to just let go and flow with life.

• Living in the present moment. Living in the present (Dasein) is to be aware of what is happening to you, what you are doing, and what you are feeling and thinking. You look at situations as they are, without coloring them with previous experiences. You are not influenced by fears, anger, desires, or attachments. Living in such a way makes it easier to deal with whatever you are doing at the present moment. People in disintegrative states often focus heavily on the past or on the future, which looks so bleak to them, rather than living in the present.

• Learning optimism and resiliency. Optimism significantly affects how people respond to adversity and difficulty. Although there is a genetic predisposition toward optimism or pessimism, and even toward depression, depression is greatly influenced by how an individual has learned to react to what happens in his or her life. Though people can do little about their genetics, their reaction to situations, including their self-talk, will determine their optimism and resiliency.

• Focusing on the continuity of generations. For some, focusing on the continuity of generations—children and grandchildren—is comforting; for others, it is disturbing because they see the world as being so full of difficulties that they worry over what their children will face. Nevertheless, age does bring perspective such that one no longer “sweats the small stuff.” And most people, as they get older, find that they have wisdom that they can share with younger people, which helps them feel connected with at least some of humanity. Some have even written an ethical will to pass their values, ideals, and life philosophy on to their children and grandchildren (Webb, Gore, DeVries, & McDaniel, 2004). Most people, as they enter their later life, find ways to resolve existential issues, including the thought of dying, and come to reach some sense of peace and contentment.

• Being aware of “rippling.” Recently, I sat with a friend who was dying of lung cancer, and we talked about rippling—how the influence of his life had rippled out widely to affect the live[/l][/l][/l][/l][/l][/l]

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  There is much more to the article, including some charts and exercises, and may be read better perhaps by clicking the above link in the beginning of my post. I couldnot get the whole thing to copy paste here very well.

 

[egzopolityka]

Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

Well, for several weeks I have been trying to give out leaflets about the world situation, the content of which I give below, and for several years I have been writing to various forums giving people some food for thought and there has always been little if any interest in the issues I wrote about. So I doubt if my further task here on the Earth could be of any help.

The leaflet:
Global Dictatorship
Why have people in power curtailed the development of the zero-point energy technology invented by Tesla over one hundred years ago?
On October 15, 2011 anti-government protests spread across the cities around the world. Only few people are fully aware of the true reason behind the protests. People in power have been curtailing the development of such technologies as the zero-point energy technology for decades. Only in the USA alone over 3000 patent applications have been dismissed. Many of these suppressed technologies are ahead of the official scientific theories by hundreds of years! If these technologies were made public, global poverty and unemployment would be entirely eliminated. All types of production would be so easy that everyone would work only two hours a day and still enjoy perfect living conditions. The remaining time people could spend relaxing and developing their interests. The main reason for this difficult situation lies in inadequate system of government and the fact that not all members of the communities decide to participate in social life which is necessary to control the government. Throughout the world only Switzerland has the system of direct democracy, which is definitely the best way to govern a country. However, even Swiss society has made a mistake and has agreed to extend too much powers to their Secret Service which later easily curtailed issuing patents and the development of advanced technologies. Unfortunately, a number of scientists are also corrupt and their academic lectures focus on technologies which have been outdated for decades now, such as the usage of coal and petroleum. There are also cases of threats against the professors who have decided to inform their students about the long existing advanced technologies such as zero-point energy technology.

 

[Buddy]

Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

The following is Mae-Wan Ho's summary of chapter 1 of Rainbow and the Worm. Do you know the relationship between a rainbow and a worm?

"Being alive is to be extremely sensitive to specific cues in the environment, to transduce and amplify minute signals into definite actions. Being alive is to achieve the long range coordination of astronomical numbers of submicroscopic, molecular reactions over macroscopic distances; it is to be able to summon energy at will and to engage in extremely rapid and efficient energy transduction."

I'm pretty sure that we know, in full, in part, or in some terms, what you're talking about. The task is to learn more about our reality; one aspect of which includes finding new ways to serve people's needs for information without using coercion and sulking. Wise as serpents, gentle as doves.

That one-trick pony ain't no silver bullet. And vice versa. What were you thinking? :D

 

[EmeraldHope]

Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

Well, for several weeks I have been trying to give out leaflets about the world situation, the content of which I give below, and for several years I have been writing to various forums giving people some food for thought and there has always been little if any interest in the issues I wrote about. So I doubt if my further task here on the Earth could be of any help.

