Who will be moved to the fourth density?

[bngenoh]

Re: Who will be moved to the forth density?

I would also suppose that, regardless of whether we naturally came 'up' to 3D from 2D, or 'chose' to come 'back' from 4D, (5D), 6D - it is still the same end result - here we are in 3D. We are here to learn lessons - maybe for the first time, or maybe we 'came back' to learn some more - it doesn't really matter, because here we are, and learning the lessons set out before us is all there is to do really. osit.

AWESOME Jason,

While pondering these past few days, that is exactly what I transubstantiated for myself. It has always been up to the individual to learn, thus progress, thus become.

p.s. egzopolityka, this may just be my subjective impression, but you sound much healthier than you were previously, the question is, are you?

 

[Cosmos]

I would like to come back to the initial Question "Who will be moved to the fourth density?" and share my views on it.

first off all the Question in itself feels kind of troubling to me to even be asked at the first place.
the aim of the seeker should not be to escape into a hypothetical 4 density realm.
this notion in itself is pure STS I think.
the aim is to serve the higher cause or good by becoming as objective as possible in order to be of better service to others.
my aim is to become human and not to escape to anywhere and if this means that I have to reincarnate into this world many more times before I learn my lessons, in order to be of better sevice of the higher good wich is somehow driving me, then I would like to choose this way by learning in this World and not to escape to somewhere else.

this recent comment from obyvatal fits in here I think:

There is a higher aim - something that starts beyond life as we know it - which drives a 4th Way school - not the personal desire to gain enlightenment. Personal transformation would happen through the practices - but it has to be understood as serving a cause in the larger context.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

We can't determine who will go because that would be a violation of free will.

We are the only one that can choose and if we do, there's nothing we can do to force it.

As the C's have pointed out, knowledge is the key. No matter is you are STS or STO oriented, knowledge and lessons are the key.

What we "have to do" seems to be gaining knowledge (karma basic understandings) and applying it to our lifes in regards to our orientation and beleifs.

In the Wave series, they have given numerous examples.

Hope it helps.

 

[ana]

I agree JayMark, and found this from the Cs:

Q: (L) I wanted to ask about something you mentioned last night; I haven't transcribed the tape, but you said something about being a 4th density candidate and I had not heard you use the term before. What is a 4th density candidate?
A: Self-explanatory.

Q: (L) How does one get to be a 4th density candidate?
A: Natural progression.

Q: (L) Is everyone on this planet a 4th density candidate?
A: No.

Q: (L) How many are there?
A: Open

Q: (L) This leads to a couple of our other questions. What is the criteria to be a 4th density candidate?
A: There is no criteria. A criteria implies a judgment system which implies that an individual or individuals are watching over the progress of other individuals. It is merely part of the natural process of learning, which you are in total control of from beginning to end, in one sense. In that sense, you choose to be in the environment you are in, which does not indicate any recommendation of the environment by any higher source, or, conversely, any condemnation of the environment by any higher source, but merely the existence of the environment and your choice to exist within it. Therefore, being a candidate merely means that you have chosen to be a candidate for ANY level of density, be it first, second, etc. It is a choice of the self to continue that learning pathway.

Q: (L) Okay, the question has arisen: at the time of the transition to 4th density, is there going to be any assistance to those who are newly arrived in that density, or does the knowledge of that density come automatically?
A: Neither. When one arrives in 4th density, it is one's choice to find one's way just as it is in the other densities. There is no one waiting there to assist you. That would be an illusion. It is you assisting yourself as you choose to do it, the way you choose to do it.

 

[egzopolityka]

Thank you for your concern. I feel better now.

My original question is not trivial. Suppose someone does not like it here and wants to be moved to a higher density. They learn about the wave. If we can not tell them what they should do to enhance their chances to be moved out of here, they will just tell:
"So why should I care at all about the Wave and the channelings? I will just live the same life I did before" and that person will make the same mistakes for thousands of years. In my opinion it is not fair. The rules should be known to everyone. It is the Creation task to distinguish if one is breaking the rules, that is if one behaves according to the rules but in the heart of hearts one does so only because one wants to be moved out of here. And the Creation has got ways to distinguish that, hence the rules should be known as I said before.

I can not remember if that "veil of forgetting" is only on the Earth in this density. That might matter a little. Anyway the Creation has decided that at least some civilisations should have that "veil of forgetting" at the third density which is not the case starting from the fourth density. Not remembering the truth can put severe difficulties in the way for human beings to advance their consciousnes, which does not make sense, does it?

 

[Deleted member 4320]

Hello egzopolityka,

I try to "smooth" some of your doubt. There is no "mistakes" due to individual soul's evolution, as you said. Each soul makes decisions accordingly to their Free Will and this is natural way to development of the soul in the Universe. And the same applies to "veils", as you said. Living in an environment that has its limitations and its unique conditions, which are not found in other dimensions, provide a unique opportunity to make up for certain lessons. And this is the natural path of soul development in this Universe.

Nothing lasts forever... better concentrate on the present and learn from this as possible, than whole this "matter", pass away.

 

[egzopolityka]

The problem is we do not have a free will. I can tell from my experience that if I had not become interested in UFO issue and had not read about crop circles I would not have started eventually to read about social issues and that last thing definitely made my soul more advanced. People can easily overlook UFO and crop circles issues and so not to get the chance to advance their souls.

 

[ana]

Thank you for your concern. I feel better now.

My original question is not trivial. Suppose someone does not like it here and wants to be moved to a higher density. They learn about the wave. If we can not tell them what they should do to enhance their chances to be moved out of here, they will just tell:
"So why should I care at all about the Wave and the channelings? I will just live the same life I did before" and that person will make the same mistakes for thousands of years. In my opinion it is not fair. The rules should be known to everyone. It is the Creation task to distinguish if one is breaking the rules, that is if one behaves according to the rules but in the heart of hearts one does so only because one wants to be moved out of here. And the Creation has got ways to distinguish that, hence the rules should be known as I said before.