If you read the article I posted above, and the other threads, you would notice that what you feel is common to an existential crisis. In short, there is no quick fix or easy answer.

There are, however, solutions, and ways in which one can help, although it may not be the way the ego wants to do things. There are many answers and clues here in this forum, especially in the work section. One is where one is, until the marble fits a bigger slot. Offing ones self is surely no way to get the marble in the bigger slot. :)

http://cassiopaea.com/archive/wiley6a.htm

Now frequency is used in a lot of meanings in our discourse. The C's referred to breadth of frequency envelope' as a criterion of 4D
harvestability, as in the marble having to be the right size for the slot. Now
this can be understood as a range of the perceptual tuner. We tend to
understand perception in a transactional sense, as some sort of exchange, or
collapse of the wave, anyway an interactive event with a potentially
significant observer influence. Adding phase and standing wave
characteristics as criteria for said perceptual transaction, we get to
understand how there can be effective occlusion between potential observer and
observed.

R** writes: Yes, especially when you take quantum detectors into consideration, which is not a part of regular quantum theory but is a part of the extended QT Ark is working on and which I am simulating. There, detectors are used to precisely pinpoint the location of a wave with regard to both location and velocity (but without breaking the Heisenberg uncertainty principle), and these detectors have a couple of parameters where consciousness could be inserted as "helping things" in wanted directions. If the phase of the wave is important for those detectors, then it becomes clear that things can occopy the same space/time without disturbing each other at all.

The question would then present itself, to what degree are these frequencies
and phases characteristics of soul evolution and purity of alignment and to
what degree are these configurable through the use of said device,
specifically as applies to detectability, remembering that a certain degree of
'resonance' is needed for the 'perceptual transaction'?
That is indeed one of the main questions of the abovementioned theory/hypothesis.

As for the 'natural or proper density of the being, it would appear that it is
determined by tuner range, since quite naturally the entity binds to / is
conscious / is interactive with frequencies in its range. On the other hand
some artificial adjustment within some bounds seems possible, as evidenced by
UFO phenomena.

Yes, as the C's mentioned during the last session, if two realms ("frequency resonance envelopes" as they said) are sufficiently similar/close, and the individuals frequency is capable of tuning into both, then a *quantum jump* is possible between the two. Note that if this is really how it works, then the "switch to 4D" is indeed going to be instantaneous, *but* it will also be possible to switch back and forth while the two realms are "near" each other. This back and forth thing could relate to the thousand year period that has been mentioned as acclimatization period.

These are all just ideas and thoughts for discussion, but it seems reasonable so far.

Further, we can think of resonance and standing waves as stable, even self
stabilizing,

From our simulations, it seems as though waves indeed stabilize themselves as they *bounce* against borders (no borders, no stabilization/phase shifting), but we're not yet sure whether it's just a numerical error artifact or whether it is actual.

as an 'automatic frequency control' (AFC) built into reality,
as Ark discusses in the Noah intro. This would provide a nice conceptual
framework for understanding the discrete nature of the density levels.

Indeed it is so. The notion of quantum jumps seems to be one of the keys, and the C's have indeed hinted in this direction more than once. We were just going through old session transcripts and things that didn't make sense at all in -98 suddenly make total sense in light of these new developments.

So
the TDARM could be thought of, in much simplified terms, to be a variable
oscillator that induces a phase/frequency change and manages the transition
between two stable patterns by some sort of feedback loop without breaking the
structure being transferred.

I see no problem with such an interpretation.

Now of course, the very notion of frequency as cycles per unit of time or
space may not be exactly right, just because it has time and space in its
definition but at least it gives a great handle for discussing the
phenomenology.

I agree, as the C's said last session "Remember the Benzene ring. Idea structure was seen first, then explication followed, when application was realized". We seem to be following the same pattern here.

Anyway, there's great food for thought in the recent breakthroughs.

Absolutely. And I just finished the second simulation, which instead of showing propagating waves simulates probabilities of states in particles, a sort of quantum fractals. Turns out that our old friend the Mandelbrot fractal seems to be hiding in there (as far as we can see anyway)... bizarre.. and beutiful!
R***

 

[Oxajil]

Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

Well, for several weeks I have been trying to give out leaflets about the world situation, the content of which I give below, and for several years I have been writing to various forums giving people some food for thought and there has always been little if any interest in the issues I wrote about. So I doubt if my further task here on the Earth could be of any help.

If you want to help, the best thing to do would be to not anticipate in the outcome. Who knows, maybe some people found those leaflets interesting? Also keep in mind that many people have made their own choices at some point, on some level, of where they want to be. Respecting people's free will is important.

And regarding debates on forums, usually you will find yourself in an endless loop with people debating back and forth on several subjects. This can be very tiring, as you might have experienced. However, discussing subjects with like-minded people as on this forum, who are interested in objectivity and not subjectivity, can actually be energizing and more worth the time. And actually be more helpful as well.

If you're interested in helping people, you might want to start helping yourself first, increasing your knowledge, stabilizing your home situation, making dietary changes, networking etc., eventually becoming an example for other people. If you can do that for yourself, it would already be a great gesture to the Universe. Then you could think about several ways to help the people here on this forum. Or others, by networking about how to help best. You can also help with the many projects as they're mentioned here on the forum, such as posting a review on the recommended books you've read, donating etc.

What I'm trying to say is, that you can be of great help, you just might have been trying to do so in the wrong way!
And it's true that not many people care about subjects that are so very important, I guess that's just the way it is. But would that mean that we should just give up? What would happen if we'd all do that? What kind of message would that give to the Universe? So as I see it, the best what we can do is just give what we can give; help ourselves, help the people who ask, in the right ways - and hope for the best.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

egzopolityka, you've been given very valuable feedback. If you read through the material suggested by Daenerys, you'll be able to have great insights and work toward productive coping mechanisms.

The paper on Existential Depression could be very helpful indeed. Many of us here on the forum have the characteristics of "gifted/sensitive" people and is probably the reason we ended up finding these resources here.

This excerpt from the above paper:

When their intensity is combined with multi-potentiality—giftedness in several areas—these youngsters may also become frustrated with the existential limitations of space and time. Although they try to cram 27 hours worth of living into a 24-hour day, there simply isn’t enough time to develop all of the talents and interests that they may have. They have to make choices, but the choices among so many possibilities feel unfair because they seem arbitrary; there is no "ultimately right" choice. Choosing a college major or a vocation is difficult when one is trying to make a decision between passion and talent in areas as diverse as violin, genetics, theoretical mathematics, and international relations. How can one be all that one can be? In truth, one cannot be all that one “could” be in every area. This realization can be very frustrating.
The reaction of gifted youngsters (again with intensity) to these frustrations is often one of a righteous indignation—they feel, “It isn’t right!” or “It isn’t fair!” But they quickly discover that their anger is futile; they realize that it is ineffective when directed at "fate" or at other circumstances which they are not able to control.

Was very relevant to what I went through in high school, college, and just after college graduation. I changed course in what I wanted to study and pursue as a career several times. I had disintegration experiences as a child, a teenager, and in my 20's -- the most intense one. In my 20's as I graduated college, I had such an intense disintegration experience, in combination of existential depression that it's hard to describe. It was the only time that I had a major depressive episode that lasted about 1 year -- with around 8 months of it being unbearably intense.

I contemplated suicide somewhat, but never in a concrete way of planning anything. I just wouldn't have minded "turning out the lights" or going to sleep one day and not waking up the next morning -- just dying in my sleep. Coming out of that experience was only possible by fumbling my way with some of the positive coping mechanisms mentioned in the paper. I've been struggling ever since to find myself in the overall scheme of things.

All these experiences are a major reason I ended up here on this forum -- I could say finally found my way home. Here, I've had the most amount of growing in my life from my interactions (and experiences of others on the forum). It really helps to leave behind the narcissistic coping mechanisms that no longer work and hold us back from further growth. It is possible to do with this network.

As was mentioned, checking out doesn't solve anything in terms of learning our lessons. If you are really struggling with suicidal thoughts, also as mentioned, it would be best to get some professional help. Then, once you've stabilized, you can decide if you want to take advantage of all the great resources here to continue on the path of learning and growing. It really helps to snap out of the focus of your own suffering and use conscious suffering for a greater good -- your own learning, growth and development, so that you can be of greater service to others. Good luck on your journey. :)


ADDED: Just saw Oxajil's post. Very good points -- especially not anticipating specific outcomes -- trying to get to a point where you do what's in you to do WITHOUT anticipation of any outcomes. FWIW.