It's not a question of escape egzopolityka, not about liking or not liking it, everyone is where their lessons are and it is only when the lessons are learned and one grows in knowledge and awareness that one is able to see and experience more.
This can't be hurried, the ego has his own plans and desires but what counts is the progression of the soul and it can't be fooled.

Maybe you can compare it whith the growth of a child, discovering itself and reality step by step, learning and growing in awareness step by step, being able to understand better and see more each time, certainly not all of them do so at the same rate, not all of them develop the same habilities to interact with reality, nor do all have the same understanding, there are no rules or ends to be meet for all of them because they are all unique. That's how the Universe works it is absolutelly open for all to see and what we see depends on our own progression.

I can not remember if that "veil of forgetting" is only on the Earth in this density. That might matter a little. Anyway the Creation has decided that at least some civilisations should have that "veil of forgetting" at the third density which is not the case starting from the fourth density. Not remembering the truth can put severe difficulties in the way for human beings to advance their consciousnes, which does not make sense, does it?

You are part of Creation, it is not something separate and controlling your steps, the fall is a "repeating syndrome" a natural function for the progression of the souls, chosen by the same souls, and souls too have the choice to learn and tear the veils as they learn their lessons. In this instance it is necessary to learn about STS and STO and this all is well explained in The Wave.

 

[ana]

The problem is we do not have a free will. I can tell from my experience that if I had not become interested in UFO issue and had not read about crop circles I would not have started eventually to read about social issues and that last thing definitely made my soul more advanced. People can easily overlook UFO and crop circles issues and so not to get the chance to advance their souls.

As you did others can do by these means or others, or not, and that's Free Will.

 

[Psalehesost]

The problem is we do not have a free will.

There is chance and accident, and interference as well. But if a person finds something, learns something (which may, at another level, have been planned) then free will enters - once you know, you have the choice of how to respond.

There is no certainty, but there is opportunity - and it is up to us what we make of it.

 

[Soluna]

Whether we choose to live comfortably with the wool pulled over our eyes - or choose to discover the nature of the wool is an aspect of our free will =)

Believing and taking for granted what we are taught in schools, or by our parents or 'betters', again is a choice of free will. 'Conditioning' is a choice on our part to conform to our society, to perhaps go against our gut instincts and morals, or to be very free with our morals or what we 'feel' may be 'right' or 'wrong'.

We may not all have access to our own little back yard chemistry sets! But we can choose to objectively study and read and learn about others discoveries - and draw our own conclusions and then pick those apart and learn from them! It's not easy, it's not comfortable - but it is rewarding.


I agree that it is very frustrating and sad to see so many of your loved ones, happily going about their lives with that 'veil' of wool over their eyes, happily believing what they read in the news, superficially tut-tutting over what they are told is bad and sad, empathising with the victims of a disaster one day - and then the next vegetating in front of the TV and 'enjoying' a disaster movie as the height of 'entertainment' and being comforted by the knowledge that it's 'just a movie' and will never happen to them!

Then it hurts to try and suggest alternatives to them, to try and show them other possibilities, only to be rebuffed or patted on the head and told not to let your imagination run away with you!

But then, those are the choices they have made. It's a hard journey to 'accept' that, but perhaps it's simply the case that they have more lessons to learn yet.

 

[anart]

Thank you for your concern. I feel better now.

My original question is not trivial. Suppose someone does not like it here and wants to be moved to a higher density. They learn about the wave. If we can not tell them what they should do to enhance their chances to be moved out of here, they will just tell:
"So why should I care at all about the Wave and the channelings? I will just live the same life I did before" and that person will make the same mistakes for thousands of years. In my opinion it is not fair.

Of course it's 'fair' - that is Free Will. You can't decide what other people's lessons should and should not be, nor how they should learn them.

 

[Nachtweide]

I would like to ask a question.
When two psychopaths have a child, that child can get strong psychopathic genes. Most likely it will choose the material path. Let's say that this man can never feel a really deep feeling sensitive because he is not able to. His free will in almost pure STS circulates only because he was already so genetically anchored at birth. I think this can not be for a 4th Determine density, as his free will is purely STS. He will not be able to recognize a different truth than their own. This person would be for me an unsolved karma. His karma is it in the 3rd Density to keep his soul fragment learned his lesson has. His path is then of the 3rd in the 5th Its density. Or?

 

[Eboard10]

I can not remember if that "veil of forgetting" is only on the Earth in this density. That might matter a little. Anyway the Creation has decided that at least some civilisations should have that "veil of forgetting" at the third density which is not the case starting from the fourth density. Not remembering the truth can put severe difficulties in the way for human beings to advance their consciousnes, which does not make sense, does it?

If we all remembered everything then this whole universe of learning would be pointless. The fact that we are shrouded by the veil of forgetfulness and that we may have limited access to "the truth" is part of the path we chose to follow at the time of the Fall. It is up to each individual soul to use the various incarnations as lessons to learn to "remember".

 

[mkrnhr]

Hello Nachtweide,
I think your question is not very clear. What do you mean of having a path in one density or another?
If a child is born to a psychopath couple, there is indeed a probability of the child being a psychopath. In that case he will participate to the 3D lessons of souled beings he will come in contact with.
However, there is also a probability for this child to have a souled being as well. In this case, a soul would have chosen to be incarnated within a psychopath family in order to learn how to overcome the parental imprinting and to express its own freewill differently. Such a situation can be one lesson among others, a soul would have chosen in the 3rd density to experience.