 

[EmeraldHope]

Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

And of course, as Laura says, via the C's:

Life is religion.
Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the worlds will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the "past." People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the "Future."
Cassiopaeans, 28 September 2002

 

[Psalehesost]

Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

Well, for several weeks I have been trying to give out leaflets about the world situation, the content of which I give below, and for several years I have been writing to various forums giving people some food for thought and there has always been little if any interest in the issues I wrote about. So I doubt if my further task here on the Earth could be of any help.

[...]

There are those who will understand, and those - and there are many - who will not. If you see what's been written on SOTT and Cassiopaea over the years, it has helped some - some have understood the main points and begun to strive to see reality more as it is, and to improve themselves, and to live their lives accordingly - but there has been little change on a larger scale.

Yet, the SOTT team, and Laura et al, do not give up. Expecting to change things en masse, really reaching a great many people, is simply not realistic, simply doesn't work, but this really doesn't matter - people differ in their nature, and searching for and caring about truth is simply not for everyone - it is not what everyone "is", what everyone can or will do.

But what really matters is the people who are able to care. Such people can grow in knowledge and awareness and help each other. And in this process, where people learn and share with each other, you can find meaning.

Trying to influence those who do not care is like walking repeatedly into a brick wall; one gets nowhere. So in short, I don't think your "task" in this life is without meaning - I think you've simply mis-estimated it, trying to do what doesn't work, what cannot work, instead of focusing on what can and does work.

 

[EmeraldHope]

Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

I also think that you may get a lot out of this piece: http://veilofreality.wordpress.com/tag/cassiopaean-experiment/

It is a piece in regards to wanderers and the cass experiment. Quite a bit of info there, and I believe this particular blog is done by a forum member here. It is called "Wanders, Purpose, and Esoteric Work in this Time of Transition".

There is also a really good video, Love, Reality, and the Time of Transistion: http://veilofreality.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/love-reality-and-the-time-of-transition-video/


I hope all of these things help. As was mentioned earlier, if the crisis is severe, please do get some medical attention to stabilize it.

 

[Alada]

Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

Trying to influence those who do not care is like walking repeatedly into a brick wall; one gets nowhere. So in short, I don't think your "task" in this life is without meaning - I think you've simply mis-estimated it, trying to do what doesn't work, what cannot work, instead of focusing on what can and does work.

I agree, also who can define for sure what their given task is? Perhaps all we can do is work at what it is before us to do, with no expectation of any result, no anticipation. Have a loose plan of the direction we want to go in, but not get too hung up on what the results are, especially if we're trying to share information with an audience that is largely asleep.

Sure it can be disappointing to see the reality of it, but to be disappointed for oneself is to let anticipation rule us I think. It feeds into the point of view that the whole of reality needs 'fixing', that we know how it should be, and are just the person to do it! But, the Universe really does know what its doing, it doesn't require us to 'fix' anything - other than our broken machines perhaps.

So I agree with others here that perhaps the best way to contribute is to work on oneself first, get one's heath, energy levels in good order, work to increase your knowledge base. If we can do that, working without any expectation of outcome or 'reward' for oneself, then perhaps then we can contribute in ways that we can't even anticipate? Perhaps even graduate out of the 3-5 cycle rather than check out early only to repeat it, again?

 

[SeekinTruth]

Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

Yeah, the HARDEST part of this HARD Work is to get rid of anticipation. To get rid, as well, of everything related to anticipation, such as trying to "fix" the world or universe. Everything IS as it should be. Only we are not as we could be. And we should work on THAT, as it's the only possible thing we can really change, no matter how hard it may be -- at least it's possible.

Just getting to a point where we can consistently do what's in front of us to do, sends a message to the Universe. We don't need to anticipate what the Universe's response will be, because the Universe knows what it's doing MUCH more than we. It's enough to figure out what is the right thing to do in each situation and do it. It's also VERY difficult, so it should take all our efforts and energy to get there.

 

[Possibility of Being]

Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

Well, for several weeks I have been trying to give out leaflets about the world situation, the content of which I give below, and for several years I have been writing to various forums giving people some food for thought and there has always been little if any interest in the issues I wrote about. So I doubt if my further task here on the Earth could be of any help.

Are you saying that the fact nobody seems to listen to you upsets you more than the state of the world itself? And what if your "mission" here on the BBM is completely different from what you think it is?

There are those who will understand, and those - and there are many - who will not. If you see what's been written on SOTT and Cassiopaea over the years, it has helped some - some have understood the main points and begun to strive to see reality more as it is, and to improve themselves, and to live their lives accordingly - but there has been little change on a larger scale.

Yet, the SOTT team, and Laura et al, do not give up.

Mariusz, have you read this?

Depression as a Stepping Stone?

For some reason, depression has been on my mind recently...if not thoroughly imbuing it... or is it melancholy...

I awaken every day and head to the computer to check the headlines. It is also the last thing I do before getting to bed. I get to bed late enough to be able to check the headlines in the European news for the "next day".

I read what is going on. It sinks in, a bit more each day...the horror of it all. I remember Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now, "the Horror, the Horror..." surrounded by the dead. [...]

Well, we know the answer to that one unfortunately. This is their world, this is the world of the fallen or of the yet to rise. But talk about "falling" and "rising", and you'll get glazed eyes or jokes about Viagra....

The dead are not only in Iraq or Afghanistan, they are here, doing their Christmas shopping and filling their stockings with gas on their way home from the mall. "I see dead people."

I was discussing this with a friend last night, a friend who recently started therapy for his "depression". His therapist told him that "studies" have shown that it is people who are depressed who have the more realistic view of the world. Those who bounce along the highway of life feeling bright and cheery, according to these studies, live in little SUVs of happiness, protected by their refusal to think about things like war, famine, injustice, etc. They refuse to acknowledge the existence of these things, and so they are able to live happy and "normal" lives.... they don't even need to send Love and Light out to this stuff because it isn't even on the radar. [...]

Brave New World has arrived, but even intelligent and concerned people like my mother don't see it. [...]

Thinking about this made me wonder if "depression" and the chemical shift it creates in the brain might not be nature's way of telling us something is wrong OUT THERE and needs to be changed. This subsequent action to intervene in the world might be what reestablishes the balance of the chemicals in your system. But we know that we can't change "out there"...so what can we do?

Find the exit, work our way out, do everything in our power to get the hell out of here so that we don't end up as part of the next service of lizzie fare...another 309,000 years of the same old same old, blood, sweat and tears, torture, famine and rich, white people... Can you imagine doing this all over again and coming back here, to this moment [...]?

And the more you see it, the further disenfranchised you feel, the further removed from the walking dead, the more alone. [...]

I would suggest for you to read the above linked, and subsequent, post first and then go back and study the whole thread Depression As A Stepping Stone (to Soul Growth).

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Expecting to change things en masse, really reaching a great many people, is simply not realistic, simply doesn't work, but this really doesn't matter - people differ in their nature, and searching for and caring about truth is simply not for everyone - it is not what everyone "is", what everyone can or will do.

But what really matters is the people who are able to care. Such people can grow in knowledge and awareness and help each other. And in this process, where people learn and share with each other, you can find meaning.

Trying to influence those who do not care is like walking repeatedly into a brick wall; one gets nowhere. So in short, I don't think your "task" in this life is without meaning - I think you've simply mis-estimated it, trying to do what doesn't work, what cannot work, instead of focusing on what can and does work.
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Agreed.

 

[egzopolityka]

Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

I feel better now that you have helped me out with your encouraging words. Thank you.

Now, the “veil of forgetting” mentioned in the article
http://veilofreality.wordpress.com/2012/04/22/wanderers-purpose-and-esoteric-work-in-this-time-of-transition/
seems to me entirely illogical and unnecessary. When extraterrestrial beings come here in space ships (some of them live here for many years) they have full knowledge of the situation, and so should have the wanderers. Don't you agree?

 

[EmeraldHope]

Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

I feel better now that you have helped me out with your encouraging words. Thank you.

Now, the “veil of forgetting” mentioned in the article
http://veilofreality.wordpress.com/2012/04/22/wanderers-purpose-and-esoteric-work-in-this-time-of-transition/
seems to me entirely illogical and unnecessary. When extraterrestrial beings come here in space ships (some of them live here for many years) they have full knowledge of the situation, and so should have the wanderers. Don't you agree?

STO beings ( wanders if you will ) do things within the natural order of things. They have information encoded, and have to learn how to access it. STS has many more paths and tricks availabl;e to them. As the C's say- the good guys don't play "chess" If you have not read the wave , please do so. I think it would clarify a lot of things for you. The link was given to you earlier in this thread.